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Speaker 1: Chris Seed has taken aim at the Knife Art Association,

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Speaker 1: which has run the Adelaide Knife Show for almost thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and just from the outset, they've done nothing wrong in

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Speaker 1: But is it a relevant thing to have? Would you

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Speaker 1: have a gun show in South Australia. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really concerned about growing enough crime right across

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Speaker 2: I think this knife show has been running for about

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why I've introduced legislation

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Speaker 1: You wanted to go further, though, don't you? Machetes as well?

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Speaker 1: They could also get them through other means. I mean,

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Speaker 1: So your discussion paper would go towards this raising the

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's appropriate to have a knife show

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, people carrying swords for goodness, And we've

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Speaker 1: are you good, Thank you, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Your concern is having young people going along and in

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Speaker 1: fact that being used as a bit of a marketing tool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. Obviously I was made aware of the

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Speaker 4: event and the artwork that's used and was obviously a

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Speaker 4: little bit disturbed in terms of being able to have

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Speaker 4: that use as a marketing tool and you know, flashed

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Speaker 4: on there under sixteen three.

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Speaker 1: And look the attorney says he's written to them on

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Speaker 1: that point. He's met with you as well, obviously. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I question the fact that people are saying, look,

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Speaker 1: it's a show for professionals and people to go along

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Speaker 1: and make decisions on knives and craftsmen and all of that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't have an issue with that at all.

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Speaker 1: I just think in twenty twenty four, A knife show

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Speaker 1: is probably outdated.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably correct as well. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: we're getting to an age where obviously, you know, in Australia,

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Speaker 4: guns are registered and pretty much outlawed. I believe knives

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Speaker 4: are probably heading down that same path where they need

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Speaker 4: to be registered and they need to be proven to

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Speaker 4: be a certain health to be able to own those

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Speaker 4: knives that aren't required for work and other uses.

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Speaker 1: The problem is, I mean, if we're trying to stop

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Speaker 1: kids from getting them, knives are readily available in every house,

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Speaker 1: in every kitchen.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right. But I would probably back at a

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Speaker 4: parent to notice if something's missing on a daily basis,

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Speaker 4: as opposed to a large shop or something like that,

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Speaker 4: something on the shelf.

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Speaker 1: You'd welcome the attorney writing to the organizers and you'd

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Speaker 1: hope this changes obviously.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I just believe that maybe some rules and

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Speaker 4: regulations need to come into play. What they do with hotels,

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Speaker 4: you know, hotels can't advertise certain things for different reasons,

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Speaker 4: you know, being able to advertise under sixteen three and

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Speaker 4: have that flash down there, that sort of rule and

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Speaker 4: regulation for change. I did notice they've also, you know

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Speaker 4: what our classes. I guess a flick knife advertise on

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Speaker 4: there and it sort of just glorifies a knife, and

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Speaker 4: you know, me is trying to make them cool, whereas

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Speaker 4: it should be probably toned down a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing gets easier with time, necessarily. You can can

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Speaker 1: compartmentalize as much as you like, and you know it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily help. But you've got a very difficult date

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Speaker 1: coming up next month. How are you. How's the family?

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Speaker 4: The whole year's been a bit of a roller coaster. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: every day is still a first at the moment, so

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Speaker 4: they're all tough.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to you, Chris and to everyone. And I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you, as I said reaching out to us

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Speaker 1: this morning, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you so.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Chris whose partner Chris Smith. His partner was

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Speaker 1: Julie Seed and she was tragically killed in a real

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Speaker 1: estate office on Anzac High at Plimpton. As you'll recall

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Speaker 1: last year, two women attacked by a man armed with

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Speaker 1: knives and duly tragically lost her life in that office.

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Speaker 1: Just heartbreaking and Chris calling for changes in how This

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Speaker 1: knife show coming up in late November. End of the

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Speaker 1: month advertisers in terms of free admission for sixteens and under,