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Speaker 3: Most immense amount of grace. Nazim Hussein's comedy holds a

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Speaker 3: The fuck yeah.

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Speaker 3: Ritual is important and it brings meaning to things.

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Speaker 4: Who's his dad?

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Speaker 1: almost three, which is like I'm you know, got Schrilankan,

438
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: very Sri Lankan household. I grew up in with my

439
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: mum and sisters and Schrilankan family. Then the Muslim community

440
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: often many of those Muslims were sial Aangua. There's Shalanka

441
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 1: Muslim associations we used to hang out with as well.

442
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: And then there's like, you know, you're broader Australian society,

443
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: so that's just non Muslim, non chalank In Australians and

444
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 1: they're all mixed up too. So I do think like, yeah,

445
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,959
Speaker 1: privately a lot of people do their own spiritual thing,

446
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 1: but I think like publicly, yeah, we're not as spiritual.

447
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 3: I think as like we maybe used to.

448
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 1: Australia used to be, Like I think Christianity used to

449
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: be a bigger part of like public life. Carras by candlelight.

450
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: It's almost like the you know, coming together and almost

451
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: like like thinking about something.

452
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 2: Greater than yourself. I always feel like giving always helps.

453
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: Me feel like like that kind of takes me to

454
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: that sort of spiritual that's spiritual minds.

455
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: So what do you call it?

456
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Whatever, Sam Harris, what I think. I always feel like

457
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 1: when I'm doing something good. Yeah, even though it like

458
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: externally looks like I'm being a good guy or like

459
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to get praise, you know, like

460
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 1: giving a homeless person some money and you know, getting

461
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: the thanks from him, it actually makes me feel really good,

462
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: like it almost gives me a feeling of like, oh, yeah,

463
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 1: I have a purpose, there's some sort of like I

464
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 1: can do good like there it's sort of it's the

465
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: opposite of despair, Like there's so much that you can't do,

466
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 1: your turn on the news, and everything is so out

467
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: of our control. And when you can do something that's

468
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 1: in your control, you feel positive that person's helping you

469
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: give you purpose and yeah, I feel like it kind

470
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: of just reignites that sort of the sense of I

471
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: can make a change and there is a higher purpose

472
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: for us.

473
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,359
Speaker 3: Then just sort of feeding our.

474
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: Own designers like more money, more you know, more food

475
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: in my mouth more enjoyment more like praise and so yeah,

476
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: I feel like just doing things for others and I

477
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: don't do enough. I'm not saying I do a lot, No, same,

478
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: but like I always feel I don't know how you feel,

479
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: but like my wife always does the thing, which you know,

480
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: because I don't really carry out much cash, as we

481
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: all don't, but you know, she'll like and be like, oh,

482
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 1: I've got some cash. Here's five bucks to put in

483
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: your wallet, just so if you pass someone. She always

484
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: makes it a point to like have some cash in

485
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: a wilet or person just to give. And even though

486
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: it's not much, it's just like the practice of it.

487
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: I think it's also good to like we try, we

488
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 1: try to. We've said, look, we should try to model

489
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: this for our kids.

490
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we don't do it enough.

491
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 4: It is.

492
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: It is like there's a book by God called rut Bregman.

493
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: It's called Humankind, and he really kind of highlights in

494
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: a fantastic way, like the true, only true source of

495
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: happiness is in serving others. That's like a big TV

496
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: will make it feel happy until you've got nothing to

497
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 3: watch and you'll be like, fuck this big TV. There's

498
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: nothing on, but actually.

499
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: Give that TV to something.

500
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well then they'll go. But it's being kind to

501
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: another is a thing that ignites that thing within us.

502
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 3: We're wired for it. That's how we survived like this

503
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: because it's it is that we are not what does

504
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 3: he say, it's not survivable the fittest, it's avivable of

505
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 3: the friendliness friendliest. Yeah, that's how forty people can get

506
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: to to kill a mammoth, right right, because we'll get along.

507
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: So true.

508
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is actually because it is you know, sometimes

509
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: you're just like, hey, I could live by myself. Like

510
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, when you ever just go for a drive

511
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: someonhere in the country and you just see beautiful place,

512
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: You're like, I could just live there and just stay

513
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: in that hut forever.

514
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: But actually I think you're just like a.

515
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 3: Manifest I want a Smith Corona typewriter exactly.

516
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: You lose your mind and also like you just need

517
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: that connection.

518
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: It's like that there's some sort of like experiment where

519
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: there was like, you know, fifty people in a room

520
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: and like they there's and there's fifty balloons and each

521
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: balloon has every person's name, was you know, your name

522
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: someone's name on it and and the balloon's just like

523
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: scattered throughout the room, and you have to go find

524
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: your balloon. And and the first time everyone just went

525
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: and looked for their balloon, and it took ten minutes, say,

526
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: for instance, everybody to find their balloons on average. And

527
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: then the second time they said, all right, this time,

528
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: when you find a balloon, give it to the person

529
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Speaker 1: whose balloon it is, and that and just do that.

530
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: And it took everybody like a fifth of the time, wow,

531
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: to get their own balloon back.

532
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: Because helping each other.

533
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the maths of it, but basically mathematically

534
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: as well, yeah, it's easy. It's quicker to help another

535
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: person achieve their goal. And then therefore you'll so we're

536
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: all helping each other in society, we all get what

537
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: we want.

538
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: We all get our balloons back.

539
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: Quicker, we all get our balloons.

540
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: That's what I'm really bad.

541
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: At describing experiments.

542
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, that makes sense. And you know we

543
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: were talking about agreeing on a handshake, all right. Have

544
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 3: you traveled to Japan? Yeah, well, you know there's a

545
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: cutter for everything. Walking through a door, getting changed, you know,

546
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: you've seen it, getting on and off a train, every

547
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: single person knows the rules around everything.

548
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: And because they do that.

549
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: And they have this really kind of way of thinking,

550
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 3: like we're all here together, we're here for each other.

551
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 3: It's just a a society that I was there and

552
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: I go for work and there's a sixty year old

553
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: bloke and a boiler suit on his hands and with

554
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: the dust pan and brush sweeping up leaves in Ginza

555
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: and he's look on his faces like making my city

556
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: beautiful today.

557
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: And the people walking past.

558
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: Him went, yeah, what are you doing? Im watching TV?

559
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, thank you so much because without you,

560
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to take my client here down

561
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 3: this street. But now my client's are like, how great

562
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: is this streets?

563
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 4: Thank you? It was real?

564
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: And the thing is, yeah, it's so beautiful.

565
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: Like the way that they codify their their culture like

566
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: that and when they're yeah, when they're showing respect to

567
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: each other, you know the intention behind it.

568
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: And we've got our own way of doing that. I think,

569
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, really like we have codified Like for instance,

570
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: I think calling.

