WEBVTT - Mushroom Cook: Erin faces mushroom grilling 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.800 I suggest you weren't very very helpful to the department 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.160 at all. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.440 I was trying to be that was untrue, incorrect. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.160 In fact, you sent them on a wild goose chase 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.720 trying to locate this Asian grocer correct or incorrect, incorrect. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.920 Accused mushroom cook killer Aaron Pattison face Crown Prosecutor Nannette 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.240 Rodgers in the witness box again today. Virtually every claim 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.240 that Aaron made about the mushrooms at the center of 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.560 this case was put under the microscope, from her evidence 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.600 that she was a forager, to a story about dried 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.239 mushrooms from an Asian grocer, to the phone records that 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.479 suggested she traveled to locations where death caps had been sighted. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.519 The exchanges between the two came in thick and fast, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.480 and will break them all down today. I'm Brooke Greebert Craig, 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:56.920 and this is the mushroom cook. We've reached day thirty 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.920 of Aaron Patterson's murder trial, and as always I'm joy 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.640 by my colleague court reporter Laura Ploseller. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.640 Today almost feels like a milestone day thirty and it 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.960 was also Erin's seventh day in the witness box, so 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.600 She's had three days so far of evidence in chief 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.400 and this was her fourth day of cross examination. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.959 As I mentioned in the intro, there was a lot 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.280 of questions around mushrooms today, so let's get into it 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.280 and start with the topic of foraging. The prosecution accused 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.480 Erin of not having an interest in it. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.360 Erin denied that she lied about having an interest in foraging. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.640 To explain how wild mushrooms ended up in her beef 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.080 Wellington meal last week, Erin told the jury that she 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:44.200 started foraging for mushrooms around twenty twenty during the COVID lockdowns, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.160 and spoke about becoming more confident when foraging after doing 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.080 some research and getting to a point where she felt 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.400 like she could eat some of the mushrooms she had picked. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.960 But today doctor Rogers suggested that Erin did not have 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.080 this interest in foraging, and brought her to the book 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.880 located by police during the search at her house on 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:07.280 August five and later cataloged. She said police found more 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.600 than four hundred books, and Aaron agreed today that probably 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.280 none of those books were on foraging. She did add, though, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:16.800 that at the time of the search she had hundreds 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.320 more books in her garage that she was yet to 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:20.720 unpack after moving. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.560 Doctor Rodgers then took Erin to the evidence of her children, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.799 who told investigators that they did not recall picking mushrooms 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.079 with their mum. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.160 Erin was taken today to the pre recorded evidence of 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.280 her children where they were asked these specific questions around foraging. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.040 Doctor Rogers then suggested to Erin that her children never 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:45.680 knew her to pick wild mushrooms, but Erin disagreed. After that, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.720 doctor Rogers went on to say, this is a story 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.760 you have made up for this jury. Agree or disagree. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:53.840 Erin disagreed with that statement. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.640 Moving on now, Doctor Rodgers suggested to Erin that she 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.840 traveled to Locke on April twenty eight, eight, twenty twenty three, 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.640 and lock An Outram on May twenty two, and this 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.080 was to find deathcap mushrooms after they were cited on 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.640 citizen website I naturalist. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.519 Doctor Rogers was relying on the evidence of digital forensics 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:20.400 expert Dr Matthew Cerell to make these suggestions. Earlier in 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.639 the trial, doctor Cerell told the court that he examined 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.960 Erin's phone records and concluded that she made possible visits 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.920 to these areas on those dates. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.560 Let's start with the possible visit to lock. On April 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:34.600 twenty eight. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.280 Doctor Rogers suggested to Erin that she traveled to Locke 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.720 from Lee and Gatha on this day after she saw 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:46.560 an ironaturalist post by Christine McKenzie on April eighteen, ten 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.040 days earlier that said there were deathcap mushrooms growing in 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.280 a reserve in Locke. This was not the only suggestion 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:58.119 Doctor Rogers made to Erin. Here's their exchange today. It's 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.920 their words, but not their voices. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.320 I suggest you drove to Locke from your house at 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.120 Leongatha to specifically find death cap mushrooms on the twenty 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.600 eighth of April. Disagree, and I suggest that you found 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.960 some Agree or disagree? Disagree, And I suggest that within 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.080 two hours of finding those death cap mushrooms you drove 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.320 to the Hartley Wells Better Home Living in Leongatha and 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:25.120 bought yourself a dehydrator at twelve seventeen PM. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.599 I did buy that that day, yes. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.160 And the purpose of buying the dehydrator was to dehydrate 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.000 death cap mushrooms. Agree or disagree? 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.200 Disagree. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.960 Doctor Rogers then suggested that on April thirty, two days 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.719 after traveling to Locke that Erin practiced by dehydrating button 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:48.120 mushrooms from Woolworth's. The jury was shown a photo extracted 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.000 from Erin's tablet that showed button mushrooms on a dehydrated tray, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.320 before another photo was shown of yellow tinged mushrooms on 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:01.000 a similar tray. Doctor Rogers claimed that rain was practicing 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.720 so she would not waste the death caps she had 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.560 just found, since she wanted to preserve them. She went 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.839 on to suggest that the yellow tinged mushrooms were the 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.839 death caps themselves, but Erin denied that she was practicing, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.200 saying she dehydrated the button mushrooms to simply eat them. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.880 Erin was then asked about another possible visit her phone 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:27.400 made to lock on May twenty two. Doctor Rogers put 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.560 to Erin that she went back to this reserve because 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.599 she thought there might have been more deathcap mushrooms growing 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.480 at the location that Miss Mackenzie had previously geotagged. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.560 Erin was then taken to doctor Sorel's evidence about another 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.200 possible visit her phone made on May twenty two, but 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:48.880 this time to Outram. This was one day after an 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.440 i naturalist post by doctor Tom May, where he reported 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.400 seeing death cap mushrooms growing in the area. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.280 I suggest that you traveled from lean Gather to Outrim 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.640 on twenty sive second of May twenty twenty three. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:02.520 No, I didn't. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.120 I suggest you went to Nielsen Street in Outram correct 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.880 or incorrect incorrect. I suggest that you had read Dr 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.840 Tom May's post dated twenty first of May twenty three 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.840 of his sighting of deathcap mushrooms in Nielsen Street, Outram 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.080 on the Eye Naturalist website. Agree or disagree? 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:22.120 Disagree. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.000 I suggest that you went to Nielsen Street in Outrim 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.920 looking for the death cap mushrooms as posted by Dr 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.080 Tom May. Agree or disagree, disagree, and that's why your 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:36.920 phone was I suggest stationary between approximately eleven twenty four 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.279 am and eleven forty one am. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:40.000 Disagree. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.760 Do you agree that you had no legitimate reason to 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.920 travel to Outram on twenty second of May twenty twenty three. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.240 No, I don't agree with that. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.640 On another topic, let's talk about the Asian grosser. The 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.200 jury has previously heard that Aaron told officials that she 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.880 had used mushrooms from Wolworths and dried mushrooms from an 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.159 Asian groser in the beef Wellington dish, but doctor Rodgers 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.680 suggested to Erin that she never bought mushrooms from an 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.680 Asian grocer in April twenty twenty three and did not 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.840 use them in the mill. Aaron denied both of these claims. 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.480 She spoke today about not having a distinct memory of 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.880 the purchase, but remembered buying them in April around the 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.520 school holidays. She then went on to say that she 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:30.040 dehydrated these dried mushrooms at some stage because they appeared 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.600 rubbery and she wanted to make them crispier. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.240 Doctor Rogers then suggested to Aarin that she was deliberately 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.440 vague when she was asked by officials about the suburb 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.160 of the Asian grocer. She said Aaron was familiar with 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.760 Mount Waverley and the adjoining areas such as glem Waverley, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.000 Oakley and Clayton. This was because Aaron owned a property 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.720 in Mount Waverley and previously worked for the Monash City Council. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.440 I suggest you're very familiar with Mount Waverley correct or incorrect, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.520 incorrec I suggest that you're also familiar with the adjoining areas, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:07.160 which include Glen Waverley, Oakley, and Clayton correct or incorrect. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.440 I'm familiar with them, yes. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.240 And yet you're unable to tell any person with any 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.480 degree of certainty where it was that you purchased these 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.640 dried mushrooms. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:17.640 That's correct. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.920 In fact, I suggest that you were deliberately vague about 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.800 the suburb when you were asked about it. Correct or incorrect, incorrect. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.760 Your story kept changing, I suggest I don't think it did. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.280 Your description of the packaging kept changing. I suggest I 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.559 don't think it did. And that's because the Asian grosser 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.400 story was a deliberate lie. Correct incorrect. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.760 Doctor Rogers then took Erin to a record of interview 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.160 where she told detectives that she had been very helpful 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:50.200 during the Department of Health's investigation. But doctor Rogers suggested 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.040 to Erin today that she had not been very helpful. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.160 Our listener's heard part of this exchange at the top 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.680 of the episode, but here's more of what was said. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.280 In fact, you you sent them on a wild goose 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.400 chase trying to locate this Asian grosser correct or incorrect, incorrect. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.319 Initially you were not very responsive to the Department of Health. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:10.760 I think that's been your evidence. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.040 No, it's not my evidence. The first time she rang me, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.480 I answered and spoke to her for fifteen minutes. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.679 The first on first of August twenty twenty three at 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.760 eight thirty three am. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:20.400 Correct. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:22.520 But then you didn't respond to some of the other 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:23.439 texts correct. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.880 Correct. And I think we have established why that was already. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.520 And I suggest that the reason that you didn't answer 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.240 some of those texts from her was because you didn't 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.959 want to be pressed for details about the Asian grosers. Incorrect, 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.200 because that story was not true. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:38.840 Incorrect. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.280 It was a lie that you used dried mushrooms from 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.120 an Asian grosser correct or incorrect. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:43.679 Incorrect. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.640 You lied about the source of the death cat mushrooms 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.599 because you knew you were guilty of having deliberately poisoned 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:50.800 your four lunch guests. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:51.400 Incorrect. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.760 Okay, let's move on. Aaron was asked about the beef 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.520 Wellington recipe she followed in a best selling recipe Tin 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.800 Eats cookbook. The recipe called for seven hundred grams of 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.160 sliced mushrooms. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.319 Erin was then taken to a Woolworth's transaction history that 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.840 indicated that she bought a kilo of sliced mushrooms on 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.600 July twenty three, and another seven hundred and fifty grams 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.640 on July twenty seven, two days before the lunch. Erin 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.440 disagreed that by July twenty nine she had all of 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.120 these mushrooms still in her kitchen. She said only seven 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.280 hundred and fifty grams remained. Doctor Rogers asked her where 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.760 the other kilo of mushrooms went, and Erin replied, I 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.000 ate them. She then suggested to Erin that she had 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.480 no need to use any additional mushrooms outside those she 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.640 had bought from Woolworths, considering she had more than the 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.920 recipe required. But Erin last week told the court that 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.040 she added the mushrooms into the paste that would be 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.880 used to cover the meat because she said it tasted 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.160 a little bland. She told the court that she grabbed 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.880 the dried mushrooms from the Asian grosser from her pan 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.800 that she had put in a container. She explained that 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.199 she chopped them up and then sprinkled them over the 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.320 mushroom paste. At the time, she said she only believed 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.080 the dried mushrooms were in that container, But she told 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.080 the jury last week that in the days after the lunch, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.520 she started to think there was a possibility there were 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.720 foraged mushrooms in that container as well. Erin had previously 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.520 described the dried mushrooms as pungent, but she disputed today 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:32.440 that they were too overpowering for the beef wellington. She said, 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.120 I thought it was the perfect dish for them. 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.840 Doctor Rogers also took Erin to her testimony that her 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.200 children ate leftovers of the beef wellington for dinner on 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.240 July thirty, and this is the day after the lunch 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.000 Aaron told the jury last week she prepared a six 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.200 beef wellington, which she said she gave to her children 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.360 after scraping off the mushrooms and pastry and leaving the steak. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.880 Doctor Rogers then suggested to Erin that she lied about 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.840 her children eating the steak of the six beef wellington. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.880 I suggest that you told well over a dozen people, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.840 including your son and daughter, health professionals, child protection workers, police, 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.360 and a friend, that you had fed your children the 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.720 same meal that you had served at lunch on twenty 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.440 ninth of July twenty twenty three. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.280 Oh, I was pretty clear it was the meal minus 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.679 the mushrooms and pastry, so not the same. But yes, But. 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.040 Isn't it the fact that on Sunday, the thirtieth of 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.200 July you found out at least Don and Gail were unwell. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.079 Yes, I did find out about that. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.679 So why did you proceed to feed the same meal 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.560 to your children when you knew or suspected that the 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.600 meal that you'd served had made them ill? 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.880 I didn't. I don't know or suspect that. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.000 Your son gave evidence in his recorded interview that you 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.640 told him that Gail and Don were not well. Do 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:48.680 you remember that evidence? 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:49.280 I do. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:50.640 You told that to your son. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.480 I'm sure I did on Sunday night. I don't know 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.720 when on the Sunday or I don't know when I 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.400 told him that, but I did tell him. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:01.280 Doctor Rogers had more questions for or they accused about 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.080 the leftovers. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.439 You repeatedly told police you had scraped the mushrooms off 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.760 in an attempt to explain why the children were not sick. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:10.160 Agree or disagree. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.680 I don't think I've repeatedly told them, but I did 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:13.080 tell them. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.880 You told a number of people you had scraped the 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.520 mushrooms off, correct, correct, And I suggest that was an 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.480 attempt to explain why your children were not sick. No, 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.560 you told the lie about feeding leftovers from the beef 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.839 Wellington to your children. I suggest because it gave you 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.240 some distance from a deliberate poisoning. 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.280 I don't see how it could, but I disagree anyway. 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.440 Finally, the topic moved away from mushrooms and to the 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:41.840 issue of Erin's gastric bypass surgery. What did the jury 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.080 hear about that today? 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:47.160 Laura Erin previously testified that she had a pre surgery 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.240 appointment at the Enridge Clinic in Melbourne on September thirteen, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.680 twenty twenty three, but yesterday the jury heard that the 0:13:54.720 --> 0:14:01.120 clinic specializes in cosmetic dermatology and doesn't offer gastric bypass surge. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.840 Doctor Rogers peppered Errand with questions after she was provided 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.600 with a record from the clinic. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.600 Firstly, do you accept that the Enriched Clinic does not offer, 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.559 and has never offered, gastric bypass surgery? 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:13.960 Yes? 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.760 Secondly, do you accept that the Enriched Clinic does not offer, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:21.560 and has never offered pre surgery assessments relating to gastric 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:22.520 bypass surgery? 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.040 I do. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.840 And Thirdly, do you accept that the Enriched Clinic only 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.240 conducts examinations and procedures relating to the skin and its 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.720 appendages such as hair and nails. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.840 I do to finish off, It's safe to say the 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.800 jury got their steps in today, didn't they, Laura. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.880 Yeah, they really did. This afternoon when doctor Rogers was 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.800 continuing her cross examination, there were certain questions that got 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:52.000 asked that led to objections by defense barrister mister Mandy. 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.840 The jury have become accustomed to this idea of once 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.880 an objection is raised, there might need to be a 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.400 discussion in their absence between the parties and Justice Christopher Beale, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.400 and that happened quite a few times today. So they 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.600 were in and out of the courtroom a few times, 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.040 and I think on one occasion they'd only been in 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.400 their seats for about a minute or two before they 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.880 were asked to leave again, which did prompt some laughs 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:15.680 from the courtroom. 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.600 Yes it did. And Aaron will be back in the 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.600 witness box tomorrow, so stay tuned for our episode then, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.120 but for now, go to the mushroomcook dot com dot 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.360 au to stay updated on the case.