Speaker 1: Trevor Ronald Handy. Welcome to the You Project, Raggie.
Speaker 2: Thanks mate, so good to be on with you, bro.
Speaker 2: We just had a wonderful podcast together last week, didn't
Speaker 2: we where you came on the Future Lab podcast that
Speaker 2: we're putting together hasn't launched just yet, but it was
Speaker 2: so beautiful. Just to reconnect with you and to cracking
Speaker 2: a bit deeper with each other was really cool, mate,
Speaker 2: some stoked to be on yours.
Speaker 1: Well, mate, it's mutual. I loved it.
Speaker 3: I loved you and I met one hundred years ago
Speaker 3: for a minute, but we haven't seen each other for
Speaker 3: a long time. I feel like in some ways we're
Speaker 3: really different. In some ways, we're kind of almost twins.
Speaker 3: And of course, the lovely Denise Denise Vaness, who is
Speaker 3: your co host on the Future Lab, which is going
Speaker 3: to be launched soon, so keep your ears and eyes
Speaker 3: out for that everyone.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really enjoyed you know what.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed sitting down and we spoke for nearly two
Speaker 3: hours last week. And you know, time, when you're in
Speaker 3: the middle of something really good, time evaporates, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: It's like it's such a slippery construct. It's just I
Speaker 3: thought we'd been talking for forty minutes, and it was
Speaker 3: nearly an hour and fifty.
Speaker 2: You know, and absolutely, And I think time evaporates when
Speaker 2: you're doing something good and also when there's connection. You know,
Speaker 2: So as soon as we connect, I think all of
Speaker 2: the good, bad, right, wrong, you know, win, lose, success, failure,
Speaker 2: all the bullshit sort of four D sort of stuff
Speaker 2: just evaporates. And it's just a journey through exploring you know,
Speaker 2: feelings and thoughts and conversations, and you know, it looks
Speaker 2: just a little I suppose little bits of intuition and
Speaker 2: inspiration that we're popping up in the conversation. And I
Speaker 2: get that feeling a lot when I run breath retreats
Speaker 2: or I work with people. Time just disappears whenever there's connection.
Speaker 2: And I think connection trump's time, you know, it actually
Speaker 2: basically makes it. You know, time is the slave of
Speaker 2: connection or the other way around, you know. So I
Speaker 2: think that's probably one of the mistakes we make. As
Speaker 2: soon as we actually have a desire to connect with someone,
Speaker 2: everything else disappears, including any feeling shit about ourselves or whatever,
Speaker 2: because it's something Connection is a very powerful healer, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we spoke. I mean, among other things, last week
Speaker 3: we spoke. We spoke about living consciously and stepping out
Speaker 3: of the autopilotness of our existence. Like it's very easy
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four with you know, KPIs and to
Speaker 3: do lists and boxes to tick and teas to cross
Speaker 3: and eyes to dit and shit to get done and
Speaker 3: schedules and accountability and processes and fucking winning and posting,
Speaker 3: and it's very easy to look up and you go,
Speaker 3: it's twenty twenty six now, and I've basically been in
Speaker 3: groundhog Day for the last year or two or three,
Speaker 3: and we're always you know, there's things we're always intending
Speaker 3: to do, but we don't do those things. How do
Speaker 3: we open the door on, you know, being a little
Speaker 3: bit more aware and a little bit more conscious day
Speaker 3: to day rather than the unconscious kind of autopilot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. Look, I know you do a great
Speaker 2: job of helping people with this too. But from my
Speaker 2: perspective and what I've learned is well, firstly, I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of like two main versions of myself. There's
Speaker 2: the version of myself that is wrapped up in the
Speaker 2: mind and the construct of the world, and the need
Speaker 2: to succeed and perform and prove and get ahead and
Speaker 2: stay on top and stay in front and stay relevant.
Speaker 2: And you know, have something special about me to be needed,
Speaker 2: to be required to be, you know, to stand out
Speaker 2: in some way, shape or form, you know, And that
Speaker 2: version of myself is rooted in fear and insecurity that
Speaker 2: if I'm not relevant, you know that the only way
Speaker 2: to succeed in this world is to stay in front
Speaker 2: of the pack. You know. It's not hard to take
Speaker 2: me from there back to racing. When I'm racing in
Speaker 2: a pack full of people, that is an iron man
Speaker 2: in the ocean, you know, And you've got to stay
Speaker 2: in front of the pack. And the one who wins
Speaker 2: the race gets the prize money, but he gets the sponsors,
Speaker 2: and he gets the girl probably you know, at the party.
Speaker 2: He gets the free drink yard and gets the respect
Speaker 2: and gets the title next to his name and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So even though that feels like
Speaker 2: a past life, as I've sort of transferred into helping
Speaker 2: people more and being more of service, I'm still completing
Speaker 2: this process of I suppose breaking down or dissolving the
Speaker 2: old or the original ego that needed to be in
Speaker 2: front needed to prove, need to perform, need to be
Speaker 2: on top of you know. And so I think that
Speaker 2: part of me, as I said, fear in insecurity. It
Speaker 2: operates on the belief that the universe life itself. If
Speaker 2: you're religious, you might say, God, you know whatever it is,
Speaker 2: that life itself is not that friendly. I've got to
Speaker 2: go out there and get it myself. And I've got
Speaker 2: a there's only a fair share, or you know, there's
Speaker 2: only a certain amount of resources, and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: in a competition for them, whether it's love, whether it's money,
Speaker 2: whether it's respect, whether it's speaking jobs, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think I have to be for
Speaker 2: that self to stay alive. Moment to moment. I have
Speaker 2: to believe that I'm not enough the way I am,
Speaker 2: and I've got to be more than myself, and that
Speaker 2: life itself is not enough, that it doesn't have the
Speaker 2: answers for me. And I know there's an old Christian
Speaker 2: saying like asking you shall receive, you know, And I'm
Speaker 2: not religious, but I'm fascinated by the beautiful people that
Speaker 2: have walked before us, whether it's Christ or or whoever
Speaker 2: it may be, and they what they said and certainly
Speaker 2: how it was misconstrued and wrapped into a control mechanism,
Speaker 2: But the beauty of what they said, asking yourself shall
Speaker 2: receive has been something I've been really practicing lately, because
Speaker 2: when I ask and I say okay, I usually use
Speaker 2: the words universal life, I say, sometimes I say angels.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll say beautiful many, you know, if I'm really
Speaker 2: need of some emotional help, but I'll say, okay, can
Speaker 2: you help me? Can you help me make my day
Speaker 2: effortless today? Can you help me line everything up so
Speaker 2: everybody comes at me right when I'm available? You know?
