WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 28 October

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Chari, see you again tomorrow night. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Wide a weekend in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>So on top of it, Erebus winning the Sunday Race

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<v Speaker 2>at the Golf Coast.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a fun weekend. Thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>all of your support over it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, obviously we start to turn our attention towards the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. We'll get to that a little later tonight

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<v Speaker 2>with Analyze Nielsen. But first, of course, let's talk about Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>For as long as we've been doing the Ourtown project

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<v Speaker 2>was about five years and growing now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I look forward to it continuing for many more years.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had the absolute privilege of being able to see

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<v Speaker 2>little towns, big cities, regional centers, and something is obvious

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<v Speaker 2>every time we go to many of these places, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that there are two Australias. There is the heavily

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<v Speaker 2>urban eye sort of woke inner cities. There's the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 2>But then of course the other is regional Australia and

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<v Speaker 2>the priorities that are often talked about by the media,

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<v Speaker 2>that is sitting in those urbanized environments talking to other

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<v Speaker 2>people in and around the inner cities is often a

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<v Speaker 2>world away from the experience of those who live hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of kilometers away. The joy of our town is that

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<v Speaker 2>we're able to connect and show our commitment to those

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<v Speaker 2>regional areas every single month, and we try to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about regional issues at the start of the program on

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<v Speaker 2>nights like this. And there is no greater example of

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<v Speaker 2>the two Australias than what is playing out right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful Broken Hill, far western New South Wales, a place

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<v Speaker 2>we went to for our town recently. There was always

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<v Speaker 2>a dream of mind to go to Broken Hill. The

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<v Speaker 2>legendary television and radio broadcaster Clive Robertson had always told

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<v Speaker 2>me that this is the ultimate place to go and

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<v Speaker 2>see the sunset and the ultimate place to look at

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<v Speaker 2>the stars. He wasn't wrong when we had the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. But as you know, the story of

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<v Speaker 2>Broken Hill is something we have been talking about for

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<v Speaker 2>the past week or so because it's a town that

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<v Speaker 2>has had no power. Now, no power doesn't just mean

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<v Speaker 2>that the TV doesn't work. It means that the fridge

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work. It means that the that the heater or

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<v Speaker 2>the fan you can imagine right you will know what

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<v Speaker 2>it's like to lose power for a couple of hours,

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<v Speaker 2>kids freak out because there's no internet. Will imagine an

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<v Speaker 2>extended period of time that is part of ten days

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<v Speaker 2>that that's been taking place. Now slowly relief has made

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<v Speaker 2>its way towards Broken Hill. Today, the New Suba's government

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<v Speaker 2>was growing that they are sending emergency food trucks because

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<v Speaker 2>of how much food has frankly gone rotten because you

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<v Speaker 2>can't keep it cold for many people who don't live

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<v Speaker 2>in the absolute center of Broken Hill. The further out

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<v Speaker 2>you go, the more supply you end up trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep in a freezer in the garage. Of course, no power,

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<v Speaker 2>no food, food that all has to be chucked, but

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<v Speaker 2>food that isn't just to get you through the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days, It could be a whole lot longer

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<v Speaker 2>than that. And there is an absolutely brilliant journalist writer,

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<v Speaker 2>Rogue Larken, who I have adored following for years. Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Marx is his name, and Jack has been a reporter

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<v Speaker 2>who has done classic news stories. He's somebody who's done features.

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<v Speaker 2>He told incredible roguish stories in a fabulous book about

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of forgotten Australian history and he feels like

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<v Speaker 2>a bloke sometimes from a different era, but he lives

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<v Speaker 2>in Broken Hill. And he wrote one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful things that I have read in a long time

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<v Speaker 2>today in the Australian newspaper. While everyone's distracted by business

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<v Speaker 2>class flights and upgrades and elections and all of those

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of things, this is what he wrote about the

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful city that feels like a town that is Broken Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks about how the power has been out for

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<v Speaker 2>ten days, the troubling town has been its own way,

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<v Speaker 2>in its own way, entertaining. Argent Street's never been so

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<v Speaker 2>jammed with kids on BMX bikes. McDonald's blessed with emergency

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<v Speaker 2>power or sold more burghers than the slaughterhouse can cope with.

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<v Speaker 1>Home invasions are at an.

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<v Speaker 2>All time low because burglars can't find their way through

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<v Speaker 2>the front or the back doors. He knows this from

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<v Speaker 2>personal experience, because of course it's so dark. He goes

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<v Speaker 2>on to say, the real problem is that Australia doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>give a hoot about Broken Hill, not since we stopped

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<v Speaker 2>producing over half of the nation's export wealth for most

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<v Speaker 2>of the twentieth century. The mines are pretty much empty

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<v Speaker 2>now Broken Hill is a welfare republic. A quarter of

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<v Speaker 2>the city is on pensions, the other quarter is on

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<v Speaker 2>the dole, so it's payback time. Politicians would rather us

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<v Speaker 2>move to the coast or throw ourselves down one of

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<v Speaker 2>the mine shafts and never climb out. We cost them

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<v Speaker 2>too much and the money sorely needed to build stadiums

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<v Speaker 2>where blokes can smash each other faces in and then

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<v Speaker 2>defecating hotel lobbies. His comment, of course, is about priorities

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<v Speaker 2>and many of the themes that I talk about on

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<v Speaker 2>this show, and the way that I view the world

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<v Speaker 2>through those who lead our governments, the media who supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>hold them to account, and the businesses that profess to

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<v Speaker 2>have something called a social license, is that you can

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<v Speaker 2>see the priorities of all of those organizations. And when

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<v Speaker 2>the city of Broken Hill went into darkness, there was

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<v Speaker 2>the odd little mention of the news, a little brush

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<v Speaker 2>past it here and there, but it wasn't treated as

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<v Speaker 2>if this was a significant thing that was happening to

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<v Speaker 2>our fellow Australians and that help should have been sent

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<v Speaker 2>much earlier, much faster. And that includes people to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it, because when we talk about it, it helps

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<v Speaker 2>force the politicians to get off their backsides and actually

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<v Speaker 2>do something. He goes on again, this is a spectacular piece.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't read it all to you as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to read from the very start. At

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<v Speaker 2>the very end, he says, I went to the letterbox.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a bill from Essential Energy. The power was out. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>my toilet does not rely on electricity. I love Jack Marx.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly think he's got a unique and very special talent.

