Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: I'm Danikit di Giorgio felling in tonight for the great
Speaker 3: man himself, Paul Murray in the man Cave. It is
Speaker 3: wonderful to be here again. Here is what is coming
Speaker 3: up on the program. The justice system is broken when
Speaker 3: it comes to youth crime. I'll tell you about the
Speaker 3: latest bail fail. Let you leader, same old loopy Greens.
Speaker 3: Why the minor party has learned absolutely nothing from its
Speaker 3: election woes and the council in Victoria rewards vandals and
Speaker 3: tries to erase our history by removing a graffiti Captain
Speaker 3: Cook statue.
Speaker 2: For first tonight.
Speaker 3: We do talk about youth crime until we are blue
Speaker 3: in the face. But you know what, we're going to
Speaker 3: keep talking about it because we've got criminal kids laughing
Speaker 3: in our faces, committing crimes over and over and the
Speaker 3: judges just give them a slap on the wrist and
Speaker 3: send them on their merry way. And a week later,
Speaker 3: the same kids are back in court forget another offense,
Speaker 3: and it's deja vous.
Speaker 2: Over and over again. And take this latest bail failing.
Speaker 3: New South Wales a teenager hit with seventeen aggravated break
Speaker 3: and enter charges after an alleged six day crime spree
Speaker 3: across Sydney, has been released from custody. G Real Tig
Speaker 3: allegedly committed a string of shop break ins and midnight
Speaker 3: home invasions with a group of friends in late January,
Speaker 3: just two weeks after his eighteenth birthday. It's alleged the
Speaker 3: group's stole luxury cars from family homes and took them
Speaker 3: on a wild.
Speaker 2: Joy ride across the city. Yet here's the thing.
Speaker 3: Despite the seriousness of the allegations, the most grievous of
Speaker 3: which carry maximum penalties of twenty years behind bars, Teague
Speaker 3: was granted bail in court this week after revealing he
Speaker 3: had been jumped behind bars and stabbed seven times.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sorry, but so what did the judge just
Speaker 2: feel sorry for him?
Speaker 3: I mean, let's not forget he's a legal adult now,
Speaker 3: he is eighteen years old.
Speaker 2: Yet we have a case where this.
Speaker 3: Young man allegedly commits seventeen aggravated break and enters over
Speaker 3: six days, and off he goes. And this is just
Speaker 3: another example of failures in the justice system which falls
Speaker 3: so short of community expectations and I've got to say
Speaker 3: the legal system is broken, and not just in New
Speaker 3: South Wales but across the country. There are judges and
Speaker 3: magistrates appointed by our politicians who think a soft approach
Speaker 3: is best and how has that worked out well? One
Speaker 3: fourteen year old in Melbourne was bailed for the fiftieth
Speaker 3: time last year fifty times in New South Wales, and
Speaker 3: eleven year old boy faced a children's court for the
Speaker 3: seventieth time in his life at just the age of eleven.
Speaker 2: In Melbourne's North.
Speaker 3: This week, three ride share drivers were left traumatized after
Speaker 3: fourteen's allegedly went on a carjacking rampage.
Speaker 4: Police watch from above. Three fifteen year old boys accused
Speaker 4: of violent carjackings dump a stolen car. They tried to
Speaker 4: run but were quickly cornered in a hillside court. It
Speaker 4: wasn't over a police had another teen and another stolen
Speaker 4: car to hunt down.
Speaker 3: The four fifteen year olds are accused of holding the
Speaker 3: ride share drivers at knife point and assaulting them, and
Speaker 3: one victim even had to be hospitalized for their injuries.
Speaker 3: The Victoria Police airwing had to be called in, so
Speaker 3: yet another expense on the taxpayers tab every eighteen minutes
Speaker 3: a car is stolen in Victoria, So really, this is
Speaker 3: just your average run of the.
Speaker 2: Mill crime night in that state.
Speaker 3: And guess what one of those accused teens was yesterday
Speaker 3: granted bail. Fifteen year old boy charged over a string
Speaker 3: of terrifying weekend carjackings linked to yet another five and
Speaker 3: who allegedly texted his co accused to delete messages while
Speaker 3: he was being interviewed by police, has been bailed on Saturday.
Speaker 3: The boy was charged with aggravated carjacking with a machete,
Speaker 3: destroying a mobile phone, handling stolen goods, driving without a license,
Speaker 3: and possessing cannabis.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing.
Speaker 3: In opposing bail, the prosecution said the boy had been
Speaker 3: linked to a further five carjackings since his arrest. They
Speaker 3: also alleged the youngster used his mother's phone during his
Speaker 3: police interview on the weekend and was in contact with
Speaker 3: his co accused where messages such as no comment and
Speaker 3: delete messages were allegedly exchanged, and yet Magistrate Julia O'Donnell
Speaker 3: still granted bail. The legal system is stuffed. Laws surrounding
Speaker 3: juvenile criminals mean we can't name the kids we don't
Speaker 3: know what the kids look like, and no wonder the
Speaker 3: cycle of crime continues. It's a big joke for these kids,
Speaker 3: and the joke is on us. And the question has
Speaker 3: to be asked, where on earth are the parents? Where
Speaker 3: are the parents when four fifteen year old boys allegedly
Speaker 3: are able to steal cars and hold three.
Speaker 2: People at knife point?
Speaker 3: Did it not occur to mum or dad or a
Speaker 3: guardian that these kids weren't home under adult supervision?
Speaker 2: I mean they're fifteen years old.
Speaker 3: For goodness sake, enough is enough and gee, the politicians
Speaker 3: are weak. The new South Wales Attorney General Michael Daily
Speaker 3: would not even be drawn on whether that decision involving
Speaker 3: the eighteen.
Speaker 2: Year old past the pub test. I mean, Michael, it's simple.
Speaker 3: It's really not that hard to think about because it
Speaker 3: doesn't pass the pub test. These kids are not innocent angels.
Speaker 3: They know exactly what they are doing. Lock them up
Speaker 3: and teach them a less.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The Greens have a new leader, but it won't surprise
Speaker 3: you to know it is still the same activist radical Greens,
Speaker 3: just with a new face. This dangerous brand just continues
Speaker 3: for another year. Queensland Senator Larissa Waters was elected unopposed
Speaker 3: for the role and have a listen to her mission statement.