571
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Your mate a dickhead and hanging shit on him is like,

572
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: I think just the true definition of closeness. Like as

573
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: soon as you can you can call someone you know

574
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: ugly or something to their face because they're your mate.

575
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, you guys clearly get along, like

576
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: you're clearly very close that you can do that, like

577
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: just the way. Yeah, I just think we've sort of

578
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: got our own way of you know, like we you know,

579
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: we we we call each other all sorts of names.

580
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: For doing the wrong. Then you nearly said can't.

581
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't know, I've said it now,

582
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: like we have to translate that cultural I.

583
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 5: Saw you real.

584
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 3: Wrong away from it.

585
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 2: Have you seen us?

586
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Was on tweet where someone said some of someone is

587
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: a sick can and then they had to and then

588
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: all the comments under it were like excuse me, that's offends,

589
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: and then in Australia had to go on in Australia.

590
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: This is one of the highest ones of it. Truly

591
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: is truly it is uh, just on the thing about

592
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: things that could benefit others. My Indonesian mate I asked

593
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: him once about this and he said, look, just five

594
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: times a day I get the opportunity to remember that

595
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: it's not all about me. And as a sober person,

596
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, I get that.

597
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it's because we need the reminder.

598
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Five times a day, mate, five times, like once a

599
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: day is probably more than most people ever get to

600
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: even just consider that there's more than me in this world.

601
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the things I've grown up praying

602
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: five times a day. And I will say though, that

603
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: every time I pray, I still have to remind myself

604
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: the point of the prayers. So you can get caught

605
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: in just the rituals and just gone through the motions,

606
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: but you know, you still have to be remind yourself

607
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: to be.

608
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Present when you are when you are doing those those things.

609
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: What do you get out of it?

610
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: For me, it is like a punctuation in my day.

611
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: It's like that, Yeah, you're busy. There's all sorts of

612
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: stuff going on. You know, you can be really really

613
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: popular and selling out shows and you know, getting heaps

614
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: of praise and clips gone viral, whatever the heck. You know,

615
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: it makes you feel good out there, but then oh,

616
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: your phone's buzzing, it's time to pray.

617
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: You still got a wash, mate. I'm a pro, and

618
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm a fucking pro Muslim.

619
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: Pro wasn't pro exactly exactly.

620
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: That's my nine dollars ninety five per year, you know,

621
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: the subscription model.

622
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: I think I always canceled the day after I've signed

623
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: up just then Order on you.

624
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, it's just that kind of reminder like,

625
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, your head touches the ground.

626
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: It's like you at the.

627
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: End of the day, we all come from the we're

628
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: all from the earth, and we'll go back there.

629
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: You know.

630
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,719
Speaker 2: It's sort of like a grounding and then you can

631
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: go back to like being a big ship dickhead afterwards.

632
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's sort of like it's a it's a

633
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: good just sort of grounding for me. I try to

634
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: use it to ground myself, but also like just have

635
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: a moment of quiet, like yeah, just you know, sometimes

636
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about you. You just go to the toilet.

637
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just get a moment of peace in your life.

638
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 4: Mate. The toddler is the toilet is.

639
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: It's just like it's the safe house emails.

640
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 3: Finally, so we're watching Ordering. I love Survivor. It's on

641
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: of the greatest fucking television formats. It was one of

642
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: the greatest ever invented.

643
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I miss the.

644
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: Originalbelievable reality shows and uh one of the very.

645
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: Very very first one of the very first, but I

646
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: think I personally think it's one of the greatest games

647
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 3: that people like, you've got football, you've got you know, gridiron,

648
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: you've got a f L. As far as a game

649
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: that humans play against each other, I think it's an

650
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: extraordinary game because it self rights the whole way down.

651
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: If you're too much of a motherfucker to someone and

652
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: they get through the jury, they'll be like, I'm not you.

653
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: You dogged me, mate.

654
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it really exposes personalities really way people think.

655
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: So there was a guy. Have you watched the season?

656
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: I saw who won this season? Yeah? This is okay.

657
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: So here comes a spoiler in case you don't know

658
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: who's won. This recent season of twenty twenty was on

659
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 3: vat so Ferres won and Arrest was praying.

660
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: They showed him praying quite a bit.

661
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering, like you follow football because and I

662
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: were talking about this, there is on primetime TV praying

663
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, I wonder, what you know's a

664
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: you know.

665
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: We're both I'm white.

666
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: No one cares growing up like we call white peoples

667
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: and like it still is like what do you mean,

668
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: oh you mean?

669
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: He's like yeah, yeah, So make him uncomfortable, but she said, yeah,

670
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: but they've got no problem with the you know, the

671
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: tongue and boys doing the sign of the cross when

672
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: they score a try. All right, So watching football in

673
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: another country, maybe in a Muslim country, is it the same,

674
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Like if someone does a Niese slide and does a

675
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: sign of a cross, you're like versus you know when

676
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: the who they with the sage that like the North

677
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: Africa Oh right, no, no, no, yeah, they goes from

678
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: North Africa. They made it through Moroccan. When the Moroccan

679
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: team were praying all at once, people, there's like ten guys.

680
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: Was one of the best fucking goals of the tournament.

681
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what's the well, I.

682
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Think, like, look not to say, but like Islamophobia is

683
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: a very Western thing, whereas I think in the East

684
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: or the global South, there's no it's there's there's no

685
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: like Christianophobic. People aren't like scared of Christianity. So yeah, well,

686
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: obviously there's there's reasons why slimmerphobia exists and why like

687
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: people governments of demonizers Muslims or Arabs as being scary.

688
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, like I.

689
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Think I think that, and I was speaking to Ah

690
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I think it was Naith Valve and a couple of

691
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: comedians on the way to a gig recently when when

692
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: Feris won and they were like it was such a

693
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: beautiful moment seeing for us when and like do the

694
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: sage that like prostrate to God, Like this is the

695
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Australia that I think we all know, Like you walk

696
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: down the street just literally we're here in Melbourne. It's

697
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: so multicultural and that culture is starting to be reflected

698
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: on TV more. I mean if it's not, people are

699
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: just turning off, like and it's it's the culture that

700
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: we all know. No one is actually scared of people

701
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: like celebrating it. That's the best part of Australia. And yeah,

702
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, I think it's it's like

703
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: there's no point running away from those realities, like it

704
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: doesn't make us stronger. I think we've done that for

705
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: so long. Australia has swept under the carpet our racism

706
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: and it still keeps wearing its out, like not going.

707
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: Not a very big rug, it's very very small, right

708
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: and he can totally feels a lumpy rug. It's all

709
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: a racism under there.

710
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot you know, and just like there's always

711
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: someone that pierces through and you know she's often redheaded,

712
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: and you know, like they will just let us know

713
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: that it's still there.

714
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: All you saw Eddie Betts the other days. You know,

715
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: he's keeps flaming mask king. So that's and again, like

716
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of black people say.

717
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: Like this is not surprising.