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<v Speaker 2>If we can get him on the Telly sometime soon,

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<v Speaker 2>He's been on the show many many years ago, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to do so. But Brokenhell should be very proud

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<v Speaker 2>that it has a voice like Jax to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to put it in a very straightforward manner. What they've

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<v Speaker 2>been through for the past ten days and what for

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<v Speaker 2>more than a week would not be acceptable if it

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<v Speaker 2>was a suburb of Canberra, would not be acceptable if

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<v Speaker 2>it was a place that the people in the media

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<v Speaker 2>go to for holidays after things like bushfires. But because

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<v Speaker 2>it's way way out, people didn't respond to it in

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<v Speaker 2>the fashion that they should have. This is an excellent

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<v Speaker 2>juxtaposition two Australias people who literally sit in the dark

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<v Speaker 2>for ten days with a trickling of attention and a

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<v Speaker 2>trickling of hope that is now starting to catch up,

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<v Speaker 2>and a national conversation about just how taking for granted

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<v Speaker 2>political and media classes about things like the front of

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<v Speaker 2>the plane, you know. Of the past couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>the story that is fast turning into a scandal for

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister is about the number of upgrades, free

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<v Speaker 2>upgrades that he got from Quantus. He of course got

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<v Speaker 2>them while he was the Transport Minister. He got them

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<v Speaker 2>while he was the shadow Transport Minister, and presumably the

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<v Speaker 2>same when it came to private travel as both opposition leader.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got a problem here where the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are charged with taking care of people in Broken Hill

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<v Speaker 2>are so disconnected from the people in Broken Hill that

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<v Speaker 2>they just take for granted that they are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be spoilt by an airline that they are supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be regulating. But they become so familiar with this airline,

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<v Speaker 2>and this airline is very clever at being able to

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<v Speaker 2>Dutchess politicians and the media that everyone thinks there's something

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<v Speaker 2>normal when in actual fact it's not normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Now have I flown business class? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Have I been spoilt by virgin at times. Absolutely, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always aware that ninety five percent of people who

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<v Speaker 2>fly have never even been in business class once, so

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<v Speaker 2>I never expect it, you never demand it. And of

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<v Speaker 2>course the reality is that most Australians don't fly every

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<v Speaker 2>day or every week. They might do it once a

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<v Speaker 2>year when they want to go on a major holiday

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really expensive, but because it's the taxpayer that's

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<v Speaker 2>paying for it, they just expect the upgrade. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the taxpayer that's paying and it's them that's

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<v Speaker 2>paying for a holiday, well then they still expect it,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's their money.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Special about these people apart from the jobs that they hold.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reality is, no doubt we will learn in

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<v Speaker 2>the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Few days, is they're all in it.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the politicians are in on it, all of

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<v Speaker 2>the public servants are in on it, all of the

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<v Speaker 2>media is inornant. So it was funny to watch them

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<v Speaker 2>squirm today when they were being asked to justify what

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<v Speaker 2>most people think is unjustify a ball, which is to

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<v Speaker 2>be treated like a king when you're just one of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't asked all and Joyce, no, I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>if I have received one, I don't think so, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'd have to have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Look and I'll declare that, and people can make their

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<v Speaker 2>own judgment about whether they think about what they think

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>We've declared that, but it's not affecting the position that

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<v Speaker 4>we've been arguing.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a member of that chairman's lounge?

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<v Speaker 4>I am, and pretty much almost all federal politicians are.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone, but pretty much everyone is.

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<v Speaker 2>See this, in part is the problem right now. In

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<v Speaker 2>absolute fairness, the reason business class exists is because there

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<v Speaker 2>is a need sometimes so people have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more space to be able to bang away on a

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<v Speaker 2>laptop if they're working, or because they had meetings either

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<v Speaker 2>side and they've been in four cities in three I

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<v Speaker 2>get it right.

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<v Speaker 1>We understand why it's there.

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<v Speaker 2>But because everyone is in on the game, everyone's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of immune from criticism because as soon as you turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and you go after one, their defense will be,

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<v Speaker 2>well what about you? And generally speaking, any organization or

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<v Speaker 2>any culture where the way you get away with doing

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<v Speaker 2>something bad is to say you did it too means

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<v Speaker 2>nobody ends up calling anyone out. Now again, are there

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<v Speaker 2>times when the front of the plane is the appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>place to fly. Yes, let's not be childish about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not pretend that they have to always sit in

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<v Speaker 2>the last row next to the toilet. But the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that taken for granted that this is how I should

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<v Speaker 2>fly and this is where I should wait for my

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<v Speaker 2>flight so people don't interrupt me is the complete anathema

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<v Speaker 2>of what they pretend to be as politicians, which is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here for you, we feel your pain, we understand

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<v Speaker 2>you can walk up to me in the street and

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<v Speaker 2>ask me anything at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>When the reality is that's just what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen it with my own eyes, and things like Broken

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<v Speaker 2>Hill will say, like remember Alice Springs a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years ago with albow. There's a serious problem, serious problems

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<v Speaker 2>in and around crime. Well, he flies in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of hours, shakes hands, is there to make it look

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<v Speaker 2>like he cares, and then he bugers off after a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of hours in and off to the tennis with

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<v Speaker 2>VIP seats for the next three days. When you forget

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<v Speaker 2>that how people treat you is about your job, not

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<v Speaker 2>about how awesome you are as the human being, then

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<v Speaker 2>you have started to lose perspective. You've started to lose

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<v Speaker 2>understanding and you start to lose accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know. The Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Says all of this is fine, despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he was essentially the referee, the regulator and contas is

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<v Speaker 2>the single biggest airline that he's dealing with his Transport minister,

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<v Speaker 2>that there's nothing weird, not about his secretary calling somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else's secretary, but him calling the CEO to say, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>about the front of the plane. Mate, Oh yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>you're sure. And the soft power. Let me put it

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<v Speaker 2>that way. We can't use the sea word. The lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>will go crazy. That means they start to always give

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<v Speaker 2>Connus the benefit of the doubt. He was the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister's defense for this rubbish.

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<v Speaker 5>From time to time members of Parliament receive a grades.