Speaker 5: We stand firm always on social justice and human rights,
Speaker 5: whether that's First Nations justice, whether that's a free Palestine,
Speaker 5: whether that's peace and human rights. Globally, we will always
Speaker 5: be there calling out atrocities. I'm calling today for a
Speaker 5: progressive Parliament and a politics with heart. That's what we
Speaker 5: desperately need. Let's meet people where they're at and let's
Speaker 5: actually work to deliver the services and the support that
Speaker 5: people need and that the planet needs. Now we want
Speaker 5: to see action on the climate crisis.
Speaker 2: It's terrific. It's really really terrific, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It really tells you everything you need to know about
Speaker 3: this party. And if that's the sentiment, it's clear that
Speaker 3: they have learnt nothing from Adam Bant losing his seat
Speaker 3: and the poor results for the party in the federal
Speaker 3: election and of course the recent elections in Queensland and
Speaker 3: the Act. As I said, it's the same Greens with
Speaker 3: a different face. Pro Palestine, anti Israel, anti Australia, dangerous
Speaker 3: to the prosperity of this country, fueled by climate alarmism
Speaker 3: and run by a bunch of socialists. Now, if you
Speaker 3: don't know much about the new leader, well this sums
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 5: The liberals and the colon gas industry are doing everything
Speaker 5: they can to slow down action on the climate crisis.
Speaker 5: They're freaking nuclear, which, as we all know, would simply
Speaker 5: prolong coal and gas, and they're pouring time and money
Speaker 5: into undermining the transition to renewables. Right now, hard working
Speaker 5: people are paying way too much for the basics, while
Speaker 5: one in three big corporations pays no tax at all.
Speaker 5: The major parties are tinkering around the edges of the
Speaker 5: problems that people face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to know. The future of the Greens is
Speaker 2: so secure. Now. Look, I will say this though.
Speaker 3: Larissa Waters is probably the better option out of Marine
Speaker 3: Ferruki and Sarah Hanson Young. But that's just the issue
Speaker 3: because Ferruki is staying on as deputy. Now, this is
Speaker 3: a woman who wants reparations for Pakistan, wears a kefire
Speaker 3: on the Senate floor, and has proudly boasted anti Israel sentiment.
Speaker 6: The coalition is morally bankrupt when it comes to Palestine,
Speaker 6: and Leba has shown itself to be heartless, gutless cowards.
Speaker 7: Today bring the people's protest into Parliament three Free Palestine.
Speaker 7: Albanesi government has been complicit in the genocide in Gaza
Speaker 7: and they have failed to take strong action against Israel's war.
Speaker 1: Crimes and does harmas need to be dismantled.
Speaker 6: Listen, there's a situation with Hamases.
Speaker 1: Surely you're able to say where you'd like to see
Speaker 1: them gone, and.
Speaker 6: It's not up to me to say who should be
Speaker 6: gone or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, based on her comments today, it is
Speaker 3: a truer life that she was not elected.
Speaker 6: Later, migrant and multicultural communities have in the tens of
Speaker 6: thousands across Sydney, across Brisbane, across Melbourne backed our strong
Speaker 6: stand against the genocide in Gaza. To the right wing media,
Speaker 6: to the billionaires, to the big corperations and to the
Speaker 6: Albanesi government.
Speaker 2: This is our message.
Speaker 6: We are not going to take a step backwards on
Speaker 6: action on climate, on the environment, on housing and justice
Speaker 6: for Palestine.
Speaker 2: Again, it's terrific, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I mean, is she the member for Gaza, Who does
Speaker 3: she want to be in the Australian Senate because clearly
Speaker 3: more anti Israel's sentiment is to come. She does not
Speaker 3: represent the values of our country. She certainly does not
Speaker 3: represent us as Australians who are actually proud of this country.
Speaker 3: She represents herself her own activist causes Palestine and Pakistan.
Speaker 3: Yet apparently she wants to be taken seriously.
Speaker 6: Welcome to Positive Affirmations Election edition with me, Marie Faruki.
Speaker 6: Now let's relax. You are capable of achieving your goals.
Speaker 6: You radiate green positive energy. You are always growing and learning,
Speaker 6: especially when university and death is free.
Speaker 3: Oh don't know about you at home, but I'm really
Speaker 3: feeling that Marine Faruki positive energy, feeling those vibes, feeling
Speaker 3: zen all of a sudden, It's really uplifted.
Speaker 2: Me for the evening. A fact, I really hope that.
Speaker 3: You at home are really riping those vibes of the
Speaker 3: deputy leader of the Greens Party.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, wonderful and look, this is a woman.
Speaker 3: Who could have been leader of the party today. I
Speaker 3: mean this is the funniest part because there were reports
Speaker 3: the former Green Senator now independent Lydia Thorpe, had been
Speaker 3: using a Greens First Nation's faction to meddle in the
Speaker 3: minor parties leadership battle. The Australian Greens First Nations Network
Speaker 3: agitated for Senator Marine Ferruki to be elected through widespread
Speaker 3: emails and a formal endorsement.
Speaker 2: Last week. In fact one, senior Green Sauce Eve told
Speaker 2: The Australian Lydia Thorpe wants back in the Greens.
Speaker 3: There's no secret in that. I mean good grief, I
Speaker 3: mean she's denied it.
Speaker 2: Today. Lydia Thorpe says she's not going back to the Greens.
Speaker 3: But can you imagine the craziness of Thorpe re entering
Speaker 3: what is already clearly a very bizarre party. Now, Sarah
Speaker 3: Hanson Young had been considered as the only other genuine
Speaker 3: alternative for leader. But as in this Sarah Hanson Young,
Speaker 3: on the eve of the election, have you sold out
Speaker 3: your environment credentials?
Speaker 2: Throw it up and stinking in that attention? Salmon, salmon jay.
Speaker 3: It really was slim pickens over at the Greens, wasn't it,
Speaker 3: And looked despite losing three of their four Lower House seats,
Speaker 3: Labor will have to rely on them to get legislation
Speaker 3: through the Senate. But Adam Bant is gone and clearly
Speaker 3: it is the same old loopy Greens.
Speaker 2: What a cluster. Let's bring our Paneling.
Speaker 3: Now joining me is Liberal National MP Henry Pike and
Speaker 3: Liberal MP Andrew Wallace. Great to see you both. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining me on the show this evening.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Greens. Of course, Larissa Waters elected
Speaker 3: as Greens later, as I said, it's the same old, loopy,
Speaker 3: weird Greens, except with a new face.
Speaker 2: Andrew will start with you. What do you make of
Speaker 2: this appointment?
Speaker 1: Ah, look, what do you say? I mean?
