Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chari, see you again tomorrow night. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 1: Wide a weekend in Queensland.
Speaker 2: So on top of it, Erebus winning the Sunday Race
Speaker 2: at the Golf Coast.
Speaker 1: It was a fun weekend. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: all of your support over it.
Speaker 2: Now, obviously we start to turn our attention towards the
Speaker 2: United States. We'll get to that a little later tonight
Speaker 2: with Analyze Nielsen. But first, of course, let's talk about Australia.
Speaker 2: For as long as we've been doing the Ourtown project
Speaker 2: was about five years and growing now.
Speaker 1: And I look forward to it continuing for many more years.
Speaker 2: I've had the absolute privilege of being able to see
Speaker 2: little towns, big cities, regional centers, and something is obvious
Speaker 2: every time we go to many of these places, which
Speaker 2: is that there are two Australias. There is the heavily
Speaker 2: urban eye sort of woke inner cities. There's the suburbs.
Speaker 2: But then of course the other is regional Australia and
Speaker 2: the priorities that are often talked about by the media,
Speaker 2: that is sitting in those urbanized environments talking to other
Speaker 2: people in and around the inner cities is often a
Speaker 2: world away from the experience of those who live hundreds
Speaker 2: of kilometers away. The joy of our town is that
Speaker 2: we're able to connect and show our commitment to those
Speaker 2: regional areas every single month, and we try to talk
Speaker 2: about regional issues at the start of the program on
Speaker 2: nights like this. And there is no greater example of
Speaker 2: the two Australias than what is playing out right now.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Broken Hill, far western New South Wales, a place
Speaker 2: we went to for our town recently. There was always
Speaker 2: a dream of mind to go to Broken Hill. The
Speaker 2: legendary television and radio broadcaster Clive Robertson had always told
Speaker 2: me that this is the ultimate place to go and
Speaker 2: see the sunset and the ultimate place to look at
Speaker 2: the stars. He wasn't wrong when we had the chance
Speaker 2: to do so. But as you know, the story of
Speaker 2: Broken Hill is something we have been talking about for
Speaker 2: the past week or so because it's a town that
Speaker 2: has had no power. Now, no power doesn't just mean
Speaker 2: that the TV doesn't work. It means that the fridge
Speaker 2: doesn't work. It means that the that the heater or
Speaker 2: the fan you can imagine right you will know what
Speaker 2: it's like to lose power for a couple of hours,
Speaker 2: kids freak out because there's no internet. Will imagine an
Speaker 2: extended period of time that is part of ten days
Speaker 2: that that's been taking place. Now slowly relief has made
Speaker 2: its way towards Broken Hill. Today, the New Suba's government
Speaker 2: was growing that they are sending emergency food trucks because
Speaker 2: of how much food has frankly gone rotten because you
Speaker 2: can't keep it cold for many people who don't live
Speaker 2: in the absolute center of Broken Hill. The further out
Speaker 2: you go, the more supply you end up trying to
Speaker 2: keep in a freezer in the garage. Of course, no power,
Speaker 2: no food, food that all has to be chucked, but
Speaker 2: food that isn't just to get you through the next
Speaker 2: couple of days, It could be a whole lot longer
Speaker 2: than that. And there is an absolutely brilliant journalist writer,
Speaker 2: Rogue Larken, who I have adored following for years. Jack
Speaker 2: Marx is his name, and Jack has been a reporter
Speaker 2: who has done classic news stories. He's somebody who's done features.
Speaker 2: He told incredible roguish stories in a fabulous book about
Speaker 2: some sort of forgotten Australian history and he feels like
Speaker 2: a bloke sometimes from a different era, but he lives
Speaker 2: in Broken Hill. And he wrote one of the most
Speaker 2: powerful things that I have read in a long time
Speaker 2: today in the Australian newspaper. While everyone's distracted by business
Speaker 2: class flights and upgrades and elections and all of those
Speaker 2: sorts of things, this is what he wrote about the
Speaker 2: beautiful city that feels like a town that is Broken Hill.
Speaker 2: He talks about how the power has been out for
Speaker 2: ten days, the troubling town has been its own way,
Speaker 2: in its own way, entertaining. Argent Street's never been so
Speaker 2: jammed with kids on BMX bikes. McDonald's blessed with emergency
Speaker 2: power or sold more burghers than the slaughterhouse can cope with.
Speaker 1: Home invasions are at an.
Speaker 2: All time low because burglars can't find their way through
Speaker 2: the front or the back doors. He knows this from
Speaker 2: personal experience, because of course it's so dark. He goes
Speaker 2: on to say, the real problem is that Australia doesn't
Speaker 2: give a hoot about Broken Hill, not since we stopped
Speaker 2: producing over half of the nation's export wealth for most
Speaker 2: of the twentieth century. The mines are pretty much empty
Speaker 2: now Broken Hill is a welfare republic. A quarter of
Speaker 2: the city is on pensions, the other quarter is on
Speaker 2: the dole, so it's payback time. Politicians would rather us
Speaker 2: move to the coast or throw ourselves down one of
Speaker 2: the mine shafts and never climb out. We cost them
Speaker 2: too much and the money sorely needed to build stadiums
Speaker 2: where blokes can smash each other faces in and then
Speaker 2: defecating hotel lobbies. His comment, of course, is about priorities
Speaker 2: and many of the themes that I talk about on
Speaker 2: this show, and the way that I view the world
Speaker 2: through those who lead our governments, the media who supposedly
Speaker 2: hold them to account, and the businesses that profess to
Speaker 2: have something called a social license, is that you can
Speaker 2: see the priorities of all of those organizations. And when
Speaker 2: the city of Broken Hill went into darkness, there was
Speaker 2: the odd little mention of the news, a little brush
Speaker 2: past it here and there, but it wasn't treated as
Speaker 2: if this was a significant thing that was happening to
Speaker 2: our fellow Australians and that help should have been sent
Speaker 2: much earlier, much faster. And that includes people to talk
Speaker 2: about it, because when we talk about it, it helps
Speaker 2: force the politicians to get off their backsides and actually
Speaker 2: do something. He goes on again, this is a spectacular piece.
Speaker 2: I won't read it all to you as much as
Speaker 2: I would love to read from the very start. At
Speaker 2: the very end, he says, I went to the letterbox.
Speaker 2: There was a bill from Essential Energy. The power was out. Fortunately,
Speaker 2: my toilet does not rely on electricity. I love Jack Marx.
Speaker 2: I honestly think he's got a unique and very special talent.