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<v Speaker 5>What's important is that they are declared. All of mine

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<v Speaker 5>have been declared. I knowe that arranging them go back

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<v Speaker 5>a long a long period of time. That they have

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<v Speaker 5>all been declared as appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what, he wasn't telling the truth for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. Anthony Abernesi was married to a labor MP,

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<v Speaker 2>a labor minister, and at one point in time, the

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<v Speaker 2>Deputy Premier of New South Wales, Calonel Tebbett when they

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<v Speaker 2>flow as a family, not in their parliamentary positions, but

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<v Speaker 2>they flew as a family, they all got the upgrade.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess whose upgrade was not declared? Financial Review tonight with

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<v Speaker 2>an exclusive Prime Minister Anthony Albernesi did not declare thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars in business class flights that were gifted to

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<v Speaker 2>his former wife by Conas and its partner airline Emirates

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<v Speaker 2>while Transport Minister. Between two thousand and nine twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Albernesi traveled to Europe, Los Angeles and Honolulu on

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<v Speaker 2>personal travel and received up grades from economy to business class,

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<v Speaker 2>which he declared on his official register of interests. But

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<v Speaker 2>the strong of Financial Review can reveal he did not

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<v Speaker 2>declare the upgrades for Mss Tebbett on trips at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time to the same locations, despite the rules stating

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<v Speaker 2>upgrades for spouses and dependent children should be notified. Is

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<v Speaker 2>this going to cost Anthony Aberneezy's job?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Because his defense will be you've done it too, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why. The story may well quickly fall away after

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<v Speaker 2>a day or so. But does it not tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about the difference between the way this bloke presents himself,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all know that he's way past, way past

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<v Speaker 2>in lifestyle expectations and economic impact and how much money

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<v Speaker 2>he has. He's way past his childhood. And while his

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<v Speaker 2>childhood may have shaped part of him, the reality of

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<v Speaker 2>who he is today is that while he professes to

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<v Speaker 2>be comfort to bull in both a boardroom and at

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<v Speaker 2>the footy, the reality is when he goes to the footy,

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<v Speaker 2>he sits in the private box. When he flies, it's

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<v Speaker 2>on the private jet or it's an expectation that even

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<v Speaker 2>when he spends his own money doing something that has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with his job, that he should be

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<v Speaker 2>able to upgrade it to business glass the front end

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<v Speaker 2>of the plane. Why do Australians have a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>our political class because of stuff like this? Why do

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<v Speaker 2>they have a problem with Anthony Abernezi specifically because remember,

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<v Speaker 2>at the height of cost of living issues in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty three, this government decided to take fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars off ten million workers. Fifteen hundred dollars that was

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<v Speaker 2>desperately needed to pay special bills will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>pay off debt. Instead, that money was redeployed to canceling

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<v Speaker 2>some student debt because he needs to do well on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a prime minister who is amongst political class

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<v Speaker 2>that have got not one, but three pay rises since

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<v Speaker 2>the last election.

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<v Speaker 1>Three.

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<v Speaker 2>A prime minister who now earns six hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>while living in two taxpayer funded homes with a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Driver staff and private planes, including.

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<v Speaker 2>A brand new private plane which is to be delivered

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<v Speaker 2>on his watch. We know that because he's not paying

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<v Speaker 2>to live where he lives currently, he can afford four

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<v Speaker 2>and million dollars for a house that he has no

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<v Speaker 2>plans to move into because he expects to be prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister living in the taxpayer funded ones for the next

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years. But then there's the other example about other

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<v Speaker 2>people's money. This federal government is going nuts on the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money that it is spending on ads. To

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how awesome it is now government funded advertising,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stand. I don't believe any government, state of

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<v Speaker 2>fed should be able to use it within twelve months

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<v Speaker 2>of a federal election, because they all abuse it all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and we end up having to pay the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>As I've told you before, this government is using your

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<v Speaker 2>money to spend more money on ads promoting itself than

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<v Speaker 2>it has given to the charity sectors that help feed

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<v Speaker 2>the almost four million people in this country who do

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<v Speaker 2>not have a plan for breakfast, lunch or dinner, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who access food banks. They asked the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>for less money than they are spending promoting themselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't even get what they asked for. That's the priorities.

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<v Speaker 2>As again we learned today the Albanezer government is on

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<v Speaker 2>a messaging blitz, increasing by a third its media spending

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<v Speaker 2>on advertising campaigns on the last financial year to spirute

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<v Speaker 2>things like the state tree cost a living relief for

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<v Speaker 2>families and the referendum on the voice. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Finance, Canber departments and non corporate agencies, they

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<v Speaker 2>spend one hundred and seventy four million dollars on ads

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet, television and radio, as well as outdoor

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<v Speaker 2>and print advertising. It was the highest ever annual media

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<v Speaker 2>outlay by a federal government in a year that did

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<v Speaker 2>not include a federal election. And you know how on

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<v Speaker 2>this show I talk about each Way Albow perfect example.

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<v Speaker 2>His government spends more than any government has in a

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<v Speaker 2>non federal election year on taxpayer funded ads to make

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<v Speaker 2>you think that the government's doing such a great job

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<v Speaker 2>that you will re elect a government regardless of what

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<v Speaker 2>that government does to you, including taking fifteen hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>off ten million workers, including almost.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the people who work in Broken Hill.

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<v Speaker 2>They told you cost are living first and foremost the

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<v Speaker 2>central priority.

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<v Speaker 1>They spent.

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<v Speaker 2>Half a billion dollars on a referendum for a question

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<v Speaker 2>that was marginal at best. And again, why does airbus

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<v Speaker 2>albow work?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it's true?

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<v Speaker 2>Why does each way albow work? Because it's true? And

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<v Speaker 2>in this case, when he was the opposition waving his

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<v Speaker 2>finger at the government, this was what he thought of

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer funded advertising that he himself has led a government

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<v Speaker 2>to spend more than any before.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the reasons why the election isn't being called

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<v Speaker 5>is so that the government can use taxpayer funds to

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<v Speaker 5>make advertisements that they think advances the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Two Australias once s it's in darkness for ten days

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<v Speaker 2>while others try to cover their backsides about having not

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<v Speaker 2>just their snout in the trough, they're swibbing in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to.

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland, where again the early days of a brand new

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<v Speaker 2>government is in place today the Liberal Party a National party,

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal National Party. After celebrating on Saturday night, Well Deputy

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<v Speaker 2>Premier Premier has been sworn in today, David Cruci Foley

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<v Speaker 2>saying this today at Government House.

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<v Speaker 6>We campaigned on the issues that people told us they

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<v Speaker 6>wanted us focused on youth, crime, health, housing and cost

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<v Speaker 6>of living.