718
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: This is but it's just but it's surprising that it

719
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: is still surprising to some people.

720
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: So Tony Armstrong said that he goes, I'm surprised that

721
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: people are surprised.

722
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like.

723
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like, you know, which is you know,

724
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: in a way, it's good that people are being surprised

725
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: because it's like they're waking up, But it's also like,

726
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: are you.

727
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: Seriously you didn't know?

728
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: It's like Chappelle had that joke years ago where he

729
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: was like it took white people to read about racism

730
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: on the cover of some magazine to be like, can you.

731
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: Believe all this stuff that's happening in the black people?

732
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: What the hell? That sketched the night Trump won the

733
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: SNL sketch with him and Rock You're like, yeah, So

734
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: when I was at the Eddie Burt's thing, the footage

735
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen it. I was trying to describe

736
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: it to someone who see it the other night, Like

737
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: if I'm in the other room and I hit my knee, ah,

738
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 3: you'd be like, he's right. But if I hit it

739
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: and I'll open the vein, you'll hear something in my voice,

740
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: You'll run, even though I've just only said the same way. Ah.

741
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: When you hear the man speak the hate in his voice,

742
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: it makes me sick just thinking about it. You see

743
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: the kids duck like they've heard a gunshot. Yeah, it's

744
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: not just a word, it's the weaponized. You can hear

745
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: it in his heart.

746
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: It's just Now that's a good way of just horrible.

747
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's yeah, that is such.

748
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very visceral like and he says it once

749
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: and then he says it again and again and again

750
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: and again, like it was like not a stray bullet,

751
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: Like this was prettymanitated. The car stops, he's there and

752
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: he says it and says it and says it and

753
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: then slowly drives off like you know, if I'm.

754
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: So glad we don't have guns, we're not allowed guns

755
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: and say mate.

756
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Because like that was like you know, what that wasn't

757
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: the worst he could do.

758
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: If this was the States, it would be very very different.

759
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

760
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like I have to I have to think

761
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: what's going on in that guy's life that he thinks

762
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: this is okay? Who are the people that surround him

763
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: that he can't wait to go and tell I've done

764
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: this thing and I'm going to get a slap on

765
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: the back, Like what what's happening with this dude?

766
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: You know, Like there's so like, there's so much to

767
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: be said about why racists are racist, but like I

768
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, a lot of it has to do

769
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: with just like people being susceptible to what they're fed.

770
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: You know, people eat what they're fed. And if you

771
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: just fed like racism from people that shouldn't know better,

772
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: well then yeah, where do you expect people to just

773
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: spout that out?

774
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: You know?

775
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: And who knows that maybe this guy has had a

776
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: bad day, maybe he lost his job. Maybe, Like in

777
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: a way, I kind of understand it more when it's

778
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: directed towards migrants, because some people, you know, sometimes blue

779
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: collar workers are told that they're losing their jobs because

780
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: micros are still in their jobs and this and that.

781
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like that's all

782
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: not true.

783
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: But you know, like yeah, when it's directed towards First

784
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: Nations people, it's like it's just pure racistm and it's

785
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: just you know, I hope those kids are fine.

786
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: I hope any bets in this family farment.

787
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: I also had that like that man like you know,

788
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: figures his ship out and someone gives them a big

789
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: hug and takes the time to just like you know,

790
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: Eddie Betts is like has a big heart. Man, that

791
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: guy offered to sit down with the guy, which is

792
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: like an insane reaction.

793
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this, Like so.

794
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: Not in it, not in a chat.

795
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: In that I still Briggs comment to go, yeah, I

796
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: want to have a chat with him too, that kind

797
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: of chat.

798
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: Bringing, yeah, come down, let's have a chat.

799
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: I've heard ye say that loud.

800
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: But he's a crack up.

801
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: But like like so if you go to my dms

802
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: or even just like just check out comments on some

803
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: of my videos, on all my videos, it'll be compliment, compliment, compliment,

804
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: hardcore racism, com come and come, I got racist, And

805
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: most of the time.

806
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm just like whatever, I don't care. I'm just

807
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: used on I've seen them more seen all the iterations.

808
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: But sometimes I'll get like mean DM. Sometimes I get

809
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: like real death threat DMS right.

810
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: And normally sometimes I will reply just something snarkily back,

811
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: just and then they freak out.

812
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 2: They're like what he exists? Like it's not just.

813
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Some account, but the other day it's true. Sory So

814
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: maybe aut a year ago. Susan Carlin, So she's a

815
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: will eat Arlie's wife. I don't like describing it that way,

816
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: but something she's got a pitch.

817
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: She's a brilliant woman, incredibly started, very colver person, very she.

818
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: She actually made this pledge to donate one dollar a

819
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: unise for every hate tweet she receives, and so she's

820
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: donated literally like thousands of dollars, no joke, So you

821
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: know her.

822
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 2: She was talking to me one day and she said,

823
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: you know, like.

824
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: I was reading something about like the way I think

825
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: the Coronic or like the Islamic way to deal with

826
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: like hate is almost like to reply with peace, like

827
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: I think literally the word piece, but also just with peace.

828
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: And so she's like, like I've just been trying that.

829
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, Susan, you are a way better person than me,

830
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and pretty much everybody. I know, there's no way I

831
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: could respond to that sort of shit with it anyway.

832
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: One day, like some guy sent me some crazy crap

833
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: and I was about to like just get snarky back

834
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: because and I'm just like, you know, I'm funnier than them,

835
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: so I can always take him down a peg.

836
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: Anyway.

837
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I'll do the Susan thing,

838
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: and she was just trying. So I reply back saying, hey, man,

839
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: I hope you will. And I was being sarcastic, like,

840
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: sounds like you've got a bit crap going on your life.

841
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you sort that out anyway.

842
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: He then replied saying, you and I've been having a

843
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: bit shit going on, and I was like, yeah, well

844
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: maybe you.

845
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: Maybe you just take a moment yourself and sort it out.

846
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 3: Anyway.

847
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: Fast forward a few days later, he messages me going, hey, bro,

848
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: just saw you know. I really appreciate your message. It

849
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: was for your conversation with me. I not even exactly

850
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I would have killed myself. I was like what And

851
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: he was literally like in the pits and was just

852
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: like I was a close target. Maybe he had a

853
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: bit of racism and he just took it out of me,

854
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: and like I guess was expecting if I was going

855
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: to reply a confrontation, but because I asked about how

856
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: he was and he was clearly an upset person, he

857
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: felt connected and I don't know that connection. And again

858
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm a nice person.

859
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: I was trying to be smartest back. My tone was

860
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: being smart alegy.

861
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I was also just like literally doing the Susan suggestion,

862
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: just to see if this is just a funny.

863
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: I don't know.

864
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: I was just I wasn't sort of mindlessly replying to

865
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: not being a good guy, like genuine act as if it's.