Speaker 8: These guys just clearly they haven't learned their lesson. You
Speaker 8: vote for the Greens, you get someone like Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 8: That's really the outcome of it all. And look on
Speaker 8: my own electorate, the Greens lost pretty significant primary vote.
Speaker 8: People have had enough of this extremist group of this
Speaker 8: political party.
Speaker 1: And clearly we've seen the result.
Speaker 8: They lost seventy five percent of their members in the
Speaker 8: House at the last election. Sadly we've still got one
Speaker 8: Green left in the House.
Speaker 1: But people are speaking.
Speaker 8: People have had enough of the militant approach that has
Speaker 8: been taken by the Greens. This is not the political
Speaker 8: party of Bob Brown of yesteryear. The Greens need to
Speaker 8: get back to their basics and if they want to
Speaker 8: have an environmental party. That's what they should be doing.
Speaker 8: Sticking to that. People have had enough, they've had a gutfall.
Speaker 1: I think of this.
Speaker 8: Is that they've been demonstrating over the recent years of
Speaker 8: Adam Bant when he was the leader.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I completely agree with you. I mean, long
Speaker 3: gone are the Bob Brown days. This is a very
Speaker 3: dangerous new brand of Greens is completely irrelevant to Australian culture,
Speaker 3: so far removed from our values.
Speaker 2: Here is a bit more of what Larissa Waters had
Speaker 2: to say at a press conference today.
Speaker 5: We've got a lot of work because people are really
Speaker 5: hurting and the planet is hurting, and we need a
Speaker 5: parliament that actually delivers for people and has the courage
Speaker 5: and the boldness and the heart to deliver some help
Speaker 5: to people. So I'm calling today for a progressive parliament
Speaker 5: and a politics with heart.
Speaker 2: Henry, what on earth is a progressive parliament? But what
Speaker 2: exactly does that entail?
Speaker 3: Where does that fit into the overall scheme of things
Speaker 3: in politics in this country.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm not sure what she's doing calling for a
Speaker 9: particular type of parliament. At this point in time. We've
Speaker 9: got the parliament the is trailed people have delivered to us,
Speaker 9: and thankfully for me and Andrew, there are three less
Speaker 9: Greens in the Lower House that we'll have to listen
Speaker 9: to on a daily basis. So you know, I think
Speaker 9: it's a pretty good outcome and I'm actually pleased that
Speaker 9: the Greens are doubling down on their unpopular policies which
Speaker 9: has seen their vote decimated across so many areas. And
Speaker 9: you know, certainly in my electric we saw a fall
Speaker 9: in the first preference for the Greens as well. Deliver
Speaker 9: up more of that, please, that's my message to the Greens.
Speaker 9: Deliver up more of the same and see your vote
Speaker 9: to decline.
Speaker 1: We would love to have that outcome, and.
Speaker 9: We'd love to be rid of these people who are
Speaker 9: living in clearly a different world with different priorities to
Speaker 9: mainstream Australia.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, it's so far removed, very loopy and quite frankly,
Speaker 3: very strange. Now, look, we've got a lot to talk
Speaker 3: about because there's been the Liberal leadership this week.
Speaker 2: You now have a new leader in the Liberal Party.
Speaker 3: But look, there have been many takes on Susan Lee's
Speaker 3: appointment as Liberal leader, with some actually saying that she's
Speaker 3: perhaps too far left have a listen.
Speaker 10: I just feel she's too far to the left. She's
Speaker 10: going to lose a lot of the members from the
Speaker 10: Liberal Party because they won't head down the path that
Speaker 10: conservative values of the Liberal Party what it was founded on.
Speaker 10: That's my opinion about Susan and I think there's too
Speaker 10: many moderates in the party. They will keep dragging them
Speaker 10: back to the left of politics.
Speaker 3: And look, many Liberals felt that the natural candidate would
Speaker 3: have been Andrew Hasty. I even personally think that Andrew
Speaker 3: Hasty would have been a wonderful leader. You can see
Speaker 3: him as a future prime Minister's shame he was hidden
Speaker 3: throughout the selection campaign, but of course he ruled himself
Speaker 3: out this week. But he hasn't been sheepish in his
Speaker 3: support for the new leader.
Speaker 10: She has my support, and I also I'm supporting Tedo
Speaker 10: Ryan and our deput leader.
Speaker 1: They've got a big job ahead and if we don't
Speaker 1: get our act.
Speaker 9: Together as a party, we're going to face an even
Speaker 9: more challenging election in three years time.
Speaker 3: Andrew, what do you make of, firstly, the criticism by
Speaker 3: the likes of Senator Pauline Hansen. How confident are you
Speaker 3: that Susan Lee will be there between now and the
Speaker 3: next election, or is she just a placeholder for somebody
Speaker 3: like Andrew hasty to come in and swoop in at
Speaker 3: the last minute.
Speaker 8: Well, Dneiker, I think that we have to really rally
Speaker 8: behind both Susan and Ted.
Speaker 1: They were elected as our leaders just a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago.
Speaker 8: It's really good to see Andrew say that he's behind them.
Speaker 1: I think we are all behind them.
Speaker 8: We just can't be in a situation where we have
Speaker 8: some people who are going to snipe from the sidelines.
Speaker 8: We've got to really get behind her, get behind Ted.
Speaker 8: I think Susan and Ted demonstrate our best.
Speaker 1: Opportunity to really rebuild the brand.
Speaker 8: I think one of the significant parts of Susan's capabilities
Speaker 8: will come about through bringing everyone together but really trying
Speaker 8: to work with her colleagues in policy development. I think
Speaker 8: that's going to be crucial because over the next particularly
Speaker 8: over the next eighteen months, we are really going to
Speaker 8: need to be creating that case, listening to the Australian people,
Speaker 8: but then developing good policies to meet people where they are.
Speaker 1: And I think that Susan will do that well. Because
Speaker 1: I think Susan.
Speaker 8: Will be a very collaborative leader and more to her
Speaker 8: arm and we've really got a lot behind her.
Speaker 3: So but Andrew, you know, I mean, look, there has
Speaker 3: been as a sense some criticism that the thing is
Speaker 3: is that there needs to.
Speaker 2: Be a DIFFERENTI and there needs to.