Speaker 2: If we can get him on the Telly sometime soon,
Speaker 2: He's been on the show many many years ago, I'd
Speaker 2: love to do so. But Brokenhell should be very proud
Speaker 2: that it has a voice like Jax to be able
Speaker 2: to put it in a very straightforward manner. What they've
Speaker 2: been through for the past ten days and what for
Speaker 2: more than a week would not be acceptable if it
Speaker 2: was a suburb of Canberra, would not be acceptable if
Speaker 2: it was a place that the people in the media
Speaker 2: go to for holidays after things like bushfires. But because
Speaker 2: it's way way out, people didn't respond to it in
Speaker 2: the fashion that they should have. This is an excellent
Speaker 2: juxtaposition two Australias people who literally sit in the dark
Speaker 2: for ten days with a trickling of attention and a
Speaker 2: trickling of hope that is now starting to catch up,
Speaker 2: and a national conversation about just how taking for granted
Speaker 2: political and media classes about things like the front of
Speaker 2: the plane, you know. Of the past couple of days,
Speaker 2: the story that is fast turning into a scandal for
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is about the number of upgrades, free
Speaker 2: upgrades that he got from Quantus. He of course got
Speaker 2: them while he was the Transport Minister. He got them
Speaker 2: while he was the shadow Transport Minister, and presumably the
Speaker 2: same when it came to private travel as both opposition leader.
Speaker 2: So we've got a problem here where the people who
Speaker 2: are charged with taking care of people in Broken Hill
Speaker 2: are so disconnected from the people in Broken Hill that
Speaker 2: they just take for granted that they are going to
Speaker 2: be spoilt by an airline that they are supposed to
Speaker 2: be regulating. But they become so familiar with this airline,
Speaker 2: and this airline is very clever at being able to
Speaker 2: Dutchess politicians and the media that everyone thinks there's something
Speaker 2: normal when in actual fact it's not normal.
Speaker 1: Now have I flown business class? Yes?
Speaker 2: Have I been spoilt by virgin at times. Absolutely, but
Speaker 2: I'm always aware that ninety five percent of people who
Speaker 2: fly have never even been in business class once, so
Speaker 2: I never expect it, you never demand it. And of
Speaker 2: course the reality is that most Australians don't fly every
Speaker 2: day or every week. They might do it once a
Speaker 2: year when they want to go on a major holiday
Speaker 2: and it's really expensive, but because it's the taxpayer that's
Speaker 2: paying for it, they just expect the upgrade. But if
Speaker 2: it's not the taxpayer that's paying and it's them that's
Speaker 2: paying for a holiday, well then they still expect it,
Speaker 2: even though it's their money.
Speaker 1: And there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Special about these people apart from the jobs that they hold.
Speaker 2: And the reality is, no doubt we will learn in
Speaker 2: the next.
Speaker 1: Few days, is they're all in it.
Speaker 2: All of the politicians are in on it, all of
Speaker 2: the public servants are in on it, all of the
Speaker 2: media is inornant. So it was funny to watch them
Speaker 2: squirm today when they were being asked to justify what
Speaker 2: most people think is unjustify a ball, which is to
Speaker 2: be treated like a king when you're just one of us.
Speaker 3: I haven't asked all and Joyce, no, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if I have received one, I don't think so, but
Speaker 3: I'd have to have a.
Speaker 2: Look and I'll declare that, and people can make their
Speaker 2: own judgment about whether they think about what they think
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 4: We've declared that, but it's not affecting the position that
Speaker 4: we've been arguing.
Speaker 1: Are you a member of that chairman's lounge?
Speaker 4: I am, and pretty much almost all federal politicians are.
Speaker 1: Not everyone, but pretty much everyone is.
Speaker 2: See this, in part is the problem right now. In
Speaker 2: absolute fairness, the reason business class exists is because there
Speaker 2: is a need sometimes so people have a little bit
Speaker 2: more space to be able to bang away on a
Speaker 2: laptop if they're working, or because they had meetings either
Speaker 2: side and they've been in four cities in three I
Speaker 2: get it right.
Speaker 1: We understand why it's there.
Speaker 2: But because everyone is in on the game, everyone's kind
Speaker 2: of immune from criticism because as soon as you turn
Speaker 2: around and you go after one, their defense will be,
Speaker 2: well what about you? And generally speaking, any organization or
Speaker 2: any culture where the way you get away with doing
Speaker 2: something bad is to say you did it too means
Speaker 2: nobody ends up calling anyone out. Now again, are there
Speaker 2: times when the front of the plane is the appropriate
Speaker 2: place to fly. Yes, let's not be childish about it.
Speaker 2: Let's not pretend that they have to always sit in
Speaker 2: the last row next to the toilet. But the idea
Speaker 2: that taken for granted that this is how I should
Speaker 2: fly and this is where I should wait for my
Speaker 2: flight so people don't interrupt me is the complete anathema
Speaker 2: of what they pretend to be as politicians, which is
Speaker 2: I'm here for you, we feel your pain, we understand
Speaker 2: you can walk up to me in the street and
Speaker 2: ask me anything at any time.
Speaker 1: When the reality is that's just what they say.
Speaker 2: Seen it with my own eyes, and things like Broken
Speaker 2: Hill will say, like remember Alice Springs a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago with albow. There's a serious problem, serious problems
Speaker 2: in and around crime. Well, he flies in a couple
Speaker 2: of hours, shakes hands, is there to make it look
Speaker 2: like he cares, and then he bugers off after a
Speaker 2: couple of hours in and off to the tennis with
Speaker 2: VIP seats for the next three days. When you forget
Speaker 2: that how people treat you is about your job, not
Speaker 2: about how awesome you are as the human being, then
Speaker 2: you have started to lose perspective. You've started to lose
Speaker 2: understanding and you start to lose accountability.
Speaker 1: As you know. The Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: Says all of this is fine, despite the fact that
Speaker 2: he was essentially the referee, the regulator and contas is
Speaker 2: the single biggest airline that he's dealing with his Transport minister,
Speaker 2: that there's nothing weird, not about his secretary calling somebody
Speaker 2: else's secretary, but him calling the CEO to say, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: about the front of the plane. Mate, Oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: you're sure. And the soft power. Let me put it
Speaker 2: that way. We can't use the sea word. The lawyers
Speaker 2: will go crazy. That means they start to always give
Speaker 2: Connus the benefit of the doubt. He was the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's defense for this rubbish.
Speaker 5: From time to time members of Parliament receive a grades.
Speaker 5: What's important is that they are declared. All of mine
Speaker 5: have been declared. I knowe that arranging them go back
Speaker 5: a long a long period of time. That they have
Speaker 5: all been declared as appropriate.