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<v Speaker 1>They remain our focus. That's going to.

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<v Speaker 6>Be our big focus in this term of government to

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<v Speaker 6>make sure that people see improvement across those four issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Latest count it is getting much better for the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>National Party. The Queens and Electoral Commission should be ashamed

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<v Speaker 2>of itself about how slow the camp was on Saturday

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<v Speaker 2>night meeting. Labour was able to get in and do

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<v Speaker 2>the garbage that they did. But have a look here.

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<v Speaker 2>They are at forty eight seats. They're a clear majority

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<v Speaker 2>right now. They could add another five to that. If

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case, they get themselves to one more seat

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<v Speaker 2>than LAY had after the twenty twenty election, which was

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<v Speaker 2>considered a landslide win. Because I keep everyone thinking Queen

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<v Speaker 2>for Queen dam Pampart Labour Party down to thirty one seats,

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<v Speaker 2>they could add another three.

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<v Speaker 1>Cataiustrati party could.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to four Greens, look maybe two, but at this

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<v Speaker 2>stage one and only one independent in the parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>As for how well did Labor do well?

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<v Speaker 2>On Saturday night while the votes would be encountered, they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to pretend the result was much better than

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<v Speaker 2>what it was, almost seven points down in the primary vote,

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<v Speaker 2>over six points for the Liberal National Party excellent piece

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<v Speaker 2>today and the COREAMR, which actually pulled apart the bs

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<v Speaker 2>that Labour's been pushing for the past couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a look at this graph.

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<v Speaker 2>It shows you the primary vote of the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 2>over the best part of what one hundred years, with

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<v Speaker 2>the exception of the twenty twelve smashing, this election was

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<v Speaker 2>the second worst performance in one hundred years, one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to buy my tongue a million times on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday night when I'm sort of seeing intra LNP fighting, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we should be doing better, mate.

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<v Speaker 1>You smashed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Labor got wiped from office, wiped from office.

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<v Speaker 1>So when people were saying this.

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<v Speaker 7>It was neck and neck, and Labor did put up

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<v Speaker 7>a fight and credit.

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<v Speaker 1>Where credits due.

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<v Speaker 7>There are certainly a lot of Labor commentators today that

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<v Speaker 7>say that Stephen Miles as the Premier, did a fantastic

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<v Speaker 7>job to try and resurrect Labour's campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Labor to record. The number of seats that we

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<v Speaker 1>did was a pretty amazing result.

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<v Speaker 5>Gaining a seat off the Green to political party, I

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<v Speaker 5>think sends a message as well.

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<v Speaker 2>The lowest primary vote with one exception in oe hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years, that's how badly Labor Party did. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, a few people have sent me this video

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<v Speaker 2>which was somebody getting very excited on Saturday night because

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Miles was saying, oh, the LMP is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to form majority government. Pay attention to the lady wearing

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<v Speaker 2>the glasses just screaming her lungs out because thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>the evil LNP has been denied majority. She's that person

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<v Speaker 2>looks awfully like the former premier's chief of staff. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the type of people who used to be running Queensland.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I have felt the way I have felt

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<v Speaker 2>about the need for change in Queensland for as long

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<v Speaker 2>as I have. Well, thankfully they go and they go. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just seriously, I mean, these people are possessed with

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<v Speaker 2>the right to govern and the hate of anyone challenging it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, you didn't just lose second worst vote in

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years. Stop patting yourself on the back because

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<v Speaker 2>the people in Queensland where they booted you in the ass.

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<v Speaker 2>As for a more sedate way of saying that, the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Phil Couri wrote in the Australian Financial Review immediately

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<v Speaker 2>after the election, claims that Labour did well as like

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<v Speaker 2>saying queens in Queensland, it's like the Poms saying they

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<v Speaker 2>won the Ashes. They caught up with the guy with

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<v Speaker 2>the punchable face and they punched him, said a Queensland

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<v Speaker 2>Labour source to Phil Curry. Yes it was a landslide,

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<v Speaker 2>yet State Labor it was still banging on like the

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<v Speaker 2>Poms claiming it feels like we've won the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three Ashes, no more so than Miles himself. Utterly graceless,

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<v Speaker 2>tone deaf, ill mannered Trumpian concession, which of course wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>speech unbelievable And guess what he will be rewarded by

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<v Speaker 2>staying as the leader of the Labor Party in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 1>The bloke who.

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<v Speaker 2>Took them to their second worst primary vote in one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years, pumped up by his own bs mad staffers,

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<v Speaker 2>fanatical and hyperpartisan people screaming about how amazing it was

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<v Speaker 2>to deny the LNP.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>So all I say is good, a second chance perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>to teach this bloke a lesson. We'll wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, interesting point. In many state parliaments around Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously the government has more people working for it than

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 2>the staff is of so the Premier, the Deputy Premier,

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<v Speaker 2>the police minister, the Education minister.

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<v Speaker 1>But in many.

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<v Speaker 2>States the shadow will at least have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>people working for them, so they'll be someone working for

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<v Speaker 2>the shadow police minister or the shadow Housing minister. In Queensland,

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<v Speaker 2>the entire opposition has twenty three staff and a Stagia

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Paliche at one point had eighty personal staff. So with

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<v Speaker 2>a team that's moll versus a team that big and

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<v Speaker 2>a public service and a union movement and a media,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you an idea about just how big it

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<v Speaker 2>is when Queensland boots those people out, and just how

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<v Speaker 2>impressive it is with such a small team they were

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<v Speaker 2>able to fight and win. Labor gone in Queensland for

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<v Speaker 2>the next four years. Whether that's going to happen at

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<v Speaker 2>the federal level or not. Well, as you've heard me say,

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<v Speaker 2>I see a pole here, I see a pole there

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<v Speaker 2>with the LNP or the Liberal or National Party could

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<v Speaker 2>be leading fifty one, fifty two, maybe fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>and I always say to you, well, reality is, the

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<v Speaker 2>Teals are not going to move anywhere. So if the

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<v Speaker 2>Teals don't move, then it's very hard to get to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six seats. So today we learned that the Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>Party is going to try to go after the Teal

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<v Speaker 2>MPs and they're basically going to paint them as exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what they are, just a lighter shade of grain that

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<v Speaker 2>Teal is essentially a hard left vote, just wrapped up

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<v Speaker 2>in the veneer of pretending that these are former Liberal

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<v Speaker 2>voters who's strayed from the Liberal Party, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we all know that Zalie Stegel and others have

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<v Speaker 2>openly admitted that they haven't voted Liberal when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to federal elections, including against Malcolm Turnbull. But he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>care about that, would he. Here's part of the ad

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<v Speaker 2>the Libs are.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to run.