866
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: Called to act, as if we need to take a

867
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: quick break, got to pay the piper back in a moment.

868
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: This obviously Australia. We as we saw last year, you know,

869
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: we really really really don't want to look into this

870
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: issue of ours.

871
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: We don't.

872
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: We can't get past it. I don't know why. There's

873
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: a lot of shame around it. It's like, but if

874
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 3: we just if we figured it out, if it would

875
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: just recognize it, truth and reconciliation.

876
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 4: Has proven to work, all right, just let's walk towards it.

877
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 3: Let's just walk towards it, and maybe we can get there.

878
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Ten years ago or so, when you first started to

879
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: work in television, you're like, hey, man, I got this

880
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: idea for a season, a whole series, a comedy around this.

881
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: Like what was the reactions? What were people like when

882
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: you're pitching these people like who are very risk averse.

883
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: When it comes to this cont literally, Like so I

884
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: was at working as a tax consultant and I had

885
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 1: done a show called Salam Cafe with Wali and Susan

886
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: and a few other Muslims. Like we started on Channel

887
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: thirty one and we did a season on SBS. It

888
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: was just like again we were just we were all

889
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: working full time doing our thing, and this is a

890
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: side thing, you know, because again we've seen a lot

891
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: of stuff about Muslims on the news. We were like,

892
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: these look like none of the people that we know.

893
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: Let's just do a show for our comnity. Really, and

894
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: it got super popular. Anyway, So after a season and that,

895
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: I was just continuing to work at this professional services

896
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: firm and then SBS kind of started pitching random show

897
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: ideas to me, like and they were all sort of

898
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: like half an idea that I like, I liked a

899
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: bit of liked to be that, but I didn't really

900
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, how about this is

901
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: an idea and I just it's collegally brown stand up

902
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: based show in a studio with sketches and stunts and

903
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: some characters, literally just like a one page idea.

904
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: I was just like, what do you think?

905
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: And they said, yeah, this sounds good, and they just

906
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: basically commission it straight away. I didn't really know like

907
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: what that meant. When I was still working and I

908
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: took to my bosses and then I said, oh, hey, yeah,

909
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: the said that I should have my own show, but

910
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to like leave work, you know,

911
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: you know you guys, Yeah, can I have a couple

912
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: of weeks off, you know if it's too much, don't

913
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: worry about And they're like, mate, this is your own

914
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: television show.

915
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 2: The corporate world is always going to be here. Just

916
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: go and do this show. So I was like, oh,

917
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: are you sure sure? I don't have to like I

918
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: say now, and they're like, no, what are you an idiot?

919
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I almost I almost talked my way

920
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: out of doing it because I thought i'd upset my

921
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: work boss.

922
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, so I did the.

923
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: Show, but it was a I think almost like now,

924
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: in hindsight, I don't I don't believe. I don't understand

925
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: how that got to air, because to do a show

926
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: like that now would feel even more charged.

927
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: In fact, those clips.

928
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Are doing the rounds now and go on gang buses

929
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: more than they did back then. I think people didn't

930
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: really use the language of race. Back then, people didn't talk.

931
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: If you said white person, oh you're white, that was

932
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: like affronting. It's called someone white. Excuse me now I'm

933
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: being racialized, like I am in a racial category.

934
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: Like even that was a lot for people.

935
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, calling someone a brown person

936
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: or a white person, or like Muslims do there, or

937
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: like kind of making jokes about that in the way

938
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: that I think the UK has done for years. The US,

939
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: even New Zealand Canada like the sort of ahead of

940
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: us when it comes to that style of comedy. For

941
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: Australian television, it did seem a little out of place.

942
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: When you're in the middle of like do you think,

943
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: how do I put this? So when we do our show,

944
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: which I really hoping it still do because it's fucking

945
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: super funds awesome, it's really fun, it's really fun where

946
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 3: George Deane can't come and do it the other night,

947
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: and he's fucking.

948
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: I love George, like I've worked with him in the

949
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: radio for Bes unreal man.

950
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: He's I don't want to.

951
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: Say old school mate was seventy two and he looks

952
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 3: five years younger than me, I know, and there's something

953
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: in that Mediterranean diet.

954
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 4: I think.

955
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: But he's like, this is like that time that I

956
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: was with Green Kennedy and they're just going, He's got

957
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: us did this one. He's got a story, story, story, story,

958
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: never stops. But he's such a fucking pro you don't

959
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: accidentally keep working in his seventies. He's fucking amazing. So

960
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: we've had a couple of really fun, fun people when

961
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: you come and do it. What I love doing with

962
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 3: the show is like, and I tell everybody on stage

963
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: and me as well, it's like, this is our opportunity

964
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: to be the most horrible versions of people we can be.

965
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 3: Because early on, when we're starting the show, we were

966
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: doing stories about like Nazi's going for bushwalks.

967
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 4: And Victoria remember that one.

968
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: We're all going on a boy's own camp, come from

969
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: a fucking bushwalk, remember that one. It was fucking hilarious.

970
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: We're all going camping. Yeah, that's not going on television ever.

971
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: But one of the people that was, you know, being

972
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: the guy, he kind of like half aster. After the show,

973
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 3: I was like, a man, this is your chance, because

974
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: everybody in that room wants to laugh at the naswer

975
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 3: and this is your only chance to ever be the

976
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: most racist can't you've ever been on? And we've figured

977
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: out when we did the festival last year, the more

978
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: awful people are on stage, the more people just cannot

979
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: believe and they laugh at us off. So part of that, though,

980
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: is in the middle of somewhere between that character being

981
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 3: horrible and being faced with I know there are actually

982
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 3: people like this and the laugh it kind of can

983
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: short circuit someone's bias or how they might think about

984
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: something because it gets an idea into their head in

985
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: a different way. Do you find that, like, aside from

986
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 3: dms where you change some mu's mind, do you find

987
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 3: that sometimes through your comedy you're able to people go oh,

988
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: I never thought of that way.

989
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: No, it was just like we're you're describing like I

990
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: think it's almost like, you know, if you play up

991
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: the ideas so much, it becomes absurd.

992
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: You can actually see it for what it is, like

993
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: what yeah, like and also.

994
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're you're a Jewish Jewish Jewish You've got you know,

995
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: just like Tiger hit Tit, you know, a Jewish Mauri

996
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: New Zealander playing Hitler.

997
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 4: You know, you've got to commit if you haven't seen it.

998
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: Just one of the most extraordinary films.

999
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good, and it's like I always like

1000
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I've enjoyed doing that with characters as well, Like, really,

1001
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, people are scared of this particular type of Muslim,

1002
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: so I'll play that uncle that they are scared about

1003
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: of and really heighten it, not be ashamed of that character,

1004
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of really like you know, embody it. And then

1005
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: I think people can see that person for what they

1006
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: really are, you know. And I think that's what comedy

1007
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: is good at, like really heightening for me, and I

1008
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: really like that sort of absurd comedy.