Speaker 2: But guess what, he wasn't telling the truth for a
Speaker 2: long time. Anthony Abernesi was married to a labor MP,
Speaker 2: a labor minister, and at one point in time, the
Speaker 2: Deputy Premier of New South Wales, Calonel Tebbett when they
Speaker 2: flow as a family, not in their parliamentary positions, but
Speaker 2: they flew as a family, they all got the upgrade.
Speaker 2: Guess whose upgrade was not declared? Financial Review tonight with
Speaker 2: an exclusive Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi did not declare thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars in business class flights that were gifted to
Speaker 2: his former wife by Conas and its partner airline Emirates
Speaker 2: while Transport Minister. Between two thousand and nine twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: mister Albernesi traveled to Europe, Los Angeles and Honolulu on
Speaker 2: personal travel and received up grades from economy to business class,
Speaker 2: which he declared on his official register of interests. But
Speaker 2: the strong of Financial Review can reveal he did not
Speaker 2: declare the upgrades for Mss Tebbett on trips at the
Speaker 2: same time to the same locations, despite the rules stating
Speaker 2: upgrades for spouses and dependent children should be notified. Is
Speaker 2: this going to cost Anthony Aberneezy's job?
Speaker 1: No? Why?
Speaker 2: Because his defense will be you've done it too, and
Speaker 2: that's why. The story may well quickly fall away after
Speaker 2: a day or so. But does it not tell us
Speaker 2: about the difference between the way this bloke presents himself,
Speaker 2: and we all know that he's way past, way past
Speaker 2: in lifestyle expectations and economic impact and how much money
Speaker 2: he has. He's way past his childhood. And while his
Speaker 2: childhood may have shaped part of him, the reality of
Speaker 2: who he is today is that while he professes to
Speaker 2: be comfort to bull in both a boardroom and at
Speaker 2: the footy, the reality is when he goes to the footy,
Speaker 2: he sits in the private box. When he flies, it's
Speaker 2: on the private jet or it's an expectation that even
Speaker 2: when he spends his own money doing something that has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with his job, that he should be
Speaker 2: able to upgrade it to business glass the front end
Speaker 2: of the plane. Why do Australians have a problem with
Speaker 2: our political class because of stuff like this? Why do
Speaker 2: they have a problem with Anthony Abernezi specifically because remember,
Speaker 2: at the height of cost of living issues in twenty
Speaker 2: and twenty three, this government decided to take fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: dollars off ten million workers. Fifteen hundred dollars that was
Speaker 2: desperately needed to pay special bills will be able to
Speaker 2: pay off debt. Instead, that money was redeployed to canceling
Speaker 2: some student debt because he needs to do well on TikTok.
Speaker 2: This is a prime minister who is amongst political class
Speaker 2: that have got not one, but three pay rises since
Speaker 2: the last election.
Speaker 1: Three.
Speaker 2: A prime minister who now earns six hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: while living in two taxpayer funded homes with a twenty
Speaker 2: four hour.
Speaker 1: Driver staff and private planes, including.
Speaker 2: A brand new private plane which is to be delivered
Speaker 2: on his watch. We know that because he's not paying
Speaker 2: to live where he lives currently, he can afford four
Speaker 2: and million dollars for a house that he has no
Speaker 2: plans to move into because he expects to be prime
Speaker 2: minister living in the taxpayer funded ones for the next
Speaker 2: thirty years. But then there's the other example about other
Speaker 2: people's money. This federal government is going nuts on the
Speaker 2: amount of money that it is spending on ads. To
Speaker 2: tell you how awesome it is now government funded advertising,
Speaker 2: I can't stand. I don't believe any government, state of
Speaker 2: fed should be able to use it within twelve months
Speaker 2: of a federal election, because they all abuse it all
Speaker 2: the time and we end up having to pay the bill.
Speaker 2: As I've told you before, this government is using your
Speaker 2: money to spend more money on ads promoting itself than
Speaker 2: it has given to the charity sectors that help feed
Speaker 2: the almost four million people in this country who do
Speaker 2: not have a plan for breakfast, lunch or dinner, the
Speaker 2: people who access food banks. They asked the federal government
Speaker 2: for less money than they are spending promoting themselves, and
Speaker 2: they didn't even get what they asked for. That's the priorities.
Speaker 2: As again we learned today the Albanezer government is on
Speaker 2: a messaging blitz, increasing by a third its media spending
Speaker 2: on advertising campaigns on the last financial year to spirute
Speaker 2: things like the state tree cost a living relief for
Speaker 2: families and the referendum on the voice. According to the
Speaker 2: Department of Finance, Canber departments and non corporate agencies, they
Speaker 2: spend one hundred and seventy four million dollars on ads
Speaker 2: on the Internet, television and radio, as well as outdoor
Speaker 2: and print advertising. It was the highest ever annual media
Speaker 2: outlay by a federal government in a year that did
Speaker 2: not include a federal election. And you know how on
Speaker 2: this show I talk about each Way Albow perfect example.
Speaker 2: His government spends more than any government has in a
Speaker 2: non federal election year on taxpayer funded ads to make
Speaker 2: you think that the government's doing such a great job
Speaker 2: that you will re elect a government regardless of what
Speaker 2: that government does to you, including taking fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 2: off ten million workers, including almost.
Speaker 1: All of the people who work in Broken Hill.
Speaker 2: They told you cost are living first and foremost the
Speaker 2: central priority.
Speaker 1: They spent.
Speaker 2: Half a billion dollars on a referendum for a question
Speaker 2: that was marginal at best. And again, why does airbus
Speaker 2: albow work?
Speaker 1: Because it's true?
Speaker 2: Why does each way albow work? Because it's true? And
Speaker 2: in this case, when he was the opposition waving his
Speaker 2: finger at the government, this was what he thought of
Speaker 2: taxpayer funded advertising that he himself has led a government
Speaker 2: to spend more than any before.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons why the election isn't being called
Speaker 5: is so that the government can use taxpayer funds to
Speaker 5: make advertisements that they think advances the Liberal Party.
Speaker 2: Two Australias once s it's in darkness for ten days
Speaker 2: while others try to cover their backsides about having not
Speaker 2: just their snout in the trough, they're swibbing in it.
Speaker 1: Let's get to.
Speaker 2: Queensland, where again the early days of a brand new
Speaker 2: government is in place today the Liberal Party a National party,
Speaker 2: Liberal National Party. After celebrating on Saturday night, Well Deputy
Speaker 2: Premier Premier has been sworn in today, David Cruci Foley
Speaker 2: saying this today at Government House.
Speaker 6: We campaigned on the issues that people told us they
Speaker 6: wanted us focused on youth, crime, health, housing and cost
Speaker 6: of living.
Speaker 1: They remain our focus. That's going to.
Speaker 6: Be our big focus in this term of government to
Speaker 6: make sure that people see improvement across those four issues.
