WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 26 June 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:05.080 Late Welcome Late Debate. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.120 Well, it's great to have your company on the Late Debate, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.280 James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand. We've got 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.880 obviously a lot to talk about tonight, with lots happening 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:17.880 around the country. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.520 Later on we'll talk about a politician. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.120 Who's in trouble after running for parliament, all the while 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.720 putting bets on himself to lose the election. We'll talk 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.760 about that later plus when we get to the papers. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.720 Obviously the return of Julia sangj is everywhere as well, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.479 the Victorian government looking at what introducing what amounts to 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:41.320 a death tax, and the Darwin Waterfront is evacuated as 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:46.040 a World War two era Japanese bomb is detonated. We'll 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.840 talk about all of that when we get to the papers. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.760 But the conflict in Gaza looks like it might be 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.080 drawing to a close after nine months of fighting. It 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.040 seems peace is finally on the horizon, not due to 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.400 Joe Biden, Benjaminette, Yahoo or the United Nations, but thanks 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:08.000 to Sydney City Lord Mayor Clover More. Clover Moore has 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.480 decided in her wisdom to review the council's printing contracts 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.640 with Israeli based company Hewitt Packard in a push to 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:20.880 boycott Israeli companies, and she believes this may well be 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.320 the crucial peace that finally brings a resolution. She said, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.000 today leaders must strive to break the cycle of violence 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.360 in this region and ensure that neither Israelis nor Palestinians 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.440 live in fear and at risk of harm or death. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.039 Now more than ever, we must use our voices to 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.720 call for peace. She goes on to say, if the 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:44.080 city's voice in this campaign can put additional pressure towards 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.800 a cease fire and an end to the humanitarian crisis, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.280 then I think we should carefully review our investments and suppliers. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:51.960 So there you have it. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.720 Sydney City Council can't empty bins, can't fill potholes, can 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.800 solve the Ghazan Conflicting. 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.960 The James, I know, I know, I'm detecting a note 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.280 of sarcasm. 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.079 Not at all. I'm so excited by it development. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.679 I have to I think, for the sake of clarity, 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:13.080 we have to. We have to state that you are 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:17.359 being somewhat facetious. Citis the touch Sydney City Council boycotting 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.200 Hewlett Packard won't solve the Middle East peace crisis for 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.960 the precise reason that it's already been solved by Fatima 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.680 payment voting with the Greens in the center. There's no 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.400 crisis left to solve. It's late to the party. What 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:33.880 you're doing. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.840 She's still I mean, she shouldn't need to wait in 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:37.640 she should have been. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.560 There passing emotion, you know, from the river to the sea. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.680 That usually does it, I think, or maybe just hang 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:42.519 out at Sydney UNI. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.600 Aside from the fast set in, Aside from the fact 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.720 that boycotting Israeli companies in protest that the Israeli government 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.480 is trying to rescue their own people who are still 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.600 being held hostages by terrorists, that is not only offensive, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.200 it's just downright evil. But I mean, it's just ridiculous 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.760 that anything Sydney City Council does is going to have 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:04.520 any effect. 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.840 Yeah, of course, and we love to poke finite councils 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.280 engaging in foreign policy, of course, but here we have 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:14.560 a council who's literally essentially creating their own sanctions. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:19.400 Now foreign you guys, sanctions, we do not. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.000 Do business with you. To be clear, this is a 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.400 report in order so to speak that they've commissioned. So 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.840 we'll know whether they actually action it in three months 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.079 when we get a report out of this and we find. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.440 Out boycott Palestinian companies in order to pressure on her 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.080 mask to release the hostages because they said it was 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.360 they were doing it for both Israelis and Palestinians. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.520 Oh, except for maybe the Palestinians don't have anything to 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:47.040 boycott it. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:48.400 What do we buy off them? 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.080 That's right, there's a topic in that on in and 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.320 of itself. But this is history repeating itself because a 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.560 Likehart Counsel did the exact same thing ten years ago. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.920 So again, the Greens and the prog left have not 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.720 been you know, they're not suddenly outraged by what Israel 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.240 has been doing over the last six months. They've been 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.240 after Israel for years and years and years decades in fact, 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.040 and the like Art City Council went like Council in 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.720 Cities in a West when it was run by the Greens, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:19.039 instituted its own BDS program, which is Boycott's divestments and sanctions, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.880 which was part what something the left were going for. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.000 You might remember, like kids were out there protesting against 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.640 Max Brenner. Max Brennan Newtown. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.479 Oh my god, it's by Jews. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.120 Let's protest. So they went out there and you know, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.880 just basically stankd the joint out and then the mayor 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.560 of like our council ran for the state seat of 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.680 Marrickville against Carmel Tebbett, the former Missus Anthony Albanezi and 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.400 lost in an absolute routing. She got absolutely pants and 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.040 that was basically done like a know over there, because 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.200 people back then realized that this was just absolutely insane 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.920 for any local government to be involving itself in any 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.080 foreign policy, let alone one as contentious and problematic as 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.560 this one. And the Jewish community very very grateful, well sorry, 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.680 very very grateful for Carmel Tebbet's stance against the BDS, 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.480 and indeed very very grateful for Anthony Albanese support as well. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.960 And so the Jewish community and anti Albanis actually have 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.480 a history that goes many many years. They get along 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:21.920 much more. 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.279 I'm going to the Jewish community today that was on 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:25.799 their side. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.120 I'm breath. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.200 There are close community links there. 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.360 Keep those shreds of credibility. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:35.960 But obviously the reason why she's doing this as well 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.560 is she's seeking a sixth term in September. So she's 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.640 put her nose in the air, sniff the political will 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.480 of the people, or so she thinks. And even if 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.720 nothing comes of this, people will have seen the headline 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.080 and that's what you're doing it for. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:50.600 Yeah. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:51.240 Absolutely. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.760 Let's go to Victoria where the premier has announced a 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.479 four million dollar eighteen months pill testing trial to begin 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.479 this summer. What the government are going to do is 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.640 create mobile pill testing centers that will go from various 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.720 music festivals to others about ten this summer, as well 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.880 as a fixed pill testing center in the CBD. This 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.039 issue has been bubbling along for quite some time, but 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.600 the Victorian government has finally said we're going to do it. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.480 Have listened to Victorian Premiere Dicenta Allen talking about how 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.880 it was her kids that convinced. 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:27.200 Her that this is a good idea. Have a listener to. 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.240 Agis are they their kids get handed a pill at 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.560 a festival. They want a medical professional who can tell 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.559 them exactly what it is and exactly what it does 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:42.320 without telling them it's safe, No judgment, just facts, honest, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.320 open health focused conversations. That's how we change young people's 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.359 behavior and even reduce drug use, and that's all pill 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.960 testing is about. It doesn't make pills legal, but it 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.080 does keep people safe, so. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.200 That's all it's about. It doesn't make pills legal, it 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.560 just keeps people safe. The only problem is the police 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.880 themselves are quite confused now about what's going to happen 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.880 in music festivals. Should they be checking young people for drugs? 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.720 Should they be standing right back? They're not sure what 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.800 they're supposed to be doing. Have a listen to this 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:21.240 from Police Association Secretary Wayne Gatt. He said, and I 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.960 quote pill testing diminishes the illegality of illicit drug taking 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.040 in a particular area at a particular time, and that 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.600 flies directly in the face of long accepting police practices, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.840 principles rather personal responsibility and the law. 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.000 So it beggars belief is that. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.920 The Victorian government have not consulted with the police so 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.360 that this is clear. A head of the announcement, the 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.760 police are saying, well, currently we conduct drug searches. Should 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:50.400 we no longer do that? Or should we conduct drug 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.320 searchers but sort of not within fifty meters or is 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.080 it one hundred meters of the pill testing center? And 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.800 what if we find drugs on a young person at 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.400 a festival. But they say, oh, I'm on my way 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:00.320 to the pill test. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.640 Oh, they say, look, they've already been tested, so it's 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:04.720 been given real clear. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.000 She'll be right, mate. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.280 He's hit the nail on the head when he says 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:13.120 pill testing diminishes the illegality of illicit drug taking, because 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.320 is it really illicit anymore? Are those drugs really illegal 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.760 when you've got state funded pill testing to ensure that, Hey, it's. 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.560 Aoka if you take this. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:26.920 I've My argument has remained the same on this since 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.120 the dawn of it, and that. 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.680 Is, let natural selection take it's called. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.719 You want to be stupid enough to take drugs, then 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:39.960 you're rolling the dice baby and the strong survive the week, don't. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.120 But how many more kids I just can't believe Justinta 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.240 Allen is even trying on the argument that this will 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:52.440 reduce the use of drugs. Show me one kid who 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.079 once they know well, this thing's safe. I've got state 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.360 funded pill testing on site at my festival, isn't probably 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:01.600 going to give it a go, even if they wouldn't 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.079 have previously. Will be given a false sense of security, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.439 And yeah, the sense of illegality goes out the window. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.680 Also, if you've got a pill and you've got to 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.960 test it and they say no, this one's no good, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.200 wouldn't you just chuck that and then go and find 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.520 another dealer and get another pill. I'm sorry, I've seen 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.679 the light I found Jesus. I'm going to go to 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.840 my first ever outdoor rave sober. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.720 Shouldn't the pill testers be saying that again about every 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.280 drug that comes through their doors because the idea of 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.480 this drug being illegal is that it is bad for you, 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:40.080 It will do a bad things, criminalized. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.280 And don't resk it. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.880 It's really the problem. This is the issue of liability. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.000 What if they go, they get their pill tested, they're 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.880 told yeah, that's safe. Then they take it, but they 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.520 mix it with another drug or they just have a 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.120 bad reaction and something to what happens. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:56.480 Who's at fault. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:02.880 Again these two things. Since the Act first first introduced 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.520 it a couple of years ago, and interestingly Victoria is 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.040 following the Act and Queensland in this trial. And I 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.480 don't know what the test results were for the Queensland pills, 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.559 but judging by tonight's state of origin, performance work can 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.480 work too soon soon too soon, you weren't still raw. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.120 But the firstly, how do you police it? So you 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.560 have to therefore have some kind you have to have 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.560 some kind of amnesty zone sometimes zone where police couldn't 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.240 search people if you were a drug drugs dealers, Chris, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.960 that's exactly where you go. So I don't know how 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.440 that works in practice, and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.080 Maybe the cops is turned a blind eye and pretend. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:40.920 And the other thing is, of course, like you say, 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.920 the libility. Now we've got class actions in Americas. We're 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.040 very fond of talking about it. This show of people 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.920 who have taken a COVID vaccine that's been tested, that's 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.439 had clinical trials, and they've still had an adverse reaction, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.719 and now they're saying, how dare you? How dare you imagine? 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.720 What the what the video? I mean, the kid's going 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.560 to have to sign a waiver to say that, you know, 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:00.600 I won't take any further action if you tell me. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.679 And of course the doctors aren't going to say that 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.959 it's safe. They keep making that clear. No we're not 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.360 going to say it's safe, but we're going to say, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.040 you know, oh, this doesn't have any horse tranquilizer in it, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.800 or it doesn't have it, or it's pure en DNA 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.720 or whatever whatever. But either way, if it's effectively sanctioned, 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.160 then you know, we'll only take the first death after 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.560 a pill has been tested, or the first adverse reaction. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.680 And you know what if the kid becomes a schizophrenic 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.800 by taking. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.160 Of having illegal drugs, is that's right? 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.360 That's right. And again the criminalizing drugs like, not all 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:35.520 of them, but but I'm in favor of what Dominic 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.760 Perrete did, which was divert personal drug use out of 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.079 the system. So drugs are still illegal, so they're not decriminalized, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.920 but if you're court with a small amount just for 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.720 personal use, you get referred in the first instance or 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.520 to treatment rather than clogging up the court system. And 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.959 that was something obviously done by a conservative premier. That 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.079 makes perfect sense. But to have a system where you're 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.360 just going to specifically test pills and leave all other 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.679 illicit drugs out of it and still keep them as 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.120 being illegal just makes no sense to me. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.600 Ellen, in her explanation on Twitter, explained that smart young 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:16.280 people want information, smart young people taking drugs, and. 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.200 That way just making it like no, these are the 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.760 smart ones. You know they're doing their research before they 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:26.360 take this illegal substance. Do me a favor to a 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.640 case now that will literally curl your hair if it's 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:34.480 not already curly. A guy in the Netherlands who is 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:40.160 a convicted rapist is now going to Paris twenty twenty 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:45.000 four Olympics to compete on the international stage. This man 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.920 was a convicted rapist of a twelve year old back 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.000 in twenty and sixteen. At the time, the judge said 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.040 his chances of going to the Olympics were quote a 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.800 shattered dream end quote and that he had quote a 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.200 dark side end quote. Well, yeah, you would have to 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.400 have a dart side to be seven years This girl's 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.120 senior groom her for two years, travel from the Netherlands 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.120 on several occasions to rape her repeatedly in her own 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.440 mother's home while the mother's away. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:21.720 And this child is just twelve years old. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:28.839 This sniveling pile of steaming human fegal matter dares to 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.920 say this. He says, quote, I do want to correct 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.480 all the nonsense which has been written about me. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:36.600 When I was locked up. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.000 I did not read anything of it on purpose, but 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.640 I understand that it was quite bad that I have 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.800 been branded as a sex monster, as a pedophile. P 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:50.760 fact check that that I am not really not. Everyone 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.079 can have an opinion about me, but it is only 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.480 fair if they also know my side of the story. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.959 Buddy, I just told your side of the story. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.600 He served only twelve months in jail, by the way, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.480 he was sentenced with four years, but got out on 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.440 bail after one. And now this guy gets to go 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:16.160 belauded as a famous athlete at Paris twenty twenty four 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.920 the Netherlands. What the hell are you thinking? 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.120 And I'm just going to remake my point. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.880 If we had the death penalty for convicted pedals, as 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.640 I've repeatedly asked for, we wouldn't have this problem. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:29.760 We would have this problem. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:30.920 Yep, yep. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.080 So again I present my case. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.880 I suppose killing people does eliminate a lot of problems. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.920 If you look like that Liz rapist a child, No, 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.640 you would also cause a shortage on the Dutch beach 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.720 volleyball team as well. So you know, literally, they haven't 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.160 got any better than a guy who repeatedly raped a 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:54.400 twelve year old. He is somebody else to bash around 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.280 a volleyball for crying out. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:59.560 Laud I decided the moral question for a moment, there's. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.000 No pudding aside the moral I said from I said, 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:07.280 for a moment, No, why that is? That is? I 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:08.760 didn't see how you have a point, if. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:12.120 What this is all about. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.320 If you allow me to speak, you'll see that I've. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:14.680 Got a point. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.160 Okay, let's see if you do. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.480 There's a legal issue here first and foremost. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.960 If he qualifies for the Olympic Games, and you make 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.640 the Olympic team based on your athletic performance, and there 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.800 is no criteria that says if you are a convicted rapist, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.840 you cannot be selected, and they don't select him even 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.320 though he's qualified, Potentially there's a discrimination issue that will 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.840 just be a legal question before you get to the 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:38.360 moral question. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.119 I'm just pointing out moral. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.520 Questions should first though, Why would you want? 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:46.320 That's an issue? 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:52.560 So should all convicted criminals, no child rape victor pedophiles. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:53.400 If you've done. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:56.640 Petty theft, or you've engaged in fraud, mate play ball, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.360 all you like, if you're the best your country has 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:07.400 got for it, I am talking about child rapists, convicted pedophiles. 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.280 Convicted rapists as well, or just child rapists. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.440 Child rapists? 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:13.720 Should you be allowed to work in the public service? 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:15.880 So if you've had that sort of conviction. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.520 As a child rapist, no, okay, should you be allowed 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:21.960 to what other jobs? 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.360 Should you be barred from? What other once you've served 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.480 your time? Exactly? 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.960 Get my argument twelve months in prison, which is nothing, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.560 and then just live life as if it didn't happen. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.400 My question is, once you start down this track and 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.560 you say someone's been convicted, someone has served their time. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:44.720 They haven't served their time twelve months, your daughter Mac, 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.640 there is no way you would argue this. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.160 Answer me, that would you argue this. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.440 I'd like to finish what I was saying. The fact 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 you only served twelve months is outrageous. But that's a 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.240 legal matter, right, that's down to the judicial system. All 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.800 I'm asking is, if you commit a crime and then 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.680 you found guilty, and then you serve the punishment, how 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.119 long then does society continue to punish you? 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:06.520 Never? 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.080 You never, you never get to be treated just one 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.280 of us, now, No, not when you've committed the most 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.720 heinous crime anyone can possibly People can never reform, No, 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.800 people can never be There have been so many studies 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.400 done showing that pedophiles. No, they can't. They don't even 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.760 believe they're in the wrong. They don't see a problem 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.000 with what you've just convicted of them, them for, locked 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.879 them up for. There is no reformation here. Okay. So no, 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.280 this particular crime that I'm talking about, there is no 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.040 amount of time you can serve whereby you should just 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.879 be let back into the community. And everyone treats you 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:47.280 like it didn't happen. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.840 Screw, and no one's treating him like it didn't happen. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:51.400 Everyone. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.280 I think you're arguing. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:56.240 Advocating for him. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.760 I'm tru you are, Mac, I'm just trying to work 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.679 out how far you would go in that argument. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:07.439 Okay, consistent, So pedophiles should not be able to Anyone 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.080 convicted of child sex offenses should not be able to 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.160 I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, but anyone convictive child 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.640 sexpenses basically shouldn't be allowed to do any anything. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.040 Why should they be? 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.720 Okay, So what do you suggest they do for the 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:22.600 rest of their lives? 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:27.520 Get a job as a factory worker as long as 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:29.320 public service. 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:30.480 Those are leaders. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:32.680 We're talking about leaders in our community. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:39.120 Now, we're talking about people who are the public service 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.399 make decisions on a daily basis. 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.720 There's many, many, many different levels we're talking about. You know, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.320 that's right South Wales. That's right is what is? 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.200 Don't understand what your argument is you answer it since 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.280 you don't seem to think that the lines here line. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.880 So he gets to go to the Olympics, he gets 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.959 to become prime Minister, to be voted. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.360 In my principle, you're. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.640 Arguing that they should just do their time and once 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:09.439 their time is up. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.960 I would argue that if you have committed a crime, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.439 whatever that crime is, we have a judicial system. You 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.440 do the crime, then you serve the punishment, and once 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.880 you've served that punishment, then it says more about society 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:23.639 than it does about that person that we grant that 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.560 person the opportunity to know. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.200 We grant them nothing. You rape the child, we get 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:29.560 to judge you for the rest of your. 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.280 Life and treat you like the absolute piece of stun 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.520 that you are. Period. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.560 Is this just because he's Dutch? Because I find them 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:39.119 pretty annoying. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.359 I love the Duchies. Yeah, no, I've always gotten like 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:43.480 a house on fire with the Dutch. 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.080 All right, shall we go to the United States? 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.200 Wait a minute. No, No, we haven't answer my original question. 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.879 Were they actually beaches in Holland. 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:53.359 They got to do with anything? 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:00.960 I thought they just had like insane clogs. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.879 Does it really matter they just practice insane. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.439 It just goes to show how good he really is. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.760 Wow, I'm to signing you know anyone about Joe? 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.080 All right, let's go to the US. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.520 Remember back in twenty twenty where Hunter Biden's laptop was 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.560 causing all sorts of controversy, and then just in time 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.040 for the second and final presidential debate, Joe Biden was 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:27.240 handed a letter whereupon fifty one former US spies signed 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.720 that letter saying that the laptop and the contents connecting 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.359 Joe Biden with his son's business dealings, well, it was 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.800 all misinformation, disinformation, It wasn't to be trusted, and effectively 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.840