WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 February 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:07.680 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.160 Donald Trump withdrawals funding from UNRA after meeting with Benjamin Natanyahu. 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.800 Would Peter Dutton do the same. His new Foreign Affairs 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:22.560 Shadow minister joins me tonight. Transport Minister Joehlen resigns overtaking 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:27.280 taxpayer funded chauffeurs to wineries. There's now pressure on Housing 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.240 Minister Rose Jackson. I'll speak about this scandal with Bronwyn 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.600 Bishop and Holly Hughes. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:34.000 Also it's tonight. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.600 A former AFP senior commissioner questions why the government isn't 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.360 cracking down on Islamic terror and only neo Nazis. He'll 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.680 join me on the show live. Plus we'll look at 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:51.400 how the core claim in Antoinette Latoufe's case perpetuates a 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:56.760 dangerous anti Semitic trope about Jews controlling the media. This 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.520 is Aitabachos's private emails about two are read in court. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.760 Aaron Patrick will be on the show, but first tonight. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:10.640 Peter Dutton is channeling Ronald Reagan's famous challenge to Jimmy 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.800 Carter in nineteen eighty. The times have changed, but the 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:19.880 issues remain the same. Ronald Reagan in the presidential debate 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:27.520 forty five years ago, asked voters these very simple questions, Are. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.440 You better off than you were four years ago? Is 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.480 it easier for you to go and buy things in 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.640 the stores than it was four years ago? 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:42.520 Those questions help deliver Reagan a landslide victory because the 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.600 most critical issue to any voter at any time is 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:52.200 providing for their family and their families prosperity and security. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:57.360 That never changes and it's what this upcoming federal election 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.800 boils down to as well or Peter Dutton today called 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:06.920 on the Prime Minister to apologize to Australians for breaking 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:10.560 his premise that they'd be better off under his government. 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.679 My questions to the Prime Minister. Under this week Alberanzi 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.440 Labor government, interest rates have increased twelve times, energy bills 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.480 have risen by one thousand dollars, living standards have collapsed, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:25.040 twenty seven thousand businesses have gone and solvent, and we're 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.200 in a record breaking household recession. Will the Prime Minister 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.640 now apologize for promising Australians they would be better off 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.640 and admit that they can't afford another three years of 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.840 this week Albanzi Labor government. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.799 Of course, there was no apology. There never will be. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.680 Now there's no question that in focus group research, cost 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.720 of living is the top issue all day, every day, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.560 and on this topic, Alberzi has breached the trust of 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.720 Australian voters last election. As you know, he made solving 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.120 the cost of living crisis his camp pain mantra. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:06.440 Costive living increases, costive living, costive living pressures, living living, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.040 cost of living, the cost of living, cost of living, 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.120 cost of everything, living, cost of living issues. Bear in 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.200 mind the cost of living pressures. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.960 Albanese's squarely blamed Scott Morrison for the cost of living crisis, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.280 despite the fact at that point in time there'd only 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.560 been a single rate rise. Yet now that he's Prime 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.320 Minister and there's been a dozen rate rises during his 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.639 time in office, he takes no responsibility. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.280 Now, this is illogical. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.200 It was Morrison's fault back then, but it's not Albanese's 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.360 fault now. Before the last election, Albaneze promised a new 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.920 era of transparency and he pledged to own up to 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.080 his mistakes and. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.560 If I get something wrong, I'll line up to it. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.840 Yet have we seen him own up to anything just 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:03.160 one thing, of course, not it's always someone else's fault, 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.040 especially the cost of living crisis, which is because of 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:12.040 overseas factors the Middle East War, Ukraine and now Donald Trump. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:18.000 No one mentioned homegrown inflation, and Albanezi wouldn't answer either 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.320 of these. Following questions today in Parliament. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.000 Prime Minister, by what percentage has the cost of food 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.560 increased since the election of the Abeneze Labor government. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.520 Can the Prime Minister provide a single example of an 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.120 Australian family that has received a two hundred and seventy 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.599 five dollars cut to their power bill as was promised 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.320 before the last election nearly one hundred times. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.880 The Prime Minister just hopes these questions will all go 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:52.560 away if he keeps. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.119 Insisting that everything is looking great. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.440 Optimism, as I told you last night, is his new phrase. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.600 We do need hope and we need optimism, and as 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.800 we begin the parliamentary year, that's precisely what I have. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.240 Optimism for the year ahead and optimism that we can 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.960 create a better future for Australia. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:20.520 But voters aren't feeling so optimistic. Families are feeling the pain, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.279 which is cumulative. The Albenzi government is well aware the 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.120 cost of living crisis is the single most critical issue. 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.520 To mainstream Australians. 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.560 It's why Albinizi is desperate for a rate cut, and 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.880 if he gets one at the next RBA board meeting, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.640 it may prompt him to call the election. The RBA 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.160 meets on the eighteenth of February and the first of April, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:48.000 and then again in late May. Economist Judith Sloan wrote 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.200 last week that despite Albanesi and Charmers saying they respect 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.039 the independence of the RBA, a lot of nudging has 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.919 been going on for some time. She writes, when Chalmers 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.520 declared last year that high interest rates were smashing the economy, 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.120 he was in effect telling the bank what to do, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.200 and here was Charmers making that very point. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:17.159 The combination of global economic uncertainty and higher interest rates 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:20.839 is smashing household budgets and slowing our economy considerably. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.919 Now that might have been a subtle hint, but some 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.520 current and former labor politicians and also union leaders have 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.920 been far more direct. As rates rose over the past 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:33.680 couple of years. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.680 We're outside the Reserve Bank of Australia today, and that's 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.160 because working people are urging them to cut interest rates. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.080 Now we have headline inflation right in the middle of 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.400 the RBA's target band, which gives them maximum room to 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.920 move in terms of bringing interest rates down. Of course, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.679 that decision is up to the independent Reserve Bank. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.160 The Reserve Bank is putting economic dogma over rational economic 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:03.680 decision making hemmering households, hemmery mums and dads with higher rates, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.600 causing a collapse in spending and driving the economy backwards. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.240 Now, the rates decision by the RBA in February and 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.120 April will put its. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.560 Independence to the test. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.560 It's thinking reflected through the board minutes will be under 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.920 the spotlight. There's no question Michelle Bullock is under considerable 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.480 pressure to bring down rates before the election. She's Labour's 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.880 appointee after all, and there's a lot writing on this 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.080 rates decision. As far as the Prime Minister is concerned, well, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.360 he thinks it could mean the difference between him winning 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.760 or not. But even if the rates come down and 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.960 Albanezi promises life will be more affordable, well, who would 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.960 believe him this time? He's like the boy who cried Wolf. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.440 He's lost the trust of voters. Yet Albinizi keeps insisting 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.120 privately and publicly that he's on track to win government, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:07.520 despite the polls clearly trending in Dutton's direction. The Australians 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.880 Jeff Chambers wrote that the Prime Minister is immersed in 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.160 self belief. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.960 Well, I'd call it self delusion. 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.760 Like with the Voice, he thought Australians loved him and 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.880 loved his vision, but they rejected him, and they rejected 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.080 the Voice. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.920 This election is a repeat. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.959 Albanesi is insisting that voters really like him, they think 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.840 he's a nice guy, even as they desert him and 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:42.360 his weak leadership. In truth, Albanzi has no reason to 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.280 be confident. When he won the election last time, it 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.360 was with one of Labour's worst primary votes in Australian history, 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.920 despite the chaos of the coalition era, and Labour's appeal 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:01.320 has only catapulted since then, and Albanzi's his own personal. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:02.720 Appeal is at its lowest level. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:08.160 His net favorability is as low as Scott Morrison's was 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.560 prior to the twenty twenty two election. As the polls show, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.679 and as we all know anecdotally, the momentum is now 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.280 in Dutton's favor and he is feeling Peter Dutton cautiously 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.880 optimistic while acknowledging the hard road ahead. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.840 I am ready for the election. I believe it'll be tough, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.760 It'll be always hard for it, but I do believe 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:36.600 that we can win and that will be a decision 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:37.360 for the Austrange people. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.800 The election not yet cold, but Dutton is already treating 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:48.640 this like it's the election campaign, fronting the media every day. Meanwhile, 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.520 we know alban Ezi has one eye on retirement, his 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.959 wedding to Jody and the cliff top mansion he bought 0:09:55.960 --> 0:10:01.880 with her in Copacabana. Alban Easy was never personally desperate 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.240 to become prime minister. He didn't believe it was his 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.480 one and only destiny in the same way that other 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.480 leaders have always believed it was theirs. Alberizi has one 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.160 foot out the door already, and it's why if he 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.960 does lose the election, it's unlikely he'd fall into a 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:27.120 bitter depression like prime ministers past, because the. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.240 Job meant the world to them. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.280 For Albanize, this was an unexpected ascension to the top 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:40.040 job for a radical left wing political activist, and our 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.120 country is the worse for it. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:47.800 Now. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.080 Donald Trump has met with Israeli Prime minister Benjamin nettan 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.160 Yahoo and Elon Musk as well joined in for a chat. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.200 The fact that this would be President Trump's first meeting 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.600 with a foreign leader since his inauguration is telling. I 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.440 think it's a testimonial to the strength of the Israeli 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.200 American alliance. It's also a testimonial to the strength of 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.440 our personal friendship. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.000 It absolutely is their own personal friendship. It's had rocky times, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.400 but it's been back on track for a long time now, 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.000 and the strength of the Israel American alliance under Donald Trump, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.120 that alliance has been returned. America will be a solid 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.560 friend of Israel. This meeting the first foreign leader to 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.000 meet with Donald Trump, Benjainette Nyau. This is a signal 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.160 of how the US sees Israel. It's a signal of 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.120 how important that partnership is. And in the next twenty 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.200 four hours, Trump is expected to sign an executive order 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:51.720 withdrawing the United States from the UN Human Rights Council 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.280 and prohibiting future funding for ANRA. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.040 That is leadership. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.280 There are other ways to ensure funding and aid gets 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:02.840 to Gaza. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.119 So this isn't about. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.760 Cutting off eight It's about UNRA as the vehicle for 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.840 it and UNRES links to terrorism are well established. The 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:16.120 latest proof is that British Israeli hostage Emily Demari was 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:21.600 held captive in UNRA facilities. She was deprived medical care 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.240 despite two gunshot wounds. She's spoken of how her muss 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.120 is running those UNRA facilities in Gaza and the response 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:35.160 from UNRA, oh, there'll be an investigation. Yet another one. 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.640 Yet Penny one continues to send tens of millions of 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.640 your taxpayer dollars to UNRA in a move that is 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:47.600 now indefensible. It's further proof that she is Australia's worst 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.800 ever foreign minister. And joining me now to discuss this 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.600 Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister David Coleman. David, thank you very 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:56.959 much for your time. 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:58.520 Now you are now. 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.880 Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister, as I just said, this is 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:05.040 your first nighttime interview on Sky News. As I just 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.960 spoke about there. Donald Trump says he will cut off 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.640 funding to UNRA. What's your view on this? If there 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.959 is a Dutton government, would you do the same. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:22.000 Yes, we would, Shahi, UNRA should not be funded. Those 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.760 links to October seven were established by the fact that 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:33.760 nine un employees were terminated for suspicion being involved in 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:39.600 those hideous evil attacks, It should not be funded. The 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.840 federal government sent sixty million dollars to UNRA, including six 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.840 million dollars since October seven. Now, of course, we all 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.800 want humanitarian aid to get to people who desperately need 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.720 it in Gaza. We all want that, but that cannot 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:59.120 be through UNRA. It is utterly unacceptable and we would 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.240 not continue you that if we were elected. 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.560 David, what do you think it says about Penny Wong 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.920 and the Albanesi government that they still haven't stopped funding 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:14.800 UNRA even after hearing that the hostage Emily de Maari 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.480 was held captive in UNRA facilities. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.840 Well Shari that funding should not be going to UNRA. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:27.520 The United States doesn't provide a funding to UNRA because 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.560 of the extremely grave concerns about its conduct. And if 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:36.720 Penny Wong or Anthony Albanizi have intelligence or information that 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.800 says that UMRA is an appropriate organization to which to 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.120 provide these funds, they should release it. If they have 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.680 better information than the United States about UNRA, they should 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.800 release it, but they haven't done that. We do, want, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.960 of course, aid to get to the people of Gaza, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.440 but certainly not through UNRA. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.240 Yeah, and there are other methods that we've se spoken 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.840 about it at length on the show of doing that. Now 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:08.280 you've suggested reforming are the United Nations bodies as well? 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.320 Which body is in particular and what needs to be done. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.520 Also, I think if you go back to first principles 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.200 with the UN, if you look at the first words 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.720 in chapter one of its charter talk about the role 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.440 of the UN is to create peace and security for 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:31.080 the world. Now, plainly that's not occurring. We're seeing shocking 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.880 violence in the Middle East, We're seeing shocking violence in 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.560 Ukraine and so many other places around the world. So 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.040 it is self evident and logical to say that the 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:46.360 UN needs to be scrutinized. The UN does need to 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:52.240 be reformed. Its primary goal of establishing peace and security 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.560 is a very noble goal that I think we could 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.560 all agree with, and that's where its primary focus should be. 