Speaker 2: Latest count it is getting much better for the Liberal
Speaker 2: National Party. The Queens and Electoral Commission should be ashamed
Speaker 2: of itself about how slow the camp was on Saturday
Speaker 2: night meeting. Labour was able to get in and do
Speaker 2: the garbage that they did. But have a look here.
Speaker 2: They are at forty eight seats. They're a clear majority
Speaker 2: right now. They could add another five to that. If
Speaker 2: that's the case, they get themselves to one more seat
Speaker 2: than LAY had after the twenty twenty election, which was
Speaker 2: considered a landslide win. Because I keep everyone thinking Queen
Speaker 2: for Queen dam Pampart Labour Party down to thirty one seats,
Speaker 2: they could add another three.
Speaker 1: Cataiustrati party could.
Speaker 2: Get to four Greens, look maybe two, but at this
Speaker 2: stage one and only one independent in the parliament.
Speaker 1: As for how well did Labor do well?
Speaker 2: On Saturday night while the votes would be encountered, they
Speaker 2: were trying to pretend the result was much better than
Speaker 2: what it was, almost seven points down in the primary vote,
Speaker 2: over six points for the Liberal National Party excellent piece
Speaker 2: today and the COREAMR, which actually pulled apart the bs
Speaker 2: that Labour's been pushing for the past couple of days.
Speaker 1: Have a look at this graph.
Speaker 2: It shows you the primary vote of the Labor Party
Speaker 2: over the best part of what one hundred years, with
Speaker 2: the exception of the twenty twelve smashing, this election was
Speaker 2: the second worst performance in one hundred years, one hundred years.
Speaker 2: I had to buy my tongue a million times on
Speaker 2: Saturday night when I'm sort of seeing intra LNP fighting, Oh,
Speaker 2: we should be doing better, mate.
Speaker 1: You smashed it.
Speaker 2: Labor got wiped from office, wiped from office.
Speaker 1: So when people were saying this.
Speaker 7: It was neck and neck, and Labor did put up
Speaker 7: a fight and credit.
Speaker 1: Where credits due.
Speaker 7: There are certainly a lot of Labor commentators today that
Speaker 7: say that Stephen Miles as the Premier, did a fantastic
Speaker 7: job to try and resurrect Labour's campaign.
Speaker 1: Or Labor to record. The number of seats that we
Speaker 1: did was a pretty amazing result.
Speaker 5: Gaining a seat off the Green to political party, I
Speaker 5: think sends a message as well.
Speaker 2: The lowest primary vote with one exception in oe hundred years,
Speaker 2: one hundred years, that's how badly Labor Party did. By
Speaker 2: the way, a few people have sent me this video
Speaker 2: which was somebody getting very excited on Saturday night because
Speaker 2: Stephen Miles was saying, oh, the LMP is not going
Speaker 2: to form majority government. Pay attention to the lady wearing
Speaker 2: the glasses just screaming her lungs out because thank goodness,
Speaker 2: the evil LNP has been denied majority. She's that person
Speaker 2: looks awfully like the former premier's chief of staff. That's
Speaker 2: the type of people who used to be running Queensland.
Speaker 2: That's why I have felt the way I have felt
Speaker 2: about the need for change in Queensland for as long
Speaker 2: as I have. Well, thankfully they go and they go. Really,
Speaker 2: that's just seriously, I mean, these people are possessed with
Speaker 2: the right to govern and the hate of anyone challenging it. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, you didn't just lose second worst vote in
Speaker 2: one hundred years. Stop patting yourself on the back because
Speaker 2: the people in Queensland where they booted you in the ass.
Speaker 2: As for a more sedate way of saying that, the
Speaker 2: Great Phil Couri wrote in the Australian Financial Review immediately
Speaker 2: after the election, claims that Labour did well as like
Speaker 2: saying queens in Queensland, it's like the Poms saying they
Speaker 2: won the Ashes. They caught up with the guy with
Speaker 2: the punchable face and they punched him, said a Queensland
Speaker 2: Labour source to Phil Curry. Yes it was a landslide,
Speaker 2: yet State Labor it was still banging on like the
Speaker 2: Poms claiming it feels like we've won the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three Ashes, no more so than Miles himself. Utterly graceless,
Speaker 2: tone deaf, ill mannered Trumpian concession, which of course wasn't
Speaker 2: speech unbelievable And guess what he will be rewarded by
Speaker 2: staying as the leader of the Labor Party in Queensland.
Speaker 1: The bloke who.
Speaker 2: Took them to their second worst primary vote in one
Speaker 2: hundred years, pumped up by his own bs mad staffers,
Speaker 2: fanatical and hyperpartisan people screaming about how amazing it was
Speaker 2: to deny the LNP.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So all I say is good, a second chance perhaps
Speaker 2: to teach this bloke a lesson. We'll wait and see.
Speaker 2: By the way, interesting point. In many state parliaments around Australia.
Speaker 2: Obviously the government has more people working for it than
Speaker 2: the staff is of so the Premier, the Deputy Premier,
Speaker 2: the police minister, the Education minister.
Speaker 1: But in many.
Speaker 2: States the shadow will at least have a couple of
Speaker 2: people working for them, so they'll be someone working for
Speaker 2: the shadow police minister or the shadow Housing minister. In Queensland,
Speaker 2: the entire opposition has twenty three staff and a Stagia
Speaker 2: Paliche at one point had eighty personal staff. So with
Speaker 2: a team that's moll versus a team that big and
Speaker 2: a public service and a union movement and a media,
Speaker 2: it gives you an idea about just how big it
Speaker 2: is when Queensland boots those people out, and just how
Speaker 2: impressive it is with such a small team they were
Speaker 2: able to fight and win. Labor gone in Queensland for
Speaker 2: the next four years. Whether that's going to happen at
Speaker 2: the federal level or not. Well, as you've heard me say,
Speaker 2: I see a pole here, I see a pole there
Speaker 2: with the LNP or the Liberal or National Party could
Speaker 2: be leading fifty one, fifty two, maybe fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: and I always say to you, well, reality is, the
Speaker 2: Teals are not going to move anywhere. So if the
Speaker 2: Teals don't move, then it's very hard to get to
Speaker 2: seventy six seats. So today we learned that the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party is going to try to go after the Teal
Speaker 2: MPs and they're basically going to paint them as exactly
Speaker 2: what they are, just a lighter shade of grain that
Speaker 2: Teal is essentially a hard left vote, just wrapped up
Speaker 2: in the veneer of pretending that these are former Liberal
Speaker 2: voters who's strayed from the Liberal Party, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that we all know that Zalie Stegel and others have
Speaker 2: openly admitted that they haven't voted Liberal when it comes
Speaker 2: to federal elections, including against Malcolm Turnbull. But he wouldn't
Speaker 2: care about that, would he. Here's part of the ad
Speaker 2: the Libs are.
