WEBVTT - Raw Emotions: Eden’s Parents Speak Out

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<v Speaker 1>Apo Che Production.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to our Little Lady and an episode I've

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<v Speaker 2>been excited to share for some time. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to catch up with Jason and Amanda, who

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<v Speaker 2>are busy in Tasmania giving back to someone that's helped

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<v Speaker 2>them a lot. With an election this weekend. This is

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<v Speaker 2>less about politics and more about helping someone that's helped

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<v Speaker 2>Jason and Amanda, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Ambitionite dropping off Jackie Lamby fines mate because she's looked

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<v Speaker 3>after us, we're looking after her in an election.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got the East Coast leg of the signage to

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<v Speaker 4>put out two volunteers that have offered their fences front

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<v Speaker 4>randas just a handful of people.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuss too much about promoting through the election because she

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<v Speaker 4>said she's done the work and she continues to do

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<v Speaker 4>the work and it's beats for itself. So we're just

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<v Speaker 4>a little reminder, but.

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<v Speaker 5>They're pretty big signs.

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<v Speaker 3>Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last episode, you heard Byron Collins with his

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<v Speaker 2>interim report on Eden's death. Up until now, the coroners

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<v Speaker 2>have prevented doctor Collins from obtaining photos of the autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>of Eden.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been a little fragile because of the reality of

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<v Speaker 4>what Byron has described.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just feel like.

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<v Speaker 6>It's okay how alone Eden felt on that night with

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<v Speaker 6>all the people that she encountered, not one of them

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<v Speaker 6>cared enough to come and inform us or bring her home.

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<v Speaker 4>And even after her death, the way they handled her,

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<v Speaker 4>and she was still alone all the way through the

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<v Speaker 4>pathology and the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>The people that were handling her, they didn't regard her

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<v Speaker 1>like they should have.

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<v Speaker 4>The people from Dunn's funeral were the only people that

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<v Speaker 4>had any real grace about themselves with handling Eden's body.

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<v Speaker 7>And I just feel like, what a horrible ending to

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<v Speaker 7>such a beautiful person.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's how Amanda feels. Jay. It broke her mate.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I read it.

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<v Speaker 3>As well, and I mentioned to you last week before

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<v Speaker 3>when we were raging this date, how that report, that

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<v Speaker 3>interim report made me feel the emotions, And I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to share it with you, Jay, I felt more emotions

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<v Speaker 3>on that last episode you gave us than I felt

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<v Speaker 3>throughout a long time. I was at first angry, I

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<v Speaker 3>was upset, and then I almost felt sorry for the

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<v Speaker 3>people that have done this, and then I thought, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is deliberate I'm actually embarrassed for them because when

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the detail in the pathologist's report, he

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<v Speaker 3>mentions the pathologist that did the autopsy report was quite qualified,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's things in there that the second injury to

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<v Speaker 3>Eden's neck, which is a separate injury to the hanging one,

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<v Speaker 3>is indicative of homicide when I've done my research. So

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<v Speaker 3>that to me makes me think the pathologists found a

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<v Speaker 3>second injury which was different to the hanging.

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<v Speaker 5>Now there it was three.

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<v Speaker 3>Or four days after Eden died, so that was an

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<v Speaker 3>alarm bell.

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<v Speaker 5>I read light shine and on Eden's body at the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet the police that were investigating it didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>address that paragraph, which we now look at and wonder

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<v Speaker 3>how that second injury occurred in her neck. Now let's

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<v Speaker 3>be mindful also, Jay, we didn't ask for the person

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<v Speaker 3>to come up our driveway on Australia Day to tell

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<v Speaker 3>us what he.

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<v Speaker 5>Was told happened to Eden. Isn't it interesting what he

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<v Speaker 5>told us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just really pested off, Jay, and it's upset my

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<v Speaker 3>whole family. We're picking up pieces because of that report

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<v Speaker 3>can't be finalized. It's a kick in the guts again

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<v Speaker 3>from the corner and their groups.

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<v Speaker 4>What Jason's saying, when that person found those suspicious injuries,

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<v Speaker 4>they could have.