1009
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think.

1010
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: It can change people's minds. But also, like I do

1011
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: think in a way it's cathartic for the people who

1012
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: are already on side. And I know that's like singing

1013
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: to the choir, but there's a role for that too,

1014
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Like I think sometimes you feel alone, like we're talking

1015
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: about silos at the start of the show, like about

1016
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, we don't do things together anymore, but just

1017
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: like when you go to maybe protests on Invasion Day,

1018
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: or like you know, Black Lives Matter, or like I

1019
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: think being in a comedy room and being able to

1020
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: laugh at the same thing, especially when's political comedy comedy

1021
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: that has like a point. You don't feel alone with

1022
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: these thoughts. You don't feel like a crazy person in

1023
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: your room, like is the world nuts? Am I the

1024
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: only person that thinks is something wrong here? You know,

1025
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: you're laughing and you're weaponizing in a good.

1026
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Way, like the look I love hearing a whole room

1027
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: like I'm bear in mind. None of the jobs I'll

1028
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: do on TV allow me to deliver a joke really well.

1029
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been there in the audience.

1030
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 3: I've been there as a judgement mask mask mask.

1031
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 4: I can get away with it.

1032
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: The Bachelor Bachelorette not very wish for you. Yeah, okay,

1033
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: but yeah, you can't like that.

1034
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: I'm not playing for a You've always got that like.

1035
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: Kind of half smirk going. I'm like I can see

1036
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: what he's he has to hold back.

1037
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: Well back before Twitter was like the worst fucking truck

1038
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: stop toilet in the world, which it is now. And

1039
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: you also got involved, which is the best, which is

1040
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of fun. I wouldn't. I would write stuff to

1041
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: set things up so that when I would live tweet

1042
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: it later, I could pay it off.

1043
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: Ah, that's great.

1044
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: I'd play a long game like that, but I don't

1045
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: really deliver a like comedy as a thing, So doing this,

1046
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: I love a big fucking laugh like anyone.

1047
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: You know, it's amazing on a whole room.

1048
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 3: But if like the other night, I was like, oh,

1049
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: Melbourne's now forty five percent more dense than it was

1050
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, meaning now parts of Melbourne more dense,

1051
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: densely populated than New York, which makes sense because people

1052
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: walk around wearing black, they walk around fucking pissed off everything,

1053
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: and they walk around completely ignoring homeless people. One person

1054
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, what, thank you?

1055
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: All right?

1056
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: And that was enough, Like yeah, yeah, you and me, yeah,

1057
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: exactly everybody else here.

1058
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: Pretending it's not real.

1059
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: I was.

1060
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: There was another one.

1061
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: I was telling Luke the other day because I don't

1062
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm not doing a stand. I'm going to try and

1063
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: do fucking five minutes first on My Life this week. Yeah,

1064
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: I've never done it.

1065
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: I thought this is kind of like stand up, well.

1066
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 4: It ish jokes, I am, yeah, So what was the line?

1067
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: Fucking oh yeah, we'll talk about daylight saving and there's

1068
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: a there's a Greek way they used to handle it. It

1069
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: was really interesting Romans and there's a lot of things

1070
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: that have made it through from the ancient Romans. Democracy,

1071
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: clean water for drinking, and slavery all contribute from more

1072
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: than society. Crickets. I was like, fuck every one of you.

1073
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: You all have a smartphone in your pocket. Don't tell

1074
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: me you're not complicit. Fuck you Melbourne were less felt.

1075
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: Hats since you've done this bit already.

1076
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1077
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: The other night how to Go, So that's dead and

1078
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: I've got off a moment. You've got everyone he's got

1079
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: a focus smartphone and fuck you, don't pretend you're not

1080
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: you're a We're all okay.

1081
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: I gotta be completely honest. I reckon, do people come

1082
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: to the show knowing how do they know you?

1083
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't know that's a good joke.

1084
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 3: I would wonder whether it's like they're like.

1085
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: Oh, he's that he's a nice guy who doesn't make

1086
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: these jokes on The Bachelor.

1087
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: Nah, they know what they get in and they.

1088
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: I don't know last year, like we were at malt

1089
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: House last year in the bigger room. Last year's more

1090
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: than I was like, who listens to podcast? Two people

1091
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 3: who watches the show?

1092
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: Two people go to Yeah, yeah, this is kind of

1093
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: like this reminds me of me coming out of the

1094
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: jungle when I'm a celebrity. So a lot of people

1095
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: like I suddenly had a big spike in ticket sales

1096
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: that year, and they were like, oh this, let's go

1097
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: see that the lovely young Chap from the show.

1098
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: You know, he's really family friendly.

1099
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: And then they came and I was just doing all

1100
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: sorts of jokes and they were like what the Like

1101
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: then I realized I've got to warm them up in

1102
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: the first five minutes and go, hey, guy, you might

1103
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: have seen me here, and sort of just manage their expectations.

1104
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: So then there's suddenly like, oh, okay, all right, now

1105
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: we're ready.

1106
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: But it was like a bit of a I always

1107
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: felt like that they were very shocked at the start

1108
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: of the show.

1109
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I threatened people's I was fine. I thoroughly,

1110
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoyed this.

1111
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I think then therefore you're made to be a commute.

1112
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: You're like you're a stand up. Maybe I'll try it.

1113
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: Is look, I've seen Luke. I've known Luke a long time, and.

1114
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: I'm at a point of my career where like, oh,

1115
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: maybe I need to find a way to work with

1116
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: that gatekeepers or work with that permission of someone else society.

1117
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 3: And I like the idea of like, if you want

1118
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 3: to work, you can work. You have to put the

1119
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: work in. Yeah, and you've got to know nurture your

1120
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: audience and make sure that you deliver expectations. But if

1121
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: you if you stump up and go, I'll pay for

1122
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: the room.

1123
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 4: Go great.

1124
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1125
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: It was one of the things like I always look

1126
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: at actors and even presenters and go bladody, hell, that

1127
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: would be stressful, Like you're constantly waiting for someone else

1128
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: to give you a gig as opposed to being to

1129
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: create yourself. Not to say that that's not a huge talent,

1130
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: but like I can't do what actors and presenters of

1131
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like, but if I wasn't able to

1132
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: write my own stuff, I would be I'd feel suffocated.

1133
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: You know, I'd be like, oh shit, what do I do?

1134
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: How do you you just wait? I just wouldn't how

1135
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: to wait, so.

1136
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: To do it myself when it comes to when it

1137
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: comes to writing, there's that line in music You've got

1138
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: your whole life throughout your first album and six months

1139
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 3: through your second, you.

1140
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: Know, considering what's going on in the world.

1141
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: Like do you like, how do you feed your subconscious

1142
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 3: between writing your hour?