Speaker 1: Going to run.
Speaker 7: Since the last election, Teal independent MPs have voted most
Speaker 7: often with the Greens, followed by Labor. Teal MPs voted
Speaker 7: with the Greens against tougher laws to stop criminals getting visas.
Speaker 7: Teal MPs want higher taxes, including on capital gains, housing
Speaker 7: and a higher GST. What would that mean for our economy?
Speaker 7: The next election will be close, with many commentators predicting
Speaker 7: a hung parliament. Are Labor, Greens, Teals minority government?
Speaker 1: Don't risk it now.
Speaker 2: Teals are going to love this because they're going to say, great,
Speaker 2: thanks for telling everyone. We're going to be really important.
Speaker 2: Here's my idea about how you take on the Teals.
Speaker 2: Come over here. I'm going to show you something when
Speaker 2: you actually look at the results of how most of
Speaker 2: the Teals got elected. They actually had not very small
Speaker 2: but they had much smaller primary vote, and the only
Speaker 2: way they got there was with preferences like, for example, here,
Speaker 2: let's have a look here, and I have to put
Speaker 2: my glasses on some squintings. Sadly I apologize. Curtain Western
Speaker 2: Australia Teals took this one off the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The Teal gets twenty nine percent of the vote compared
Speaker 2: to the Liberal Party's forty one percent, the Teal ends
Speaker 2: up as the MP because basically everyone else in the
Speaker 2: race gives their preferences to the Teal.
Speaker 1: That includes fourteen.
Speaker 2: Thousand voters who voted labor and Labor who got thirteen
Speaker 2: point nine percent. If the Labor vote was lower, the
Speaker 2: Liberals could beat the Teal. In the electorate of North
Speaker 2: Sydney now doesn't exist, but it makes a good point here.
Speaker 2: The Independent got twenty five percent of the vote. Labour
Speaker 2: got twenty eight hundred votes, which was twenty one percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. If Labour's vote was lower, the Liberals
Speaker 2: would have beaten the Teals in the seat of Wentworth.
Speaker 1: I think you will know where this is going.
Speaker 2: The Independent thirty five percent, Labor ten point eight or
Speaker 2: nine thousand votes. If fewer people VOTEDBA, the Teal would lose.
Speaker 2: In the seat of mckeller on the northern beaches of Sydney,
Speaker 2: the Independent vote was yes, pretty high at thirty eight percent,
Speaker 2: but Labour's vote of eight thousand, one hundred people or
Speaker 2: eight percent of the electorate. A fewer people voted Labor,
Speaker 2: then guess what, There's a chance that the Teal would
Speaker 2: have lost. So my point is this, it's all well
Speaker 2: and good to go after the record of the Teals.
Speaker 2: It's all well and good to say. Oh, imagine if
Speaker 2: the Tales were in charge. But that's kind of the
Speaker 2: message they want because it amplifies how important they are
Speaker 2: and how they're going to keep everyone accountable and we
Speaker 2: can change politics. But if you take on labor and
Speaker 2: you make it such a hard fight between team Red
Speaker 2: and Team Blue that team read losers votes, will you
Speaker 2: lose the amount of votes which can be handed to
Speaker 2: the Teals. So keep your eye on the ball. The
Speaker 2: ball is labor. And finally, a weeken a bit to
Speaker 2: go before that American election. I want to plan in
Speaker 2: a couple of days time. Yes, I'll see my family
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: Don't worry that.
Speaker 2: Hugs and FaceTime is a wonderful way of staying in touch.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Asher on your pen Lissnse. By the way, Danny, Well,
Speaker 2: today Donald Trump was at Madison Square Garden, which just
Speaker 2: that's such a huge thing, the idea that he's able
Speaker 2: to pull that crowd, that many people, all of those endorsements.
Speaker 2: This was mega, all right, absolutely mega, And don't fall
Speaker 2: full of garbage.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a Nazi rally for the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 2: Republicans have been there many times before, conventions, all the
Speaker 2: rest of it.
Speaker 1: So just throw that to one side.
Speaker 2: Harris in the past couple of days while she found
Speaker 2: a new accent when she was at a black church.
Speaker 2: But now because we're getting close to the day, the
Speaker 2: media is now having to actually be honest about what's
Speaker 2: happening here.
Speaker 1: This was NBC, but we have seen.
Speaker 2: A number four in the last four days that have
Speaker 2: shown very small but in the context of this.
Speaker 8: Close race, potentially meaningful movement in Trump's direction.
Speaker 2: No, can you imagine the screen again, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you don't know. I've showed you data last night that
Speaker 2: shows how Harris can get there.
Speaker 1: Well, the propensity of data is saying how Trump's going
Speaker 1: to get there again.
Speaker 2: I'll show you this every single night, which is the
Speaker 2: real clear politics average of all of the poles other
Speaker 2: sites that have decide and pick and choose, but in
Speaker 2: all of them, Trump is leading in the battleground states. Now,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be taking anything to the bank
Speaker 2: that's zero point two or zero point five. But the
Speaker 2: point is he's grossly underperformed the polls in previous times
Speaker 2: where they just got the number wrong for him. So
Speaker 2: if he's leading, this could be a massive blowout. Or
Speaker 2: for some reason they've overcounted Trump voters and it's going
Speaker 2: to be a massive blowout for Harris. But I think
Speaker 2: we know what's happening here. To show you about those
Speaker 2: national polls. Now, remember Trump's never won a national popular vote.
Speaker 2: Have a look here at the difference between the red
Speaker 2: lines and the blue lines. That black line in the middle,
Speaker 2: all of that to the left is before Biden, Trump leading,
Speaker 2: Trump leading. Then the summer of vibes and the brat
Speaker 2: summer meant she went up, up, up, up up.
Speaker 1: But look what's happened.
Speaker 2: He's closed the deal, She's fallen off, and now he
Speaker 2: is in front.
Speaker 1: In fact, on.
Speaker 2: This very day four years ago, Biden led by seven
Speaker 2: point five percent in the national vote. Eight years ago,
Speaker 2: on this very day, Clinton led by four.
Speaker 1: Point six percent.
Speaker 2: Back to the MSG rally today Madison Square Garden in
Speaker 2: New York, there was a comedian, Tony Hinchcliff. I think
Speaker 2: he's great when it comes to roasting, but he probably
Speaker 2: wasn't the great pick to turn out here because he
Speaker 2: plays a pretty rough game, including jokes that the internet
Speaker 2: have deemed to be deeply racist, offensive, and an example
Speaker 2: of why you must not vote for Trump.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you guys know this, but there's
Speaker 8: literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of
Speaker 8: the ocean right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's called Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: So that'll play out for the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: But you've heard the joke as opposed to reading about
Speaker 2: it in a.
