WEBVTT - How Did We Get Here? | William Tyrrell: 6 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.200 Yeah, hi, my son is you think it's three and 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:05.680 a half. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:08.119 Okay, So how did we get here? 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.479 How long has well we've been looking for him now 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.320 for that fifteen or twenty minutes, okay, I thought it 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:16.560 could be father, it could be longer. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:18.720 It's just playing around here. We heard him and then 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.400 we heard nothing. Okay, So what the newest question? 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.840 Last week, an inquest into William Tile's disappearance heard the 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:31.640 police have no forensic evidence, no witness evidence, no direct 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:36.199 evidence at all about what happened to him, despite the 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.400 police previously saying on the front page of a newspaper 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.600 they had a new suspect they believed was responsible for 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:50.640 William's death and disappearance, despite detectives going to this suspect's 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.040 house and telling her you'll have to live with it. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.600 We aren't guessing. We know why, we know how, we 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:03.800 know where William is. And despite police saying in court 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.679 on oath their theory is that William's foster mother disposed 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.640 of his body, we now know they have no evidence 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.200 she did this, and the coroner overseeing the inquest has 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.959 refused to even call the lead detective, David Laidlaw, as 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.600 a witness. So you have to wonder where did all 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.959 these accusations start. 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.120 Yeah, yeah, I can see. 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:33.720 I can see where you are, and it's Benner and 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.919 driving Kendle and I've got you nearest the prostrate as. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.160 Being ellen Dale Crescent. It could be I don't know. Okay, 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.480 they've been missing since about ten thirty. Yeah, I'd say so. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:51.080 I listened to the foster mother's phone call, and something something. 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:51.440 Quick for me. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.000 This woman doesn't want to be identified. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:56.800 Okay, can you describe him? Tommy? 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.360 How to maybe that to and a half wearing a 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.800 spider man out. I'm listening to this Troop of zero call, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.080 and I've had something similar happen to me. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:13.000 She's one of the many thousands, if not millions, who've 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.880 listened to the Triple zero recording of William's foster mother 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:20.360 reporting him missing since it was made public. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:25.119 My first child had a horrible accident at home when 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.240 she was about nine to ten months of age, and 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.640 she sort of pushed on a screen window and I 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.480 mustn't have been secured properly or it wasn't safe enough. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.560 She went all the way out and I couldn't catch her. 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.040 Like thousands of other people, this woman has gone online 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.959 written about the case, sharing her opinions. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.840 But I remember running down the stairs and just screaming, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.160 and I was hysterical, finding her, you know, in the grass, crying, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.200 and I just remember grabbing her and coming back upstairs 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.680 to where my phone wasn't calling emergency services, and I 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.240 was absolutely hysterical, screaming and begging for someone to help me, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:11.160 for the ambulance to please come, and and screaming for 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.760 help the whole time. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.359 Ye hair, he's got dark sandy colored hair. It's sure. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.399 He's got big brown and green colored eyes. 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.920 Thinking back to the foster mother's triple zerr call, she 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.520 was calm, She just wasn't fhased. She was able to 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.880 answer questions, and she was just cool as a cucumber. 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:39.120 And just like the police, she's become suspicious despite having 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:40.920 no real evidence. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.360 Okay, I'll see you get any shoes on. Do you 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:54.800 know any other distinguishing thanks he has? 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.680 Oh, he's got a freckle on the top of his head. 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.880 When you put the hair on the left hand side, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.960 you'll see a freckle on probably paid you know. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.040 Did he have any identifying features? Oh, well, he had 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.600 a freckle, and you know, was he wearing shoes? Yeah, 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.200 you don't do that when you're in a crisis because 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.000 you don't have that presence of mind. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.960 So is it fair to say that you started to 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.880 suspect the foster mum because in that triple zero call, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:28.679 her grief wasn't the same as your grief. Yeah, today, 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.560 ten years on from that phone call reporting William missing, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.880 that's really all we do have suspicion, people pointing fingers, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.200 but no evidence. And you have to ask why is that? 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.679 Why after ten years of the most high profile police 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.719 investigation in the country, is there still no direct evidence 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.680 of what happened to William? How was that allowed to happen? 