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<v Speaker 1>Gone back to her little body and checked. And why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they check her? Why weren't fingernails scrapings? Don't they

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<v Speaker 1>took fingerprints of her?

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<v Speaker 5>What the hell was that?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know me and we know now, Jay, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you're aware. There's things that have come out.

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<v Speaker 3>One of those things is there was a black.

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<v Speaker 5>Band under Eden at the tree. Now a hairband.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to me about how you got that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. When we asked for the actual all the slides

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<v Speaker 3>and photographs to be given to the forensic pathologist, doctor

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Byron Collins, the coroner provided twenty five pitches okayjpeg

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they're called. Now where we haven't looked at a

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<v Speaker 3>man like because we don't want to, you know that. However,

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<v Speaker 3>there's twenty five documented given to him by the coroner

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<v Speaker 3>on her file. Now, interestingly enough, when we got the

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<v Speaker 3>rape specialist in America to have a look to see

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<v Speaker 3>what he could come back with, there was twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>slides given.

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<v Speaker 5>Now that's an anomaly in what the coroners had.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're now found out the police had more photos

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<v Speaker 3>than they provided the coroner, so we wanted to know

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<v Speaker 3>what was in those photos.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, one of them is almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Identical to let's say, fote A ten, which is okay interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>But the second one is a black hairband. Now, Eden

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have a black hairband on that night.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not Eden's hairband.

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<v Speaker 3>Were shown that we now know whose hairband that is, because.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's think about it, Jaye. All the way back in

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<v Speaker 5>the start of the podcast, someone was getting their hair

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<v Speaker 5>braided by Eden that night. Kate Young Kate.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'll guarantee you that hairband has Kate's DNA on

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<v Speaker 3>it and it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Yet again destroyed.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is why the police and they're all just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to close this up, mate, because they got nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to convict anyone because they fucked Upmrte and they're just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do everything they can to nail and hammer

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<v Speaker 3>this one shut and it's not going to work.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not Eden's, that was never DNA tested.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we now know is there is no evidence

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<v Speaker 3>available for the Karner or for the court to convict

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<v Speaker 3>anyone because they've destroyed it all. And that's embarrassing because

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<v Speaker 3>of their mistake, and they're trying to handle it over

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<v Speaker 3>to Jason Vanna and saying, you people are dissatisfied, grieving parents.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to move on. We've made up our decision.

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<v Speaker 3>We're right, you're wrong. Bullshit, we're not wrong. You people

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<v Speaker 3>need to be accountable.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to fix this mess.

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<v Speaker 4>When you've got someone like Paul Reynolds who is now.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, clearly he was in Thick, and the investigating

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<v Speaker 4>officers since then.

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<v Speaker 1>Say he was no part of it. I mean, why is.

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<v Speaker 4>This all written and lied about if there was not

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<v Speaker 4>something to say.

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<v Speaker 5>Because he's not a convicted pedophile.

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<v Speaker 3>They're saying it's an alleged so they're saying he's a

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<v Speaker 3>good guy and they're going to back him all the

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<v Speaker 3>way to the grave.

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<v Speaker 1>Just be really quite just stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry, Jay, we're a bit. Yeah, you've got us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>the last few weeks have been really tough on us.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do want to thank you for having that

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<v Speaker 3>last episode with doctor Byron Collins, because it really opened

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<v Speaker 3>up my eyes to what's going on and it's made me,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can hear, I've got a lot of emotions

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<v Speaker 3>going on inside me. My chemicals, every fiber at different

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<v Speaker 3>stages is hot, and I haven't felt that in a while,

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<v Speaker 3>probably since I was in a multi kickbox and Marie.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really fiery, j And I'm probably not very approachable,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't like being that person, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm a friendly sort of a guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Mate. They're bringing out the worst in me, but I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not going to let him destroy me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be strong and I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 3>through this and I'm not giving up, mate, because I

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<v Speaker 3>think we're really close. Mate, And thank you j be

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<v Speaker 3>because they thought they could silence us, and they probably

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<v Speaker 3>could because they're in a small little town on the

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<v Speaker 3>east coast of Tasmania where you know, secret squirrel business happens.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, with what you've done, We've.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to tell our story and no one will believe

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<v Speaker 3>without doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>We've created the doubt for people to now believe us.