1143
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: It's constant, Like it's just at all times. I think

1144
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: we're sad is that you never really get to turn off,

1145
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: like the writing process. It's just my phone is just

1146
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: full of just notes. You can go a year without

1147
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: without performing a new joke. But that doesn't mean that

1148
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: like you're not constantly like seeing things or thinking about

1149
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: things or stressing.

1150
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: About a bit.

1151
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like everyone's got a different style. But

1152
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just constant.

1153
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: As soon as you realize that you're going to be

1154
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: doing more, as soon as you realize stand up is

1155
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: the thing that you're going to be doing in your future,

1156
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: at some point everything becomes stand up around you and

1157
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: everything you see or any argument you have or anything

1158
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: that confuses you or again, everyone's got their own style

1159
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: of writing or their own sense of hum about I

1160
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: can't but look around and always be like, is that

1161
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: a bit? Could I change his name so he doesn't

1162
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: know it's about him?

1163
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's always do you when you're having a disagreement,

1164
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: for example, with a partner, do you get in trouble

1165
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: for going into stand up voice? Oh?

1166
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 2: Gosh, I probably annoy my wife.

1167
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: You know what, when I'm angry, people don't know that

1168
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm actually angry a lot of the time because I

1169
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: just get kind of say, kind of stic and they

1170
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: just think I'm just being funny. But that's actually how

1171
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: I am angry, And so I think maybe sometimes when

1172
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm on stage, it's probably probably.

1173
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: Sounds the same. So yeah, maybe maybe people just think

1174
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: I'm always joking.

1175
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: With I get a try.

1176
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: I get a try for using presenter voice, or really

1177
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: is don't you fucking sound? Because I talk it sound

1178
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: byes when I get when I get upset, I get

1179
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: talking sound like how do you have a I don't know.

1180
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 3: I just because because I've just done that for so long,

1181
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 3: I create like that's a twelve second You're.

1182
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Like an American Americans just talking sound like it's extraordinary.

1183
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: It's so good for TV.

1184
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 3: I was there for about ten years. It's a fucking

1185
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: wild country.

1186
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 2: Like the vox pops and stuff on the street.

1187
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: If you just put a microphone at any American, they'll

1188
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: give you a clear.

1189
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 4: Of most of them.

1190
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them been really failed by their public health,

1191
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: public education system, quite significantly failed by the public education.

1192
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: It's a then they go viral for like the other reasons,

1193
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: Like that guy was like, they're wrapping everybody.

1194
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: I went they auto tuned it.

1195
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: Anyway, but oh, the the auto tune guy was really good.

1196
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: I missed those guys. They were they were they were

1197
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 3: pretty fun.

1198
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: They're full on though that.

1199
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you're when you're at a festival like this,

1200
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: do you I find sometimes engaging with comedians who are

1201
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: ideologically different from me. It is an easier way for

1202
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: me to get around ideas Otherwise be around. Do you

1203
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: find yourself like I'm just gonna check this person out?

1204
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: I might not.

1205
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean that basically means that any comedian I see

1206
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: is probably idea like that.

1207
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, there's not many more.

1208
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: But also I would say generally we're all fairly left leaning,

1209
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: though there are some comedians who I think are kind

1210
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: of conservative politically, but I like seeing every style of comedy,

1211
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: Like you know, Luke, hegen very different to me, but

1212
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: like I'm a massive fan.

1213
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: I would love to see your comedy, like.

1214
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always interested in like just all the

1215
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: different styles, like I find funding. Like I'm a big

1216
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: fan of comedy. And I laugh pretty easily, not because

1217
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm forced my stuff, but so yeah.

1218
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: Damn, I thought of getting all those big laughs out

1219
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: of you nailing it's always funny.

1220
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: I'll laugh like you know, but not like I don't

1221
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: like do the fake laughs. You know, Comedians are like,

1222
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've got to see my friend. If something's funny,

1223
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: like I will verbalize it, like I hate performing two comedians.

1224
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: Having said that, because comedians watch with their brains and

1225
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: they don't laugh with their mouth.

1226
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: Like just like freaking let me hear it. So I'll

1227
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: just go back into the back seat, get out of here,

1228
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: my face.

1229
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: There was a kid at Heggy show and we went

1230
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: to go see him last night, had the night off,

1231
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: and he was in front of us. Heggy's demo is

1232
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: kind of different these days, got kind of parents, parents

1233
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 3: bringing there, you know, kids in their twenties send them.

1234
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: To hard enough.

1235
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: Oh okay, kid, you know, maybe a.

1236
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: Bit of that because the younger of the two boys

1237
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 3: just sat there second row just really dared face the

1238
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: whole time and the time before that. When I go

1239
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: saw his last show, I'm sat there and there's this

1240
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: kid next to me, he's maybe twenty two, twenty three,

1241
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: and he's there with his mate, and I'm you know,

1242
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: I laugh like you. I've never seen anyone laugh like

1243
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: that at comedy. Where do you watch it?

1244
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 4: You sit on your phone and just go ah, like the.

1245
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: Kids, Yeah, do you actually have you never been out

1246
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: of public and to laugh out?

1247
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so true. Like I actually think,

1248
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, this is this conversation home makes

1249
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: us old.

1250
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, I find fifty.

1251
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: I am, I'm nearly, I'm nearly. I'm coming onto fort

1252
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm thirty nine soon.

1253
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: Mate, you will look this good when you're my This

1254
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 3: is but yeah, but it's a problem. It's a fucking

1255
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: Anglo skin. Now.

1256
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: This is what happens with the TV. You've got the TV.

1257
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Something's going on. They give you something and I stopped drinking.

1258
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: They give whose blood do they give?

1259
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: I never smoked cigarettes. Really six weeks. I played in

1260
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: a country band. It smokes soft packst dive is throughout

1261
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 3: six weeks.

1262
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it's the vegan thing or silly.

1263
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: Maybe I think it's more of the drinking thing, right,

1264
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: not drinking.

1265
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 4: It's good for you.

1266
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: Muslims look so good. Maybe I don't know, but yeah,

1267
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 3: that's the skins a partner.

1268
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, there comes an age when, like with Asians,

1269
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: they look great until very like maybe seventy seven, and

1270
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: then suddenly real old with us, like we look great, brother,

1271
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: and then suddenly gut and then like just just this waddle.

1272
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: You guys kind of like you sort of age gently

1273
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: though white people. I feel like at about your age,

1274
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 1: you're going to start getting the wrinkles and me start

1275
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: I've got cabins in my head. I was around my

1276
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: brothers the other day for the first time in a while.

1277
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I was like, jeez, I look the most haggard out

1278
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: of all, even the one that's older than me. You're

1279
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: going to start looking like a racist, you know, like

1280
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: old white people often, but I think you're going to

1281
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: change the perception of the old white.

1282
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: I'm not about to go I mean, I used to

1283
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: drive Kingswoods, I don't anymore.

1284
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: Oh, Kingswoods.

1285
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: They're beautiful cars, unfortunately driven by and then I bought it.