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.760 And is the person who really responsible for William's disappearance 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:08.839 still walking around today? To find those answers, We're going 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.440 back to the moment of this triple zero calls and 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.080 the police investigation that followed. We're going to look at 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.240 what was done, what was not done, what was missed, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:25.719 and how that planted suspicions which grew forcing their way 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.520 into every part of the investigation, leading it in crazy, twisted, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.160 damaging directions, threatening to strangle it completely. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.440 I haven't heard him a bit to go. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.239 All right, we'll please to see you at Minnery driving 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.680 kennel or to get them a message to all the 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.400 people look out for him as well. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.440 Okay than all, by bye bye. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:58.279 I'm Dan Box and this is Witness William Tyrrell, Episode six, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:14.720 Missing Evidence. The morning of William's disappearance, the twelfth of 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:20.240 September twenty fourteen, starts off quiet. He's the first to 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.640 wake up, then his foster father, his sister, and his 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:28.799 foster mother, who would later remember seeing two cars parked 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.320 on the road outside the house, one white, one gray, 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.000 Despite saying in that triple zero call she didn't see 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.120 anything suspicious at the time, there. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.240 Wasn't anyonecious in the area. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.200 No. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.760 Later in the morning, when the kids have got up, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.279 had breakfast and are playing with their bikes outside the house, 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.000 William's foster mother remembers seeing a third car, a gray 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.960 or green sedan, turn into the driveway of the next 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.880 door house, reverse out and drive back down the road. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.680 She says, the drivers in his fifties maybe sixties, and 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:11.160 it's odd. She thinks. Benirun Drive, where the family is 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.720 staying for the weekend, is a dead end road outside 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:19.680 a small town called Kendall, surrounded by forest and empty farmland. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.320 You just don't get that many cars, particularly ones where 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:30.880 you don't recognize the driver. Later another witness will also 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:34.760 describe seeing a white car that morning, a Holden, being 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.880 driven by a man on nearby roads, but that only 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.640 comes to light years later during the police investigation that 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:53.600 will follow after William disappears. At some point that morning, 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.160 the twelfth of September, a man called Tony Jones leaves 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.840 his house in Warhope, which is about twenty minute drive 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:04.960 from where William would go missing. Tony tells his wife Debbie, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.000 he's going scrapping, looking for scrap metal in the state forest, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.480 and that their son is going with him. Only Tony's 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.800 son will later say that he wasn't with his father. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:21.320 When Tony's asked about this at the inquest into William's disappearance, 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:27.960 he says, quote, I have no recollections, none whatsoever, and 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.000 I'll be honest. If I wasn't scrapping, I was probably 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.680 sleeping with Debbie's friend next door. Another witness will also 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.400 come forward saying that they see Tony sitting in a 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:44.079 white Toyota, although he denies this when the police ask 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:49.880 questions because weeks after William is reported missing, Tony Jones 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.600 will be jailed of unrelated child sex offenses, although there's 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.520 no evidence today he was involved in William's disappearance. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.800 Why I run away from the camera, Johns? Go away? 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:02.280 Mate? 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.000 Why did you run away from the camera? Why did 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.600 you write camera? What should I camera? Will you enkindle 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:10.520 that day? William to now? 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:11.120 I was not? 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.160 Now go away, mister Johns? 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.200 Can you explain your car? 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:15.680 Look? 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:17.880 I hated your questions my gown. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:28.679 Why Around nine am on the morning William is reported missing, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.520 his foster mother wants to do some washing and realizes 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.720 the machine is broken. They're staying at her mum's house 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.480 for the weekend. A local repairman's been asked to fix it. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:44.920 By chance Tony Jones and that local White Goods repairman 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.840 used to be neighbours years ago in another town, a 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:53.320 long way from where William goes missing. His foster mum 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.680 calls the repairman, but he doesn't answer. She leaves a 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:04.200 message asking him to come and fix the washing masie. 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.280 Another local tradesman, Jeff Owen, calls the homes soon after 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.439 to talk about some work that needs doing on the deck, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.199 Jeff is good mates with a man named Frank Abbott. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.840 Frank has previously been found not guilty of murder. A 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.160 year after William's disappearance, Frank moves into a caravan on 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.920 Jeff's property, and at that time he's on bay Off 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.560 Child's sex abuse charges. And by chance, Frank Abbott is 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:39.200 also connected to Tony Jones. Frank's son in law is 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.680 Tony's neighbour. And I promise you we'll get into all 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.880 of that later in this series, but for now we're 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.599 getting closer to the moment on the twelfth of September 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:55.199 twenty fourteen, when William is reported missing, after which different 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.160 people will look again at those phone calls with different 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:02.200 tradesmen and the cars see that morning and start asking 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:07.840 if they might be important, particularly after another local, a 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.800 man called Ron Chapman, will tell police he saw a 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:16.960 car driving fast through Kendle just a few minutes before 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.319 William's foster mum makes her triple zero corn. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:30.760 At the time, I didn't know what makes the now 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.679 through Adelai and Cruiser and our models from the box 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:41.480 type vehicle of Beijan color all right. 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:46.520 Then, Ron says the car was screaming around the corner, 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.119 driven by a woman in her late twenties or thirties, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.079 and he says she's plump, not very tall, with blonde 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.640 hair tied in a bun on top of her head. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.520 Ron says he sees a boy in the back seat 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.800 of the car, standing up with his hands on the window. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:09.079 The boys about three or maybe four, with light blondie 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.760 brownie hair, wearing a red and blue outfit like the 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:19.080 Spider Man suit William is wearing this morning. Ron tells 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.240 police he sees another car coming after. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.960 Okay, well, now you talked about. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.760 This time a blue forward sedan really really accelerating. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:35.360 How long was it between the first vehicle and the 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.120 second vehicle? 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.680 What have I only heard a couple of seconds, I 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.000 should imagine because the concern it was a man in 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:51.160 the vehicle, I didn't get a clear enough look to 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.320 anyone come up hearing what even they looked like. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.920 You'd think the police would want to follow up on 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:08.400 Ron's sighting two cars driving fast away from Benirun Drive, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.840 one driven by a man, the other by a woman 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.760 with a boy standing up on the back seat, matching 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.839 William's description even down to the red and blue suit. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:25.880 William is wearing, but Ron's evidence it kind of goes 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:31.760 missing for a few years, partly because Ron himself doesn't 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.640 go to the police, at least at first. Instead, when 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.360 Ron sees the news reports about William going missing, he 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.480 waits for the police to knock on his door, but 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.120 they don't do that. Ron's sister tells him he should 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.080 contact the cops, but Ron doesn't do it directly. Instead, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.400 he gets in touch with another local woman, saying he 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.920 wants to speak to her sister in law, who is 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.079 the local cop. So a detective doesn't speak to Ron 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:06.960 until March twenty fifteen, six months after William goes missing, 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:12.480 and the police don't interview Ron until the August, another 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:18.360 five months later. They don't record this until April twenty seventeen. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.600 The time is now four twenty seven pm and the 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.240 ringactmant at the premises to mister Ron Chapman is now complete. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.280 At one point in his conversations with police, Ron says 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.840 he got such a shock when he saw the news 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.080 reports about William going missing that he wondered for a 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.320 moment if he dreamt seeing the cars. When asked directly 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.200 about this, he says, I didn't dream it. No, And 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.120 when I speak to him for this podcast, he says 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:54.360 the same thing. Ron's in his mid eighties now, but 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.080 sounded clear and confident. When I speak to him, he 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.680 doesn't want to do an interview, tells me, but he 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:09.920 does tell me, I know what I saw. That's the 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.280 thing with police investigations. You don't know what you don't 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:19.160 know until you realize that the thing you're missing turns 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.600 out to be important. And all of this evidence about 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.720 cars and people whose movements can't be accounted for or 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.680 had reason to contact the house where William was staying, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.560 it might have meant something if police had known about 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:41.000 it at the time, but they didn't. Some of it 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.520 isn't found out until years later, which is a problem 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.520 if you're trying to find out what's happened to a 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:52.000 missing child. Back at the house where William goes missing, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.840 his foster mother calls Triple zero at ten fifty six 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.600 that morning, and the first police officer arrives in about 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:04.280 ten minutes, which is impressively fast. He goes through the house, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.200 opening cupboards, looking under beds, though he doesn't go into 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:11.000 the roof space or open the door to the garage. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.800 Soon after, another uniformed cop arrives and stays in the 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:20.880 house while the first starts searching outside it, looking in yards, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.400 the nearby forest, talking to neighbors. He thinks they need 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.720 to check the drains as a priority in case William 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.000 has somehow fallen into one, and William's foster mum asks 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.320 at least three times if she should call the government 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.600 department overseeing his foster care to let them know what's happened. 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.560 The police say, no, not yet, Let's see if we 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:48.880 can find him. More cops arrive within minutes, including an inspector, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.240 who establishes a command post starts keeping written logs of 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:58.080 what's happening. He requests the state Emergency Service search all 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.320 the water drains, and that the police send a specially 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.240 qualified search coordinator and a helicopter, and the rescue squad, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.440 the trail bike Unit, the mounted unit, and the police 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:16.360 media unit send out an alert, after which everything changes. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.520 I thought we'd find him. I honestly thought we'd find him. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.080 I thought he would have been found really quickly. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.120 News of William's disappearance spreads fast. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.920 I just heard from someone at school bringing in people. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.679 There was massive social media posts about. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.679 Everyone volunteers in their hundreds. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:42.960 So then I went home and got my torch and 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.000 dressed up and left my kids at home and went 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:45.800 looking for him. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.920 The police bringing divers. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.080 My daughter, who was at twelve at the time, she 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:54.640 said to me, Mum, I want to come. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.680 All these people descend on the dead end road where 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.280 William was reported. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.200 And I was like, okay, well, let's go. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.680 People start searching backyards, dams, the waterways. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.080 There were hundreds of cars there, There were hundreds of people. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.840 There seemed to be people going in different directions in 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.080 different places, with different groups. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:17.600 And. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:20.720 To be honest, it was bedlam. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.800 People had come with motorbikes. People had come with all 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:24.720 their own equipment. 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.160 People camped down there. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.920 I recognized quite a few locals, but there's lots of 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:30.800 people there that I didn't recognize. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.760 Everyone got told to just go go for a walk, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:34.840 go look for it. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.160 People had come from a lot of different places. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.840 There was just people wandering around, walking through scrub. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.080 This is one of many line searches underway. Afternoon turned 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.080 into evening that first night. The searchers keep on looking 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:50.960 by torch light. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.360 Volunteers were exhausted after putting in such long days. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.360 Day after day, the search continues. 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.040 The sees, the surf clubs, the fire. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.840 Brigade, the lifeguards, the fieries. 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.439 All resources and means available are being used on the 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:09.800 ground and in the air. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.919 William's foster father is among them. Up at dawn the 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.680 next morning and out to walking through the bush. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:21.560 We did have the foster father come down and he 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.439 kind of just sort of started sobbing, and I said, oh, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.159 it's all right, it's all right, and he goes, no, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.520 it's no. I just want to thank you. I said, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.320 don't think us. We're We're just here looking for the 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:33.920 little boy. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.640 Until the days start to fall into a pattern. 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.800 Sometimes it was hopeful and then some afternoons you could 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.480 see the exhaustion, but no one stops. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.600 Fifty people are working shoulder to shoulder to check every 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.639 squear meter close to the home. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.080 Like it was just total chaos. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.640 Over the next fortnight. Police records so the search will 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.880 cover about eighteen square kilometers, which I think is about 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.920 two and a half thousand football pitches. A police press 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:20.200 release says it's fifty square kilometers, so around seven thousand 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:29.919 football pitches, which is incredibly impressive. Except they missed things. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.720 I witness a gradular confusion from Bursley Police ANDBSS. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.600 This man is visiting a relative in Benerum Drive the 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:42.640 same morning William is reported missing. He says the police 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.240 and sees are doing a great job, no doubt, but 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.080 there are no cordons put in place on the road 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:51.480 to stop cars. 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.760 No accordingly off of the street at all. While the 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.560 cars were driving up and down the street. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.720 Meaning anyone can come or go in a vvehicle without 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:01.600 being checked. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.280 There should have been the police at the intersection and 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.000 any vehicle that there should have been stopped in question. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.280 That would be a priority for concent. 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:12.760 And that wasn't happening from what you saw. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.320 No, not at all, not for some time. But I 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.480 don't even think until the following day it took place 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.080 that way because he was still vehicles driving up and down. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:20.680 For a bit of a show. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.640 He also says some things just don't get searched. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:30.320 The sees would go walk into a home or driveway 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.920 in Both them and the police on the various occasions 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.960 through that day did the same thing. However, I would 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.160 have mentioned that the fact that there was a caravan 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.520 and that caravan was bypassed by both the police and 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:48.600 the sees each time they came into the premises. 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:49.800 So it was never searched. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.560 It was never searched, never asked to be looked at, 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:54.600 and never searched. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.000 The police do a forensic search of the house where 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.520 William was reported missing, but not until the next day, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.359 by which time his foster family have stayed in it overnight. 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.800 A neighbour's house directly across the road is not searched 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.960 until three days later. The man living there, Paul Savage, 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.880 is one of only three adults known to heal William 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:25.480 and his sister playing at the house that morning. Paul 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.840 is home alone just before William is reported missing, but 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:33.159 the police find no evidence he was involved. In fact, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.600 far from finding anything, some of the neighbors living on 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:41.360 this road say they have things stolen from their cars 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.800 and their properties during the search, and some of them 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.879 are still angry. Ten years later. 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.080 A straight was full of cars from one end of 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.480 the other. And we've got hundreds, if not thousands, of 0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.760 people calling me in their homes. 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.080 And did it look like it was organized? 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:07.119 Far from organized. 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.920 A bunch of pierced idiots ramble and orion the. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.560 Straight, And what were they doing. 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:21.919 Walking Ariane, yelling it at William and just having a 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.080 general check out of everyone's homes and property. 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.160 And was there any attempt that you could see by 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.320 the police to stop them going too certain areas not 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.840 in no noise? And what did you think when you 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:37.199 saw that? 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.000 I thought this was a fucking debarcle. This is just wrong. 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.240 One thing everyone can agree on is the forest on 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.879 either side of Benerin Drive is too thick for a 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:57.359 little boy to wander off in. What's it like trying 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.480 to search through that bush at the time? 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:08.120 Oh horrendous because you've got lin tana an even sing Litana? 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:08.919 Would you show me? 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:09.480 Yeah? 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:24.760 Well it's what this sort of the thin Yeah, like 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:25.480 a thin tree. 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:26.600 Yeah, that's tana. 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.600 So what's the problem with lantana? When you're trying to 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.160 search you can get shredded? 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:33.440 Oh really? 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:37.320 Yeah, it's a stem itself. It got foreming points. 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.560 On it, yeah, pins on it. 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:41.840 If you get entangled in it, you can end up 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.720 with cats and you can get treaded. I don't know 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:48.280 how invented it, but it's lias. 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.560 And you're saying that we couldn't get through it with 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.000 boots and you've got I'll have. 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.919 To get me work boots on or the face boots 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:58.880 to walk in me. I'm still not guidy it for it. 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:00.840 I don't think a three old boy would have got 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.159 through the bush then, no, no. 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:11.080 He would pan. I'd say it would be cruel and 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:12.320 of course screaming. 0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:14.879 Hm. 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.080 Did you see everywhere around it? 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:28.680 The vast weeks long police search finds nothing worse than 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:34.200 that the search itself potentially destroys forensic evidence. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.360 Driving up it was, I guess you kind of went, wow, 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.400 look at all these people that are out looking. Isn't 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.760 that fantastic? But then upon reflection, you go, well, that's uh, 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:50.240 destroying any you know, possibly destroying any any evidence that 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.520 might be around if something afarious has happened. 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.000 This woman also visits Benaruin Drive during the early days 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:58.000 of the police search. 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.520 So there were people all up and down Banarun Drive. 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.520 I was amazed at how many people. And then when 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.720