Speaker 3: Be yeah, but to be fair though, there needs to
Speaker 3: be some different policy that this is a problem. During
Speaker 3: the election campaign there wasn't a differentiation in policy. It's
Speaker 3: Susan le going to come forward and really make that
Speaker 3: stark difference. Do you think, I mean, particularly when it
Speaker 3: comes to say nuclear, when it comes to net zero,
Speaker 3: are we actually going to see policy moving forward that
Speaker 3: is going to put the party in a more electable
Speaker 3: winning position.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 8: So this is why I think Susan has the opportunity
Speaker 8: here to be very successful, because I believe she will
Speaker 8: listen not just to her colleagues. I believe she'll listen
Speaker 8: to where people, you know, average Australians where they're at.
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think that she will be
Speaker 1: a collaborative leader.
Speaker 8: She'll be she's our first woman leader of the Liberal Party.
Speaker 8: It'll be a change in dynamics, no doubt about that.
Speaker 8: But look, I'm really excited about the next three years.
Speaker 8: I think that this is an opportunity for us to
Speaker 8: really dig down into policy development, and that's something that
Speaker 8: I think we have struggled with for a number of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Henry, what's your view on this? Is this
Speaker 3: the right way forward now for the party? And what
Speaker 3: do you think that Susan Lee needs to take forward
Speaker 3: now to put that party the party in an electable
Speaker 3: winning position.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think anyone who underestimates Susan will do so
Speaker 9: at their peril. She will be formidable as our opposition leader,
Speaker 9: and I think she's going to really surprise a lot
Speaker 9: of people, including Senator Hanson. And in fact, I've had
Speaker 9: a lot of support already from people. I've been out
Speaker 9: in my community. I've been out of cancer counts and
Speaker 9: wanting tea yesterday, and a lot of women in my
Speaker 9: area very excited about the prospect of having a formidable
Speaker 9: woman leading our party. And also I'm excited about the
Speaker 9: approach that she's taking to the leadership and that the
Speaker 9: collaborative approach that she he wants to adopt in terms
Speaker 9: of developing those policies. We want to get back to basics.
Speaker 9: We want to have a policy platform at the next
Speaker 9: election that reflects Liberal values and I'm very confident that
Speaker 9: with Susan and Ted we're going to have that and
Speaker 9: I think the Australian people are going to be quite
Speaker 9: happy with what we have to offer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that term back to basics and I think
Speaker 3: that's really what it's about and having that putting together
Speaker 3: a policy platform that will resonate with voters that's not complex,
Speaker 3: not difficult to understand.
Speaker 2: So I think that's good.
Speaker 3: I found it interesting today though, of course Liberal MPs
Speaker 3: are trying to scramble for a spot on Susan Lee's
Speaker 3: front bench. It's now been reported in the Daily Telegraph
Speaker 3: that Andrew Hasty and Angus Taylor may actually be considering
Speaker 3: a move to the back bench. Hasty to spend time
Speaker 3: in his electric in wa and Taylor if he's not
Speaker 3: asked to continue on as Shadow Treasurer.
Speaker 2: Andrew, I remember earlier this.
Speaker 3: Week you said here on Sky News that you know
Speaker 3: he's got to lick his wounds, perhaps for twenty four hours,
Speaker 3: but that you really do need Taylor to come back
Speaker 3: and more fighting, more than ever. To lose those two
Speaker 3: to the back bench I think would be absolutely diabolical
Speaker 3: for the party. How confident are you that they will
Speaker 3: get key roles and that they won't just want to
Speaker 3: just self retire themselves out of the spotlight.
Speaker 8: Look, I don't think that they'll want to go and
Speaker 8: sit on the bench. I think that these two gentlemen
Speaker 8: have got a lot to offer the party and the
Speaker 8: Australian people. We are we've been really decimated in this
Speaker 8: last election. We need to ensure that our best people
Speaker 8: are not only on the park, but are very actively
Speaker 8: on the park and playing very important roles on the park.
Speaker 8: That's the only way we're really going to get ahead
Speaker 8: is if we are working together as a team and
Speaker 8: we have our best people out there.
Speaker 1: And the reality is we just cannot.
Speaker 8: Afford to have two of our best performers sitting in
Speaker 8: the bleachers. They need to be out in the park
Speaker 8: working hard with the rest of us. And I think
Speaker 8: they've got extraordinary.
Speaker 1: Talent and we need them out there with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Henry, what do you think I mean? It would?
Speaker 3: As I said, I think it would be remiss of
Speaker 3: Susan Lee not to give some of their best performers
Speaker 3: in the Liberal Party, people like Angus Taylor, Andrew Hasey
Speaker 3: An even Senator just into nampajimp price to not give
Speaker 3: these people key roles, put them front and center and
Speaker 3: get them to know the Australian public. Let the Australian
Speaker 3: public get a feel of them between now and the
Speaker 3: next election.
Speaker 2: I think it would be such a waste to have
Speaker 2: talent on the back bench. Were you surprised by these reports?
Speaker 9: Oh? What's a bit surprised by those reports? But I
Speaker 9: think Susan's been absolutely clear that she is very keen
Speaker 9: to have a cabinet that reflects the whole breadth of
Speaker 9: the Liberal Party, including those individuals, and I think that
Speaker 9: they've been clear today and clarifying their remarks to make
Speaker 9: it clear that they're available for selection. So I think
Speaker 9: that we're going to have a good, unified team moving
Speaker 9: forward with our best people putting their talents where we
Speaker 9: need it, and that is taking on the Labor Party.
Speaker 9: Of course, we're facing a significant challenge in this new parliament.
Speaker 9: They're going to have more than double the members we have.
Speaker 9: We've all got to work three times four times harder
Speaker 9: than we have in the past, and I think we're
Speaker 9: going to need every hand of the wheel on this one.
Speaker 9: And I'm certain we'll have a better result the next
Speaker 9: election with the united effort of our entire team.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh look, fingers crossed. Now, Look, I want to talk
Speaker 2: about the ongoing.
Speaker 3: Issues of such between the Liberals and the Nationals because
Speaker 3: Susan Lee and Nationals leader David little Proud held their
Speaker 3: first formal talks to set up a coalition agreement between
Speaker 3: the parties today, but greater representation for the Nationals and
Speaker 3: the coalition leadership team and the direction of climate policy
Speaker 3: remain unresolved.
Speaker 2: Andrews.
Speaker 3: This goes back to my earlier question because David Little
Speaker 3: Proud made it very very clear in his press conference
Speaker 3: this week that the Nationals will continue to support nuclear
Speaker 3: and he strongly put the case forward to drop net
Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty to pull all Australia out of
Speaker 3: the ridiculous Powis agreement. I think it's a great move
Speaker 3: on his part. But how the issue is, is the
Speaker 3: Liberals really going to support particularly dropping out a net
Speaker 3: zero by twenty fifty and would you continue with your
Speaker 3: nuclear policy. I mean, this is where you could really
Speaker 3: be at odds with the Nationals here.
