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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Fitzi and whipp A podcast.

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Speaker 2: I always love getting these two boys in. They are

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Speaker 2: the crime reporters from the Daily Telegraph. They've got a

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Speaker 2: brand new is this a podcast series.

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Speaker 3: A video series? Wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cutting edge mos.

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Speaker 3: It's Mons and Josh. Thanks for coming in. Boys.

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Speaker 2: We've got you on boys about some feuding families around Sydney.

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Speaker 3: But your new one, the war young Blood.

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Speaker 2: Is this should be worried. Be worried about this with

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Speaker 2: some of the young gangs that are hanging around Sydney.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, I.

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Speaker 1: Said to Josh, I said, I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: gang wars I've covered, but this is ten times more

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Speaker 1: important because these are young teenagers that are dead on

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Speaker 1: our streets. These aren't guys that have made a life

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Speaker 1: choice to go out and be gangsters and die by

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Speaker 1: the gun. These are guys that have just been caught

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Speaker 1: up in a stupid postcode war or little gang mentality

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Speaker 1: and they're dying.

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Speaker 3: It's just like the young fellow who got stabbed at

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Speaker 3: the Royal Easter Show.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that is what's really kind of been the

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Speaker 1: launching pad for us to really to delve into it.

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Speaker 1: A little bit more in the shopping center. No, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but what about the guy at.

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Speaker 4: The shopping center?

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Speaker 3: It was up in Brisbane? Was that Brisban? Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: that was confronting that Visuon was horrific.

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Speaker 4: He couldn't believe he'd been stabborn and there was just

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Speaker 4: blood coming from his neck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's everywhere. Spoke to a guy, a former New

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Speaker 1: South Wales cop who's lived with the Bloods in the

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Speaker 1: cryps and he said, these kids don't know what a

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Speaker 1: knife can do, so they go with a quick jab

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Speaker 1: and they've they've hit an artery and the guy's bled

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Speaker 1: out in three Do you know.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting to me? We think about this because we

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Speaker 4: were talking about this. In Victoria, they have an issue

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Speaker 4: as well with gangs and young gangs. One school in particular,

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Speaker 4: thirty five teachers and staff have resigned because of the

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Speaker 4: behavior in the schoolyard. So it's a huge issue and

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Speaker 4: the parents are putting it down to COVID, the fact

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Speaker 4: that they've been locked up and now they're getting together

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Speaker 4: and they're all running an absolute muck and one thing

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Speaker 4: has grown and developed into another thing and the next

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Speaker 4: thing you know, it's what you said, Moz which is

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Speaker 4: the postcard.

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Speaker 1: The world wars. Yeah, well, Josh, you went out there

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Speaker 1: and spoke to these guys. And I always thought these

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Speaker 1: gangs started mid teens. He said that. The guys told

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Speaker 1: you didn't. He said, starts in primary school. They start

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Speaker 5: But I guess, like you know, when I was a youngster,

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Speaker 5: you joined the footy club because your mate's older brother

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Speaker 5: we did when where I grew up in the bush.

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Speaker 5: But for these kids, it's about joining the gangs. I'll

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Speaker 5: get picked up in the afternoon from school and the brothers,

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Speaker 5: you know, car and then they go off and think Jesus.

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Speaker 5: And one of the biggest issues is that, and it's

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Speaker 5: the reason that this is so dominant in Western Sydney

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Speaker 4: Of course, have something.

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Speaker 5: It almost provide for their families from a young age,

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Speaker 3: The bike. He's targeting these guys like grooming.

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Speaker 1: They're victims, are they Well, they see these guys as

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Speaker 1: And they're doing that and they'll see a guy who,

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Speaker 1: And we've even you know, Josh has gone down and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we've spoken about it with you boys before.

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Speaker 5: It was the shooting at the gym in Prospect where

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Speaker 5: Now police have charged a number of people over that,

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Speaker 5: but two blokes who they alleged with the shooters actually

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Speaker 3: Is scary and really nerve wracking.

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Speaker 2: Do we go to the other end of the scale here,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, these are young criminals that are starting

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Speaker 2: over this. But the hardened criminals that always have this

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Speaker 2: Because I just read an article recently about three blokes

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Speaker 3: These boys have done time before.

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Speaker 1: Was the Grandpa gangsters? Yes, the Kevin Theobald particularly was

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Speaker 1: a guy involved in the Gangland Wars of the eighties,

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Speaker 1: you know, was never really reported back then. He was

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Speaker 1: telling me about a wild shootout. He said, they literally

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Speaker 1: lean out of carsgame bang bang bang, you know, shooting.