1286
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 4: I bought a Japanese car for the first time. I

1287
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 4: was like, oh that just works.

1288
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this Japanese ever since.

1289
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're reliable. When you go back to Sri Lanka,

1290
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: you had you had like do people lose their minds

1291
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 3: that they're like, you're the guy?

1292
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a Romeushranger, Nathan if you

1293
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: know from he's the guy, He's he's anyway, I'm glad

1294
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: you don't know.

1295
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: So I'm your guy. I'm there going your mind. But

1296
00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: it's it was very weird.

1297
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: I did comedy for my family over there, like maybe

1298
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: twenty seven a first time, and it was like and

1299
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: the only time actually, and it was this they accorded

1300
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: a comedy concert. There was a press conference for the show.

1301
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: There billboards in my face every and.

1302
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, what the hell is this?

1303
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: Like the feet that they promised me was decent, but

1304
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: I was just thinking it was gonna be a small shit.

1305
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: They had like thousands of people there. Prime Minister and

1306
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: his wife were there front row on these wooden thrones.

1307
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: They had like a marching band in front of me,

1308
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: and I came out on this tiktook so they got

1309
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: your rid that's nice, got my right.

1310
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: Ex, I must be on a TikTok and there's a

1311
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: convoy of talk.

1312
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: And the thing is I hadn't even seen anybody do

1313
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: a joke to the audience, so I was still trying

1314
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: to I was like, I didn't know what they were

1315
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: going to laugh at still because I didn't know what

1316
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: their sensibility. The MC was just talking to them and

1317
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: noone was laughing. So I was like quite stressed on

1318
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: the screen side of stage where these was my face,

1319
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: and I kept flashing the words the Zimi saying stand

1320
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: up comedy has never been so good, so good, so

1321
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a lot of pressure, anyone

1322
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: just freaking calm down. Anyway, I got on stage, see

1323
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and his wife there, and actually the

1324
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: week before Enrique and Glacier said performed in like They're

1325
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: with the Times, and women threw bras at him on stage,

1326
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister said, in the media this is

1327
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: immral behavior. I'm not saying that these people should be beaten,

1328
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: but they should be and then he quoted some ancient

1329
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Hindu Buddhist something saying they should be beaten with poisonous

1330
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: sting ray eels.

1331
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: Anyway, sort of made news and.

1332
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: Then there was a military on so I walked out,

1333
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: I remember that, and I see the military line the

1334
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: walls of the room there they had their rifles, you know.

1335
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, hey guys, oh the Prime

1336
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: Minister in the way everybody enjoyed the show, please, you know,

1337
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: don't throw anything at me on stage. And everyone was

1338
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: just like, I said, especially don't throw your bras. And

1339
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: then I said to the Prime Minister's wife, but you

1340
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: can throw whatever you like.

1341
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: And I was honestly just ripping anyway. Everybody just like

1342
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: was like, what the hell is he saying?

1343
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, what's coming out of my mouth?

1344
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: And the army dudes were like what the And then

1345
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: the camera was on her face and then she sort

1346
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,959
Speaker 1: of started laughing, and as soon as she started laughing,

1347
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: everyone was like, so the.

1348
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: Whole thing anyway.

1349
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: So my family were there and that was like.

1350
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: The introduction to my comedy.

1351
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: They're always trying to figure out, like, what the hell

1352
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: is he doing this comedy thing in Australia, What is

1353
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: why do they leave Sri Lanka for some better life

1354
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: in Australia. This comedy thing, So now they understand, I

1355
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: think until then my mum had described it like he

1356
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: does comedy. He's a stand up comedian and he tells

1357
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: jokes to strangers. So they thought I probably got up

1358
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: to people on the street with a clipboard, you know,

1359
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: like you know, just like a joke busker one on one.

1360
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, they get it now.

1361
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: As you're knowingly making your taundra that the promise's wife

1362
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,919
Speaker 3: is going to throw underpants at you, is your brain

1363
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 3: going a's member? They are fifteen. It's all over this

1364
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: place now.

1365
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: It's honestly, you know, Like like my friend I see

1366
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: the comedy in the friend armor for years and he

1367
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: was like, don't stop making jokes about me. I was like,

1368
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: I know, but when things when things are bad or

1369
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: when I'm stressed out, I just say the thing I'm

1370
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: not supposed to say. And if I see you and

1371
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: you've told me not to joke about it, that I'm

1372
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: going to just stay out of my line of sight

1373
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: then seriously.

1374
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: So actually, when when when my.

1375
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: Show's gone bad, I will start talking to somebody or

1376
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: I'll start talking to the tech or someone that doesn't

1377
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: want to be involved in the show.

1378
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, then, so you have a big bit, you.

1379
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: Know, I'll just start doing that, you know, and it

1380
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: just makes the show more awkward. But anyway, that happened

1381
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: to have a punchline with the Prime Minister. But otherwise

1382
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: it can just kind of get more and more awkward.

1383
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: That's me when I'm in a bag gig.

1384
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: But I kind of I kind of like that. You'll

1385
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: still lay yourself to do it because you're confident enough

1386
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: that I can find a way out.

1387
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: It's confident, but it's also just like I think, like

1388
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: for the audience, they think that I'm in control, but

1389
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: in my brain, I'm like, where am I going?

1390
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: That's That's what I was used to say to the kids.

1391
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm back when when we used to do idle. That'd

1392
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: be so nervous. I'm like, they are hungry, they want

1393
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: to go home. They want the next person to walk

1394
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: through the door to be the one who wins the

1395
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 3: whole thing. Your job is to go in there and

1396
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: not prove them wrong. That's it.

1397
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: You've already got them so true. Man, Like when people

1398
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: come and see you, they've already bought the ticket.

1399
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: They're like, have the expectation. It's like the place not

1400
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: saying that you're not funny, but if you're expecting the

1401
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: placebo to work, it will work, you know what.

1402
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: It's actually like You've got your fakers to make it.

1403
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: So you go that you pretend you're confident, the audience

1404
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: thinks you're confident, and then you start to feel more confident.

1405
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 3: That's that's the act as if. Man, it works, it

1406
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: works every time. When you're you're about to be I

1407
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: mean my Audrey and my youngest kid. We've got two,

1408
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 3: the eldest twenty. She's gone surfing with a boyfriend. Like

1409
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: that's when you're twenty. But I'm about to do a

1410
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: week without them. I struggle for two days without seeing

1411
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 3: those guys when you're on the roads.

1412
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, lot of my.

1413
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 3: Life without knowing that kind of connection with another person, right,

1414
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 3: it's my wife with you know kids, when you are away,

1415
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 3: when you're on the road, you're about to take your

1416
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: show on the road around the country, and you're on

1417
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 3: the road for ages.

1418
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, a long time, but I am not as well.

1419
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: Like so I'll go to Sydney for like one or

1420
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: two nights and then I'll come back and I go

1421
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Perth for like one night and then come back.