Speaker 8: Look, there's always a possibility for that, but I think
Speaker 8: that both parties will need to formulate their own positions
Speaker 8: in the first instance, and that will come about through
Speaker 8: this cathartic process that we're going through right now, and
Speaker 8: then hopefully we'll all be coming together as a coalition.
Speaker 1: I think that we know if the.
Speaker 8: Liberal Party decide to go their own way and the
Speaker 8: National Party decided.
Speaker 1: To go their way, you know we're never going to
Speaker 1: get anywhere.
Speaker 8: The only way we can we can serve the Australian people,
Speaker 8: The only way we can hold the Labor Party to
Speaker 8: account is in a coalition. The only way we can
Speaker 8: govern is if we are in a coalition. So there's
Speaker 8: going to need to be quite a lot of soul
Speaker 8: searching on both sides of the fence, there's no doubt
Speaker 8: about that. But ultimately these discussions will be had by
Speaker 8: the party room, the Joint party room as well, and
Speaker 8: you know, we will have to land a position on
Speaker 8: this and I'm not going to ventilate what that might
Speaker 8: be today. There's a lot of water to go under
Speaker 8: the bridge, both behind closed doors as that should be,
Speaker 8: and then you know, will come out with a unified You.
Speaker 2: Still support nuclear? Are you still for nuclear?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Look I do support nuclear. I think that.
Speaker 8: The country can't go down a route of eighty two
Speaker 8: percent renewables. We need dispatchable, need dispatchable, full time, reliable,
Speaker 8: affordable power, and we know that we can't get all
Speaker 8: of those things with putting all our eggs in one
Speaker 8: basket of renewables.
Speaker 1: Now, Ultimately, ultimately.
Speaker 8: Whether it's nuclear, whether it's an emphasis on gas, whether
Speaker 8: it's all of the above with renewables as well, those
Speaker 8: are things that we've got to discuss.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you.
Speaker 8: Can't get around the iron clad rules of physics and science,
Speaker 8: and that is that we just cannot provide a part
Speaker 8: time you can't provide for a full time economy.
Speaker 3: Well we're going, but we're going broken backwards under this
Speaker 3: renewal pal Literally we cannot. We don't know how to
Speaker 3: keep the lights on during heat wave, during cold snaps.
Speaker 2: We've got absolutely no idea.
Speaker 3: You don't need to look to Spain and Portugal in
Speaker 3: recent weeks to give you an example of exactly where
Speaker 3: this is going. But in terms of the coalition agreement, Henry,
Speaker 3: you know that the Nationals, I've got to say, really
Speaker 3: propping up the Liberal Party right now because the Nationals
Speaker 3: aren't the ones that lost a tremendous amount of seats,
Speaker 3: So how critic is it that they really thrash this
Speaker 3: out and get back to being a team.
Speaker 9: The National Party are an absolutely critical part of our team.
Speaker 9: And you know, for for a coalitionist like myself, you know,
Speaker 9: we Andrew and I are both part of the merged
Speaker 9: party up here in Queensland. We we really respect the
Speaker 9: role the National Party plays both as sort of a
Speaker 9: conscience of the coalition but also to provide those regional
Speaker 9: and rural voices into the joint party room. So I
Speaker 9: you know, we totally understand and expect the National Party
Speaker 9: to be very vocal to drive a hard bargain in
Speaker 9: these negotiations, you know, when we respect the positions that
Speaker 9: they bring. But you know, obviously there's a lot of
Speaker 9: discussions is going to have to occur over the course
Speaker 9: the next couple of weeks, including you know how many
Speaker 9: cabinet positions each party is going to get in the
Speaker 9: shadow cabinet. These are all part of the course. I
Speaker 9: don't think anyone who's predicting a divorce of the you know,
Speaker 9: the long standing marriage between the Liberal and the National parties.
Speaker 9: I think are dreaming. You know, this is just part
Speaker 9: of the course. We've got some discussions to have given
Speaker 9: the results that we've had a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 9: and I think, you know, it's healthy and good for
Speaker 9: us to have those discussions.
Speaker 2: Henry, I'll ask you the same thing. Do you still
Speaker 2: support nuclear.
Speaker 9: I think it would be a big mistake for the
Speaker 9: Coalition to abandon our nuclear policy. I think that we
Speaker 9: were brave enough and I think we made the right
Speaker 9: call in coming out in favor of having a nuclear
Speaker 9: industry here in Australia. I do think that there may
Speaker 9: be some tinkering to that policy.
Speaker 1: It may take a different.
Speaker 9: Form, the model may be shifted slightly, but I certainly
Speaker 9: would be in favor of maintaining that we've made the
Speaker 9: hard yarns and making the case for it. I don't
Speaker 9: think it was the major factor in our election defeat,
Speaker 9: and I think that if you're fast forward another ten
Speaker 9: or fifteen years, I think you'll find that both sides
Speaker 9: of the Parliament are supporting nuclear energy in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if power.
Speaker 1: Can I just jump in there to on that point.
Speaker 8: You know, you asked me whether I support nuclear and
Speaker 8: I said I do, but we've also got to recognize
Speaker 8: that there's a lot of people in Australia who still
Speaker 8: are not confident about how nuclear operates, whether it can
Speaker 8: be done safely, etc. Yeah, we need to be able
Speaker 8: to sell that better. Yes, and you know this is
Speaker 8: not just a matter of rinse and repeat. I think
Speaker 8: we do need to listen very very carefully to what
Speaker 8: the people of Australia have told us over the last
Speaker 8: two weeks.
Speaker 3: No, I think that's a fair point. It has to
Speaker 3: be sold much better than it did. And well it
Speaker 3: disappeared really in the last few weeks of the campaign.
Speaker 3: I mean the only people person mentioning nuclear was Anthony
Speaker 3: Albin Easy in those last few weeks.
Speaker 2: It certainly wasn't the coalition.
Speaker 3: But look, it's an important discussion because, as we said,
Speaker 3: we're going broken backwards under renewables.
Speaker 2: Henry Pike Andrew.
Speaker 3: Wallace, good to chat with you both. Thank you so
Speaker 3: much for joining me on the show this evening. We'll
Speaker 3: stay with us coming up after the break from one
Speaker 3: wokee council to another. A Victorian council is refusing to
Speaker 3: replace a graffiti in Captain Cook statue and a Sydney
Speaker 3: Council blaming climate change for banning large events in parts.