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:03.360 So if if we are elected, seeking to ensure that 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.240 the UN does the best job but absolutely can on 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.479 its core responsibility will be a big focus for us. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:12.560 So important. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.720 Look, there's also reports from the United States that Donald 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.520 Trump is set to transfer one billion dollars worth of 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.400 military arms to Israel. 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:23.720 Look, this sort of attitude. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:24.880 That we're seeing from Trump, as I just said, his 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.400 meeting with Nadi Yaho, the first foreign leader, this couldn't 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.800 be more different from the hostility we've seen from the 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:32.800 Albanesi government. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.200 What do you think, Look, I think the conduct of 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:44.280 the Albanesi government towards Israel has been appalling. To abandon 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:50.680 a twenty year plus bipartisan position in relation to a 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.520 two state solution and basically to say that Australia is 0:16:53.560 --> 0:17:01.880 now supportive of unilateral recognition was outrageous, completely inappropriate. Labor 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.159 and Coalition governments have supported that position for more than 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.440 twenty years. Republicans Democrats alike have supported In the United States, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.280 President Biden didn't change his position, but Labor did. And 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.440 the worst thing, Shari, the worst thing is this wasn't 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:24.840 done for some high principle or for some a principle 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.119 of improving the situation in the Middle East. This was 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.679 done by the Labor Party because of votes in a 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:37.280 few Green's Labor seats. And to abandon such fundamental principles 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:43.800 for such tawdry, sordid political motives tells you everything you 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.479 need to know about the Albanese government. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.800 Yeah, it speaks a lot to its lost morality. David Common, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.360 really appreciate your time on this sitting week. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:55.200 Thank you so much. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.600 Now on New South Wales, Transport Minister Joe Halen has 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.919 resigned and after a string of damaging revelations about her 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:07.919 use of taxpayer funded vehicles. This included summoning a chauffeur 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.680 to her holiday house to then take her and her 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.520 friends to a boozy three hour lunch in the Hunter Valley. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.920 It was a four hundred and forty six kilometer round trip. Now, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.560 Joe Halen refused to resign after journalist Linda Silmalis in 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.240 The Sunday Telegraph first broke this story on the weekend 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.119 and Joe Halen arrogantly claimed it was all within the rules. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.800 She also insisted to the Premiere that this was just 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.960 a one off incident, but it wasn't. Today there was 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.440 news and it was broken as well by the Daily 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.400 Telegraph and Ben Fordham of another trip to a winery 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.480 last year with her husband, and when it turned out 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.880 that she breached the trust of the Premiere, she had 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:53.280 to go. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:57.560 From the very minute I was appointed a minister I 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.119 have worked my ass off. I've made some mistake. Yes, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.159 people aren't perfect. I did not break the rules, but 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:11.160 I acknowledge that that's not the only test here. I've 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.600 let the public down and I'm very sorry for that. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:15.400 Now. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.560 Joe Halen used to work for Anthony Alberanzi and there 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.960 was a view that his power as Prime Minister offered 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:27.440 her some protection as she faced difficulties over the past. 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:28.240 Year in the role. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.959 Now this doesn't reflect well on alban Easy Housing. Minister 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.960 Rose Jackson hasn't resigned either, and she also caught the 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.879 Schaffir driven car on the Australia Day Long weekend. In fact, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.840 the whole trip was for her fortieth birthday. To discuss 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.040 let's bring in our panel Farmer, Speaker of the House 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.400 Bronwin Bishop and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.440 Welcome to you both, Bron. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.679 When the fact that she thought she didn't have to 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.439 resign when this firse broke, and you know, just the 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.919 arrogance of saying, loh, this is all within the rules, 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:03.800 despite the public outrage, it's incredible. 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.680 Well, I think the fact of the matter is that 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:13.320 this was her personal enjoyment. Boothy luncheon in the Hunter Vlley, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.480 something which should have been paid for. Personally, I found 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.439 myself in the position where I used a helicopter to 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:26.080 go to work. I was a guest speaker at a fundraiser. 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.320 The precedent for that was set by Wayne swan keip 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:33.200 On earlier, who in two thousand and nine spent eight 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:38.640 thousand dollars taking a charted flight to a Labor Party fundraiser. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.040 But of course different rules for socialists, different rules for 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.400 everybody else. But when it comes to this instance, it's 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.840 different from all of that. It's difference because this is 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.600 for going to a party and just having a good time, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:59.359 and that is totally different. And I think that means 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.600 and his interview on two GBN, in which I did 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:08.040 listen to, was really scratching to try and find a 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.800 way around it. But of course she hadn't come clean 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:12.400 with him. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:17.159 No exactly. And then there were more revelations. Holly chris 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:19.359 Mens is from the right faction of the Labor Party, 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.359 Joe Helen's from the left, yet she supported him in 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.280 the leadership contest, and perhaps there was that sort of 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.840 politics playing into it. You know, this is a brilliant 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.200 story my friend don A Cordwell edits a Sunday Telegraph. 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.120 She put it on the front page on Sunday. Linda 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.439 Somalis broke it. But you know, if it wasn't for 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.399 that journalism, these labor politicians are getting away with this 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.440 sort of misuse of taxpayer funds. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.520 It's certainly a government of doers. I say, not as 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.560 I do, and we know that's how labor governments act. 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.520 They love to get that stout in the trough. And 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.080 as you said, miss Halen or I think she's better 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.639 known as Van Halen now worked for our easy and 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.640 probably learned the benefit of a freebie while she was there. 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.280 And you know, to be fair to her as the 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.960 Transport minister, the trains weren't running, so you know, maybe 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.359 this was her only option. 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.600 Well, she probably just didn't want to drive so she 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.320 could drink at the wineries, it was probably, and didn't 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.240 want to pay her for her own car. Now there's 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.359 more bad news in the polls for Albanesi. There's this 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.520 essential poll in the Guardian which showed that sixty three 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.840 percent of voters think the Prime Minister is out of 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.959 touch with everyday Australians actually surprised it's not higher than 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:38.480 sixty three percent, and despite Albanese's effort to attack Peter Dutton, 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.719 the opposition leader led the PM on the question of 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.840 decisiveness fifty six percent compared with forty three percent. And 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:48.960 then the poll also showed that sixty four percent of 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.400 people agreed that Albanezi changes his opinion depending on who 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:54.440 he thinks is listening. 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:56.840 Rowan, that's not a surprise, is it. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.960 No, it's not. I keep saying with him for twenty 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:03.439 years in that chamber and nobody ever said he was 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.320 a leader, and we just see proof of it every day. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.720 But I thought an interesting part of that survey was 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:13.439 also that a combination of forty percent of people who 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:17.159 thought that anti Semitism was a major issue and forty 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.879 three percent thought of minor issue, means eighty eight percent 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.560 of people think it is an issue exactly only thirty 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:25.479 percent of people didn't, And I think that says a 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.080 lot about why it is a major issue in this campaign. 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.159 It is not something that is not relevant to the debate. 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.000 And that decisiveness, which Peter Dutton is showing very much, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.159 has shown up because of the attitude he's taken on 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.080 this issue exactly. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:45.000 I mean, it's a question of national security ultimately, which 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.159 does affect all Australians. 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.040 Holly, what's your perception. 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.440 Of you know, it's the start of the last parliamentary 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.919 fortnite before the election. What's your perception of the mood 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:01.320 among the government and the Labor senators that you I'll see. 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:06.080 Look, I think what's really interesting, you know with that poll, 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.840 is that Australians are looking for someone of conviction. They're 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:13.280 looking for a politician who actually stands for something and 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.679 they know what they stand for. They might not always agree, 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.080 but they know where they stand with you, and with 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.280 alban Ezi, you know, when you stand for nothing, you'll 0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:23.840 set you know, fall for everything. 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.280 So and I think he. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:29.840 Demonstrates that regularly. I really do think in the Senate 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.240 we have the same motion today that went to the 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:36.439 House with regards to anti Semitism. You could see on 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.720 Labor faces how much they didn't want that motion. They 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.439 really don't want to be talking about it. It's something 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:48.600 that they know they have absolutely abjectally failed in to 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:52.040 show any leadership and it's led to this escalation of 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:56.320 events that we've seen. And you can just see they don't. 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.760 They don't want to talk about that. They're not quite 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:02.639 as cocky as they were towards the end of last 0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:06.800 year's So I'm not quite sure you know what they're 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.240