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Speaker 1: But he he's just an institutionalized cream And you just

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Speaker 1: see these guys. They just can't help themselves.

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Speaker 4: Right, they think they're above the law, or that they've

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Speaker 3: And it's not that bad going.

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Speaker 1: In well with Theobald, I actually know he's now just

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Speaker 1: been given a maximum of eight right, he'll do that

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Speaker 1: standing on his ear. He's a bit sick.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I've had some people that have spoken to him says,

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Speaker 1: oh mate, it's not too bad in here.

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Is it also that they don't know anything else in

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Speaker 2: their lives? It's not like they can go get a

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Speaker 2: normal job. Is that what they think that themselves was?

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Speaker 2: And they say, well, this is the only thing I

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Speaker 1: As I said, they just get into this. This is

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Speaker 1: it is their life and they see this as their

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Speaker 1: as well. That's part of it. The guys they meet

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Speaker 1: in they become very close to them.

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Speaker 3: Do you know John Killick. You've ever heard that name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, We had.

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Speaker 3: Him on the show once. This was about a year ago.

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Speaker 1: The greatest escapes ever beats Steve McQueen.

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Speaker 2: This is John Killick and he was talking on the

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Speaker 2: show about trying to get out of silver Water.

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Speaker 3: I escaped from silver Water Jail.

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Speaker 5: My girlfriend at the time she come and got me

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Speaker 1: They didn't land.

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Speaker 3: It was hobbed about a and a half from the ground.

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Speaker 3: I ran and jumped in and got in and it

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Speaker 3: was the wrong thing to do and we regret it now,

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Speaker 3: but at the time it's seen a pretty.

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Speaker 5: Good idea store.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was these seventies as well and still

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Speaker 3: having a crack. Oh mate.

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Speaker 1: He's a well known arm pulled up bloke way back

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Speaker 1: when and yeah, and that escape.

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Speaker 2: Is just there.

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Speaker 3: Much of that that goes on. We get it every

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Speaker 1: I remember we used to be out at Long Bay

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Speaker 1: every week. Just while I was waiting to catch the

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Speaker 1: blokes that have just got out, there's a hole on

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Speaker 1: the fence and the us to get undergo and have

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Speaker 1: some beers and go back in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, in the old.

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Speaker 1: Days, I hate you, I really do. There would be

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Speaker 1: sometimes up to one hundred escapes a year, hearing me regularly.

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Speaker 1: Now they've got really good at keeping them inside, which

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Speaker 1: is a really good thing. That's why they made them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Shrike False Raptor has been a huge success, you think, yeah, yes, massive.

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Speaker 5: Well I was down in Victoria recently and I saw

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Speaker 5: a bloke riding along in a Rebels cut and I

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Speaker 5: had to do a double take because you never see

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Speaker 3: You can't. You can't get that here at all anymore.

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Speaker 1: Used used to drive up Sunday Drive to go up

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Speaker 1: to Gosford and go to the Oak to get a milkshow, yes,

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Speaker 1: and you'd see twenty forty bikings, you know, and like

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Speaker 1: you're a kid, and you what you don't see that anymore. Ever,

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Speaker 1: they don't wear their colors.

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Speaker 3: I tell the story on this show.

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Speaker 2: When I was younger, we went to Ardrossen for a

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Speaker 2: family holiday and we were at the Ardrossen Hotel having

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Speaker 3: There was this huge noise shaking.

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Speaker 2: Of what's going on, and all the local gypsy jokers

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Speaker 2: had rocked up, and there would have been about sixty

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Speaker 3: It looked like good old Claire.

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Speaker 2: I can remember there was this moment where I was like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what's Dad going to do here? And

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Speaker 2: I looked over to see what Dad's reaction was under No,

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Speaker 2: Dad was walking out in the front. We're not a

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Speaker 2: good run anyway, grab you. I really love guys.

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Speaker 4: And one of them still comes around for Christmas.

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Speaker 6: There was three of the hell that little brother now

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Speaker 6: you should meet him, the greatest father of no mos. Josh,

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Speaker 6: thank you very much for coming in the war, Young Blood.

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Speaker 6: The Daily Telegraph. It's the new video series. You can

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Speaker 6: go get it at the Daily Telegraph website. There we

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Speaker 6: appreciate your time, boys.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks very much. Thanks guys, great work.

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