Speaker 2: Can you help me enjoy this and see the fun
Speaker 2: and the beauty and the whole thing. It's even as
Speaker 2: simple as that, you know. And then it might be
Speaker 2: can you help me with the financial resources? Look, I
Speaker 2: really want to go on that holiday. Can you help
Speaker 2: me free my calendar up. I actually found myself in
Speaker 2: the last five or six years, Craig, asking questions like
Speaker 2: that more and more often. And I'm fascinated to report
Speaker 2: that whenever I ask and I'm open to receiving, it
Speaker 2: works out in miraculous ways. So this old self that
Speaker 2: existed for a long time exists in the belief that
Speaker 2: that's not possible, that's not available. Got to fight for
Speaker 2: what you get and someone else is fighting for it too,
Speaker 2: and it's you versus then, And so that's the underpinnings
Speaker 2: of the belief of this other me. And then the
Speaker 2: other part of it is when I'm in that other
Speaker 2: me far out mate, I'm exhausted, I'm fried, I'm rattled,
Speaker 2: I'm not happy, I'm not myself, I'm not who I
Speaker 2: really want to be. I'm not attentive, I'm not caring,
Speaker 2: I'm not listening, I'm not functioning at the highest level.
Speaker 2: There's certainly no magic around me or it's very limited.
Speaker 2: And so not only does it not work for me,
Speaker 2: you know, moment to moment, it's like a trap. It's
Speaker 2: like a trap the belief that I'm not enough the
Speaker 2: way I am, and the world will not give me
Speaker 2: whatever I need to help me through this scenario, not
Speaker 2: what I want, but what I need. And so as
Speaker 2: I've began to shake that, it's like I started, and
Speaker 2: for those that are listening not watching, I started with
Speaker 2: this much of that self, that fearful, separate itself, separate
Speaker 2: from life, that needed to compete to survive and be relevant,
Speaker 2: and I had this much as an adult that was
Speaker 2: beginning to become aware of this too much, which is
Speaker 2: a tiny circle of beingness. And every time I've challenged
Speaker 2: the old self and this bigger circle that I'm holding of,
Speaker 2: the old self has shrunk down in its capacity to
Speaker 2: convince me that I'm smaller and on nothing and I
Speaker 2: need to be desperate. Every time it shrinks down, it's
Speaker 2: I'm actually taking energy out of that realm or reality
Speaker 2: or dimension of this old self, and it's feeding back
Speaker 2: into this other smaller circle that's expanding, which is my buingness.
Speaker 2: And it turns out my binginess is much bigger, my
Speaker 2: simple gentleness is much bigger my timelessness. You know, we
Speaker 2: talked about connection Trump's time. You know that that's much
Speaker 2: bigger than this little self. But this little self made
Speaker 2: itself out to be so big. It's beliefs were so
Speaker 2: dramatic and all of the fdence that you've got. But
Speaker 2: I've got kids and I'm mortgage in the house, and no, no,
Speaker 2: you know, can I stare on this one?
Speaker 3: Mate?
Speaker 2: You know? You know, no fuck is going to help me,
Speaker 2: you know, like I've got I'm on my own, So
Speaker 2: it's big and dramatic, but it's actually just operates in
Speaker 2: the belief that I'm not enough the way I am,
Speaker 2: and life wouldn't help me with what I really really
Speaker 2: want to need. So that the two selves have been
Speaker 2: an interesting thing where there's that old saying the white
Speaker 2: Wolf and the Black Wolf and they're in a fight
Speaker 2: to the death, and well, how do you know which ones? Everyone?
Speaker 2: Every man a woman's got the white wolf and the
Speaker 2: black wolf inside of them, and how do you know
Speaker 2: which is going to win? What's the one you feed?
Speaker 2: So the more that I've gone, every time I rush
Speaker 2: or I get busy, I get out of the moment
Speaker 2: I go. I can feel myself going rattling. I can
Speaker 2: feel myself getting agitated. I feel myself needing an answer
Speaker 2: from the next person, or needing, you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: is I need, and if I don't get it, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I'm like far out. It's getting
Speaker 2: becoming so obvious that I can't be attached to anything.
Speaker 2: I can still want and need things and like them,
Speaker 2: but when I'm attached to it like a high need,
Speaker 2: I'm gone. I can't expect anybody to operate anything other
Speaker 2: than their current level of consciousness. And they might have
Speaker 2: been my beautiful best mate yesterday, but they're stressed today,
Speaker 2: and then there's not listening to me at all. So,
Speaker 2: you know, could be my partner, could be myself. You know.
Speaker 2: So I can't expect anything because expectation just destroys you.
Speaker 2: I can't put significance on things. I've got to have
Speaker 2: that open because that's basically significance is basically a limitation
Speaker 2: in disguise. So it means I'm carrying the limitation. Then
Speaker 2: unless I get that, I'm going to be in trouble.
Speaker 2: This is not going to work. And so those are
Speaker 2: a great teacher I once work with. He put those
Speaker 2: four things together, significance, attachment, limitation, expectation, and it spells
Speaker 2: sale and you sold. Yeah, puts those four things and
Speaker 2: he basically said they're the most dominant, predominant hooks that
Speaker 2: hook us back into out of the now, into the
Speaker 2: past and future, good and bad, right and wrong, win
Speaker 2: and lose, success and failure. Richard, poor, fat and skinny,
Speaker 2: dumb and smart, slow and fast. You know which is
Speaker 2: ultimately it's good enough, not good enough, acceptable, unacceptable. And
Speaker 2: I'm happier on abby, you know, it's a present or
Speaker 2: not present, I'm desperate or not you know, So those
Speaker 2: four things is you know, when you ask me, how
Speaker 2: do we stay present in this moment? I teach what
Speaker 2: I most need to learn, and I'm finding the more
Speaker 2: I teach it, the more I do learn it, so
Speaker 2: it's not all don't teach it till I've learned it. Fully,
Speaker 2: the more it's reflected back to me in different forms,
Speaker 2: the way other people are staying in the desperation, the
Speaker 2: more I get to see it in myself, and so
Speaker 2: what I'm discovering Ultimately, the long answer to this question
Speaker 2: is the more I'm in service to the moment, in
Speaker 2: service to the part of me that wants to be
Speaker 2: in service to others, you know, which is also means
Speaker 2: in service to the moment. It's not about building an
Speaker 2: ego that I help other people, because that's that's the
Speaker 2: same bullshit in disguise. It's more about, oh, we can
Speaker 2: all win at the same time if somebody in the
Speaker 2: conversation is present, you know, so presence being in the now, research,
Speaker 2: looking in and going and the now right now? Am
Speaker 2: I in the self? Am I trying to serve myself?
Speaker 2: Is this something I want? And if there is, it
Speaker 2: has to be totally okay for me to see it. Not,
Speaker 2: you know, that's wrong. I'm in service to the self.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, what part of that, what part of
Speaker 2: me is still believing I can get something from this
Speaker 2: person rather than I can give or share something with
Speaker 2: this person where there's a win win, rather than you know,
Speaker 2: that's going to serve me. And if you serve me,
Speaker 2: I'll give you my full attention. But if you're not
Speaker 2: serving me, I'll dismiss you. You know, the person at
Speaker 2: the bus stop, the person in the shop. So slightly
Speaker 2: but surely, I'm moving as the biggert circle, the bigger
Speaker 2: presence circle, and not what is now becoming the little
Speaker 2: self which was once the big circle. You know. So
Speaker 2: I'm finding That's the way I deal with twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four is I ask myself, do I need to make
Speaker 2: myself relevant today? Do I need to post that? If
Speaker 2: I post that, will I lose my presence to gain
Speaker 2: some future reward? And I'm beginning to go more and
Speaker 2: more going I caut screw it. I'm not posting anything.
Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm going to share. And I've just had
Speaker 2: a beautiful session with someone. I'm going to walk downstairs
Speaker 2: and be with my family, or I'm going to sit
Speaker 2: on the belcon, I'm going to walk to the beach,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to expand my true self, not my
Speaker 2: little self. And I don't know, I still find it
Speaker 2: a challenge. I'm in the midst of it. I think
Speaker 2: i'm past the halfway point because it's easier for me
Speaker 2: to do now. But I'm grateful to report that. But
Speaker 2: I love what happens when I'm not in the me,
Speaker 2: you know, when I'm in when i'm in the ass,
Speaker 2: when i'm when i'm seeing people as we're all we're
Speaker 2: all more connected than we are separate.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's thanks man, that's beautiful. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's like one of the challenges.
Speaker 3: You know, you you know, asking you to receive your lot.
Speaker 3: You quoted. I think that's in Matthew. I think in
Speaker 3: one of the gospels, but you spoke before about that,
Speaker 3: and and there's also in the New Testament talks about
Speaker 3: this idea of being in the world but not of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 2: Right. I love that one. I love it, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, and and and I think that's the you know,
Speaker 3: in all those cliches, and you know, I'm a like
Speaker 3: having a human, having a spiritual spirit, having a physical experience,
Speaker 3: and all of those things. And I get yes, yes,
Speaker 3: And I think the duality of the duality of the
Speaker 3: human experience man is like, Yeah, you've got to you know,
Speaker 3: you've got to pay the bills, you've got to stop
Speaker 3: at the traffic lights. You've got to pay the rent
Speaker 3: or pay the mortgage or whatever it is. You got
Speaker 3: to talk to people. You've got to talk to fucking
Speaker 3: harps on a podcast. You've got to get your shit ready.
Speaker 3: You've got to be on time. You've got to think clearly.
Speaker 3: Me too, And so there's all the practical requirements of
Speaker 3: requirements of being a human. But at the same time, yeah,
Speaker 3: we want to open the door to the other. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like that the other in, but not of you know,
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 2: What is this? How do I be?
Speaker 3: And we spoke the other day about how sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: I show up. I'm sure you do the same. I
Speaker 3: show up and I do a talk or a workshop
Speaker 3: with a company, and it's all very cerebral and cognitive
Speaker 3: and skill and I do a pretty good good job.
Speaker 3: But it's all me and then there's times when I
Speaker 3: do a different preparation and it's a bit more you know,
Speaker 3: a bit of a for want of a better term,
Speaker 3: a prayer or a meditation, and it's like something's coming
Speaker 3: through me, not from me, and it's like I'm not
Speaker 3: the answer at all. I'm just opening the door to
Speaker 3: the answer. I'm just a contu to the answer, you know.
Speaker 3: And that kind of when you can like truly not
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all good to get on podcasts and
Speaker 3: do stuff where everyone talks deep and philosophically, and it's
Speaker 3: almost like I think sometimes a pr exercise, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure I've done that myself, but when you can truly
Speaker 3: try to get your head around the idea of being
Speaker 3: something really bigger than you. So I'm just a fucking
Speaker 3: tiny cog in this great, big, gorgeous machine that's trying
Speaker 3: to serve and help, and I don't know for me,
Speaker 3: the more I focus on me, the worst things go.
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, I need to self manage to appoint,
Speaker 3: but it's like the more that I think about me
Speaker 3: and my body and my brand and this, the more
Speaker 3: the like I need to do that to a point,
Speaker 3: but I need to know where the cutoff is because
Speaker 3: if I start to obsess and hyper focus on that,
Speaker 3: now it's all about fucking Craig and Planet Craig, the
Speaker 3: Craig Show, then I become a prick, you know, like
Speaker 3: one of.
Speaker 1: The things that I was thinking about.
Speaker 3: So, you know, member of the Order of Australia, six
Speaker 3: Australian Iron Men Championships, I think, four worlds or something,
Speaker 3: you know, multiple halls of fame, and you know, like
Speaker 3: you were the best. You were the best for quite
Speaker 3: a long time in the world at what you did.
Speaker 3: You're not saying that. I'm saying that, and your record
Speaker 3: says that, which is fucking incredible and a planet of
Speaker 3: eight billion people, I don't know what it was then,
Speaker 3: probably seven point five. But you are the best in
Speaker 3: the world at a thing which is fucking incredible. But
Speaker 3: it's very hard, well, I would imagine it's very hard
Speaker 3: to think about much else, and I would imagine it's
Speaker 3: hard to not have your entire sense of self and
Speaker 3: self worth intertwined with that thing that you are the
Speaker 3: best in the world at.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, Tell.
Speaker 3: Me about that, and tell me about overcoming that, because
Speaker 3: that's not who you are.
Speaker 1: That's just what you were fucking great.
Speaker 2: At Yeah, yeah, wow, so many places to go here, Okay.
Speaker 2: And the funny because it just segues right on from
Speaker 2: the last thing that we spoke about as well, like
Speaker 2: the self. You know, I was thinking about it before
Speaker 2: the podcast is I'm I'm feeling Craig and I are
Speaker 2: really going to chat about letting go of the self today,
Speaker 2: the self, you know, the little me, and we're clearly
Speaker 2: going to revolve around this one for sure, and I
Speaker 2: think it's a really powerful thing. I think. Firstly, before
Speaker 2: I answer that question, I just want to say that
Speaker 2: the one thing I've discovered is that the me, the self,
Speaker 2: the I planet, Craig planet, Trevor planet, whoever, it operates
Speaker 2: under the idea that we're separate, you know. So I
Speaker 2: love viewing God as source, you know, as doesn't have
Speaker 2: that connotation of God. I love seeing it as source
Speaker 2: because it just makes it feel like it's the source
Speaker 2: of everything, you know, source of life. It's the life force,
Speaker 2: you know, and I know that we when we're in
Speaker 2: our clearest moments, we feel like we're sharing the same
Speaker 2: life force. And you're talking about doing your speeches and
Speaker 2: when you're in that almost prayer, meditation or speaking your
Speaker 2: truth rather than your skills. You have this thing that
Speaker 2: happens is almost like that holy spirit or moment. The
Speaker 2: moment comes through or the spirit or and it's something,
Speaker 2: something is transcended and people go, oh my God, and
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, I get it a lot
Speaker 2: where people go, oh my God. You know, you can
Speaker 2: look at six hundred people and six hundred people are crying,
Speaker 2: you know. And so how did we get to this place?
Speaker 2: Not by the story, but by the essence or the
Speaker 2: honesty or the vulnerability or the connectedness that's coming through
Speaker 2: the story. And so something magical happens in that moment,
Speaker 2: you know. And so the I always say that the
Speaker 2: great lie is that we are separate. You could call
Speaker 2: the great lie, the great distortion, the great The truth
Speaker 2: is we share the same life force. We're much more
Speaker 2: like than we are different. And we you know, I
Speaker 2: love eck Tolls thing that your primary purpose in life
Speaker 2: is to know yourself as source, you know, and your
Speaker 2: secondary purpose is to do something with it. As soon
Speaker 2: as you lose your primary purpose while doing your secondary purpose,
Speaker 2: you've got to return to your primary purpose. So you
Speaker 2: know yourself a source and then you're going to try
Speaker 2: and help with your people. But then you start taking
Speaker 2: what you're saying seriously, and you start defending your position,
Speaker 2: and you start trying to promote it and sell it,
Speaker 2: put some gloss on it, and you've actually lost the
Speaker 2: primary purpose, which is know yourself as source to deliver
Speaker 2: this secondary purpose which has help other people with it.
Speaker 2: So that the great revealer, or the great truth revealer
Speaker 2: is is that we are all source, or we are
Speaker 2: all one. So that sounds a bit strange, right for
Speaker 2: a lot of people. A lot of people are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, yes, I'm ready for that. Some people
Speaker 2: are what the hell are you talking about? But I
Speaker 2: know when I stand up and do a talk, I
Speaker 2: noticed that when I started to tell the story about racing.
Speaker 2: So if I told the story in the old days
Speaker 2: about the racing and it showed how special I was,
Speaker 2: and I utilized it to motivate people, afterwards, I would
Speaker 2: feel like I'd done a good job, but I'd feel
Speaker 2: a bit icky on the inside, like a bit like oh,
Speaker 2: I just kind of like I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: like self flatulation, you know, and but everyone to be
Speaker 2: cheering you and clipping and saying what a great story.
Speaker 2: He's a great bloke, he's the guy next door. And
Speaker 2: so the rules of this current planetary situation would say,
Speaker 2: you've done a great job today, you really hit the mark.
Speaker 2: You've inspired my crew. And then I'd noticed that the
Speaker 2: CEO would say that's just what they needed to hear,
Speaker 2: you know, like the CEO is the guy that knows
Speaker 2: everything and that you know, or the leader or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then I so in the world of duality, when
Speaker 2: I started to discover, oh my god, I need to
Speaker 2: not be telling my not needs to be not about
Speaker 2: my story, but you know, opening about who we really are,
Speaker 2: or talking about life itself. And it's like I've gone
Speaker 2: from and the eye man to being a sort of
Speaker 2: a religious figure or a spiritual figure or something else.
Speaker 2: And it was like that was actually quite a duality.
Speaker 2: It seemed like an advancement from the eye man up
Speaker 2: to the spiritual guy, but actually it was just a duality.
Speaker 2: You know, talking about winning from a place of winning
Speaker 2: or talking about spirit from a place of winning. But
Speaker 2: I was still in the place of winning. So I
Speaker 2: started to realize that it's not one or the other.
Speaker 2: So I tell my story a lot, and I say
Speaker 2: to people, look, don't believe anything I say. You have
Speaker 2: all your own answers, But I don't tell a story
Speaker 2: about me. But what I'm hoping is you'll hear a
Speaker 2: story about you. The name states and places are different,
Speaker 2: and the intensities of the different patterns are different. But
Speaker 2: I'm going to boil it down to the bottom line.
Speaker 2: Where I felt insecure in myself as a kid. I
Speaker 2: grew up with great values from a parents that actually
Speaker 2: really sacrifice a lot to give me some great things.
Speaker 2: I took that as a security and a certainty that
Speaker 2: I would always have that. Then I felt a sat
Speaker 2: from that and I had to break out from that.
Speaker 2: But then it went out to the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a story that takes an hour
Speaker 2: and a half often, but I'll give it to you
Speaker 2: in two minutes. Minute and a half is that when out
Speaker 2: of the rest of the world, met all these other
Speaker 2: people who also had the same insecurity. But now it's
Speaker 2: seeing the person who had the strongest ego or persona
Speaker 2: or I had the greatest attributes of a winner seemed
Speaker 2: to control all the insecure people. So he was the
Speaker 2: least insecure on the surface, and we were the most
Speaker 2: insecure around him. So that's the dog eat dog alpha
Speaker 2: world of growing up in a surf club or a
Speaker 2: football club or could be a netball club or you
Speaker 2: know whatever, it is a friend's circle. And so after
Speaker 2: a while, you know, I kind of got you know,
Speaker 2: bad rights of passage where I got sort of flushed
Speaker 2: and initiated and taken through the trials and tribulations of
Speaker 2: being someone in that group you know of dog eat
Speaker 2: dog males. And then I started to see women as
Speaker 2: objects that if you can hook up with that woman,
Speaker 2: that you are more popular or more secure the next day,
Speaker 2: and you know, you've got some credit in the bank
Speaker 2: and that amongst the boys and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So women with one something I feared, but then something
Speaker 2: I had to master so that I could actually get
Speaker 2: a strength because I needed to be able to be
Speaker 2: with a woman or whatever it was. So this is
Speaker 2: some pretty messed up stuff that's starting to go through
Speaker 2: a young man's mind. And then I look at oh,
Speaker 2: the winner of the Australian title, and you know, he
Speaker 2: gets the girl, He gets the last laughs, he even
Speaker 2: got my girlfriend while I was had my back turned.
Speaker 2: You know, he gets all the control he's big, I'm small.
Speaker 2: He gets the last day, he gets to decide when
Speaker 2: we go in and out of the surf. He says
Speaker 2: the funniest things. I say the stupidest things. So after
Speaker 2: a while I'm looking seems to be the winner gets
Speaker 2: all the credit and all the respect and all the power.
Speaker 2: And so I then look at another winner, Dwayne Tires
Speaker 2: in my life, who id lives, used to write me
Speaker 2: postcards from overseas and everything. Is five years older than me.
Speaker 2: He was the world iman champion. So there's a young
Speaker 2: winner that was a year older than me, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to be like him or beat him, to destroy him.
Speaker 2: I'll become like him so I can destroy him. And
Speaker 2: because he's making me feel this way, this is all
Speaker 2: obviously unconscious and starting to ruminate away in my mind.
Speaker 2: But then Dwayne is my positive example of it over there,
Speaker 2: who I love and he seems to respect me and
Speaker 2: see some beauty him. At this stage, I'm fifteen or sixteen,
Speaker 2: never won a race in my life. And then the
Speaker 2: coach of the world champion comes in, Billie Haylock, and
Speaker 2: gives us to set these goals. He does this incredible
Speaker 2: motivational speech, so I feel like he's talking just to me,
Speaker 2: and I put my hand on the pillow like he said,
Speaker 2: and I dream up the goals that you know, I
Speaker 2: would only dream with my head on the pillow, not
Speaker 2: the ones that I think I could achieve. So I
Speaker 2: write this incredible goals out and they're one year, two year,
Speaker 2: five year, ten year, sporting goals, and they're sporting professional
Speaker 2: personal goals. Make more friends, get a girlfriend, get married,
Speaker 2: to have a car, house, million dollars, have a house
Speaker 2: on the water, sports car, win this title when that title,
Speaker 2: win more titles than anybody, you know, be a speaker,
Speaker 2: you know, all this sort of stuff I write down
Speaker 2: as a fifteen sixteen year old has never won anything.
Speaker 2: Fifth out of sixth in my own surf club in
Speaker 2: a junior in the Junior Ironman, the kid had got
Speaker 2: six As my best mate. I talked him into the
Speaker 2: club championships because he couldn't paddle a ski, so I
Speaker 2: wouldn't finished last, you know. And so the cunning you know,
Speaker 2: the cunningness, and I and then this thing trips in
Speaker 2: me where I go, no, I want to be the
Speaker 2: Australian Ironman Child Champion, because he'll get he doesn't. He
Speaker 2: won't be treated like this. He won't have trouble getting
Speaker 2: the girl. He won't. He'll get to call the shots.
Speaker 2: And not only that, this this, these people I'm dealing
Speaker 2: with are so mean and unreasonable. When I become the
Speaker 2: Australian Champion, I will change all the rules and I
Speaker 2: will make it fair for everybody, and I will be
Speaker 2: the guy that looks after everybody. Just just a quick
Speaker 2: you know, the morning I turned turned into the same.
Speaker 3: As you're like the Deli Lama of iron Man. I'm
Speaker 3: just going to fuck it. I'm going to change the culture.
Speaker 2: Jack, the surf club, the culture, all this stuff that's
Speaker 2: going on over there. I'm going to see it over there.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to see it inside of myself. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to see my desire to win and defeat
Speaker 2: everybody else, you know. And so I became the world
Speaker 2: champion in a very short period of time, three years straight,
Speaker 2: and I opened champion in two years, you know, amazing
Speaker 2: experiences and everything else. And I would say that what
Speaker 2: happened was the spirit of my father taking us around
Speaker 2: Australia for two years when I was three to five
Speaker 2: years of age in a caravan and growing up playing
Speaker 2: with indigenous kids, with our First Nations people, and you know,
Speaker 2: learning to swim in the daily river in the Northern
Speaker 2: Territory and finding my way back to the caravan after
Speaker 2: a forty five minute walk in the bush, and you know,
Speaker 2: all of the great values that my mother and father
Speaker 2: and my sister die had instilled in me. I went
Speaker 2: into the surf club under the dog a Dog Doggy
Speaker 2: Dog world, and then I went, I'm going to throw
Speaker 2: all them away because none of them have made me
Speaker 2: safe in this environment. In fact, they've probably set me up.
Speaker 2: You know, my gentleness has become the target on my forehead,
Speaker 2: you know. And so when I walked into the club
Speaker 2: the first day and realized that they were talking about
Speaker 2: me up in the bunk room to flush me and
Speaker 2: initiate me like everybody else had been. But the only
Speaker 2: words I heard is who does he think he is?
Speaker 2: Riding his pink girl's bike around? And I had this
Speaker 2: tough black Melbourne Star bike and I got in a
Speaker 2: car crash with the car destrove my bike and I
Speaker 2: had to ride my sister's bike around, my sister's pink
Speaker 2: girl's bike. But I was so determined to keep training,
Speaker 2: and to get myself to training, I rode the pink
Speaker 2: girl's bike. And then I find out that my friends,
Speaker 2: not so much my friends. I thought it was all
Speaker 2: of them, but it's clearly one of them. And then
Speaker 2: he had his own insecurities and own fears and everything else.
Speaker 2: And I love and appreciate the role he played in
Speaker 2: my life of making me go through these experiences. But
Speaker 2: literally it was an experience of ah, the pink girl's bike.
Speaker 2: So I just thought, anything that looks like a sissy,
Speaker 2: a girl, gentle caring, I've got a tough enough ru this,
Speaker 2: you know, pairing love inside of me. So all the
Speaker 2: beautiful values I have with my mum and dad became
Speaker 2: my enemy, right, But then my connection to my mum
Speaker 2: and dad. So I've got this weird thing I've got
Speaker 2: to do where I've got to be a couple of
Speaker 2: different people. So with mum and dad, I've got to
Speaker 2: be the gentle guy and you know, just answered nicely
Speaker 2: and did it there and be the you know, the
Speaker 2: son that they respected. That he's a nice, gentle guy,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't drink or smoke or swear, you know,
Speaker 2: and he's nice. He's nice to women and everything else.
Speaker 2: And then when I was in this other world, I
Speaker 2: was the player, I was the guy, I was swearing,
Speaker 2: I was carrying on. Eventually I was drinking. I never
Speaker 2: sm never smoked a cigarette in my life, never had
Speaker 2: a path, you know, just for some reason, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I've had half a cup of coffee in my life.
Speaker 2: Is just the way life worked out for me. Never
Speaker 2: a drug person. And but my goodness, when I started
Speaker 2: to go out with these insecurities that I'm not enough,
Speaker 2: even though I'm winning, I've still got the insecurity that
Speaker 2: I'm not enough. And then but now I'm walking in
Speaker 2: as the champ and I'm getting the drink cards. And
Speaker 2: it's not like somebody who's dealing dealing drugs, maybe they're
Speaker 2: the coke dealer or whatever, and they're surrounded by the
Speaker 2: bevy of beauties, you know, because they're handing out the candy.
Speaker 2: And I was like that I'd get the free drink
Speaker 2: card because like Tray, while you're back, you know, the
Speaker 2: Gold Coast boy and growing up in Sevice prols, you
Speaker 2: just won the world told of the Australian Total. The
Speaker 2: uncle Toby's Ray said come on, and then we'd be
Speaker 2: surrounded by people, so you know, the world of temptation
Speaker 2: and the world if you don't have to feel alone anymore,
Speaker 2: you don't have to feel small anymore, you don't have
Speaker 2: to feel like a no one. You're someone now you
Speaker 2: can actually take all the things that you deserve from
Speaker 2: all the hard work you've done. And it's just this
Speaker 2: convincing thing in your mind. So in the end, I
Speaker 2: became the guy or the guys that I wanted to
Speaker 2: be like to beat them so I didn't have to
Speaker 2: be like them. But it sounds insane, but I was
Speaker 2: trying to be like somebody else so I could eventually
Speaker 2: be myself, And of course that didn't work, so I
Speaker 2: ended up with broken relationships and marriages and a body
Speaker 2: that was reflecting that shoulders tender. Notice the way I
Speaker 2: carried myself in races was through aggression and defensiveness, and
Speaker 2: I'd look smiling on the surface but scratch below it.
Speaker 2: I was like, in a win it all cost mentality racing,
Speaker 2: I'd only breathe on one side, so I ended up
Speaker 2: imbalanced and all this other stuff because I'd be like
Speaker 2: I'm going to you know, and I'd default to the
Speaker 2: mail side that has to smash and destroy everybody and
Speaker 2: put them back in their place. And so you know
Speaker 2: what's crazy about all that, Craig, is that I basically
Speaker 2: just described building a house, you know, putting all the
Speaker 2: foundations in place and the structures and the walls and everything.
Speaker 2: And in the end, I've got this room right in
Speaker 2: the middle where no one can get to me. And
Speaker 2: then I got to build a big yard around maybe
Speaker 2: a motor a pick at fence, and put some security
Speaker 2: cameras up. And then I'm going to maybe build some
Speaker 2: land around a long driveway and you know, slightly but
Speaker 2: surely to keep for people further and further away from
Speaker 2: this original little kid that was on the inside. So
Speaker 2: when I I tend to tell that story in a
Speaker 2: minute half but it went into the longer version.
Speaker 1: But when I tell you there's no hurry, mate, no hurry.
Speaker 2: Well good? Where did I tell that story to people?
Speaker 2: And then I talk about, you know, the infidelities and
Speaker 2: the way I lost myself and the way I was
Speaker 2: ended up being two different people that who I am
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that, but what I'd become, no problems, wouldn't
Speaker 2: think twice. In fact, that was what winning was all
Speaker 2: about you know. So in that success and failure thing,
Speaker 2: the little Gentleman was the failure and the dominance covering
Speaker 2: over myself. You know, in a lot of work that
Speaker 2: I do, and this is work is borrowed from someone else,
Speaker 2: it's the front cover. The front cover is the winner,
Speaker 2: the projection to people that I've got it all together.
Speaker 2: The back cover is the insecurity, that the deepest fear
Speaker 2: that people might see that I don't feel worthy, I
Speaker 2: don't feel enough. So you can build a pretty big,
Speaker 2: strong front cover that in some ways it really pushes
Speaker 2: further out from you to push people further away. But
Speaker 2: as it's pushing further out, it pushes closer up against you,
Speaker 2: so there's no room for the real you. In the end,
Speaker 2: the bigger it gets, there's less room for the real
Speaker 2: me to show through. So I wasn't showing through a
Speaker 2: relationship and family and friendships. Even in my relationship with myself,
Speaker 2: like what I would do to care for myself became
Speaker 2: completely misgigstrued. Oh that's caring, having a night out, that's caring,
Speaker 2: giving yourself some time off, you know. So the bigger
Speaker 2: the front cover got, the bigger the back cover was
Speaker 2: as well, because now I had more things to worry
Speaker 2: about that people might see, Oh you did that, no
Speaker 2: one knows, and oh look at you. It's like it's
Speaker 2: almost like the Devil's going, ah, now I've got you
Speaker 2: in the track. You can't ever show anybody, but you
Speaker 2: can still feel good if you went and did it again.
Speaker 2: And it's so it's like this fascinating thing where the
Speaker 2: self became bigger and bigger and bigger until something had
Speaker 2: to give. At first gave in my body, but it
Speaker 2: gave in before that. It gave him my relationships. But
Speaker 2: you can actually just say, oh, that person's not the
Speaker 2: right person or that person, that's not what they're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's not to let a tax in on your own body,
Speaker 2: your own maybe, your own mind, your own mental health.
Speaker 2: You know, because I was in the ocean all the
Speaker 2: time and I was a positive guy. I wasn't attacking
Speaker 2: my mental health as such to operate day to day,
Speaker 2: but certainly emotionally, I was stuck in this place. But
Speaker 2: it was the body that collapsed first. And I went
Speaker 2: to a chiropractic, amazing man, Keith Maitland, and he said
Speaker 2: to me two things. One is that you appear to
Speaker 2: be dairy and tolerant, you know. And I'm thinking, don't
Speaker 2: take chocolate and ice cream often. It's the only thing
Speaker 2: people alive, you know. And then he said, you also
Speaker 2: appear to be angry. You know, you've got some anger
Speaker 2: issues that you suppressed anger. And I'm standing there smiling
Speaker 2: at him, ver seeing him for the first time, this
Speaker 2: guy that I've been recommended to go see. My body's
Speaker 2: all in a collapse mode. He told me you won't
Speaker 2: win another world Your body's telling me you won't win
Speaker 2: another world title unless you resolve a few things. Looks
Speaker 2: like some intolerance is perhaps dairy, and looks that you
Speaker 2: might have some suppressed anger. And I'm standing there smiling
Speaker 2: looking at him, Craig, and I'm at the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm smiling, aren't you. Oh yeah. There's a part of
Speaker 2: me going in the background, like hacting behind me, going
Speaker 2: the fuck is this guy thinking? Is well suppressed anger?
Speaker 2: What I still couldn't get past the fact that he said,
Speaker 2: you won't win another world titler. I'm three times world champion.
Speaker 2: Like it was the first time I became aware that
Speaker 2: I had an ego, because before that, the ego was
Speaker 2: in my face, you know. And this saying came up earlier.
Speaker 2: It was another I think it's another one from the Bible,
Speaker 2: right is I can see the splinter in your eye,
Speaker 2: but I can't see the log in my own, or
Speaker 2: something like that. There's something about yeah.
Speaker 3: Also in the Gospels it says, don't point out the
Speaker 3: splinter in your brother's eye, you know, basically when you've
Speaker 3: got a beam in your own yeah. Another words, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've got enough of your own bullshit with us, you know.
Speaker 2: Yep, And so I had I had the you know.
Speaker 2: The other analogy is the star face. And for those starfish,
Speaker 2: for those that are listening or watching, I've got my
Speaker 2: hand up against my face in the shape of a starfish.
Speaker 2: It's so pressed against that you can't see it. So
Speaker 2: I couldn't see that. I'd become I'd believe my own press.
Speaker 2: I'd become the front cover and the back cover taken over.
Speaker 2: The beingess in me was this tiny little circle that
Speaker 2: I related to earlier. And the ego or who I
Speaker 2: thought I was was this massive big bit. Now was
Speaker 2: the thing. It was the show. I was the show.
Speaker 2: I was the guy, you know, brought ratings, brings, sponsors, oh,
Speaker 2: he walks in and he's got an aura. Well, the
Speaker 2: aura was my beingness being utilized by my ego. You know,
Speaker 2: because in my in my beingness, I have a gentleness
Speaker 2: and a presence when I'm in it. That I do
Speaker 2: know that people go, oh my god, I feel so
Speaker 2: loved by you or supported by you. But the aura
Speaker 2: was being utilized by the ego to go look at
Speaker 2: this being the show. You know. Anyway, I was so
Speaker 2: angry at old Keaty and I couldn't believe it, and
Speaker 2: then I just went I had this moment where I meant,
Speaker 2: mental note to self, too, I do appear to be
Speaker 2: angry about what he said, you.
