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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fear and Greed Q and A where we

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Speaker 1: ask and answer questions about business, investing, economics, politics and more.

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Speaker 1: O'm Michael Thompson and good morning Sean Ale.

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Speaker 2: More morning, Michael, and good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Adam Lange.

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Speaker 3: Hello Michael, Hello Sean Now, hello Adam.

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Speaker 1: It's a day remote working. Does it work or is

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Speaker 1: the office always better? And we have a live case study. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are back in the studio with us now, but

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Speaker 1: you've just spent what was it seven weeks?

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Speaker 2: Was it working? A four week break and then six

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Speaker 2: weeks working remotely?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so six weeks working and not just remotely. You're

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, the village in

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Speaker 1: the south of France.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, south of France. And then we traveled quite a bit,

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Speaker 2: so regularly I would do this show from somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: So describe the setup to us so that when when

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Speaker 1: you were recording the show remotely like that, what do

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Speaker 1: you do? How did you set yourself up physically?

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Speaker 2: Well, you two pedance, made me take an extra made

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Speaker 2: me take an extra bag over with microphones, laptops. You

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Speaker 2: needed the technology. And so once we got to our

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Speaker 2: place in a little spot called Saint Germain de bell

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Speaker 2: Air was the village that it was just one of

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Speaker 2: those French villages, just beautiful. We would basically the way

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Speaker 2: that rhythm of the day was. You tend to get

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Speaker 2: up very early. Now I might have meetings in the

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Speaker 2: mornings Australian time, so the time difference was somewhere between

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Speaker 2: eight and ten hours, depending on daylight saving. So casion

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Speaker 2: now ga up at one or two am, got back

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Speaker 2: to bed for an hour, get up at four am.

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Speaker 2: But once we got into the rhythm of it, it

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Speaker 2: was mostly like a four or five am start. But

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Speaker 2: by twelve o'clock you're more or less done. With the technology,

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Speaker 2: it was really easy. So, I mean, internet connection was

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Speaker 2: the biggest issue. And there was one night I know

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Speaker 2: that we did the weekend show and I found myself

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Speaker 2: at one thirty am in the morning because it hadn't uploaded,

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Speaker 2: driving my little rental car to a village ten kilometers

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Speaker 1: What was your rental car? Just out of interest?

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Speaker 2: Was like as you was, But what I found was interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was paranoid that I wasn't working hard enough. That's

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Speaker 2: one thing, because you don't get feedback. You don't know

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Speaker 2: whether or not you're doing a good job. You have

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Speaker 2: to have work mates who are patient with you, good looking,

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Speaker 2: happy for you to do it, because unless you two

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Speaker 2: were allowed me to do it, that would never have worked.

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Speaker 2: And there were times I said, I can't do this.

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Speaker 2: So you had to put yourselves out to do shows

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Speaker 2: and things like that, and so that's really important. But fundamentally,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of have phomo and all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. But once I get into the rhythm of it,

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Speaker 2: and Jackie and my partner did it for her work.

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Speaker 2: She runs a charity. Once we got into the rhythm

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Speaker 2: of it, it actually worked really well. And then it

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Speaker 2: was as we traveled, we just make sure wherever we

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Speaker 2: stayed at somewhere that I could record from. As you

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Speaker 2: two have both told me many times, recording from a

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Speaker 2: And so you just had to get it with them,

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Speaker 2: and once you got going, there's no difference to working

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Speaker 2: from here from the studio broadly.

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Speaker 1: So the highlight for me, among many was at one

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Speaker 1: point you and I had a conversation where we were

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Speaker 1: recording a little snippet of content, and you were recording

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Speaker 1: from a toilet in Morocco.

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Speaker 2: Some of the some of the risks, some of the places.

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Speaker 2: So we went to Marrakesh. Right now, if you've been

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Speaker 2: to those particularly color what colorful, lots of tiles around.

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Speaker 2: we were staying in a jeep in Marrakesh, beautiful place.

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Speaker 2: Went in. I had to find the absolute smallest room

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Speaker 2: to minimize the recurrenation. And Michael, we're doing it on

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Speaker 2: of situations like that needs must that's right, and you

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Speaker 2: a patient. That's actually the most important thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Sean. So I think before I get into so

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Speaker 3: many questions, look, first of all the stating the obvious.