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<v Speaker 7>Since the last election, Teal independent MPs have voted most

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<v Speaker 7>often with the Greens, followed by Labor. Teal MPs voted

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<v Speaker 7>with the Greens against tougher laws to stop criminals getting visas.

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 7>Teal MPs want higher taxes, including on capital gains, housing

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<v Speaker 7>and a higher GST. What would that mean for our economy?

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<v Speaker 7>The next election will be close, with many commentators predicting

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<v Speaker 7>a hung parliament. Are Labor, Greens, Teals minority government?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't risk it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Teals are going to love this because they're going to say, great,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.640
<v Speaker 2>thanks for telling everyone. We're going to be really important.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my idea about how you take on the Teals.

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<v Speaker 2>Come over here. I'm going to show you something when

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<v Speaker 2>you actually look at the results of how most of

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>the Teals got elected. They actually had not very small

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<v Speaker 2>but they had much smaller primary vote, and the only

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<v Speaker 2>way they got there was with preferences like, for example, here,

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<v Speaker 2>let's have a look here, and I have to put

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<v Speaker 2>my glasses on some squintings. Sadly I apologize. Curtain Western

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Teals took this one off the Liberal Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The Teal gets twenty nine percent of the vote compared

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<v Speaker 2>to the Liberal Party's forty one percent, the Teal ends

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<v Speaker 2>up as the MP because basically everyone else in the

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<v Speaker 2>race gives their preferences to the Teal.

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<v Speaker 1>That includes fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand voters who voted labor and Labor who got thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>point nine percent. If the Labor vote was lower, the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals could beat the Teal. In the electorate of North

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney now doesn't exist, but it makes a good point here.

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<v Speaker 2>The Independent got twenty five percent of the vote. Labour

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<v Speaker 2>got twenty eight hundred votes, which was twenty one percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the vote. If Labour's vote was lower, the Liberals

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<v Speaker 2>would have beaten the Teals in the seat of Wentworth.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you will know where this is going.

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<v Speaker 2>The Independent thirty five percent, Labor ten point eight or

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<v Speaker 2>nine thousand votes. If fewer people VOTEDBA, the Teal would lose.

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<v Speaker 2>In the seat of mckeller on the northern beaches of Sydney,

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<v Speaker 2>the Independent vote was yes, pretty high at thirty eight percent,

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<v Speaker 2>but Labour's vote of eight thousand, one hundred people or

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent of the electorate. A fewer people voted Labor,

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<v Speaker 2>then guess what, There's a chance that the Teal would

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<v Speaker 2>have lost. So my point is this, it's all well

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<v Speaker 2>and good to go after the record of the Teals.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all well and good to say. Oh, imagine if

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<v Speaker 2>the Tales were in charge. But that's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>message they want because it amplifies how important they are

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<v Speaker 2>and how they're going to keep everyone accountable and we

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<v Speaker 2>can change politics. But if you take on labor and

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<v Speaker 2>you make it such a hard fight between team Red

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<v Speaker 2>and Team Blue that team read losers votes, will you

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<v Speaker 2>lose the amount of votes which can be handed to

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<v Speaker 2>the Teals. So keep your eye on the ball. The

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 2>ball is labor. And finally, a weeken a bit to

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<v Speaker 2>go before that American election. I want to plan in

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days time. Yes, I'll see my family

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<v Speaker 2>at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hugs and FaceTime is a wonderful way of staying in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations Asher on your pen Lissnse. By the way, Danny, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>today Donald Trump was at Madison Square Garden, which just

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<v Speaker 2>that's such a huge thing, the idea that he's able

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<v Speaker 2>to pull that crowd, that many people, all of those endorsements.

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>This was mega, all right, absolutely mega, And don't fall

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<v Speaker 2>full of garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's a Nazi rally for the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans have been there many times before, conventions, all the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So just throw that to one side.

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<v Speaker 2>Harris in the past couple of days while she found

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<v Speaker 2>a new accent when she was at a black church.

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<v Speaker 2>But now because we're getting close to the day, the

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 2>media is now having to actually be honest about what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>This was NBC, but we have seen.

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<v Speaker 2>A number four in the last four days that have

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<v Speaker 2>shown very small but in the context of this.

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<v Speaker 8>Close race, potentially meaningful movement in Trump's direction.

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<v Speaker 2>No, can you imagine the screen again, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know. I've showed you data last night that

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<v Speaker 2>shows how Harris can get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the propensity of data is saying how Trump's going

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<v Speaker 1>to get there again.

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll show you this every single night, which is the

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<v Speaker 2>real clear politics average of all of the poles other

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>sites that have decide and pick and choose, but in

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>all of them, Trump is leading in the battleground states. Now,

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to be taking anything to the bank

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that's zero point two or zero point five. But the

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<v Speaker 2>point is he's grossly underperformed the polls in previous times

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<v Speaker 2>where they just got the number wrong for him. So

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<v Speaker 2>if he's leading, this could be a massive blowout. Or

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason they've overcounted Trump voters and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a massive blowout for Harris. But I think

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>we know what's happening here. To show you about those

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>national polls. Now, remember Trump's never won a national popular vote.

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Have a look here at the difference between the red

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<v Speaker 2>lines and the blue lines. That black line in the middle,

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<v Speaker 2>all of that to the left is before Biden, Trump leading,

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump leading. Then the summer of vibes and the brat

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>summer meant she went up, up, up, up up.

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<v Speaker 1>But look what's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>He's closed the deal, She's fallen off, and now he

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<v Speaker 2>is in front.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, on.

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<v Speaker 2>This very day four years ago, Biden led by seven

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<v Speaker 2>point five percent in the national vote. Eight years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>on this very day, Clinton led by four.

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<v Speaker 1>Point six percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the MSG rally today Madison Square Garden in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, there was a comedian, Tony Hinchcliff. I think

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>he's great when it comes to roasting, but he probably

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the great pick to turn out here because he

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<v Speaker 2>plays a pretty rough game, including jokes that the internet

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<v Speaker 2>have deemed to be deeply racist, offensive, and an example

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<v Speaker 2>of why you must not vote for Trump.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if you guys know this, but there's

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<v Speaker 8>literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of

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<v Speaker 8>the ocean right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's called Puerto Rico.

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<v Speaker 2>So that'll play out for the next twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>But you've heard the joke as opposed to reading about

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>it in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>Time for Trump best part of his speech, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the closing message. You should say this a thousand times

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<v Speaker 2>over the next eight days. I'd like to begin by

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>asking a very simple question, Are you better off now

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>than you were.

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Four years ago? On issue after issue? Tamala broke it,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>but I will fix it. We're going to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Kamala Harris now being confronted by the reality

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<v Speaker 2>that the polling is not what it should be, which

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>is she should be running away with it because she's

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>running against Hitler, will she proved herself to be the

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<v Speaker 2>genius that we know her to be.

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<v Speaker 9>So, to be very frank with you, my internal polling

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<v Speaker 9>is my instinct.

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<v Speaker 1>I let the campaign people deal with all that other stuff.

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<v Speaker 9>And I am responding to what I'm seeing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>just two nights ago we had thirty thousand people show up.

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 9>I think it was actually one than thirty thousand people

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<v Speaker 9>with an incredible amount of enthusiasm. If you see the

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<v Speaker 9>people have shown up last night, every event that we do,

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<v Speaker 9>and the feeling is one of energy and excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll ask you this question, who do you think is

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>winning more In a sec You're on pul Murray Live

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>analyst Nilson. We will get to at a moment or

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>two his time about the American election, but let's talk

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 2>about what's happening here in Australia from airline upgrades to

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<v Speaker 2>two Australias. Big chat coming up next here on pul

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Murray Life. All right, let's get right into it right now,

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Matt Canavan said in a Matt Canaban of course, standing

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<v Speaker 2>by for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Victorious in Queensland, Excited about a new broom, domestos being

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<v Speaker 2>sent to the offices of all incoming ministers. Congratulations to

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the LNP team made over the weekend. Commiserations to Sam Crosby,

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>who I know was just every fifteen minutes. Mate, Please

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<v Speaker 2>please tell me it's not this bad. Please tell oh

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that Anthony Green says we're doing much better than we

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the.

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<v Speaker 4>Night I was pretty happy. I'm sure I went to

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<v Speaker 4>bed thinking this is okay.

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.399
<v Speaker 1>I wake up. Oh yeah, well that's a bit sore.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the You read the numbers today and.

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<v Speaker 2>You're really a lot worth today the second lowest primary

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<v Speaker 2>in our hundred years. All right, now, let's have the

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.760
<v Speaker 2>chat about the upgrade stuff. Okay, Jim Chalmers today should

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<v Speaker 2>have just said yeah, probably, I don't know, but I

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<v Speaker 2>never picked up the phone to Allen Joyce. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what he had to say about him moving up to

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<v Speaker 2>the front of the plane.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't asked Alan Joyce. No, I'm not sure if

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<v Speaker 3>I have received one. I don't think so, but i'd

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<v Speaker 3>have to have a look.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Matt is what is going to, for want of

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 2>a better term, save the Prime Minister here and again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe he's about to be sent off to

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<v Speaker 2>the Corruption Commission or he's about to resign office in

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the next couple of days. But it's what's going to

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 2>save him here that he's going to turn around and.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, well, well, everyone does it. Everyone does it.

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>The problem is not everyone picks up the phone to

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO of the biggest company in the portfolio that

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<v Speaker 2>theoretically you were regulating as the Transport Minister. If you

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<v Speaker 2>did that as the Racing Minister, I think you wouldn't

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>last the week.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, exactly right, Paul. I don't think everyone does it.

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<v Speaker 8>I certainly wasn't aware that there was a red telephone

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 8>in Allan Joyce's office which we could call and just

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:17.879
<v Speaker 8>request some random upgrades. Look, I've got Jim, I think

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 8>was fine answering that question. I don't believe I've got

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<v Speaker 8>an upgrade either. I certainly haven't got one on personal flights.

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<v Speaker 8>We do take lots of business flights obviously, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>I just I beggars belief for me that you'd call

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<v Speaker 8>up Alan Joyce and ask personally for an upgrade, especially

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<v Speaker 8>as you say, when you were the responsible minister regulating

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 8>that company. It's completely inappropriate behavior and the Primister hasn't

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 8>given a good explanation for why he conducted it. I

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 8>do think there are really coal questions that need to

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<v Speaker 8>be asked now. I actually did ask a question of

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<v Speaker 8>Contus when we had Alan Joyce before the Senate Cost

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<v Speaker 8>of Living Committee last year. I asked them to provide

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<v Speaker 8>a list of all upgrades that they'd provided to best

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 8>Albineasy's family, staff or anyone else traveling with him. They

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 8>refuse to do so for privacy reasons, but because of

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 8>these latest allegations and the connection to the Prime Minister's

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 8>ministerial responsibilities at the time, I think quite should answer

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<v Speaker 8>that question. And I know I've been talking to colleagues

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<v Speaker 8>about ways and means. We could we use the Senate

0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 8>to force the answer to that question, because I think

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 8>it's strained. People deserve to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sim why is travel always a blind spot for politicians?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we all know on this side of the fence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great question.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean, how many MPs have lost their jobs

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 4>over the last fifty years from travel roots, you know,

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 4>going back from governments and governments and governments.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's a good question. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, I think federally because they do so much

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:50.839
<v Speaker 4>of it, you know, I mean every week Matt calls

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 4>in from a different part of Australia. You know, I

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 4>don't know when any of these guys see their families

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:56.399
<v Speaker 4>because they are always on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they have to run absolutely big joints

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 1>once a month. I get it. It's a big twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to fly down you know, or most of

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 4>them have to fly down to Canberra. Yeah, and that's

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, just to go to their other workplace.

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>But it's when you go on holidays to Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, it's.

0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 2>About Hawaii and Australian point of course. Such trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>But look, you know, to your point, is he going

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<v Speaker 4>to get out of this because he's able to say, well,

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 4>everyone does it? Yeah, I kind of think he is,

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 4>because I kind of think every I don't know about

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Matt and Jim, but certainly I know a lot of

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 4>them have had upgrades.

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<v Speaker 1>But what happens is is that automatically.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just going to say, I just

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<v Speaker 8>go back to what I was saying. I mean, obviously

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 8>talk to politicians. I don't think any of us to

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 8>do what Anthiobaneese is alleged to have done in this case.

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 8>I'm certainly not aware of it. But that's the difference here.

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.640
<v Speaker 8>I mean, I say, I don't think I've ever got

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<v Speaker 8>an upgrade. It must have been special enough. But from

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<v Speaker 8>what I know, I think the upgrades normally happened when

0:38:57.280 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 8>you just get to the airport. So I would you

0:38:58.640 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 8>like to be upgraded?

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<v Speaker 4>Sir?

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, you're not going to say no, presumably, But this

0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 8>idea that you'd call ahead to the CEO of the company,

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<v Speaker 8>come on and ask him to give you special attention.

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<v Speaker 8>There's something fishy about that, all right.

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Broken Hill, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that you are phenomenal in your representation of regional Australia,

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>not just a specific part of regional Australia that you

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 2>live in is and it's really opened my not open

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 2>my eyes, but certainly underline my central belief over the

0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>past five years and why we do. Our town is

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<v Speaker 2>to twenty seven million people, and they live in lots

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 2>of different places, and all of them have a right

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<v Speaker 2>to healthcare and to be happy and to have a

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<v Speaker 2>job in housing and all.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the broken hill ten days without power and

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>the collective national attitude to it? Say to you about

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<v Speaker 2>what I was mentioning when it came to those two Australias.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, lots of those, lots of those smaller parts of

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 8>this country feel feel justifiably ignored. Obviously, if something like

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 8>this had happened in a major city. It would be

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 8>front page news all around the country while it was happening.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 8>Yet this is only just because news after the event,

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<v Speaker 8>and I'm guilty myself. I didn't realize it until it

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<v Speaker 8>was reported in Australia and I have spoken to some

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 8>of my New South Wales National's colleagues today after discovering it,

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 8>and it's a shocking circumstance that Broken Hill found themselves in. Obviously,

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 8>this was a freak storm that caused this, but it

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 8>didn't seem to be a lot of a care or

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<v Speaker 8>concern for what is a historic community that does produce

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 8>continues to produce a lot of wealth for our country.

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<v Speaker 8>My news of those National colleagues are calling on the

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<v Speaker 8>government to declare this a natural disaster and that would

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<v Speaker 8>unlock the normal assistance that occurs for people that have

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 8>lost food items and their fridge had damage and have

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 8>to now have a thousand dollars in cost in some

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 8>cases to respond. So I hope the government does listen

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 8>to those concerns now that more Australians know about it.

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 8>I should also add too that another thing that's not

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:49.719
<v Speaker 8>yet reported to me that I have heard through the

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.160
<v Speaker 8>traps is that Roxby Downs is also out of power

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 8>and now I'm not sure if it's the same storm,

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 8>but it's a similarly from storms.

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:57.799
<v Speaker 1>It's been out of.

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 8>Power for over a week now. While some power has

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<v Speaker 8>been restored, the Olympic Dam mine and smelter is still

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 8>not at production for production capacity. It's costing HP of fortune,

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 8>costing our country a lot of money. And again just

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 8>coast totally unreported for the people who have to suffer

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<v Speaker 8>through it.

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<v Speaker 1>The country areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, but you know, if there's a traffic delay on

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>the way to the stadium because Taylor's was intown rolling

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 2>coverage when it comes to the cities. All right, let's

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>get a bumper sticker versions out of both of you

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>about Queensland, because obviously I want to give you one

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>shot in America before.

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<v Speaker 1>I head off.

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<v Speaker 2>Labour second lowest primary vote in one hundred years. Yes,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Green's pushed a little further back.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I guess it's all about expectations and when you

0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 4>start off like we went into that election thinking it

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 4>was going to be like the Toarago election when annably

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 4>got absolutely decimated because it's a bus it's better well, yes, genuinely,

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:53.240
<v Speaker 4>like in four years time, And you know, I genuinely

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 4>think Stephen should do the right thing by the party

0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 4>and go to the back bench and give us a

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 4>chance to rebuild and put up some other faces who

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.359
<v Speaker 4>aren't associated with the last how many years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Success of the New South Wales Labor Party was the

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 2>people who got booted or got flushed. The people who

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 2>got elected were all brand new faces. Well, and you

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:11.720
<v Speaker 2>look at South Australia.

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 4>Peter Mallanowskis came back after one term because Jay did

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 4>the right thing and left. You look at Brumby and

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.439
<v Speaker 4>Dan Andrews was able to come back after one term

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.320
<v Speaker 4>because Brummy did a really good job. And similarly, you know,

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to give Steven Miles two hard a Tom.

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you'll help you with that more than but

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 4>I do think from a labors perspective he did not

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 4>embarrass himself. He should be lauded as having had a

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 4>dignified exit. But now, you know, do the right thing

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:44.919
<v Speaker 4>and go to the back Then.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, whatever goodwill that may will have been

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 2>built up for a couple of weeks, he blew on election, right, Matt,

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on little details here, little details there, what

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:53.439
<v Speaker 2>did you think.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, look, I mean the reason Sam went to bed

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 8>happy on Saturday night because the election day vote was

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 8>a lot closer than the vote leading up to it.

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 8>And the problem for the Labor Party was only a

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 8>third of Queens leaders voted on election day, so when

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:11.959
<v Speaker 8>those Prepole numbers came in the two thirds the voted early,

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 8>they voted very differently and voted massively against Labor. So

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 8>it could have been very well the bust if that

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 8>trend had continued right through election day. And look, it's

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 8>a great win for the LMP. It's been a long

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 8>time since they've formed government. They deserved the plaud for

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 8>achieving that. At some time, though, of course, we'll have

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 8>to look at that campaign and understand why there was

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:33.799
<v Speaker 8>such a big difference in the vote on election day

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 8>compared to pre pole. My early estimation is being on

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 8>the booze, is that it's a lesson that you can't

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 8>fat the pig on market day, and especially trying to

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 8>dock off a first term government federally, we need to

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 8>have some pretty coherent and strong policies to withstand the

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 8>inevitable labor Scare campaign.

0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>When the only thing that.

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<v Speaker 8>The Labor Party excelled at over the last decade in

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 8>Queensland was running the mother of all scare campaigns about

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 8>Campbell human and we got there in the end, but

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 8>we probably risk the trip the light fantastic a bit

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:09.880
<v Speaker 8>by ourselves not having a lot of policies to defend

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:11.720
<v Speaker 8>against that scare campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, lads.

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I will talk to you next week, even though I'll

0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 2>be in America, you'll be here. The way of these

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>America shows are going to work is yes, I'm going

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>to talk a lot, but it was still going to

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 2>talk about Australia and these lads will both look.

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Probably the same. I'm slightly happier than Sam right now.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I wonder why quick break back with more here on

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Paulmurray Live Analysis in the US.

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk to her next.

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 2>We are just over a week out from that American election.

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I will be in the US for all of our

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 2>shows next week. Again, I'm just making it clear, yes

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that'll be the focus of the shows, but we're going

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 2>to be doing Australian news and the normal panels as well. Okay,

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 2>so I don't think it's just all data all the time,

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>but a person, I'm very much looking forward to seeing

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>with my own eyes is my wonderful friend Analise Nielsen,

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.439
<v Speaker 2>who right now is in Pennsylvania. Analyse that's the state,

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 2>that's the one that's the tipping p give us an idea.

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Have you finally been able to meet the one person

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>who's absolutely sure of what the result's going to be

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 2>in Pennsylvania?

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely not, not at least everyone we've met here. Who's

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 10>the actual who are the actual voters that are going

0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 10>to decide this thing? But the one thing I can

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 10>tell you, Paul, from the people we've been talking to

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 10>is it seems like a lot of the passion has

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 10>gone on both sides. I've had volunteers tell me in

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.760
<v Speaker 10>multiple states they have fewer problems having their signs stolen.

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 10>We talked to a bartender yesterday who said she's had

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 10>fewer people fighting in her bar over politics. And that's

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:36.439
<v Speaker 10>the mood at the moment. No one's excited about any

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 10>of it.

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just looking here at the latest poles in Pennsylvania.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Trump leading, Trump leading, Harris leading, Trump leading, Trump leading,

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Trump leading, Trump leading, which is why they say he's

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>ever so slightly in front. Do you meet people who

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 2>have changed their mind in the past four years in

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 2>a place like Pennsylvania, because if everyone goes back to

0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>the same corners, we know. But the whole point is

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the assumption is that what's happened there over the past

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>four years will move people in directions. Are you interacting

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>as you go around the country. Are people willing to

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 2>say I was Trump, then I was Biden, now I'm trumping.

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:14.719
<v Speaker 10>In Absolutely, But it goes both ways. And we've heard

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 10>it from Democrats who said they've supported them for a

0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 10>long time and now they've had a really tough four years.

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 10>The economy has been bad, and a lot of them

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 10>in America, in a non compulsory system, sitting it out

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 10>it can have the same effect as actually casting about it.

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 10>And we hear from Trump supporters who say they've fed

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.279
<v Speaker 10>up with the drama. They don't want to go back

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.800
<v Speaker 10>to any of the kind of heightened politics of the

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 10>Trump years, and they're just not excited about Kamala Harris either,

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:39.439
<v Speaker 10>So they're going to sit this out as well, which

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 10>is why it's so interesting to see so many people

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 10>casting their ballots early. We know Republicans have completely changed

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.359
<v Speaker 10>their chute on this. They said twenty twenty, don't vote early,

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 10>it'll get stolen this time around, they're saying, we've got

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 10>to swamp the vote. Just get your vote in. However,

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.879
<v Speaker 10>but I think it's going to be interesting to see

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 10>what that surge looks like in the final few days,

0:46:57.960 --> 0:46:59.799
<v Speaker 10>because there are still people who haven't made up their

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 10>mind quite genuinely.

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, and also, can I caution anyone who goes sort

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 2>of Twitter diving and you see people talking about, oh,

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.840
<v Speaker 2>the early vote for Republicans is this, and the Democrats

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:11.080
<v Speaker 2>is that there's a third group called Independence.

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Now, Independence currently in national polling Harris's slightly slightly above.

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>So if the Republicans are just in front Democrats are

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>just behind, well, then that can be the difference in

0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the world and vice versa. Okay, So again, lots of

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>people will see what's happening. We don't know until Wednesday

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>of next week, and at least the closing arguments we

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>know what it is. Where there's going to be sort

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 2>of focus on January sixth and the shadows of it

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 2>from Kamala Harris Trump of course, Madison Square Garden. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>cop it a bit for the comedian for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, but other than that, she broke it, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>fix it. It feels like to me Trump has a

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<v Speaker 2>more convincing argument than Harris.

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<v Speaker 10>But what do you think, Well, look on the try

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<v Speaker 10>side of the ledger, we have an economy that people

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<v Speaker 10>aren't happy about. Cost of living is just something everyone

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<v Speaker 10>brings up with us. The only people who tell us

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<v Speaker 10>they don't feel the pinch of cost of living are

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<v Speaker 10>those retired people who are drawing on Social Security and

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<v Speaker 10>have fixed expenses. And they're tending to lean more Republican

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<v Speaker 10>as well because they think that Donald Trump is the

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<v Speaker 10>person that they trust or not touched that. When we're

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<v Speaker 10>looking at the polling around how Americans feel the country

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<v Speaker 10>is going to have in the sixties and seventies percent

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<v Speaker 10>people saying that the country's going the wrong direction. That

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<v Speaker 10>really should be fatal for anyone seeking reelection. And I

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<v Speaker 10>guess that's the big question is do people consider Kamala

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<v Speaker 10>Harris new or is she considered the incumbent. We hear

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<v Speaker 10>that cut both ways, and it tends to be based

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<v Speaker 10>on just how much they hate Donald Trump is when

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<v Speaker 10>they put that argument forward. But on the whole people

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<v Speaker 10>are really suffering, and that is a really strong argument

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<v Speaker 10>for Donald Trump to say, hey, things are pretty good

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<v Speaker 10>when I was in If you do, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 10>can go into all the machinations of the economy and

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<v Speaker 10>what really made it good, what's really going to make

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<v Speaker 10>it good. But at the end of the day, people

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<v Speaker 10>can't afford what they could four years ago. It is

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<v Speaker 10>very obvious and it's a very strong campaign point for.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and at least Follo I was paying attention to

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<v Speaker 2>every word that you had to say. That beautiful tree

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<v Speaker 2>behind you as well, can't wait to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>So you went about well just a few days time, Dula,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you all the best an list's reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you see it all day ready at skyies

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<v Speaker 2>dot com that a you late to bait next to

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<v Speaker 2>you tomorrow