Speaker 3: Try and make sense of that. We'll chat with Linda
Speaker 3: Scott and Kristin Abraham next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Joining me now to chat.
Speaker 3: More of today's top stories is former Labour councilor Linda Scott,
Speaker 3: who joins me here in the man Cave, and libertarian
Speaker 3: commentator Kristin Abraham.
Speaker 2: Hied to both of you. Thank you for joining me
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 3: Now, look, I want to start with the New South
Speaker 3: Wales bail fail because I spoke about this earlier on
Speaker 3: in the show and just how our justice system is
Speaker 3: really failing us. We learned today that a teenager charge
Speaker 3: with seventeen aggravated break and ender charges has been released
Speaker 3: from custody because quote, he was jumped behind bars. Look, Linda,
Speaker 3: this putting this issue aside. Okay, this isn't just a
Speaker 3: New South Wales problem. This youth crime is a state
Speaker 3: is a country wide problem. Half of the battle is
Speaker 3: the justice system, because time and time again we just
Speaker 3: see repeat offenders. They go in and out of the courts,
Speaker 3: they're given a slap on the wrist, off they go
Speaker 3: and that cycle of crime continues over and over again,
Speaker 3: has the justice system let us down?
Speaker 6: Look?
Speaker 11: I think time after time in these terrible debates, and
Speaker 11: let's acknowledge here, you know, the communities are really suffering
Speaker 11: from the impacts of crime. Coalition governments or oppositions jump
Speaker 11: to bail laws when actually we should be talking about
Speaker 11: the whole spectrum of the justice system, including what it
Speaker 11: can contribute to prevention. When people go to jail so
Speaker 11: often in Australia, they come out sadly more at risk
Speaker 11: of offending than when they went to jail, and I
Speaker 11: think we've really got to look at the evidence for
Speaker 11: what we can do throughout the justice system to prevent
Speaker 11: these kinds of problems. Young people reoffending is a problem
Speaker 11: in many hearts of Australia, but looking at what can
Speaker 11: prevent that surely is the most cost effective, best thing
Speaker 11: we can do for our communities and state governments should
Speaker 11: be doing that, not just jumping on bail laws and
Speaker 11: other things to re imprison people when indeed that might
Speaker 11: not end up being the best solution for the community
Speaker 11: to keep them ste I mean, how.
Speaker 3: Many times can we go oh, well, yeah, okay, he's young,
Speaker 3: she's young.
Speaker 2: It doesn't madam.
Speaker 3: And you've got a kid who was eleven years old
Speaker 3: and was facing courts for the seventieth time at the
Speaker 3: age of eleven.
Speaker 2: How many times are you can you go, that's all right,
Speaker 2: you know, he's young.
Speaker 3: I just think, Kristen, lock him up, teach them a
Speaker 3: lesson and see what happens.
Speaker 2: What do you think? And also the other question is
Speaker 2: where are the parents in all of this?
Speaker 12: Yeah, Linda, we're past the point of prevention for some
Speaker 12: people and we need action now for what is going
Speaker 12: to happen next. We have a term like bail failed
Speaker 12: to describe our judicial system across Australia. How crazy is that.
Speaker 12: I've recently been talking to a children's court registrar and
Speaker 12: she was saying that the reason why these young people
Speaker 12: keep getting released on bail is because they lack the
Speaker 12: resources to keep them safe while in jail or while
Speaker 12: in Remand so what I say is that there is
Speaker 12: a simple solution to this. Make safer jails, make harder bails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think. Look, I'm on the same
Speaker 3: page with you, Kristen on this. I think, how many
Speaker 3: more times can we just keep going, Oh, it's all right,
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter slap on. The recycle of crime continues.
Speaker 3: There has to be some sort of deterrent to stop
Speaker 3: these kids from reoffending. And look, none of us have
Speaker 3: the answers here, but you know, you sit and you
Speaker 3: read the same stories over and over again and you
Speaker 3: just end up shaking your head, and so something has
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, I want to talk about the Captain Cook memorial
Speaker 3: that was vandalized last year by cowards in Melbourne.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be replaced.
Speaker 3: After the obiously woke Yarra Council unanimously voted to remove it. Now,
Speaker 3: this has been in storage since January last year after
Speaker 3: those thugs toppled the granite plinth, damage the bronze bust
Speaker 3: of Cook and scrawled Cook the colony all over at Kristina.
Speaker 3: This is happening in your home state. What on earth
Speaker 3: is happening at that council. I think this is rewarding vandalism.
Speaker 12: It does appear to be rewarding of vandalism Danaka. But
Speaker 12: can you imagine if they're doing this to the Captain
Speaker 12: Cook statue, what they're going to do to the Daniel
Speaker 12: Andrews statue once that gets erected. Look, I know I
Speaker 12: can only imagine what's going to happen. But in terms
Speaker 12: of the Captain Cook statue, I think the only way
Speaker 12: to look at this is from a libertarian perspective. I
Speaker 12: don't think that rate payers or tax payers should be
Speaker 12: paying for statues or CCTV or security guards to monitor
Speaker 12: these statues. If communities and actual communit and it is
Speaker 12: not World councils want certain statues in their areas, then
Speaker 12: those certain statues should be erected and they should stay.
Speaker 12: And then in five years, ten years time, if they
Speaker 12: want to change the statue, then so be it. But
Speaker 12: I think the purpose of government is not to erect
Speaker 12: statues here and there and spend our money. The purpose
Speaker 12: of government is to make sure that all the bills
Speaker 12: get paid or maybe balance a budget for once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I totally agree.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that money being spent erecting statues
Speaker 3: Willy Nearly is absolutely ridiculous. But I look at it
Speaker 3: from the perspective of this is our this is our history, Linda,
Speaker 3: and I just think bending to the will of vandals
Speaker 3: surely cannot set a good example to the community. I mean,
Speaker 3: vandalize what doesn't align with your political agenda, and oh
Speaker 3: that's okay, no problems, We're going to get rid of it.
Speaker 11: Look, I'm out of local government now, if you know.
Speaker 11: But I'll never not defend out great five hundred and
Speaker 11: thirty seven local governments across the country, each one of
Speaker 11: them very different and doing different things for their different communities,
Speaker 11: but very important. On statues, I think the real question
Speaker 11: is this are the things that we put in our
Speaker 11: public domain representative of our communities. Famously, in the city
Speaker 11: of Sydney, when I was a counselor, I called out
Speaker 11: that there were more statues of birds than there were
Speaker 11: of women. I was wondering around the city one day
Speaker 11: with my teenage son, who kind of looked up and went,
Speaker 11: this is a bit of a sausage party this city.
