WEBVTT - Sharri | 23 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:07.720 Live on Sky News. This is Shari. Welcome to Shari 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.640 stee Price with you all this week. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:12.120 Now, of course, Parliament's back, as we've seen with the 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.080 first question time. I'll deal with how that went shortly. 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.759 Labor are definitely happy with themselves, aren't they, after that 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:20.759 big may win, as. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:21.239 They should be. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.440 I just hope they realize that the country they're actually 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.280 been put in charge of to run is not in 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:32.720 great shape. House prices, rents, You've even got rising unemployment now, 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:37.120 higher energy prices and a rundown defense force. There's a 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.319 hell of a lot of work to do. Labour's got 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.159 the numbers big time, but they've also got a massive 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:44.640 job to get the country back on track. Now. Coming 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.360 up on Shari Tonight intends to make today around Australia's 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.400 continued signing up to net zero emissions targets, with the 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.800 Nationals Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack calling for that binding 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.480 ambition to be dumped. I'll talk shortly with Barnaby Joyce 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.039 on Labor and the Hubris on Show today Labor veteran 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:08.200 Graham Richardson. I want to us rich O whether that's controllable. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.000 Rich O and Michael Kroger up in just one moment 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.600 plus the latest on that South Australian algae bloom disaster. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.840 I mean, the federal governed had to be dragged, kicking 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.800 and screaming to do anything about it. I'll find out 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.839 whether the rescue package actually is good enough. But first though, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.959 on the economic health of our country. Let's get serious. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.080 We have become a nation of leaners, not leaders, and 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.920 I hate to say that we have continued to swamp 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.360 the country with unprecedented numbers of migrants. We have workers 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.000 relying on governments for their pay packets grow, that grows 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.240 alarmingly and a report out today should surprise but not 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.200 shock anyone. The Center for Independent Studies has found that 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:53.920 more than half of Australian workers rely on one government 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.600 or another federal state, presumably for most of their income. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.440 I mean this is a combination of direct wages, government 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.480 benefits or direct subsidies. I mean half of people, half 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:10.959 the nation now. Economist Robert Carling has told Scott Today 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.119 that federal spending alone has now reached twenty seven point 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.680 six percent of GDP. How can that be sustainable? Ten 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.560 years ago it was high enough, it was twenty four 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.240 to twenty five, still way too high. And according to 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.800 that report, spending is driven largely by a small group 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:32.119 of programs including, surprise surprise, the NDIS, age Care, Medicare 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.600 and defense. NDIS is actually costing taxpayers more than what 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.200 we spend on defense. How crazy is that this year 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.240 alone fifty two billion dollars on the ndis simply not 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.240 sustainable and does anyone in their right mind believe labor 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.320 is seriously going to rain those figures? In defense spending 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.720 is fifty one billion and should be more. Simply put, 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.520 we are spending like a bunch of drunken sailors, and 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.440 there seems no willingness in Canberra or in need in 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.680 the states like Victoria to run it in. Indeed, it seems 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.000 the answer labor has is to not stop spending, but 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.800 surprise surprise, to raise taxes. Now, the Roundtable in August 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.040 hosted by Jim Charmers, will I predict nothing to increase productivity, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.560 but is more likely to already have a raft of 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.320 tax increases designed by Treasury and ready to be wheeled out. Now, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.120 think about that a labor government three months in with 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.720 three years and almost certainly six years to go. Given 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.280 their majority, will be sorely tempted to wheel out the 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.880 bad news early on. Government's always do that. I mean, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.960 when you get elected, get out the bad news before 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.400 you get close to an election. Australians with superinvestments, real 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:48.000 estate investments and the like, that will be likely the 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.200 targets evenly. Treasury briefings talk about finding quote, additional revenue. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.960 I mean that's not code. That's a direct and pointed 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.040 suggestion that your taxes must go up. 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:00.760 At the end of question. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.520 Time, one labor leader in the House, Tony Burke, wrap 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.840 things up bragging about how labor will spend your money today. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.600 Because the government is labor. We have started the pathway 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.640 for twenty percent off student debt. We will go on 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.120 with legislation to make sure that penalty rates for workers 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:25.760 are guaranteed. That will happen because the government is labor. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.479 We will continue to have tax cuts for every taxpayer 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:34.080 because the government is labor. There'll be more free GP 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:39.479 visits because the government is labor. They'll be even cheaper medicines. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.640 Because the government is labor. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.479 Doesn't sound much like spending cuts to me, and I 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.800 don't think it would to you either. And of course 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.600 the Minister in Charge of Climate Change, Chris Bowen, well, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.440 he couldn't resist continuing his crazy Uncle act that we 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:55.880 saw in the last parliament. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.320 The new dream Team, the dream couple, the Member of 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.880 New England, Member A Riverina out there this morning backing 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.679 each other in the Memaphi Riverina said on the Kieren 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.880 Gilbert Show, where Virilam, we're out there, he said, a 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:11.840 Member for New England and a Member of Riverina. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.839 Now this is not his Tinder profile. This is his 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.360 dream ticket. This is his dream ticket. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.200 He's not looking to swipe right, He's looking to swipe 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:19.960 out the Member for. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.760 Maroanomas as beggars what he's trying to do. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.680 But they're trying. They're trying to betray the. 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.240 Member for Maranoa. But what they're really doing is betraying people, 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.720 a rule and regional Australia. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.200 As I said, the crazy Uncle. Now one thing that 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.040 did stand out for me and I'll get rich O 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.279 and Michael's opinion on this in a moment, the number 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.520 of times the Prime Minister in question time addressed his 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:44.360 own side, looking backwards off Mike rather than eyeballing the opposition, 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:49.640 giving a signal I believe that he doesn't really rate them. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:56.640 Australia participates in exercises in the South China Sea in 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:01.000 the region in a consistent way, not just Australia, and 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.520 at the same time, of course our Talisman Saber exercises 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.960 were occurring, but we regularly participate, not just as a 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.640 nation state, but we've participated as well with our ally 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.159 in the United States. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.839 Talking to his own front bench. Now for the opposition, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.440 I'll tell you what it's going to be a long 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.760 three possibly six years. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.080 Let's get straight into it. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.279 Tonight's panel joins me, Joining me former Victorian Liberal Party 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.680 president Michael Kroger and former Labor Senator Graham Richardson. Rich O, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.720 first to you, how hard is it going to be 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.520 for Anthony Albanezi the PM, to wrangle that huge caucus 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.640 and stomp on any hubris that might emerge. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.719 Probably not as hard as you think, because he's earned 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:57.760 that huge majority and that gives him enormous respect. So 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.800 I think, you know, think the corpus will want to 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.760 try and do the right thing, want to try and 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.800 be as unified as possible. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.720 Michael, what did you make of the opposition's first up 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.400 effort today? I mean, I was very surprised at where 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.480 they took question time concentrating on superannuation. There's so much 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.360 more low hanging fruit that they could have used, I 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.440 think more effectively. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.960 Yeah, I'm not sorry sure about that, Steve. Look, Australia 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:32.360 has a very serious financial problem, which is that the 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.800 gross federal government debt is going to increase about nine 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.160 hundred billion when Albanesi came to office and by the 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.360 time the next election will be one point two trillion. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.640 So debt will increase in this country three hundred billion 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.920 dollars over the life of these two parliaments. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.360 What does that mean. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.040 Well, he can't cut expenditure, we know that, he can't deregulate, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.000 we know that, so he's going to have to increase taxes. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.520 So Susan Lee, concentrating on taxes I thought was the 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:06.880 appropriate thing to do because you can't sustain these massive 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.240 increase increases in government debt that we're seeing. So the 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.000 next three years is going to be an arguing about 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.000 government's spending and debt and the financial bizaster that this 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.360 mob we're going to leave us with, I mean, cheering 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.560 each other on that they cut student debt today, great 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.720 well it cost sixteen billion. Who's paying for that? 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.840 Well, we are, of course rich. Are you been there? 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.160 I mean, what happens when you get elected as a 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.240 new government and one of a thumping majority like our 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.400 Albaneze has got you wheel out any bad news that 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.360 you might be intending to deliver over the next three 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.280 years as soon as you can, don'd you? And so 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.680 Michael's argument that we're going to get tax increases, do 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.640 you agree that's probably the road we're going to go down. 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.600 I hope it's not, but I can't rule it out. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.800 You know, tax increases sometimes are very hard for governments 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.480 to resist, and you know, I can imagine that it's 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.800 possible in this environment for that to occur. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.320 Michael the country's third largest superannuation fund talking about super 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.640 host Plus. They're not happy with Labour, saying there's not 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.520 been adequate consultation for this super tax plan. Host Plus 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:24.000 says that the unrealized gains tax needs to be reconsidered. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:26.840 I've got a weird theory on this year. Think that 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.920 it is possible that someone got into the ear of 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.200 someone on the host plus board and said, when you 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.800 get this back on the agenda and argue about it 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.360 and give us some cover and we might actually start 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.120 thinking about whether we drop this unrealized profits part of 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:41.600 the tax. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.599 That might have happened, But they don't show any inclination 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.280 to drop it. See, if they took that policy to 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.680 the election, it was out there for everybody to see. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.760 And because Jim Chalmers convinced people that it didn't really 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.719 affect anybody in this country apart from, you know, a 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:01.439 few very wealthy people, they proceeded with it. No one noticed, 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.280 and Labour got a hefty swing to them, so it 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.520 wasn't unpopular in the electorate. What will be unpopular is 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:12.200 when they expand unrealized capital gains taxes or get rid 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.160 of the capital gains tax discount, et cetera, or bring 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:19.160 in inheritance taxes, or bringing with the compliance of the 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.720 states that increase in the GST. I mean tax is 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.640 going to have to increase in this country. We're going 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.720 to be an economic basket case. If they don't increase taxes. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.920 That's the only way. That's the only labor way. They've 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.200 done in Victoria with disastrous consequences. But if you can't 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.840 cut spending and you can't deregulate to increase growth GDP growth. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:38.600 You're anger left with one option. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.439 The other option is you just sit there like a 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:46.080 vegetable and see debt in this country go to unpalatable 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.200 levels as we're seeing in America. I mean debt in 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.719 America now because of these recent changes, are going from 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.840 thirty six to thirty nine trillion. Kirstarmer just tried to 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.120 cut debt in government expenditure, therefore debt in Britain and 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:02.319 got a whack over the head. Labor governments can't cut 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.120 a debt conservative governments. If you called from a conservative, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:07.360 you're happy to increase debt. 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:08.280 This is a. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.320 Worldwide Western society problem that no one seems to be 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.200 able to address. But sooner or later, as we say, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.319 the economic reality stick will hit these governments with disasters consequences. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.800 Graham I mentioned NDS and the figure of fifty one billion. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.240 We're now spending more on the disability insurance scheme than 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:30.319 we are on defense. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.719 It's very difficult to. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:37.480 Rain that in because you are immediately targeted as someone 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.719 who doesn't care about the disabled. But that's not sustainable, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.120 is it? Fifty one billion? 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.440 I wouldn't have thought. So something will have to be 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.720 done about that. It's a matter of what goes against 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:59.000 Labour's grain, and we're not champions at cutting debt. I 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.640 have to concede, but we're at a time we need to. 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:06.480 That's a polite way to put it. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.200 Michael, you and I living in Victoria, I can't believe 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.280 this crime crisis. I mean we've talked about it over 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.960 and over and over again. This government has absolutely let 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.880 crime get out of control. We've had a bloke threatened 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.480 with a knife during a violent kidnapping in Melbourne. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:24.400 That was last night. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.079 At the weekend, a bloke in a shopping center had 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.160 his phone stolen and his hand cut off. Nine petrol 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.560 stations and grocery stores were targeted. I went to my 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.960 local liquor land yesterday. The young bloke working in there 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.280 has got the door locked. When he opened it up 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:40.760 and I went in to buy a bottle of whiskey, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.480 he said, well, I have to have the door lock 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.760 because we've been robbed thirty times in this week alone. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.440 I mean, how long are we going to let this 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.319 be out of control? 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.079 Well, let's hope that in Novema next year we can 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.600 pump the airline government. I mean, crimes out of Victoria's 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.720 basically a law of state. To honest, I mean, we 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.760 have synagogue's fire bond here, we have tobacco shops fire 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.920 bond every every week or so. We've got these illegal 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.480 tobacco sales everywhere, and we've got Middle Eastern crime, gangs, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.280 youth crime, bail problems. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.840 Victoria is basically laws and it's bankrupt. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.480 So you know, if you worry about the federal bit, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.880 the gross dead in Victoria, by the way, in a 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.839 few years time is going to be three hundred billion. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.520 That's just in Victoria. I mean, just just ciner Allen 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.520 has bankrupted Victoria. What's the consequence of that. Well, sooner 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.840 or later, the labor governments they started to sack public 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.360 servants here because they've got no money in the bankrupt 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.199 Sooner or later they're going to have to cut back 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.040 on schools and hospital funding here because there's no there's 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.600 no other there's no other choice. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:47.520 I mean, you. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.120 Can't, you can't let spending grow out of control to 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.000 the extent that it has, so no, you know, as 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.600 well as Victoria is a total baster case, crime is 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.480 just one of the very serious problems we've got in 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.959 the state. Anti sembinism is out of control in the state, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:00.800 et cetera, et cetera. 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:04.840 Graham, As you know, I lived in Sydney for a 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.960 long time. The situation up there doesn't appear to be 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.040 as bad as what it is in Melbourne. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.280 Is that how you see it? 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:12.720 Yeah? 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:13.840 I think that's probably right. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.520 But of course you know Sydney is a superior city 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.360 and so you'd have to expect that. 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.560 He couldn't resist, couldie Michael Kraigner, Graham Richardson, Thanks a. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.080 Lot, Thanks, thank you. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.640 Okay, let's catch up with National's back bench of Barnaby Joyce, who, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.240 of course today was making headlines with his new bromance 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:39.040 with fellow former NAT's leader Michael McCormack and this Private 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.120 Members bill wanting a debate. Well more than that, Barnaby 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.640 wants net zero us signing up to it dumped. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:45.400 Barnaby. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.600 Thanks for your time, and it's been a really busy day. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.040 You called I think net zero the head of the 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.120 net zero serpent. Can you explain to me what you 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:54.720 meant by that? 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.320 Well, Steve, and good evening listeners. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.880 What we've got in Australia is you've seen it tonight 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:08.080 on your stable TCV and the just is this Australia 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.720 people just charging over people's farms twelve thousand dollars fine. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.160 I think they mentioned if you dare to sort of 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.920 stop someone intruding into your own land. We're seeing people 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.520 pushed out of their houses, they can't afford their power bill, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:22.520 living in cars. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.480 That is actually really happening. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.080 We're seeing the desecration of the landscape with wind towers 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.280 and solar panels. You'veimistically called farms. They always put that 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.560 weasily nominoclatter in it. They're not farms did amint a 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:39.240 power precincts, and they're not renewable their future landfill from 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 obsolescence that'll just rotten a paddock for most of it. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.120 And we are what were doing to this nation. Even 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:47.880 on the ABC the other night they were talking about 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:53.400 that basically the massive diminution of our manufacturing capacity, the 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.000 de industrialization of Australia. And we've got China breathing down 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.280 our neck and we're trying to do everything in our 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.640 power to make ourselves power less. So where is the 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.520 source of this? And the head of the serpent is 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:12.360 net zero? A lunatic policy, complete lunacy that somehow in 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.240 that building, there's an action that can be taken at 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.640 the dispatch box which will get rid of droughts and 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.760 cyclones and stop animals going extinct and warm and cool 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.800 the ocean, and you know, it'll do everything, change the 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.160 temperature of the globe, change all that up there, just 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.520 because cris Bone says so, even though China is not 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.080 participating in it, Russia's not participating, in the United States 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.680 not participating in Indonesia's not participating in it. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.560 You know, Brazil, most. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.640 Of Southeast Asia, most of Africa, what it is. You'll 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.480 see some participation in it by some in Europe, but 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.120 even there England, if they change government, it won't be 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.960 participating it. Even just across the ditch, New Zeal's not 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.800 participating in it. So it will have no effect. But 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.160 the self immolation of our own nation. What a ridiculous lunacy. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:00.840 Let's get the hell out of it. 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.600 So let's go back in time. But you're a senior 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.400 member of a coalition government. You're, in fact rose the 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:12.040 position of deputy prime minister. Why the hell did the 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.439 coalition during those leaders sign up to this in the 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.679 first place. Take me inside the internal debate that musket 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.600 you must have been heavily involved in about whether to 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.680 sign up on slertly. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.560 I always voted against it. I've argued against it. I 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.640 thought it was lunacy from the start. But in a position, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.560 especially within government of executive office, you're bound by cabinet solidarity, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.280 which I complied with, and even in the National's Party 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.600 room after I'd cut that deal, which got about thirty 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:48.280 two billion dollars worth of infrastructure Urana Dam, Hellsgate Dam, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:55.080 Bowen pipeline, intermodals for Catherine Tenant Kreeg, upgrade of roads, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.960 Allied Health for Western Victoria, and on and on and on. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.239 It goes, upgrade of airports, you name it, we got it. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:03.560 After I'd cut that deal, I went back to the 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.600 room and I said, look, you'll have to have a vote. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.600 I voted against it, and which was splendidly put in 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.879 the paper by one of my colleagues. But that was 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.280 good actually, because for the record people know that I've 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.959 never supported it, and even Peter Dutton, how I get 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.840 along with but he ringing up, berating me, threatening to 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.520 sack me if I'm not more foolsome than. 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.439 My support in net zero, which I could never be. 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.000 It's a nutcase policy, and the rest of the world 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.600 has found that we're not doing something unique here, Steve, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.520 We're just catching up to We're the majority of the 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.000 people on the globe and the majority of the economy 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:40.600 on the globe have already got to it's crazy. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.120 I'm going to describe for you in a moment one 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.200 of these so called wind farms that I visited in 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.240 Victoria at the weekend, and I was just horrified and 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.200 I couldn't believe what I was seeing. But here's Michael McCormack, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.560 who you've now teamed up with, and he was asked 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.280 about what's going to happen with net zero today. 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.840 Hey, listen, do you think the majority of your party 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.639 colleagues agree with Barnaby and you? 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:02.679 I'd like to think so. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:03.520 I'm repealing the to. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:08.240 I'd like to think so do they. I mean, how 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.639 many in the National Party. Actually they may not come 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.920 out publicly, they're not as brave perhaps as you and 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.879 McCormack are, But how many around that National Party party 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.480 room actually agree with you? I mean, anyone who lives 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.920 in the bush surely must agree. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.560 You know, Steve, if I wanted to lose the seat 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.040 of New England. I know exactly how I'd do it. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.240 I'd go back to the people of New England and 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.280 say I believe in intimnate power and we should have 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.520 more intimindent power rolled out. And I would go from 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.800 on the safest seats in Australia to stacking shelves at 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.600 Bunnings in one fell swoop. It is we have now 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.080 seen at a party level. Remember the National Party of 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.400 New South Wales has as policy from its last conference 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.719 who get rid of net zero. The COLP in the 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.520 Northern Territory has policy to get rid of net zero. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.240 The Liberal Party in South Australia has a policy at 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.239 the party level the members level to get rid of 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.240 net zero. The Canning branch of the Liberal Party in 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.479 Western Australia has passed the motion to get rid of 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.159 net zero. The White Bay branch of the LMP in 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:13.119 Queensland has passed the motion to getting in it rid 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.480 of net zero. We are following on this one. We 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.359 are following the members and we are following the street. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:20.199 We are not leading. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.600 And you know I think that for myself, michae LeAnn 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.399 and many others it's not just about it's not for 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.639 God's sake, it's not about me. It is basically catching 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.440 up to where other people want us to be. See 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.840 at the start, Steve, they thought that net zero was 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.240 this innocuous thing and it sounds good and the kids 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:38.600 like it. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.120 A do it. And then they've come out of and went, 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.320 what the hell is this? What are you doing to us? 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.520 And they go no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.720 no stop And that's what we've. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:49.960 Got to do. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.919 So David Little Proud, the head of the National Party, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.440 he says that he's committed to net zero. The coalition 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.200 split earlier this year was the net zero question ever 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.840 part of the negotiations to get back together and could 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.320 have been a deal breaker. I mean, if David littl 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.800 Proud had said to Susan Lee not we're out of 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.639 net zero, would she have walked away from the coalition agreement? 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.280 Do you think it would have been a different scenario. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:18.760 But it wasn't about net zero. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.280 But you know, that always concerns me because if someone said, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.080 what's the biggest issue around, said, man, that zero, because 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.800 it's you know, that's the one. You can't say I 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.240