1422
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: So I do the very short now because I too

1423
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 2: don't like being away from the family.

1424
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: The longest I've been away this year and the longest

1425
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: I tend to be a way once is Adelaide for

1426
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: like maybe a week and then maybe another weekend, just

1427
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's good to work the show

1428
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: up over there high Adelaide.

1429
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: But they know, they know they lay Adelaide. They understand,

1430
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 3: we appreciate it. Yeah, it's like you're you're you're the

1431
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: trial run. But when you're I mean you're already not drinking.

1432
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: It's probably a good way to keep your head straight when.

1433
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 4: You're on the road.

1434
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 3: I've got another the Heroin. I was gonna ask you

1435
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: how you keep your shit together? But can you tell me,

1436
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 3: like what the fuck is going with Melbourne? Man? Like Melbourne,

1437
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 3: I've not seen like just open drugs in the street

1438
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: here like this before. Maybe it's a part of the

1439
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: town we're staying in, but I've come to Melbourne for

1440
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 3: twenty five years. There's like industrial grade nags. I'm talking

1441
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: like two liters what that? So, what's a name by

1442
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,919
Speaker 3: the way, Nico's oxide like whippets maybe like humongous fucking

1443
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 3: Nico's oxide names on the street down here. Really yeah,

1444
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: so what some people just they just just in how Yeah,

1445
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: they put it in a balloon and whatever, like and

1446
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: ice fucking everywhere.

1447
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that ice man's feels the scariest form of

1448
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: like a drug drug epidetic what is the health epidemic whatever,

1449
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: But it's like ice is feels seems to bring out

1450
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: the worst in a person.

1451
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: And it changes you for life. Yeah, yeah, it fox

1452
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: up your regular but don't mean shoes.

1453
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, actually, comedy I think also gives you a So

1454
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: this is not the answer to the drug you mentioned.

1455
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 3: You mentioned people. Let me ask you, like you're you

1456
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: have a public flac job. You have had a public

1457
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: flation job for ten years. Yeah, because of the aforementioned

1458
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 3: lumpy carpet of racism that we spoke of earlier. You

1459
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 3: cop a lot, Yeah, you said earlier. You got people

1460
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 3: threatening your death, threats to the fucking DMS man. That's

1461
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 3: hard for anybody to deal with. What You've got kids

1462
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: in a family, How do you what do you do

1463
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: to be resilient? What do you do to make sure

1464
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: you never you, because I'm sure if you get tired

1465
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 3: of you get low, you might go, oh fuck, it's

1466
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: not worth it. How do you stay in front of that?

1467
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: You know what It's like If I felt again I

1468
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: was alone in this, then it would feel very personal

1469
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: and I would feel like it would really get me down.

1470
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: But so I actually fine doing comedy and almost talking

1471
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:28,959
Speaker 1: about it's cathartic, like because I don't mean to remember

1472
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: people who like are laughing and get it and are

1473
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: on side and make me feel normal. Also just hanging

1474
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: out with friends, yeah, and kind of just ranting shit,

1475
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: like having good friends being able to round about this

1476
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But also like for me it's probably

1477
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: not I do worry about the serious nature of them

1478
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: nowadays because I'm a dad, but for years haven't really

1479
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: taken it seriously. Like again, I've had so many of these.

1480
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: My manager has routinely just gotten used to just seeing

1481
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: them and deleting them or not even these because it's

1482
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: like so many. Like one time ages ago, me and

1483
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: my friend I'm we had a guy threatened to shoot

1484
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: us on stage, like while we're performing, and so we

1485
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: went on a trip to j with the doctor back

1486
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: in the day and I was just jokeing. I was

1487
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: just joking about it, like this guy look at his

1488
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: profile anyway. Then my manager as soon as she's like,

1489
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: why are.

1490
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: You joking about that? This is this is this is

1491
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: a real threat.

1492
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: Now you've kind of like encourage other people to think

1493
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: that this is acceptable, maybe they might. So then we

1494
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: had to inform the new South Plase where she then

1495
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: hired a security guard fought like a bodyguard for that show.

1496
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: And that guy, his name was, his name's Dragon. Great

1497
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: guy took his job very seriously. This big like the

1498
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: croatian kind of Jamaican dudes.

1499
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 3: Oh wow, like you had these big dreads. Wow.

1500
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: So like when we were backstage at the Factory theater,

1501
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: we were like peeking on the audience, just having to

1502
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: look at what they look like. And then Dragon has

1503
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: gone up to people just like seriously just going making

1504
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: eyes with them, and he saw these like a couple

1505
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: of Aussie dudes. We're like just having beers and in

1506
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: his mind as all these these look like they're kind

1507
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: of racists until he goes up to them and he's like,

1508
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: we're going to have a good time tonight, right, and he.

1509
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 3: Just freaked the ship out.

1510
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: People like what are you doing, man, You're taking your job.

1511
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 3: But he was like, you know, he was looking after us.

1512
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: Afterwards, he was patting down everybody that wanted to meet us,

1513
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: and even friend like we felt like rock stars for

1514
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: a night.

1515
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: But you know, again, my instinct is a joke about things.

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Speaker 2: I once got a handwritten letter.

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Speaker 1: It was a handwritten or was it like handwritten to

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Speaker 1: SBS some guy against a death threat, pretending to be

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Speaker 1: saying he's from the common cherers. But then we researched

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Speaker 1: common chairs are pretty multicultural, that they're not white supremaist,

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Speaker 1: and we got in touch with someone from the Common

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Speaker 1: Chairs and they said, now, this goes completely against the

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Speaker 1: ethics and ethos. We if you like, we could do

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Speaker 1: a joint press release or press statement like saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: this sort of racism is not belonging our game. We

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Speaker 1: were going to do it, but then like, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's also encouraging it. But for me, again, my instinct

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Speaker 1: is to go comedy with it, you know, so it's

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Speaker 1: it does It does feel personal, only because I've got

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Speaker 1: kids now in a family and I don't want any of.

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Speaker 3: That to rub off on them.

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Speaker 1: I've always not that I'm a martyr, but I don't

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Speaker 1: like I like playing with it, and so yeah, I

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Speaker 1: might cop a few sprays strays, but but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: sort of want to shield my family from that. So

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Speaker 1: it's just it's like a balancing act of like receiving it,

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Speaker 1: not tolerating it, but also like not no, not kind

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Speaker 1: of activating them as well. But if it doesn't really

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Speaker 1: affect me as much as you might think, especially because

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: I like on stage, it's a massive release when you

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01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: can joke about it, like I've always felt that that

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01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: is a good way to own it, like to just

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Speaker 1: talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate your coming today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, thanks man, Thanks Bro. And that was Nazim Hussey

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Speaker 3: and you can check out his live show. It's called

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Speaker 4: I'll put it in the show notes. I'm back here

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