Speaker 11: It actually obviously really caught on because I moved that
Speaker 11: there be more as statue parity, like I think the
Speaker 11: mayor of this council has said, we don't want to
Speaker 11: tear down historic statues, or in this case, the city
Speaker 11: is seeing such high costs from repeated vandalism that actually
Speaker 11: the mayor's and the council's decision is the best use
Speaker 11: of public money and This is an important consideration that
Speaker 11: councils do need to take into account, is to not
Speaker 11: put the statue back up because it will continue to
Speaker 11: be vandalized. That's a good financial decision the best interests
Speaker 11: of the right payers of this council. I think looking forward,
Speaker 11: we've got to have different statue representations. We can't just
Speaker 11: have handless Yeah, but we've got all these other women
Speaker 11: who are also part of our history who we don't
Speaker 11: know about because they're not in paintings, they're not in
Speaker 11: our history books, they're not in our statues.
Speaker 2: We can't have about community.
Speaker 11: After statue of the same old men.
Speaker 12: Linda, we keep talking about community, and what about if
Speaker 12: these vandals that are so passionate about the community, whether
Speaker 12: they're denying our colonial past, if they actually contributed to community,
Speaker 12: they spend half of the passion they have to vandalize
Speaker 12: actually contributing to supporting women, to supporting youths you know,
Speaker 12: that are at risk, or all those kind of things.
Speaker 12: We're kind of changing this into a topic of let's
Speaker 12: have more statues to balance the books, when in actual fact,
Speaker 12: we have an issue of vandalism here, and we have
Speaker 12: an issue of tax payers and rate payers paying for
Speaker 12: these statues that clearly the community doesn't want. So we
Speaker 12: are conflicting issues in this one.
Speaker 2: It's a tough choice.
Speaker 11: I condemn the vandalism that clearly shouldn't happen. It's not
Speaker 11: in the public interest. But we can't just keep pretending
Speaker 11: that the only significant person in Australia's history is someone
Speaker 11: like Captain Cook. He's significant, but it's not the whole story.
Speaker 11: And we've got to have public art in our public
Speaker 11: spaces that tell the whole of Australia's history, not just
Speaker 11: one part of it.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to move on to other White Council
Speaker 3: news now because Sydney's Council. Sydney Council's reputation as a
Speaker 3: fun police has been reinstated this week as it moves
Speaker 3: to ban large events in public parks and well for
Speaker 3: what reason do you ask, Well, according to Lord Mayor
Speaker 3: Clover Moore, it's due to climate change. Yes, you heard it,
Speaker 3: that old chestnut in an effort to protect grass from damage.
Speaker 3: I mean we've really heard it all now? Is that
Speaker 3: climate change? Willy nilly just gets thrown around at every event.
Speaker 3: A Linda, you're the former Deputy Lord mayor and a
Speaker 3: former counselor of the City of Sydney yourself, what's your
Speaker 3: response to this climate change.
Speaker 11: Well, look, my predecessor, Counselor Ollie Arkins, moved a motion
Speaker 11: to activate these green spaces in the City of Sydney
Speaker 11: to make sure that they were able to have more festivals,
Speaker 11: more fun, more engagement. And I was really sad to
Speaker 11: see that Lord Mayor cloven More voted that motion down.
Speaker 11: I think it is disappointing because the City of Sydney
Speaker 11: should be a place where there's incredible festivals and fun
Speaker 11: and engagement. It creates fun, but it creates jobs, it
Speaker 11: creates economic activation as well. I moved that there'd be
Speaker 11: more green space overall, and I think this is part
Speaker 11: of the problem. You've popped lots more people in Sydney,
Speaker 11: but you haven't opened up more green space. And I
Speaker 11: think that makes it difficult because people want to have
Speaker 11: a vestable but also walk their door and you know
Speaker 11: that they're the advance.
Speaker 2: This is the thing they're Kristen.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're there to be used and now apparently
Speaker 3: they can't be used because of climate change.
Speaker 2: But how do you make sense of that?
Speaker 12: So grass getting damaged. Is climate change?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 12: Is that the main point here, because I think there's
Speaker 12: grounds keepers to be able to maintain grass, or every
Speaker 12: forty year old man at home is probably really obsessed
Speaker 12: with their grass at the moment. But that doesn't sound
Speaker 12: like climate change to me. I think that I've been
Speaker 12: banging on about this forever in a day in terms
Speaker 12: of councils sponsoring or creating these kind of festivals themselves,
Speaker 12: and you know, whether that's a twilight market or a
Speaker 12: street festival or whatever that may be, but then denying
Speaker 12: permits for private businesses and private organizations that want to
Speaker 12: have those events. If they are going to compete with
Speaker 12: those kind of markets, they shouldn't be the ones that
Speaker 12: are responsible for approving those permits, and they should If
Speaker 12: they are responsible for approving those permits, they should be
Speaker 12: goven to a strict criteria. Will it bring economic prosperity
Speaker 12: to the community, will the benefits outweigh the cons of
Speaker 12: the grass getting damaged? And is it an event that
Speaker 12: is worthwhile doing. If they answer yes to all of
Speaker 12: those things, then the permit should be approved. But they
Speaker 12: do need to stop competing with these kind of businesses.
Speaker 2: Can I also just say that.
Speaker 11: I mean, climate change is real, but the City of
Speaker 11: Sydney is a council with a surplus. They can invest
Speaker 11: in drainage that would solve the problem.
Speaker 2: Although it is completely it's a false Well, you know.
Speaker 3: What, maybe Clover Moore actually just needs to get back
Speaker 3: to the basics herself of rates, rubbish and rhads. I
Speaker 3: think that she should really stick to the basics and
Speaker 3: stop driving everybody nuts.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to take a quick break coming up.
Speaker 3: Will you back more with this fight up debate after this, Well,
Speaker 3: welcome back to the program. I'm still here with former
Speaker 3: Labor councilor Linda Scott and libertarian commentator at Kristin Abraham. Now, look,
Speaker 3: let's talk about Anthony Alberne, because he's revealed the vision
Speaker 3: for his second term in government and he has, well
Speaker 3: to the detriment of us, introduced a brand new slogan,
Speaker 3: have a look.
Speaker 13: I think that during the campaign as well, we had
Speaker 13: progressive patriotism if you like, is one way that it's
Speaker 13: been called. You know, we spoke about doing things the
Speaker 13: Australian way.
Speaker 14: He used a really interesting phrase a moment ago, progressive patriotism.
Speaker 14: I'm not sure whether I've heard that from you before?
Speaker 14: Were you conscious of that as a factor through the campaign,
Speaker 14: and is it going to be something that guards you
Speaker 14: now in this second term?
Speaker 13: What's conscious of it?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 3: Progressive patriotism Mark Kristen, Well, there's lots of ways to
Speaker 3: interpret that.
Speaker 2: One is that a good slogan for Olbow to be
Speaker 2: trotting out?
Speaker 12: Look, I'll pay credit where credit is due. I'd rather
Speaker 12: have a united country under labor than a divided country
Speaker 12: under labor. The thing about laboring, what they're really good
Speaker 12: at is they're good at coining phrases. They're good at
Speaker 12: educating voters, and I say educating voters and making them
Speaker 12: care about what they're the new thing that they're trying
Speaker 12: to talk about. It is a good thing that we
Speaker 12: are talking about patriotism. It's sad that we have to
Speaker 12: put the word progressive in front of it because they
Speaker 12: think extremists on either end has ruined that word. But
Speaker 12: my biggest problem here is that the Liberal Party are
Speaker 12: still in the locker room squabbling amongst themselves, and Anthony
Speaker 12: Albinizi is out here changing the narrative and directing the
Speaker 12: people where to go, and we will end up with
Speaker 12: an entrenched Labor government if the Liberal Party don't get
Speaker 12: onto the field very soon.
Speaker 3: No, look, I totally agree on but I think the
Speaker 3: coalition will broadly need to get together pretty quick because
Speaker 3: you could say earlier this week that Anthony Alberanzi the
Speaker 3: team they're trying to move forward, while we've got the
Speaker 3: Libs still trying to get themselves ready. Progressive patriotism, Linda,
Speaker 3: you're a fan of that one.
Speaker 11: Look, I think the Prime Minister is uniting garverning with
Speaker 11: a record majority, the largest majority government Labor has ever
Speaker 11: seen in the history of this country. As the oldest
Speaker 11: political party in Australia. That in itself is remarkable. But
Speaker 11: he's very aware with humility that he's got a job
Speaker 11: to do, and his job is to unite the country
Speaker 11: and deliver the reforms that he's committed to.
Speaker 2: I do think it, though.
Speaker 11: Is a lovely thing for Australians to reflect about what
Speaker 11: makes this place so special. And there are many of
Speaker 11: the things that the Prime Minister spoke about during the campaign,
Speaker 11: Medicare or farm the pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2: Which was a benefit, it was a lie the whole time.
Speaker 11: Making sure that we stand up to the interests of
Speaker 11: the pharmaceutical companies, making sure that we stand up to
Speaker 11: the against the interests of people that want to tear
Speaker 11: apart these great systems, the National Disability Insurance scheme. You know,
Speaker 11: these are great government schemes that well every day.
Speaker 3: So don't even get me started on a couple and
Speaker 3: that is a behemoth scheme that has been blown out
Speaker 3: by all sorts of issues.
Speaker 2: For Aasmelionsact scheme.
Speaker 11: The fact is Australians have voted for these kinds of schemes.
Speaker 11: They've voted for good progressive government in record numbers. We've
Speaker 11: got a coalition that is, you know, still one day
Speaker 11: after the election of their new leader having ministers shadow
Speaker 11: ministers undermine her. They've got Greens that you know, have
Speaker 11: only just come to view about who their leader should be,
Speaker 11: having had three quarters of their party room not re elected.
Speaker 11: You know, the Prime Minister is progressive and a sensible.
Speaker 3: I'm all for patriotism, but I do not believe we
Speaker 3: have seen a lot of patriotism in this country more
Speaker 3: broadly for the last few years, or even since October seven,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. I think that's when a lot of
Speaker 3: issues started here. I'm all for patriotism, but prove it.
Speaker 3: Don't come out and say we're all for patriotism if
Speaker 3: you cannot actually unite this country, and Albo has not
Speaker 3: done that over the last three years. Now, look before
Speaker 3: we go, we've got to go to the US, because
Speaker 3: there are so many things wrong with singing and host
Speaker 3: Jake Tappers and you tell all on the cover up
Speaker 3: of Biden's cognitive decline, starting with the simple.
Speaker 2: Fact that he actually wrote it.
Speaker 3: Because remember when he yelled at Lara Trump for simply
Speaker 3: mentioning Biden's cognitive decline.
Speaker 15: I think you were making a stutter, and I think
Speaker 15: you have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline.
Speaker 15: I would think that somebody in the Plump family would
Speaker 15: be more sensitive to people who do do not have
Speaker 15: medical licenses diagnosing politicians from Afar. Plenty of people have
Speaker 15: diagnosed your father from Afar, and I'm sure it offends you,
Speaker 15: your father in law from a far. I'm sure it
Speaker 15: defends you. You don't have any standing to say.
Speaker 7: Noticing what I'm saying.
Speaker 15: You just talked about a cognitive decline.
Speaker 1: I have one last question for you.
Speaker 6: L You can't im on.
Speaker 2: Stage, and it's very concerning to a lot of people
Speaker 2: that this could be the leader of the free world. Okay,
Speaker 2: that is all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Genus, thank you, La, Sorry for Joe.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Kristin.
Speaker 3: You know, the liberal media now are just coming out
Speaker 3: trying to cover themselves up when they supported Biden the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 12: They showed their true colors on just pushing whatever narrative
Speaker 12: they've been fed rather than actually doing what journalism is
Speaker 12: meant to be. It's sad that Joe Biden will be
Speaker 12: remembered as sleepy Joe compared to his you know, decades
Speaker 12: in politics. But everyone in that administration and his family
Speaker 12: should be held accountable for trying to hide this from
Speaker 12: the American public and then trying to get him re
Speaker 12: elected when they knew they knew he was in cognitive decline.
Speaker 12: And all those journalists should have their jobs re evaluated,
Speaker 12: but they won't because that media is biased.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and I agree.
Speaker 3: I think people like doctor Jill Biden are all culpable
Speaker 3: in this, and they let it go for too long.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we've run out of time.
Speaker 3: Kristin Abrahams and Linda Scott, nice to catch up with you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me. That's it from me.
Speaker 3: Paul will be back in the man Cave on Sunday,
Speaker 3: but stay with us. Up next is a late debate.
Speaker 2: Goodnight,