Speaker 1: Couple of days.
Speaker 2: Time for Trump best part of his speech, this is
Speaker 2: the closing message. You should say this a thousand times
Speaker 2: over the next eight days. I'd like to begin by
Speaker 2: asking a very simple question, Are you better off now
Speaker 2: than you were.
Speaker 1: Four years ago? On issue after issue? Tamala broke it,
Speaker 1: but I will fix it. We're going to fix it.
Speaker 2: As for Kamala Harris now being confronted by the reality
Speaker 2: that the polling is not what it should be, which
Speaker 2: is she should be running away with it because she's
Speaker 2: running against Hitler, will she proved herself to be the
Speaker 2: genius that we know her to be.
Speaker 9: So, to be very frank with you, my internal polling
Speaker 9: is my instinct.
Speaker 1: I let the campaign people deal with all that other stuff.
Speaker 9: And I am responding to what I'm seeing. I mean,
Speaker 9: just two nights ago we had thirty thousand people show up.
Speaker 9: I think it was actually one than thirty thousand people
Speaker 9: with an incredible amount of enthusiasm. If you see the
Speaker 9: people have shown up last night, every event that we do,
Speaker 9: and the feeling is one of energy and excitement.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you this question, who do you think is
Speaker 2: winning more In a sec You're on pul Murray Live
Speaker 2: analyst Nilson. We will get to at a moment or
Speaker 2: two his time about the American election, but let's talk
Speaker 2: about what's happening here in Australia from airline upgrades to
Speaker 2: two Australias. Big chat coming up next here on pul
Speaker 2: Murray Life. All right, let's get right into it right now,
Speaker 2: Matt Canavan said in a Matt Canaban of course, standing
Speaker 2: by for.
Speaker 1: Us right now.
Speaker 2: Victorious in Queensland, Excited about a new broom, domestos being
Speaker 2: sent to the offices of all incoming ministers. Congratulations to
Speaker 2: the LNP team made over the weekend. Commiserations to Sam Crosby,
Speaker 2: who I know was just every fifteen minutes. Mate, Please
Speaker 2: please tell me it's not this bad. Please tell oh
Speaker 2: that Anthony Green says we're doing much better than we
Speaker 2: Actually the.
Speaker 4: Night I was pretty happy. I'm sure I went to
Speaker 4: bed thinking this is okay.
Speaker 1: I wake up. Oh yeah, well that's a bit sore.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the You read the numbers today and.
Speaker 2: You're really a lot worth today the second lowest primary
Speaker 2: in our hundred years. All right, now, let's have the
Speaker 2: chat about the upgrade stuff. Okay, Jim Chalmers today should
Speaker 2: have just said yeah, probably, I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: never picked up the phone to Allen Joyce. This is
Speaker 2: what he had to say about him moving up to
Speaker 2: the front of the plane.
Speaker 3: I haven't asked Alan Joyce. No, I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: I have received one. I don't think so, but i'd
Speaker 3: have to have a look.
Speaker 2: Now, Matt is what is going to, for want of
Speaker 2: a better term, save the Prime Minister here and again,
Speaker 2: I don't believe he's about to be sent off to
Speaker 2: the Corruption Commission or he's about to resign office in
Speaker 2: the next couple of days. But it's what's going to
Speaker 2: save him here that he's going to turn around and.
Speaker 1: Say, well, well, everyone does it. Everyone does it.
Speaker 2: The problem is not everyone picks up the phone to
Speaker 2: the CEO of the biggest company in the portfolio that
Speaker 2: theoretically you were regulating as the Transport Minister. If you
Speaker 2: did that as the Racing Minister, I think you wouldn't
Speaker 2: last the week.
Speaker 8: Well, exactly right, Paul. I don't think everyone does it.
Speaker 8: I certainly wasn't aware that there was a red telephone
Speaker 8: in Allan Joyce's office which we could call and just
Speaker 8: request some random upgrades. Look, I've got Jim, I think
Speaker 8: was fine answering that question. I don't believe I've got
Speaker 8: an upgrade either. I certainly haven't got one on personal flights.
Speaker 8: We do take lots of business flights obviously, But yeah,
Speaker 8: I just I beggars belief for me that you'd call
Speaker 8: up Alan Joyce and ask personally for an upgrade, especially
Speaker 8: as you say, when you were the responsible minister regulating
Speaker 8: that company. It's completely inappropriate behavior and the Primister hasn't
Speaker 8: given a good explanation for why he conducted it. I
Speaker 8: do think there are really coal questions that need to
Speaker 8: be asked now. I actually did ask a question of
Speaker 8: Contus when we had Alan Joyce before the Senate Cost
Speaker 8: of Living Committee last year. I asked them to provide
Speaker 8: a list of all upgrades that they'd provided to best
Speaker 8: Albineasy's family, staff or anyone else traveling with him. They
Speaker 8: refuse to do so for privacy reasons, but because of
Speaker 8: these latest allegations and the connection to the Prime Minister's
Speaker 8: ministerial responsibilities at the time, I think quite should answer
Speaker 8: that question. And I know I've been talking to colleagues
Speaker 8: about ways and means. We could we use the Senate
Speaker 8: to force the answer to that question, because I think
Speaker 8: it's strained. People deserve to know.
Speaker 2: Sim why is travel always a blind spot for politicians?
Speaker 2: I mean, we all know on this side of the fence.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: And I mean, how many MPs have lost their jobs
Speaker 4: over the last fifty years from travel roots, you know,
Speaker 4: going back from governments and governments and governments.
Speaker 1: Look, it's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think, I think federally because they do so much
Speaker 4: of it, you know, I mean every week Matt calls
Speaker 4: in from a different part of Australia. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't know when any of these guys see their families
Speaker 4: because they are always on the road.
Speaker 1: So I think they have to run absolutely big joints
Speaker 1: once a month. I get it. It's a big twenty
Speaker 1: six weeks of the year.
Speaker 4: You've got to fly down you know, or most of
Speaker 4: them have to fly down to Canberra. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 4: you know, just to go to their other workplace.
Speaker 1: But it's when you go on holidays to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: About Hawaii and Australian point of course. Such trouble.
Speaker 4: But look, you know, to your point, is he going
Speaker 4: to get out of this because he's able to say, well,
Speaker 4: everyone does it? Yeah, I kind of think he is,
Speaker 4: because I kind of think every I don't know about
Speaker 4: Matt and Jim, but certainly I know a lot of
Speaker 4: them have had upgrades.