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Speaker 3: There is a huge amount of self interest in you

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Speaker 3: doing this right, because one day, as we've all talked

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Speaker 3: about we'd love to do the same thing. Like if

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Speaker 3: do this work from around the world, we'd love to

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Speaker 2: So what amazes me is a number of my friends

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Speaker 2: who have kids, it's kind of at later years in

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Speaker 2: it's going? Yes, because everyone's like, oh, if you can

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Speaker 2: do that, I reckon, we can do that. Michael, your

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Speaker 2: there that Adam, you're getting student there, you're always there,

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Speaker 2: So you and Lara you could absolutely do it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Lara's English, right, and we from time

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Speaker 3: to time feel the pains of being remote from them, right.

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Speaker 3: But also it is a fantastic world, and you've got

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Speaker 3: so much going on in the Northern Hemisphere that we

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Speaker 3: just don't swim amongst enough. So I'd love to be

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Speaker 3: able to do it. Having you and Jackie do it

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Speaker 3: is such a good experiment for us, right, I can

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Speaker 3: imagine like, just as you describe those disrupted sleep nights,

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Speaker 3: that's hard, right, that's a grind. I understand the benefits too,

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Speaker 3: but there is an investment that you need to make

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Speaker 3: in well being. Through all of that, I think we

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Speaker 3: did something quite cruel, you know, in hindsight.

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Speaker 2: No intentionally agree. I'm not sure what you're going to say.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well you know how reliant we are on laptops,

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Speaker 3: and we go.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this was cruel, This is not cruel.

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Speaker 1: We needed to be cool.

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Speaker 2: Before I left two days before. So I've been a

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Speaker 2: Microsoft person all my life. Two days before we left

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Speaker 2: these two and Michael said, look, the picture quality is

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Speaker 2: so much better on a MacBook, and use a MacBook.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, fair enough, what's not much difference is there? Well,

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Speaker 2: that day one that MacBook nearly went out the window

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Speaker 2: many many times because there are differences. So I got

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Speaker 1: It, and you and you'll never look back now. And

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Speaker 1: also you're leaving out the key that my god, you

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Speaker 1: that was a change by necessity. Yes, and once you

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Speaker 3: So my point being, apart from hey, we had all

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Speaker 3: had a vested interest in you doing this. You and

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Speaker 3: Jackie working from overseas. I loved it, right, I was

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Speaker 3: actually at times worried about just how you could stay

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Speaker 3: well through managing two hemispheres, two time zones. Right, But

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Speaker 3: you know that the point I guess some jobs, I

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Speaker 3: bet some some jobs don't permit this, right, if you're

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Speaker 3: working in retail or restaurant or physical environments, mining, constructing,

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Speaker 3: you have to be there, right, But we actually have

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Speaker 3: jobs that could enable this, and so from time to

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Speaker 3: time I think it's awesome. But you can come undone

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Speaker 3: on some of the stuff you just don't anticipate. This

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Speaker 3: so simple like a Wi Fi connection, really good tools, laptop,

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Speaker 2: So what Jack and I found, because she'd have meetings,

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Speaker 2: Because Jack, you've got physical environment, both physical environment the

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Speaker 2: noise of someone talking close by. So Jack, you've got

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Speaker 2: five till six, I've got six till seven.

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Speaker 3: You've got a roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a roster. But I mean at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, talk about first the problems.

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Speaker 2: It was in the afternoon. Would go and have a

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Speaker 2: something like that. It was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: We'll see Ricky Gervais.

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Speaker 2: We see Ricky Gervas, So tell me would you do

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Speaker 2: it again tomorrow? In fact, actually the kids said did

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Speaker 2: you miss this? Ah? Yeah, no no, yeah. So all

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Speaker 2: the kids left school, so you know they all live

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Speaker 2: at home still independent. Yeah, yes, and you do miss them.

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Speaker 2: What's hard is coming back and there's just been the

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Speaker 2: two of us in this bubble, coming back to a

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Speaker 2: and boyfriends and it's like, oh my god, who are they?

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Speaker 3: Stop this house?

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Speaker 2: Stop?

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Speaker 1: What was the state of the house when you got back, Sean.

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Speaker 2: Look, it'll take a few It was actually pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Like I can't complain too much.

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Speaker 1: But they're not listening.

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Speaker 2: You go for it.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to complain?

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Speaker 2: What a shit show? I'm Jacob, No, no, no, it

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Speaker 2: was actually pretty good. It was pretty good. All right,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Sean, Thanks Michael, thank you, Adam.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure.

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Speaker 1: I'm Michael Thompson and this is Fear and Greed, pure

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