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Speaker 1: Or front page of the advertiser today carries a story

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Speaker 1: that I know a lot of you will be surprised

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Speaker 1: to hear about it, and you also might be surprised

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Speaker 1: to know your very own council will likely have a

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Speaker 1: very similar by law. But it seems in the Port

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Speaker 1: Adelaide Enfield council area letters are going out to residence

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Speaker 1: warning them if they leave their bins out, they will

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Speaker 1: face a three hundred and twelve dollars and fifty cent

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Speaker 1: expiation fee. So a fine a three hundred dollar fine

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Speaker 1: for leaving your bins out now cost of living crisis

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Speaker 1: in an area where people are especially put upon. I'd

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Speaker 1: say in Port Adelaide Enfield. A lot of people struggle

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Speaker 1: to make ends meet across the state, but that is

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Speaker 1: one of the harder areas the I suppose lower socioeconomic

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Speaker 1: areas of Adelaide, and there'd be a lot of people

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Speaker 1: paying a three hundred dollars fine for the bin being

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Speaker 1: left out too long. The guideline say that you can

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Speaker 1: be fined if the bins are out before four pm

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Speaker 1: the night before rubbish collection, so if you take it

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Speaker 1: out at midday four hours earlier, you could copy fine.

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Speaker 1: And if they're left out by midnight the day after

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Speaker 1: the collection, so thirty six or so hours later, the

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Speaker 1: bins are still out, you haven't gathered them in, well

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Speaker 1: you could be in for a fine. Some four people

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Speaker 1: have been fined in the last year, and let us

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Speaker 1: are going out to others. The mayor of Port adelaide

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Speaker 1: Enfield is clear bone and she is on the line now, mayor,

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning. I'll just correct you then ask you it's

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Speaker 2: actually been four in the last five years.

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Speaker 1: Five years, has it okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. We've actually sent out lots and lots of

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Speaker 2: warning letters. One of those people that actually ended up

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Speaker 2: being fined received four or five letters warning them beforehand.

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Speaker 2: So it's certainly not something that we've done back quickly.

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Speaker 2: And we're only really responding to residents when they're complaining

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Speaker 2: to us about their neighbors. We then have an obligation

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Speaker 2: to jump in and remind the people next door to them, Hey,

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Speaker 2: how about you put your bins back in so it

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Speaker 2: keeps the walkways clear.

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Speaker 1: So people getting letters are ones that you've received complaints about,

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Speaker 1: or is it ones that officers have noticed that other

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Speaker 2: Oh, no, these only happen when residents complain to us.

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Speaker 2: We certainly don't have the time or even the interest

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Speaker 2: plenty of people coming and telling us about them. So

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Speaker 2: when someone comes and lets us know that their residents, sorry,

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Speaker 2: their neighbor isn't putting their bins away, we'll send a

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Speaker 2: letter to them and let them know, Hey, make sure

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Speaker 2: you put your bins back in. But of course I

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Speaker 2: would have hoped that most people would have a relationship

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Speaker 2: that conversation themselves, But unfortunately it's not always a case,

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Speaker 2: so we need to step in and help them out.

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Speaker 1: How do you know who's been it is? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're just going on a neighbors say, so, how do

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Speaker 1: you know that's right?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we'll go on check and have a little look

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Speaker 2: act on. We don't just take someone's word for it.

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Speaker 2: We'll go and check make sure that that's actually the case,

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Speaker 2: and then if it is true to what's being said,

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Speaker 2: we'll send that letter out to them.

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Speaker 1: All right, So what you'd go by a number painted

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Speaker 1: on the bin, is that how you know? Because you know,

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Speaker 1: bins can be moved. People can hoone around with them

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Speaker 2: That's a good point, but I think we've been stretching

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Speaker 2: it pretty far there. But if that's the case, whoever

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Speaker 1: Build up areas where there are bins everywhere, and you

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Speaker 2: Up actually interesting you say that, because some of the

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Speaker 2: that's our job was to get out make sure people

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Speaker 2: end of it. And they know plenty of people say, oh, oh,

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Speaker 2: we don't have a good service. Our bins aren't getting collected,

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Speaker 2: and I was definitely reassured that we are working with

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Speaker 1: All Right, someone gets a fine for three hundred and

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Speaker 1: I just can't afford this. This is the difference between

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Speaker 2: We've got payment plans and all sorts. But that's also

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Speaker 2: why we give out the warning letters. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: actually expiated, and funnily enough, once they got that fine,

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Speaker 2: they didn't leave their bin out again. But we did

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Speaker 2: give them lots of warnings because we don't want to

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Speaker 2: be charging people. It's really this is not revenue raising,

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Speaker 2: as a lot of people say. It's really just reminding

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Speaker 2: cause a bit of a hazard. But look, if someone

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Speaker 2: four out of the five years that we've actually done this,

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Speaker 2: we will definitely have a payment plan set up for them,

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Speaker 2: so I'm sure it won't when anyone broke at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it does it cost more to administer this than

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Speaker 1: than much you're raising then four in five years?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, look absolutely, By the time we send out

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Speaker 2: all of the letters and we do all of that,

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Speaker 2: it's end up costing the council quite a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: But at dad job, this is you know, we're doomed

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Speaker 2: if we do and we're doomed if we don't. If

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Speaker 2: in place. And this is the case for all our

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Speaker 2: in a footpath. All of those things are our responsibility

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Speaker 2: to make sure that we follow up on and if

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Speaker 2: we follow through with that.

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Speaker 1: Is there a better way of doing this? I know

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Speaker 1: in the Adelaide CBD, for instance, you drive around some

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Speaker 1: of the city, and you see ben's left out all week.

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Speaker 1: They're just there because obviously small small house of small yards,

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Speaker 1: people don't have the space or the inclination to pull

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Speaker 1: them in. They're just left out there, used as a

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Speaker 1: sort of communal bin for anyone going by. And council

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Speaker 1: in the city, as I understand it, just goes around

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Speaker 1: this if it's still here in a day or two,

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Speaker 1: and they do. Is that? And then I suppose if

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Speaker 1: the resident wants it back, you've then charged them for it,

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Speaker 1: maybe because it's been left out. Is that a better

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Speaker 1: out bins and if someone complains, well, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: your bin back, but it'll be fifty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I think it'd be a lot more complaints

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Speaker 2: if that was a case. And actually that sounds like

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Speaker 2: But maybe that's what works best in the city council.

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Speaker 2: For us, that is certainly not something we'll be considering.

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Speaker 2: In fact, eighteen months ago we extended the time for

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Speaker 2: we recognize that sometimes this can be really constraining and

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Speaker 2: people go away for a period of time and you know,

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Speaker 2: if they workshift work, we want to be able to

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Speaker 2: give them the opportunity to bring their bins in. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big heavy handed, kind of heavy handed

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Speaker 2: Adelaide City Council, then albeit to them. But for us,

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Speaker 2: I think the system we've got in place seems to

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Speaker 2: four times in five years. That's pretty good stats. I'd say.

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Speaker 1: Okay, not heavy handed though, But isn't this really a

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Speaker 1: first world problem? If somebody leaves their bin out all week,

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Speaker 1: does it really matter?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess that depends on the neighbors around them. Certainly,

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Speaker 2: if my neighbor left their bin out, I'd start to think, oh,

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Speaker 2: what's happening here. I'll go and check and make sure

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Speaker 2: bring her bin in for us. So look, maybe it

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Speaker 2: is a first word problem, but for some people it

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Speaker 2: really does impact on their living and in lights view

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Speaker 2: and some of those tighter living conditions, it actually does

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Speaker 2: become quite a problem along those footpaths when bins are

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Speaker 2: it starts becoming quite a mess as well. So it's

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Speaker 2: really just an education program. Make sure you bring your

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Speaker 2: absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mere clear Bone Port adelaide Enfield, thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Matthew.

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Speaker 1: A little earlier this morning I caught up with Ross Womersley,

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Speaker 1: the CEO SA Council of Social Services and RUSS three

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Speaker 1: hundred and twelve for leaving you bin out at a

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Speaker 1: time when people are cash strapped. This smacks of council greed,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it certainly is going to be very costly for

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Speaker 3: any of those people in the council area that are

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Speaker 3: that are facing these fines. And we know that this

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Speaker 3: who are on low to moderate incomes and so for

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Speaker 1: It is. Indeed, are you aware of any other councils

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Speaker 1: doing this?

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't heard anything to that in Matthew, And

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Speaker 3: I suppose the thing that went through my mind as

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this this well, what is it that?

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Speaker 3: What is it that creates the circumstances that people don't

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Speaker 3: ring their bins in? And I started to postulate on

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Speaker 3: we been building properties that don't have proper and easy

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Speaker 3: you've actually had them out to get the rubbish collected.

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Speaker 3: And do we need to be thinking and should councils

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Speaker 3: be thinking very carefully about when they're approving properties for development,

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Speaker 3: and particularly multi story properties, multi tenanted properties, do they

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Speaker 3: need to be thinking very carefully about how rubbish gets

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Speaker 3: bored and the ease with which people can actually store

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Speaker 3: big bins and get them to and from collection points.

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Speaker 1: The city bins are left out all the time, probably

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Speaker 1: for that very reason. There's not a lot of room

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Speaker 1: okay with that, they kind of use as a communal

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Speaker 1: call the council to come and remove those bins because

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Speaker 1: they're unsightly. So I suppose it works both ways. But

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Speaker 1: size is a factor, isn't it, in terms of how

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Speaker 1: much room you have on your property to store things

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Speaker 1: like the multitude of bins councils give us to put

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Speaker 1: different things in.

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Speaker 3: They certainly do, And I suppose the other part of

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Speaker 3: this is just thinking. So if we're going to resort

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Speaker 3: to a fine as a mechanism for resolving or trying

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Speaker 3: to resolve these issues, we would be encouraging the council

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Speaker 3: to think about using an income based finding system, because

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Speaker 3: finds are a very blunt instrument, and if you're someone

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Speaker 3: who's actually very wealthy and you're getting a fine of

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Speaker 3: this size, it doesn't have the same impact that it

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Speaker 3: would if you're someone who for example, is unemployed at

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Speaker 3: the moment and reliant on the job seeker. A fine

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Speaker 3: of three hundred plus dollars is almost half of your

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Speaker 3: income for the week. Now for someone on a the

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars, of course, it's a lot less impact

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Speaker 3: for you. So we would be encouraging first and foremost

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Speaker 3: for the Council to really reconsider whether or not this

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Speaker 3: is a good way to encourage the behavior that they're

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Speaker 3: looking to me to deal with, and secondly to think

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Speaker 3: carefully about how they use the finding systems to drive

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Speaker 3: behavior and not over punish those people who having got

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Speaker 3: the least incomes coming into their households at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time this morning, Ross, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You're really welcome to Ross

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Speaker 1: Wellmersley from the Essay Council of Social Service