Speaker 1: But what happens is is that automatically.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just going to say, I just
Speaker 8: go back to what I was saying. I mean, obviously
Speaker 8: talk to politicians. I don't think any of us to
Speaker 8: do what Anthiobaneese is alleged to have done in this case.
Speaker 8: I'm certainly not aware of it. But that's the difference here.
Speaker 8: I mean, I say, I don't think I've ever got
Speaker 8: an upgrade. It must have been special enough. But from
Speaker 8: what I know, I think the upgrades normally happened when
Speaker 8: you just get to the airport. So I would you
Speaker 8: like to be upgraded?
Speaker 4: Sir?
Speaker 8: Okay, you're not going to say no, presumably, But this
Speaker 8: idea that you'd call ahead to the CEO of the company,
Speaker 8: come on and ask him to give you special attention.
Speaker 8: There's something fishy about that, all right.
Speaker 1: Broken Hill, Matt.
Speaker 2: Something that you are phenomenal in your representation of regional Australia,
Speaker 2: not just a specific part of regional Australia that you
Speaker 2: live in is and it's really opened my not open
Speaker 2: my eyes, but certainly underline my central belief over the
Speaker 2: past five years and why we do. Our town is
Speaker 2: to twenty seven million people, and they live in lots
Speaker 2: of different places, and all of them have a right
Speaker 2: to healthcare and to be happy and to have a
Speaker 2: job in housing and all.
Speaker 1: The rest of it.
Speaker 2: What is the broken hill ten days without power and
Speaker 2: the collective national attitude to it? Say to you about
Speaker 2: what I was mentioning when it came to those two Australias.
Speaker 8: Well, lots of those, lots of those smaller parts of
Speaker 8: this country feel feel justifiably ignored. Obviously, if something like
Speaker 8: this had happened in a major city. It would be
Speaker 8: front page news all around the country while it was happening.
Speaker 8: Yet this is only just because news after the event,
Speaker 8: and I'm guilty myself. I didn't realize it until it
Speaker 8: was reported in Australia and I have spoken to some
Speaker 8: of my New South Wales National's colleagues today after discovering it,
Speaker 8: and it's a shocking circumstance that Broken Hill found themselves in. Obviously,
Speaker 8: this was a freak storm that caused this, but it
Speaker 8: didn't seem to be a lot of a care or
Speaker 8: concern for what is a historic community that does produce
Speaker 8: continues to produce a lot of wealth for our country.
Speaker 8: My news of those National colleagues are calling on the
Speaker 8: government to declare this a natural disaster and that would
Speaker 8: unlock the normal assistance that occurs for people that have
Speaker 8: lost food items and their fridge had damage and have
Speaker 8: to now have a thousand dollars in cost in some
Speaker 8: cases to respond. So I hope the government does listen
Speaker 8: to those concerns now that more Australians know about it.
Speaker 8: I should also add too that another thing that's not
Speaker 8: yet reported to me that I have heard through the
Speaker 8: traps is that Roxby Downs is also out of power
Speaker 8: and now I'm not sure if it's the same storm,
Speaker 8: but it's a similarly from storms.
Speaker 1: It's been out of.
Speaker 8: Power for over a week now. While some power has
Speaker 8: been restored, the Olympic Dam mine and smelter is still
Speaker 8: not at production for production capacity. It's costing HP of fortune,
Speaker 8: costing our country a lot of money. And again just
Speaker 8: coast totally unreported for the people who have to suffer
Speaker 8: through it.
Speaker 1: The country areas.
Speaker 2: Correct, but you know, if there's a traffic delay on
Speaker 2: the way to the stadium because Taylor's was intown rolling
Speaker 2: coverage when it comes to the cities. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get a bumper sticker versions out of both of you
Speaker 2: about Queensland, because obviously I want to give you one
Speaker 2: shot in America before.
Speaker 1: I head off.
Speaker 2: Labour second lowest primary vote in one hundred years. Yes,
Speaker 2: Green's pushed a little further back.
Speaker 4: Look, I guess it's all about expectations and when you
Speaker 4: start off like we went into that election thinking it
Speaker 4: was going to be like the Toarago election when annably
Speaker 4: got absolutely decimated because it's a bus it's better well, yes, genuinely,
Speaker 4: like in four years time, And you know, I genuinely
Speaker 4: think Stephen should do the right thing by the party
Speaker 4: and go to the back bench and give us a
Speaker 4: chance to rebuild and put up some other faces who
Speaker 4: aren't associated with the last how many years ago.
Speaker 2: Success of the New South Wales Labor Party was the
Speaker 2: people who got booted or got flushed. The people who
Speaker 2: got elected were all brand new faces. Well, and you
Speaker 2: look at South Australia.
Speaker 4: Peter Mallanowskis came back after one term because Jay did
Speaker 4: the right thing and left. You look at Brumby and
Speaker 4: Dan Andrews was able to come back after one term
Speaker 4: because Brummy did a really good job. And similarly, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to give Steven Miles two hard a Tom.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you'll help you with that more than but
Speaker 4: I do think from a labors perspective he did not
Speaker 4: embarrass himself. He should be lauded as having had a
Speaker 4: dignified exit. But now, you know, do the right thing
Speaker 4: and go to the back Then.
Speaker 2: As I said, whatever goodwill that may will have been
Speaker 2: built up for a couple of weeks, he blew on election, right, Matt,
Speaker 2: your thoughts on little details here, little details there, what
Speaker 2: did you think.
Speaker 8: Well, look, I mean the reason Sam went to bed
Speaker 8: happy on Saturday night because the election day vote was
Speaker 8: a lot closer than the vote leading up to it.
Speaker 8: And the problem for the Labor Party was only a
Speaker 8: third of Queens leaders voted on election day, so when
Speaker 8: those Prepole numbers came in the two thirds the voted early,
Speaker 8: they voted very differently and voted massively against Labor. So
Speaker 8: it could have been very well the bust if that
Speaker 8: trend had continued right through election day. And look, it's
Speaker 8: a great win for the LMP. It's been a long
Speaker 8: time since they've formed government. They deserved the plaud for
Speaker 8: achieving that. At some time, though, of course, we'll have
Speaker 8: to look at that campaign and understand why there was
Speaker 8: such a big difference in the vote on election day
Speaker 8: compared to pre pole. My early estimation is being on
Speaker 8: the booze, is that it's a lesson that you can't
Speaker 8: fat the pig on market day, and especially trying to
Speaker 8: dock off a first term government federally, we need to
Speaker 8: have some pretty coherent and strong policies to withstand the
Speaker 8: inevitable labor Scare campaign.
Speaker 1: When the only thing that.
