WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 15 May 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:05.120 From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.160 Good evening and welcome to the show. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.799 I'm Danikit di Giorgio felling in tonight for the great 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.600 man himself, Paul Murray in the man Cave. It is 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.439 wonderful to be here again. Here is what is coming 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.440 up on the program. The justice system is broken when 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.959 it comes to youth crime. I'll tell you about the 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:27.680 latest bail fail. Let you leader, same old loopy Greens. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.040 Why the minor party has learned absolutely nothing from its 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.159 election woes and the council in Victoria rewards vandals and 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.680 tries to erase our history by removing a graffiti Captain 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:41.880 Cook statue. 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:42.400 For first tonight. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.560 We do talk about youth crime until we are blue 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.839 in the face. But you know what, we're going to 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.280 keep talking about it because we've got criminal kids laughing 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.200 in our faces, committing crimes over and over and the 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.640 judges just give them a slap on the wrist and 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.360 send them on their merry way. And a week later, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.320 the same kids are back in court forget another offense, 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.000 and it's deja vous. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.640 Over and over again. And take this latest bail failing. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:14.280 New South Wales a teenager hit with seventeen aggravated break 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.640 and enter charges after an alleged six day crime spree 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.959 across Sydney, has been released from custody. G Real Tig 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.280 allegedly committed a string of shop break ins and midnight 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.360 home invasions with a group of friends in late January, 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.200 just two weeks after his eighteenth birthday. It's alleged the 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.000 group's stole luxury cars from family homes and took them 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.039 on a wild. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:40.200 Joy ride across the city. Yet here's the thing. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.200 Despite the seriousness of the allegations, the most grievous of 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.920 which carry maximum penalties of twenty years behind bars, Teague 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.320 was granted bail in court this week after revealing he 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:57.760 had been jumped behind bars and stabbed seven times. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.000 Now, I'm sorry, but so what did the judge just 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:04.600 feel sorry for him? 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.480 I mean, let's not forget he's a legal adult now, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.000 he is eighteen years old. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.120 Yet we have a case where this. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:15.280 Young man allegedly commits seventeen aggravated break and enters over 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.120 six days, and off he goes. And this is just 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.120 another example of failures in the justice system which falls 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.440 so short of community expectations and I've got to say 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.160 the legal system is broken, and not just in New 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.600 South Wales but across the country. There are judges and 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.160 magistrates appointed by our politicians who think a soft approach 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.600 is best and how has that worked out well? One 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.840 fourteen year old in Melbourne was bailed for the fiftieth 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.560 time last year fifty times in New South Wales, and 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.600 eleven year old boy faced a children's court for the 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.280 seventieth time in his life at just the age of eleven. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:57.520 In Melbourne's North. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:01.080 This week, three ride share drivers were left traumatized after 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.279 fourteen's allegedly went on a carjacking rampage. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:11.320 Police watch from above. Three fifteen year old boys accused 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.800 of violent carjackings dump a stolen car. They tried to 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:26.440 run but were quickly cornered in a hillside court. It 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.480 wasn't over a police had another teen and another stolen 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:31.720 car to hunt down. 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:34.920 The four fifteen year olds are accused of holding the 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.400 ride share drivers at knife point and assaulting them, and 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.200 one victim even had to be hospitalized for their injuries. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.840 The Victoria Police airwing had to be called in, so 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.680 yet another expense on the taxpayers tab every eighteen minutes 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.960 a car is stolen in Victoria, So really, this is 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.240 just your average run of the. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.960 Mill crime night in that state. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.680 And guess what one of those accused teens was yesterday 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.000 granted bail. Fifteen year old boy charged over a string 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.920 of terrifying weekend carjackings linked to yet another five and 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.360 who allegedly texted his co accused to delete messages while 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.880 he was being interviewed by police, has been bailed on Saturday. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.440 The boy was charged with aggravated carjacking with a machete, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.640 destroying a mobile phone, handling stolen goods, driving without a license, 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.000 and possessing cannabis. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:24.280 And here's the thing. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.640 In opposing bail, the prosecution said the boy had been 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:32.320 linked to a further five carjackings since his arrest. They 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.080 also alleged the youngster used his mother's phone during his 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.000 police interview on the weekend and was in contact with 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.120 his co accused where messages such as no comment and 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:48.040 delete messages were allegedly exchanged, and yet Magistrate Julia O'Donnell 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:56.440 still granted bail. The legal system is stuffed. Laws surrounding 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.520 juvenile criminals mean we can't name the kids we don't 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.840 know what the kids look like, and no wonder the 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.320 cycle of crime continues. It's a big joke for these kids, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.520 and the joke is on us. And the question has 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.240 to be asked, where on earth are the parents? Where 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.320 are the parents when four fifteen year old boys allegedly 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.280 are able to steal cars and hold three. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.280 People at knife point? 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.599 Did it not occur to mum or dad or a 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.800 guardian that these kids weren't home under adult supervision? 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:30.960 I mean they're fifteen years old. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.240 For goodness sake, enough is enough and gee, the politicians 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.960 are weak. The new South Wales Attorney General Michael Daily 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.279 would not even be drawn on whether that decision involving 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:42.960 the eighteen. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.239 Year old past the pub test. I mean, Michael, it's simple. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.000 It's really not that hard to think about because it 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.760 doesn't pass the pub test. These kids are not innocent angels. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.479 They know exactly what they are doing. Lock them up 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.440 and teach them a less. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:05.159 Well. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.560 The Greens have a new leader, but it won't surprise 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.080 you to know it is still the same activist radical Greens, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.760 just with a new face. This dangerous brand just continues 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.040 for another year. Queensland Senator Larissa Waters was elected unopposed 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.360 for the role and have a listen to her mission statement. 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.880 We stand firm always on social justice and human rights, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.760 whether that's First Nations justice, whether that's a free Palestine, 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:37.080 whether that's peace and human rights. Globally, we will always 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.800 be there calling out atrocities. I'm calling today for a 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:44.680 progressive Parliament and a politics with heart. That's what we 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.960 desperately need. Let's meet people where they're at and let's 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:52.720 actually work to deliver the services and the support that 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.480 people need and that the planet needs. Now we want 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.680 to see action on the climate crisis. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.680 It's terrific. It's really really terrific, isn't it. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.360 It really tells you everything you need to know about 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.880 this party. And if that's the sentiment, it's clear that 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.040 they have learnt nothing from Adam Bant losing his seat 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.600 and the poor results for the party in the federal 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.400 election and of course the recent elections in Queensland and 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.960 the Act. As I said, it's the same Greens with 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:28.160 a different face. Pro Palestine, anti Israel, anti Australia, dangerous 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.920 to the prosperity of this country, fueled by climate alarmism 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:36.200 and run by a bunch of socialists. Now, if you 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.920 don't know much about the new leader, well this sums 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:40.280 it up. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.720 The liberals and the colon gas industry are doing everything 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.760 they can to slow down action on the climate crisis. 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.280 They're freaking nuclear, which, as we all know, would simply 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.120 prolong coal and gas, and they're pouring time and money 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.680 into undermining the transition to renewables. Right now, hard working 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.520 people are paying way too much for the basics, while 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.840 one in three big corporations pays no tax at all. 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.040 The major parties are tinkering around the edges of the 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.800 problems that people face. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.400 Yeah, good to know. The future of the Greens is 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.360 so secure. Now. Look, I will say this though. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.560 Larissa Waters is probably the better option out of Marine 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.360 Ferruki and Sarah Hanson Young. But that's just the issue 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:40.400 because Ferruki is staying on as deputy. Now, this is 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:45.400 a woman who wants reparations for Pakistan, wears a kefire 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.800 on the Senate floor, and has proudly boasted anti Israel sentiment. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.559 The coalition is morally bankrupt when it comes to Palestine, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.839 and Leba has shown itself to be heartless, gutless cowards. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:04.640 Today bring the people's protest into Parliament three Free Palestine. 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:09.160 Albanesi government has been complicit in the genocide in Gaza 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:15.000 and they have failed to take strong action against Israel's war. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.440 Crimes and does harmas need to be dismantled. 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.600 Listen, there's a situation with Hamases. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.680 Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.800 them gone, and. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.800 It's not up to me to say who should be 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.400 gone or not. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.520 Yeah, and look, based on her comments today, it is 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.240 a truer life that she was not elected. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:38.760 Later, migrant and multicultural communities have in the tens of 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:44.640 thousands across Sydney, across Brisbane, across Melbourne backed our strong 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.320 stand against the genocide in Gaza. To the right wing media, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.280 to the billionaires, to the big corperations and to the 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:53.400 Albanesi government. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.359 This is our message. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.240 We are not going to take a step backwards on 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:05.040 action on climate, on the environment, on housing and justice 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:06.000 for Palestine. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:08.719 Again, it's terrific, isn't it. 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.199 I mean, is she the member for Gaza, Who does 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.600 she want to be in the Australian Senate because clearly 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.960 more anti Israel's sentiment is to come. She does not 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.400 represent the values of our country. She certainly does not 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.319 represent us as Australians who are actually proud of this country. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.600 She represents herself her own activist causes Palestine and Pakistan. 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.280 Yet apparently she wants to be taken seriously. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:42.560 Welcome to Positive Affirmations Election edition with me, Marie Faruki. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:52.720 Now let's relax. You are capable of achieving your goals. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:06.160 You radiate green positive energy. You are always growing and learning, 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.480 especially when university and death is free. 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.960 Oh don't know about you at home, but I'm really 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.880 feeling that Marine Faruki positive energy, feeling those vibes, feeling 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.160 zen all of a sudden, It's really uplifted. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.800 Me for the evening. A fact, I really hope that. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.880 You at home are really riping those vibes of the 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.680 deputy leader of the Greens Party. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.760 Wonderful, wonderful and look, this is a woman. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:35.280 Who could have been leader of the party today. I 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.079 mean this is the funniest part because there were reports 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.199 the former Green Senator now independent Lydia Thorpe, had been 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.040 using a Greens First Nation's faction to meddle in the 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:51.160 minor parties leadership battle. The Australian Greens First Nations Network 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.200 agitated for Senator Marine Ferruki to be elected through widespread 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.280 emails and a formal endorsement. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.320 Last week. In fact one, senior Green Sauce Eve told 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.640 The Australian Lydia Thorpe wants back in the Greens. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.720 There's no secret in that. I mean good grief, I 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:10.560 mean she's denied it. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.839 Today. Lydia Thorpe says she's not going back to the Greens. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.679 But can you imagine the craziness of Thorpe re entering 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:23.000 what is already clearly a very bizarre party. Now, Sarah 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.000 Hanson Young had been considered as the only other genuine 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.480 alternative for leader. But as in this Sarah Hanson Young, 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.400 on the eve of the election, have you sold out 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.360 your environment credentials? 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:45.160 Throw it up and stinking in that attention? Salmon, salmon jay. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.679 It really was slim pickens over at the Greens, wasn't it, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.760 And looked despite losing three of their four Lower House seats, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.240 Labor will have to rely on them to get legislation 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.959 through the Senate. But Adam Bant is gone and clearly 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.239 it is the same old loopy Greens. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:09.360 What a cluster. Let's bring our Paneling. 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.280 Now joining me is Liberal National MP Henry Pike and 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.720 Liberal MP Andrew Wallace. Great to see you both. Thank 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.040 you so much for joining me on the show this evening. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.400 Let's start with the Greens. Of course, Larissa Waters elected 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.280 as Greens later, as I said, it's the same old, loopy, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.760 weird Greens, except with a new face. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.360 Andrew will start with you. What do you make of 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:31.119 this appointment? 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.760 Ah, look, what do you say? I mean? 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:42.480 These guys just clearly they haven't learned their lesson. You 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.080 vote for the Greens, you get someone like Lydia Thorpe. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:50.080 That's really the outcome of it all. And look on 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.520 my own electorate, the Greens lost pretty significant primary vote. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.720 People have had enough of this extremist group of this 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.199 political party. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.560 And clearly we've seen the result. 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.839 They lost seventy five percent of their members in the 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.360 House at the last election. Sadly we've still got one 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:11.800 Green left in the House. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.080 But people are speaking. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:18.560 People have had enough of the militant approach that has 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.080 been taken by the Greens. This is not the political 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:26.400 party of Bob Brown of yesteryear. The Greens need to 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.880 get back to their basics and if they want to 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.320 have an environmental party. That's what they should be doing. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.680 Sticking to that. People have had enough, they've had a gutfall. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:35.520 I think of this. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.120 Is that they've been demonstrating over the recent years of 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.000 Adam Bant when he was the leader. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.400 Well, look, I completely agree with you. I mean, long 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.080 gone are the Bob Brown days. This is a very 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.880 dangerous new brand of Greens is completely irrelevant to Australian culture, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.040 so far removed from our values. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.440 Here is a bit more of what Larissa Waters had 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.440 to say at a press conference today. 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.640 We've got a lot of work because people are really 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.920 hurting and the planet is hurting, and we need a 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.400 parliament that actually delivers for people and has the courage 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.200 and the boldness and the heart to deliver some help 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.200 to people. So I'm calling today for a progressive parliament 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:18.800 and a politics with heart. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.960 Henry, what on earth is a progressive parliament? But what 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:26.400 exactly does that entail? 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.080 Where does that fit into the overall scheme of things 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.920 in politics in this country. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.840 Well, I'm not sure what she's doing calling for a 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.320 particular type of parliament. At this point in time. We've 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.040 got the parliament the is trailed people have delivered to us, 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.760 and thankfully for me and Andrew, there are three less 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.600 Greens in the Lower House that we'll have to listen 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.640 to on a daily basis. So you know, I think 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.560 it's a pretty good outcome and I'm actually pleased that 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.680 the Greens are doubling down on their unpopular policies which 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.600 has seen their vote decimated across so many areas. And 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.920 you know, certainly in my electric we saw a fall 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.960 in the first preference for the Greens as well. Deliver 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.800 up more of that, please, that's my message to the Greens. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.440 Deliver up more of the same and see your vote 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:07.120 to decline. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.200 We would love to have that outcome, and. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.520 We'd love to be rid of these people who are 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.600 living in clearly a different world with different priorities to 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:15.800 mainstream Australia. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.000 Oh absolutely, it's so far removed, very loopy and quite frankly, 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:21.760 very strange. Now, look, we've got a lot to talk 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.080 about because there's been the Liberal leadership this week. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.680 You now have a new leader in the Liberal Party. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.480 But look, there have been many takes on Susan Lee's 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.080 appointment as Liberal leader, with some actually saying that she's 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:35.880 perhaps too far left have a listen. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.520 I just feel she's too far to the left. She's 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.280 going to lose a lot of the members from the 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.880 Liberal Party because they won't head down the path that 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.240 conservative values of the Liberal Party what it was founded on. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.880 That's my opinion about Susan and I think there's too 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.760 many moderates in the party. They will keep dragging them 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.840 back to the left of politics. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.640 And look, many Liberals felt that the natural candidate would 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.600 have been Andrew Hasty. I even personally think that Andrew 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.840 Hasty would have been a wonderful leader. You can see 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.920 him as a future prime Minister's shame he was hidden 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.119 throughout the selection campaign, but of course he ruled himself 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.520 out this week. But he hasn't been sheepish in his 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:13.760 support for the new leader. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.840 She has my support, and I also I'm supporting Tedo 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:19.800 Ryan and our deput leader. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.840 They've got a big job ahead and if we don't 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:22.640 get our act. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.720 Together as a party, we're going to face an even 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.160 more challenging election in three years time. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.160 Andrew, what do you make of, firstly, the criticism by 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.600 the likes of Senator Pauline Hansen. How confident are you 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.119 that Susan Lee will be there between now and the 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.920 next election, or is she just a placeholder for somebody 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.800 like Andrew hasty to come in and swoop in at 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:44.560 the last minute. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.840 Well, Dneiker, I think that we have to really rally 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.800 behind both Susan and Ted. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.960 They were elected as our leaders just a couple of 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:56.679 days ago. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.720 It's really good to see Andrew say that he's behind them. 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.760 I think we are all behind them. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.919 We just can't be in a situation where we have 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.760 some people who are going to snipe from the sidelines. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:14.119 We've got to really get behind her, get behind Ted. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.200 I think Susan and Ted demonstrate our best. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.760 Opportunity to really rebuild the brand. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:26.080 I think one of the significant parts of Susan's capabilities 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:30.679 will come about through bringing everyone together but really trying 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.680 to work with her colleagues in policy development. I think 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.640 that's going to be crucial because over the next particularly 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.840 over the next eighteen months, we are really going to 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:47.320 need to be creating that case, listening to the Australian people, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.359 but then developing good policies to meet people where they are. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.240 And I think that Susan will do that well. Because 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:55.320 I think Susan. 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.679 Will be a very collaborative leader and more to her 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.800 arm and we've really got a lot behind her. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.800 So but Andrew, you know, I mean, look, there has 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.400 been as a sense some criticism that the thing is 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:06.080 is that there needs to. 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:07.520 Be a DIFFERENTI and there needs to. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.800 Be yeah, but to be fair though, there needs to 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.680 be some different policy that this is a problem. During 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.280 the election campaign there wasn't a differentiation in policy. It's 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.240 Susan le going to come forward and really make that 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.200 stark difference. Do you think, I mean, particularly when it 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.000 comes to say nuclear, when it comes to net zero, 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.639 are we actually going to see policy moving forward that 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.560 is going to put the party in a more electable 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:31.280 winning position. 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:32.960 Well, this is the thing. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:37.000 So this is why I think Susan has the opportunity 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.320 here to be very successful, because I believe she will 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.320 listen not just to her colleagues. I believe she'll listen 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.520 to where people, you know, average Australians where they're at. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.919 And as I said, I think that she will be 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:52.560 a collaborative leader. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:57.240 She'll be she's our first woman leader of the Liberal Party. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.000 It'll be a change in dynamics, no doubt about that. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.400 But look, I'm really excited about the next three years. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.760 I think that this is an opportunity for us to 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:11.720 really dig down into policy development, and that's something that 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:15.719 I think we have struggled with for a number of years. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.080 Yeah, and Henry, what's your view on this? Is this 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.960 the right way forward now for the party? And what 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.080 do you think that Susan Lee needs to take forward 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.920 now to put that party the party in an electable 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:26.560 winning position. 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.360 Absolutely, I think anyone who underestimates Susan will do so 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.000 at their peril. She will be formidable as our opposition leader, 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.359 and I think she's going to really surprise a lot 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.199 of people, including Senator Hanson. And in fact, I've had 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.360 a lot of support already from people. I've been out 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.399 in my community. I've been out of cancer counts and 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.280 wanting tea yesterday, and a lot of women in my 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.240 area very excited about the prospect of having a formidable 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.159 woman leading our party. And also I'm excited about the 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.439 approach that she's taking to the leadership and that the 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.160 collaborative approach that she he wants to adopt in terms 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.800 of developing those policies. We want to get back to basics. 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.400 We want to have a policy platform at the next 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.840 election that reflects Liberal values and I'm very confident that 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.280 with Susan and Ted we're going to have that and 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.280 I think the Australian people are going to be quite 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:16.600 happy with what we have to offer. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:17.040 Yeah. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.919 I like that term back to basics and I think 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.879 that's really what it's about and having that putting together 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.400 a policy platform that will resonate with voters that's not complex, 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:26.720 not difficult to understand. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:27.640 So I think that's good. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.200 I found it interesting today though, of course Liberal MPs 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:34.040 are trying to scramble for a spot on Susan Lee's 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.640 front bench. It's now been reported in the Daily Telegraph 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.960 that Andrew Hasty and Angus Taylor may actually be considering 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.320 a move to the back bench. Hasty to spend time 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.840 in his electric in wa and Taylor if he's not 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.000 asked to continue on as Shadow Treasurer. 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:48.720 Andrew, I remember earlier this. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.440 Week you said here on Sky News that you know 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.160 he's got to lick his wounds, perhaps for twenty four hours, 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.920 but that you really do need Taylor to come back 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.560 and more fighting, more than ever. To lose those two 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.840 to the back bench I think would be absolutely diabolical 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.760 for the party. How confident are you that they will 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.919 get key roles and that they won't just want to 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.040