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<v Speaker 3>We've not only created doubt to believe, we've got strong

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<v Speaker 3>evidence that Eden met foul play.

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<v Speaker 5>And when not going away, Jay, I can continue that

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<v Speaker 5>conversation with you.

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<v Speaker 3>We are going to continue to fight this till we

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<v Speaker 3>get the truth written and Eden's name cleared.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear the Jason and Amanda are angry at

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<v Speaker 2>how hamstrung they are with the current rules around moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward with this case. How are you feeling now, do

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you're closer.

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<v Speaker 5>Closer to what Jay?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if these people are in control of the

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<v Speaker 3>actual investigation or if they're in control of opening.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the Jason, we are closer than ever.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the closest that we've ever been because.

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<v Speaker 5>We all now now through doctor Borron Collins that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>how they determined ed and died in the seventeenths is inadequate.

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<v Speaker 5>You know that there's just no reason to say she

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<v Speaker 5>where did he give? What did she rely on to

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<v Speaker 5>come back with that? What? There was medical evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no evidence about the mental anguish.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no evidence about the way that Eden was found,

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<v Speaker 4>There was no evidence of her pathway, like I told you.

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<v Speaker 3>Complete then this is almost laughable.

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<v Speaker 8>They're saying in the police's statements through your Rights of Information,

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<v Speaker 8>and we've got a couple of police officers as saying

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<v Speaker 8>this that Amanda Westbrook told them that the rape came

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<v Speaker 8>from our place off a craypot.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, now I only owned two crape pots. That's one

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<v Speaker 3>from a maund of one for me. You've gotta have

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<v Speaker 3>a license for it. Now, I spliced my rapes on

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<v Speaker 3>the pot jay, so they go through the pot, then

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<v Speaker 3>they come in and then they get spliced and burnt,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're very sealed and says the other end on

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<v Speaker 3>two boys.

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<v Speaker 5>So for hypothetically to have got our crypot rapes, she

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<v Speaker 5>would have had to use a sharp knife and she

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<v Speaker 5>would have had to cut them.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only that, they would have actually been taken from

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<v Speaker 3>the craypots.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, you would think if Amanda.

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<v Speaker 3>Had told these police offers that have put in there

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<v Speaker 3>after David's and they've sworn statements that Amanda had said this,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd think you'd go up there and check those crypots.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't you, especially if you dropped me off.

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<v Speaker 5>Guess what, mate, No one come to our place and.

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<v Speaker 3>Checked the crypots, and if they did, they would have

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<v Speaker 3>found the rape didn't come from our crpepots because they

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<v Speaker 3>were still on the cratepots.

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<v Speaker 5>Now we've also found, now that.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got rights of freedom of information, that the rape's

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<v Speaker 3>not even the same as the crypot ropes we had. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all self serving written on their behalf just to

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<v Speaker 3>all just say this is what's happened. Let's all just

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<v Speaker 3>fucking say that Eden killed us up and we'll sign

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<v Speaker 3>this off and we'll silence the Westbrooks, cheat them badly

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<v Speaker 3>and they'll sell up and they'll move. We're not settling up, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>We're building a house a little time at home. I've

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<v Speaker 3>got a boat. I love fishing and this coastline's gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been here, mate, nothing's making me leave this beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>state of Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's some really good people here, Mate.

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<v Speaker 3>I've made lifelong friends out of what's happened over the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of years since your podcast. People have come

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<v Speaker 3>out of the woodwork, mate, and there are one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>percent behind it. Some don't want to be seen with us,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're given a silent support. And those that do

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<v Speaker 3>want to be seen with us, they've got their chests out, mate,

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<v Speaker 3>they're walking tall beside us.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're going to get to the bottom of it, Jay.

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<v Speaker 4>And Eden is not the only person child who they've

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<v Speaker 4>done this with. That's why if they release the autopsy photos, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>A Pandora's box.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going to have to explain themselves to many other

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<v Speaker 4>families across Tasmania going to ask.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonder there fight against it, They've going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to see the same because the admiration that Jason

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<v Speaker 4>and I are receiving is quite humbling for what we

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<v Speaker 4>have pursued and what we've endured.

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<v Speaker 2>As Jason and Amanda talked, it was a stark reminder

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<v Speaker 2>to me that the last three seasons of this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>have been about the story of Eden Westbrook, but more

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<v Speaker 2>it's about their family and their daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it takes courage to share this sad story about

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<v Speaker 3>our daughter. Honey, when I read what's in the paper,

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<v Speaker 3>when I hear what's being spoke about, that's our daughter

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<v Speaker 3>is So I don't know if you, even your audience

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<v Speaker 3>can understand what to share this story.

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<v Speaker 5>It's as good as it's been, it's also it has

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<v Speaker 5>been hard for us, Jade, because this is our daughter

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<v Speaker 5>we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about a fifteen year old girl found hung

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<v Speaker 3>in the main street of.

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<v Speaker 5>The seaside town on the East case of taserradia.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not something to be you know, we're not proud

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<v Speaker 3>of that, mate. You know, we're not ashamed of it either.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's our daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>So the emotions is something I can't explain.

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<v Speaker 2>For more than a year, Jason and Amanda have had

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<v Speaker 2>more peace working quietly in the background. You'll notice we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't spoken of their old barrister who no longer works

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<v Speaker 2>on Eden's case. But the good news is that Jason

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<v Speaker 2>and Amanda have secured the services of an elite Australian

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<v Speaker 2>barrister who's going to work on this case pro bono

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<v Speaker 2>for no other reason than to help the family. This

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<v Speaker 2>new practicing barrister is currently tied up in a high

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<v Speaker 2>profile case. Once that's clear, he'll start the work with

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<v Speaker 2>all the new information that the team behind Jason and

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda have been gathering. Do you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>me about how that came about and how that makes

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<v Speaker 2>you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Confident to have this personal, high profile barrister with the

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<v Speaker 3>high profile case currently underway.

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<v Speaker 5>So we've got a bit of correspondence back and forth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's looking really good, Jay and once he's finished with

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<v Speaker 3>this case he's dealing with at the moment, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>extremely interested in getting to the bottom of this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So just like that, excellent news, and it means that

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<v Speaker 2>legally you can continue to push forward without having that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of and I guess I can sense the frustration,

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<v Speaker 2>the anger and also the hope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, those two words you just use frustration and hope

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<v Speaker 3>that they're probably too I missed out on my emotions

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<v Speaker 3>when I read doctor Borron Collins' report, Jay, They're very

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<v Speaker 3>descriptive of how I felt, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one more final bit of good news that was

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<v Speaker 2>released in the last few weeks from the Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 2>Guy Barnett. This letter that was dated the ninth of April.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote to Jason Amanda. These are his words, but

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<v Speaker 2>not his voice.

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<v Speaker 9>Dear mister and missus Westbrook, I am writing to thank

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<v Speaker 9>you for the feedback you provided on the draft Justice

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<v Speaker 9>and Related Legislation Miscellaneous Amendments Bill twenty twenty five to Bill. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 9>I want to offer my sincere apologies that you were

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<v Speaker 9>not notified of the consultation period for this bill. This

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<v Speaker 9>was an oversight and I will personally make sure that

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<v Speaker 9>you are kept informed as these important reforms progress. In

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<v Speaker 9>that spirit, today I will be tabling the final bill

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<v Speaker 9>as enclosed in Parliament. You will see that the amendments

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<v Speaker 9>to the Coroners Act nineteen ninety five the Coroner's Act

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<v Speaker 9>in the final Bill have been significantly changed in response

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<v Speaker 9>to the feedback you provide. I instructed my Department of

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<v Speaker 9>Justice to make these amendments to the Coroners Act to

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<v Speaker 9>provide for a clear and direct right of access by

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<v Speaker 9>senior next of kin to coronial records. This is essential

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<v Speaker 9>in the spirit of open justice to ensure transparency, accountability,

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<v Speaker 9>and public confidence in our justice system. I also hope

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<v Speaker 9>that the provision of this material can provide some amount

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<v Speaker 9>of closure to yourself and other families following an investigation

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<v Speaker 9>into a death. I sincerely hope that these proposed changes

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<v Speaker 9>will address the concerns you have raised. Thank you once

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<v Speaker 9>again for taking the time to provide feedback on these

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<v Speaker 9>important amendments.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask how you felt when you saw

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<v Speaker 2>that letter from Guy Barnett come through.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a long time coming, but it felt like

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<v Speaker 7>there is going to be some sincere justice when that

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<v Speaker 7>legislation has changed.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think he's since there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Guy has seen enough paperwork from us to

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<v Speaker 4>have evidence to support that movement, and he has, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is the only real authority or power that he

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<v Speaker 4>had to obtain these autopsy photos. That's how tricky the

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<v Speaker 4>Coroner's Act has been previously to this new act coming about.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you have such a tricky situation and the

0:17:05.521 --> 0:17:10.241
<v Speaker 4>coroner themselves doesn't have the time to put into every

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<v Speaker 4>single body that came through their office, then we really

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.640
<v Speaker 4>can't give the coroner all that power authority, trust, trust

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<v Speaker 4>that they're going to handle everybody's body sensitively. Whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>a piece of paper or not, it's still a person,

0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.440
<v Speaker 4>it's still somebody's loved one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I found since that most.

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<v Speaker 4>People would expect this to be something that goes without

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<v Speaker 4>question or goes without say. It just should automatically happen

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<v Speaker 4>in such an office.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a privilege to have someone of the caliber of

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<v Speaker 3>God as Attorney General Staan in Tasmanian Parliament and speak.

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<v Speaker 5>Highly of Amanda and I in our family.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you heard what he said on

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<v Speaker 3>that day, Jay, but it was quite humbling and he

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<v Speaker 3>almost I felt respects us for what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>And then we got gun fighting, Jackie.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, So we got these two politicians, which but

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<v Speaker 3>not always a line.

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<v Speaker 5>You know this, Jay, Yeah, we got these two.

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<v Speaker 3>From different groups fighting for our family, and that's power.

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<v Speaker 5>So you say how I felt when the letter come mate,

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<v Speaker 5>I've got.

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<v Speaker 3>Letters coming from attorney generals wanting to change legislation in

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<v Speaker 3>Tasmania because of the noise you and I am Amanda

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<v Speaker 3>have made j and Jackie and you know, I say,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel empowered a little and I really do hope

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<v Speaker 3>we can get these autopsy photos to doctor Byron Collins,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hope he can finish his report because as

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment for him to come back with Eden's

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<v Speaker 3>deaths undetermined. That's doing my head in mate, because.

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<v Speaker 2>So this legislation allows you to have any of the

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<v Speaker 2>files that the current has, but it only allows you

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<v Speaker 2>to have them right now, so it hasn't really changed

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that doctor Byron Collins can't see them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not saying that they would do that.

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<v Speaker 4>We're just saying, in a hypothetical we have been that's right,

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<v Speaker 4>we've been gagged. We were being told when we receive

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<v Speaker 4>this we cannot share it with anybody but the people

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<v Speaker 4>which we have missed, which we haven't, and we don't

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<v Speaker 4>want that to be for somebody to go through. We

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<v Speaker 4>want the person to be confidently okay, granted the information.

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<v Speaker 4>Grant the information firstly, and then pass it on to

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<v Speaker 4>someone who specifies specifically in these areas.

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<v Speaker 5>An expert, and we're not that. We're a mom and

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<v Speaker 5>dad mate.

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<v Speaker 1>No mom and dad will be that.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's silly just to say, Okay, we'll give

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<v Speaker 4>it to the parents.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's make them even feel worse by giving the autosy photos.

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<v Speaker 5>To the parents. It can't happen. It's got to go

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<v Speaker 5>to the experts. It's got to go to the professionals.

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<v Speaker 3>And the family do not need to see their loved

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<v Speaker 3>ones in that consent of.

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<v Speaker 1>The next of kin or the parent or whomever is.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't matter how strong you are, that will break you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry because I get hearing things.

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't imagine to see it. I just couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I've read some pretty horrific things on my door to Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure throughout the last couple of years you've

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<v Speaker 3>had some correspondence come through your desk, which is hard

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<v Speaker 3>to read because you too are a father mate.

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<v Speaker 5>You know,