Speaker 8: The Labor Party excelled at over the last decade in
Speaker 8: Queensland was running the mother of all scare campaigns about
Speaker 8: Campbell human and we got there in the end, but
Speaker 8: we probably risk the trip the light fantastic a bit
Speaker 8: by ourselves not having a lot of policies to defend
Speaker 8: against that scare campaign.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, lads.
Speaker 2: I will talk to you next week, even though I'll
Speaker 2: be in America, you'll be here. The way of these
Speaker 2: America shows are going to work is yes, I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk a lot, but it was still going to
Speaker 2: talk about Australia and these lads will both look.
Speaker 1: Probably the same. I'm slightly happier than Sam right now.
Speaker 2: I wonder why quick break back with more here on
Speaker 2: Paulmurray Live Analysis in the US.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to her next.
Speaker 2: We are just over a week out from that American election.
Speaker 2: I will be in the US for all of our
Speaker 2: shows next week. Again, I'm just making it clear, yes
Speaker 2: that'll be the focus of the shows, but we're going
Speaker 2: to be doing Australian news and the normal panels as well. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's just all data all the time,
Speaker 2: but a person, I'm very much looking forward to seeing
Speaker 2: with my own eyes is my wonderful friend Analise Nielsen,
Speaker 2: who right now is in Pennsylvania. Analyse that's the state,
Speaker 2: that's the one that's the tipping p give us an idea.
Speaker 2: Have you finally been able to meet the one person
Speaker 2: who's absolutely sure of what the result's going to be
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania?
Speaker 10: Absolutely not, not at least everyone we've met here. Who's
Speaker 10: the actual who are the actual voters that are going
Speaker 10: to decide this thing? But the one thing I can
Speaker 10: tell you, Paul, from the people we've been talking to
Speaker 10: is it seems like a lot of the passion has
Speaker 10: gone on both sides. I've had volunteers tell me in
Speaker 10: multiple states they have fewer problems having their signs stolen.
Speaker 10: We talked to a bartender yesterday who said she's had
Speaker 10: fewer people fighting in her bar over politics. And that's
Speaker 10: the mood at the moment. No one's excited about any
Speaker 10: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking here at the latest poles in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Trump leading, Trump leading, Harris leading, Trump leading, Trump leading,
Speaker 2: Trump leading, Trump leading, which is why they say he's
Speaker 2: ever so slightly in front. Do you meet people who
Speaker 2: have changed their mind in the past four years in
Speaker 2: a place like Pennsylvania, because if everyone goes back to
Speaker 2: the same corners, we know. But the whole point is
Speaker 2: the assumption is that what's happened there over the past
Speaker 2: four years will move people in directions. Are you interacting
Speaker 2: as you go around the country. Are people willing to
Speaker 2: say I was Trump, then I was Biden, now I'm trumping.
Speaker 10: In Absolutely, But it goes both ways. And we've heard
Speaker 10: it from Democrats who said they've supported them for a
Speaker 10: long time and now they've had a really tough four years.
Speaker 10: The economy has been bad, and a lot of them
Speaker 10: in America, in a non compulsory system, sitting it out
Speaker 10: it can have the same effect as actually casting about it.
Speaker 10: And we hear from Trump supporters who say they've fed
Speaker 10: up with the drama. They don't want to go back
Speaker 10: to any of the kind of heightened politics of the
Speaker 10: Trump years, and they're just not excited about Kamala Harris either,
Speaker 10: So they're going to sit this out as well, which
Speaker 10: is why it's so interesting to see so many people
Speaker 10: casting their ballots early. We know Republicans have completely changed
Speaker 10: their chute on this. They said twenty twenty, don't vote early,
Speaker 10: it'll get stolen this time around, they're saying, we've got
Speaker 10: to swamp the vote. Just get your vote in. However,
Speaker 10: but I think it's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 10: what that surge looks like in the final few days,
Speaker 10: because there are still people who haven't made up their
Speaker 10: mind quite genuinely.
Speaker 2: Well, and also, can I caution anyone who goes sort
Speaker 2: of Twitter diving and you see people talking about, oh,
Speaker 2: the early vote for Republicans is this, and the Democrats
Speaker 2: is that there's a third group called Independence.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, Independence currently in national polling Harris's slightly slightly above.
Speaker 2: So if the Republicans are just in front Democrats are
Speaker 2: just behind, well, then that can be the difference in
Speaker 2: the world and vice versa. Okay, So again, lots of
Speaker 2: people will see what's happening. We don't know until Wednesday
Speaker 2: of next week, and at least the closing arguments we
Speaker 2: know what it is. Where there's going to be sort
Speaker 2: of focus on January sixth and the shadows of it
Speaker 2: from Kamala Harris Trump of course, Madison Square Garden. He'll
Speaker 2: cop it a bit for the comedian for a couple
Speaker 2: of days, but other than that, she broke it, I'll
Speaker 2: fix it. It feels like to me Trump has a
Speaker 2: more convincing argument than Harris.
Speaker 10: But what do you think, Well, look on the try
Speaker 10: side of the ledger, we have an economy that people
Speaker 10: aren't happy about. Cost of living is just something everyone
Speaker 10: brings up with us. The only people who tell us
Speaker 10: they don't feel the pinch of cost of living are
Speaker 10: those retired people who are drawing on Social Security and
Speaker 10: have fixed expenses. And they're tending to lean more Republican
Speaker 10: as well because they think that Donald Trump is the
Speaker 10: person that they trust or not touched that. When we're
Speaker 10: looking at the polling around how Americans feel the country
Speaker 10: is going to have in the sixties and seventies percent
Speaker 10: people saying that the country's going the wrong direction. That
Speaker 10: really should be fatal for anyone seeking reelection. And I
Speaker 10: guess that's the big question is do people consider Kamala
Speaker 10: Harris new or is she considered the incumbent. We hear
Speaker 10: that cut both ways, and it tends to be based
Speaker 10: on just how much they hate Donald Trump is when
Speaker 10: they put that argument forward. But on the whole people
Speaker 10: are really suffering, and that is a really strong argument
Speaker 10: for Donald Trump to say, hey, things are pretty good
Speaker 10: when I was in If you do, I mean, we
Speaker 10: can go into all the machinations of the economy and
Speaker 10: what really made it good, what's really going to make
Speaker 10: it good. But at the end of the day, people
Speaker 10: can't afford what they could four years ago. It is
Speaker 10: very obvious and it's a very strong campaign point for.
Speaker 2: Trump and at least Follo I was paying attention to
Speaker 2: every word that you had to say. That beautiful tree
Speaker 2: behind you as well, can't wait to be there.
Speaker 1: So you went about well just a few days time, Dula,
Speaker 1: thank you all the best an list's reporting.
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow