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Speaker 1: Firstly, though, let's go back to the US, because the

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Speaker 1: polls have closed well in some states and they'll close

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Speaker 1: progressively over the next few hours. But Lanie Anderson, adele journo, author, scriptwriter,

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Speaker 1: you name it, is on the line. She's volunteering for

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Speaker 1: the Harris Waltz campaign. Lanie Anderson, good morning, Hey Matt.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good? Thank you. You're in Arizona. I understand, I am.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like a bit of a fraudy saying

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Speaker 2: on campaign or volunteering for the Harris Walts campaign, because

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Speaker 2: I actually walked into their campaign office in the hunt

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Speaker 2: for a T shirt and then I got talking to

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Speaker 2: them and they said, hey, you want to help us

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Speaker 2: tack some campaign materials? Oh my god, I would love

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Speaker 2: to do that. I didn't even know you could walk

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Speaker 2: in off the street and do it. And so then

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Speaker 2: I just sat there chatting to all these lovely oldies

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Speaker 2: who were talking about how much they want Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: to get beaten today. So I sat there and loved

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Speaker 2: it and lapped it all up.

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Speaker 1: All right, tell me what you think is going to

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Speaker 1: happen today. What's the mood in the US?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm only reading everything they're reading back

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Speaker 2: in Australia as well, which is that Kamala Harris's team

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Speaker 2: feel like they ended pretty strongly, like momentum is with them,

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump has been sort of getting darker and

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Speaker 2: more negative as the campaign sort of came to an end.

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Speaker 2: But I'm really surprised that. The thing that surprised me

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Speaker 2: is that how subdued everything is. I thought i'd arrive

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Speaker 2: over here and everywhere in Tuson because this is one

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Speaker 2: of the big major battleground states with the border like

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Speaker 2: due south, but there are no I've just been for

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Speaker 2: a walk, like an hour long walk to see if

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Speaker 2: I could find some lovely big signage for you and

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Speaker 2: one home out of about fifty sixty how did Trump

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Speaker 2: sign out the front? And apart from that, everyone feels

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Speaker 2: so anxious? Is what the message was yesterday that no

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Speaker 2: one wants to be declaring who they're voting for, so

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't Apart from the big campaign ads on the

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Speaker 2: telly and at major intersections, there are the signs, but

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Speaker 2: like just your normal average homes that it's not passed

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Speaker 2: everywhere like I expected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, all right. So, and Arizona particularly interesting

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Speaker 1: because traditionally a Republican state, lost by Trump at the

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Speaker 1: last presidential election in twenty twenty. Largely, it seems because

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Speaker 1: he bagged John McCain, a former presidential candidate himself, longtime

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Speaker 1: senator and Vietnam War hero. That turned the Arizona man. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: that turned Arizona against Trump, and I think that's one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons anyway, he could have lost Arizona. However,

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Speaker 1: in a lot of polls, it shows he will win

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Speaker 1: the state back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the polls, I think that's the Titans considerably. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, my really is here, so we've got really

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Speaker 2: to have lived here for I don't know, forty years,

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Speaker 2: and and they're Democrats, and so you know what we're

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Speaker 2: hearing is from sort of Democrats really, but that reproduction

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Speaker 2: rights for women is really strong for the lots of

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Speaker 2: the elderly women down this way. But I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: the big argument down here, and that's what Trump reckons

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Speaker 2: he's made huge inroads with across America is the immigration

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Speaker 2: issue that he's gone so hard on. And the ads

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Speaker 2: are just they're so toxic down here about immigrants and

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Speaker 2: being murderers and rapists, and it's just it's all pretty

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Speaker 2: vile really, so you can see why some people would

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Speaker 2: get frightened by it. But he's trying to win back

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Speaker 2: Arizona because it's one he needs to win.

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Speaker 1: So don't forget eating the cats and dogs, I.

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Speaker 2: Know exactly, Like there are so many reasons why I

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Speaker 2: can't believe one person would vote for Donald Trump, Matt.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they say that it's a tight race.

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Speaker 2: But interestingly, yesterday, because this is a battleground state, people

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Speaker 2: many states where people feel powerless because it's not one boat,

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Speaker 2: you know, and you know that's you've got to say,

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Speaker 2: it's just these key battleground states like Arizona. So people

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Speaker 2: will drive all night from California to spend one day

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Speaker 2: That's how desperate people are to feel like they've got

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Speaker 1: In this collection, it's not that far. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: America is the same width of Australia, but of course

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Speaker 1: far more populous, and the states are a lot smaller

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the places like California. You've got to drive

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Speaker 2: we're talking massive, you know, all night drive to get

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Speaker 2: it's just fascinating and people just love. People just want

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Speaker 2: to be feel like they've actually got some power, because

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Speaker 2: I think there's so much anxiety that people and that's

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Speaker 2: what these particularly the elderly women that I was talking

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Speaker 2: to yesterday, they said, I didn't want to sit at

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Speaker 2: home and just feel like I had no power, because

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Speaker 2: you feel powerless. Try and stop this man from ruining

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Speaker 2: our democracy. So that's why they were all sitting there,

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Speaker 2: just stuffing these these packs, getting ready and that it's

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Speaker 2: so it felt so like grassroots and yet sort of

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Speaker 2: from the top. It's so like their algorithms and everything

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Speaker 2: and their databases are so strategic. They were going out

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Speaker 2: today with specific materials on vote day just to people

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Speaker 2: who had registered to vote but hadn't yet voted, and

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Speaker 2: they knew that much.

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Speaker 1: Detail Okay, so that's interesting. They stopped Trump ruining democracy.

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Speaker 1: And this always perplexes me in the arguments. I've got

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Speaker 1: to tell you, lady, to start off with, I don't

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Speaker 1: like either of them, the candidates, but ruining democracy, Now,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you have done that the first time around?

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Speaker 1: If he was going to ruin democracy and do all

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Speaker 1: the other things he's alleged, you know, the Democrat's alleged

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Speaker 1: he's going to do if he wins, Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: have done that the first time?

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Speaker 2: Because he had the people in place in the institutions

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Speaker 2: who refuse to do what he said he's going to do.

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Speaker 2: And this time the argument is that he's going to

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Speaker 2: sack everybody and actually put people in place. And that's

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Speaker 2: what Project twenty five is all about. It.

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Speaker 1: I could have done that the first time, couldn't he.

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Speaker 2: Well, there were people in power of it, well, refuse

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Speaker 2: to resign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, okay, well we'll see, yeah, interesting, we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens. Anyway. I find it fascinating. You can't

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Speaker 1: imagine this in Australia. The White House sealed off with

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Speaker 1: barricades and fencing shops around. Imagine that in Canberra we

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Speaker 1: barricade the lodge or Parliament House because of fears of

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Speaker 1: election unrest. You just can't imagine it in this country.

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Speaker 2: I know. And yeah, that's what strikes me as well.

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Speaker 2: A friend who lived in Washington like ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: There are three more fences permanent senses, not just the

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Speaker 2: ones that are around like at the moment, but three

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Speaker 2: more lots of fencing around the White House. And that's

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Speaker 2: what they call the greatest democracy. So it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: But I definitely think Trump is more dangerous this time

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Speaker 2: that I've got to say.

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Speaker 1: All Right, interesting, we'll see what happens. Lane, really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much Matthew for having me. Bye.

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Speaker 1: Lannie Anderson over in the US from Adelaide