Speaker 3: Know, no anger issues. I am very fucking angry right now.
Speaker 2: The man with no anger is feeling very violent, like
Speaker 2: I want to puck this guy out.
Speaker 3: You know, the iron Man kills chiropractice kills chiropractice.
Speaker 2: So he later told me, he said, you know those pictures,
Speaker 2: you know where someone's in a hurricane in Florida or
Speaker 2: something and they're holding onto a lamppost and their feet
Speaker 2: are coming off the ground. He said, when I told
Speaker 2: you you had anger issues, he said, it was like
Speaker 2: I held onto the pole, and the energy coming out
Speaker 2: of you made my feet come off the ground, he said.
Speaker 2: He looked at me like I think you are. But
Speaker 2: because that's not functional or social, and I use my
Speaker 2: intelligence to fool myself. I just smiled and nodded, because
Speaker 2: what I thought was what I'd do with everybody at
Speaker 2: that stage, was I'll just get you back later. In fact,
Speaker 2: what I thought was this, how ridiculously stupid the ego is.
Speaker 2: In my own ego, I thought, he said, so if
Speaker 2: you come back tomorrow, I can do some work with you.
Speaker 2: Didn't touch me. I'll just do some work with you,
Speaker 2: and we can begin the journey of rectifying this. And
Speaker 2: my ego said, I'll come back tomorrow, all right, I'll
Speaker 2: come back tomorrow to prove you wrong. So I was
Speaker 2: going to go back and see him, to get fixed
Speaker 2: by him, to prove that I didn't need to be
Speaker 2: fixed by him, and to go win the world title
Speaker 2: with his help, to prove that I wouldn't win the
Speaker 2: world title without his help. And so that's how insane
Speaker 2: that is, right, And I looked fine to the story
Speaker 2: as I drove off down the road and I went
Speaker 2: up over Burley Hill. He was at Palmi and I
Speaker 2: went up over Burle Hill and I'm shaking my shoulder
Speaker 2: and my body. I'm driving the car. I'm thinking, here's
Speaker 2: this guy I think he is. I'm thinking of my manager,
Speaker 2: trying to work out what my managers it's because my
Speaker 2: manager is this and he sent me to him. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just hating on everybody right and I'm I'm grabbing
Speaker 2: everything I can. Ego is just trying to put me
Speaker 2: back in the hole that I was in because Keith
Speaker 2: had pulled the lid off somehow. I didn't know it yet,
Speaker 2: but I drive over Burlie Hill and I'm like, and
Speaker 2: he didn't it? And I go and I'm moving my
Speaker 2: shoulder around like I'm angry. And then I realized I've
Speaker 2: got no pain in either of my shoulders. I've got
Speaker 2: no pain in my hip and no pain in my
Speaker 2: arch because my whole right hand side of my body
Speaker 2: was out of whack, which I'd later understood that's the
Speaker 2: male side of the body, that's the doing side. It
Speaker 2: was all out of whack. It was the yang side,
Speaker 2: and it was not being nurtured for a long long
Speaker 2: time because it was in there just smashing, you know,
Speaker 2: smashing everybody to win. So I I went wow, and
Speaker 2: I'm moving around. I'm like, there was no pain, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no pain. Then I I said to myself,
Speaker 2: but he didn't touch me. But he didn't touch me.
Speaker 2: And this voice that used to come in when I
Speaker 2: raced often as like an intuition. It would say, you
Speaker 2: got to go your own way in the singing voice,
Speaker 2: go your own way, that be in my head. You
Speaker 2: got to go your own way and go out through
Speaker 2: the ocean a different way to everybody else. And that's
Speaker 2: quite symbolic, isn't it. And he said, and this voice goes,
Speaker 2: he told you the truth, clear as day, told you
Speaker 2: the truth. I'm like, and I didn't stop and go
Speaker 2: where's that voice coming from. I just was like, told
Speaker 2: you the truth? And I went what. And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the whole coming down Burly Hill under
Speaker 2: the northern side, all the green trees went bright green.
Speaker 2: Everything went from a two D flat image to a
Speaker 2: three D. There was depth and everything. I went from
Speaker 2: vibration inside of myself to stillness. And I'm driving down
Speaker 2: the hill and I'm observing myself driving, my hands on
Speaker 2: the wheel, and I'm like, what is going on, and
Speaker 2: I felt this beauty and this love and this peace,
Speaker 2: and I'm circulem going along, driving going what did he.
Speaker 3: Do to me?
Speaker 2: You know, like what happened? I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I have to go back tomorrow, you know. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I went back from both. I went back
Speaker 2: from the benus, from the spirit that was fascinated, and
Speaker 2: the ego still went back in the background going at
Speaker 2: some point in time, I still hope to prove him wrong,
Speaker 2: you know, I still have to get one back up
Speaker 2: on him, because it seems like he's won the competition.
Speaker 2: But so I tell parts of that story and whatever
Speaker 2: part relates, and eventually I tell the story how it
Speaker 2: led me to the realization that I was so off
Speaker 2: track that when my son TJ was born, I wasn't
Speaker 2: the man that I really wanted to be. And I
Speaker 2: won't go into that story today, but it was the
Speaker 2: wake up call I needed to see his big brown
Speaker 2: eyes staring back at me. And I just won my
Speaker 2: fourth World iron Man title, and after Keith had said,
Speaker 2: you know you are in another I worked with him
Speaker 2: won the fourth. I won eight out of ten races
Speaker 2: international races that year, international level races got two seconds
Speaker 2: and I won that title. And I crossed the line
Speaker 2: and my goal for my whole iman career is to
Speaker 2: perfect the iron Man race. And I crossed the line
Speaker 2: and I went, oh, my god, I just perfected the race.
Speaker 2: It was the only time I ever felt like I
Speaker 2: perfected the race. And as I went past the cameras
Speaker 2: and the people because they'd moved us to another beach
Speaker 2: from Big Surf and we're in like a harbor and
Speaker 2: I run, beach is pretty short and I go through
Speaker 2: the line and there's nothing. It's right on dark because
Speaker 2: we've been moved, and there's a sheer rock wall in
Speaker 2: front of me. And I was like, you've just perfected
Speaker 2: the race. And then I went, oh, crap, what do
Speaker 2: I do next? And the very next image was a
Speaker 2: sheer rock face and that sheer rock face was so
Speaker 2: sim by Craig. I cannot explain to you my pregnant
Speaker 2: wife that I wasn't truthful with and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I was trying to leave and we'd already broken up, basically,
Speaker 2: I with our second child, you know, with that's Jackie,
Speaker 2: my first wife, and and were married at nineteen. Because
Speaker 2: you know, I was so insecure, we're married, you know,
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. So I was like two
Speaker 2: people through that relationship. But so I'm not being true
Speaker 2: to her, not being true to myself. The rock war
Speaker 2: was like all the lies and the deception. It was
Speaker 2: the slippery rock face that I had to confront and
Speaker 2: deal with. And I'd always had this saying about the
Speaker 2: conditions are always perfect, you know. It's what are they
Speaker 2: perfect for? That perfect for me to do my skills today,
Speaker 2: or my heart rate or my fitness or my trust
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, you know, And it occurred to
Speaker 2: me ultimately the conditions were perfect if I wanted to
Speaker 2: become the man I needed to be for my son
Speaker 2: to be born and have a father that could really
Speaker 2: be like my father, that held values that were strong,
Speaker 2: you know. So it took me down a path of
Speaker 2: four or five years of personal development and looking at
Speaker 2: the shadow and digging all this stuff out, and I
Speaker 2: finally had the impetus. It was like it was like
Speaker 2: no relationship or no no one for whatever reason could
Speaker 2: get me to change this. And then somehow TJ had
Speaker 2: this thing that his big brown eyes made me go,
Speaker 2: enough is enough, and I should have been able to
Speaker 2: do that for Christelle, my first daughter, for anybody else.
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, I needed just one more piece
Speaker 2: of information and one more piece of spirit to said, listen, Asho,
Speaker 2: you have lost your way. You've got to find your
Speaker 2: way home. Like your father taught you, to get back
Speaker 2: to the caravan. You've got to get back to where
Speaker 2: the heart is. And I was presented with opportunities, and
Speaker 2: one of which was my son having this amazing day
Speaker 2: at KINDI that it was Piatet's dat Kindy, and I
Speaker 2: tell the story which I won't go into today, but
Speaker 2: I had to go speak to all these men, you know,
Speaker 2: farmers and sons, and ultimately I realized I had to
Speaker 2: go to Piet's day at Kindy, and I went to
Speaker 2: that pirate's day. And as I sat there, it was
Speaker 2: like my son looking at me, TJ going, Dad, you
Speaker 2: finally chose purpose. You finally chose at the moment you
Speaker 2: stopped training. You're not being the guy. You finally chose
Speaker 2: by choosing me, chose your heart, you know. And this
Speaker 2: whole change occurred. And then he told me, Dad, you've
Speaker 2: got to go. You've got to get your plane. I'm like, mate,
Speaker 2: the plane's going to go another plane's waiting for you,
Speaker 2: and this whole story about it's this incredible serendipity, this
Speaker 2: incredible silver lining. It dropped in and I braced off
Speaker 2: to the airport after being with him and filling his
Speaker 2: cup and him filling my cup. Got to the airport
Speaker 2: and the plane was waiting because it suffered happened, and
Speaker 2: I got as soon as I got on the plane
Speaker 2: that were we're ready to go, and I flew off
Speaker 2: and I got to do all of it and have
Speaker 2: all of it, which goes back to what we talked
Speaker 2: about earlier about being able to have it all that
Speaker 2: the universe is a friendly universe when you put the
Speaker 2: heart first, when you let the heart lead you. The
Speaker 2: heart has the mat to make all the sums add up.
Speaker 2: The brain doesn't have the math does make all the
Speaker 2: sums had out that the heart has a circular math.
Speaker 2: The brain has a linear math that straight line maps,
Speaker 2: and the heart has the feminine mass the circular We're
Speaker 2: all in this together. And so when I tell that story, Craig,
Speaker 2: you know, in its entirety, which is an hour and
Speaker 2: a half and all the bits and pieces, it's more
Speaker 2: often than not that everybody's crying in it because they
Speaker 2: realize that I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about them,
Speaker 2: talking about how hard we've tried to be the thing
Speaker 2: we've needed to be, but how much we've traded off
Speaker 2: who we really are, who we think we need to be,
Speaker 2: to get what we think we need to get so
Speaker 2: we can be ourselves. But we never quite get ourselves.
Speaker 2: We never hear in the moment where we're ourselves, and
Speaker 2: how the people to get swept up in and caught
Speaker 2: up in at most are our children and our loved ones,
Speaker 2: our partner, the people around us, even our workmates and
Speaker 2: everything else. And so the stories actually goes from it's
Speaker 2: a story about me to a story about all of us,
Speaker 2: which means it's a story about great values leading to
Speaker 2: exchanging values for crooked values, to lost and failure into winning,
Speaker 2: into more lost and failure. Because I won from something
Speaker 2: that wasn't from my higher self through to a resurrection
Speaker 2: and a phoenix out of the ashes and through to
Speaker 2: it was always there the whole time. I was just
Speaker 2: listening to the wrong voice, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: find that now I'm not telling a story about myself
Speaker 2: and losing everybody, or telling everybody about the spiritual path
Speaker 2: and losing everybody. I'm telling a story about myself finding that,
Speaker 2: and I end up meeting everybody in that place where
Speaker 2: we can all relate, you know. And there's a saying
Speaker 2: that came to me one time. I've utilized a lot
Speaker 2: in teamwork and everything. I just popped into my head.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it came from, but it is,
Speaker 2: we can travel a lot further over common ground, you know,
Speaker 2: and when we realize we've all got the same stuff,
Speaker 2: the telling of my story can actually release someone else
Speaker 2: from theirs, you know, and then they then they're then
Speaker 2: they feel comfortable to enter into their own story and
Speaker 2: look at it and perceive it because they go what
Speaker 2: you supposedly the winner. You've got all these titles through
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, blah blah blah. You got
Speaker 2: is after your name. You know, you're on Baywatch, you
Speaker 2: hung out with MADONNAE, you met Michael Jackson. You know
Speaker 2: you did it da Dad? You know you you you
Speaker 2: were one of those people you and like, hang on, no,
Speaker 2: you're not, You're me, And it just takes the whole
Speaker 2: thing away. And not only that, by the way that
Speaker 2: I'm a man talking about love and talking about forgiveness
Speaker 2: and talking about resurrection and unconditional love, and that there's
Speaker 2: a gentleness that comes out of me that was there
Speaker 2: in the start. You know that I just had hidden
Speaker 2: between the front cover and the back cover. So I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure if I answered the original question, but
Speaker 2: I certainly I loved it.
Speaker 3: I mean what it like so many things out of
Speaker 3: that for me, like a hundred questions and a hundred thoughts,
Speaker 3: But like the idea that you know, this young, beautiful, loving,
Speaker 3: compassionate where a kid felt the need that he needed
Speaker 3: to create a persona to be this like personal. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you were the person and then you had to be
Speaker 3: come this persona of aggression and high performance and with
Speaker 3: the doe and the girls and the what you know,
Speaker 3: the power and the coolness and the but that's you know,
Speaker 3: I think that's almost not not that story, of course,
Speaker 3: But you know, I think everyone has to find, you know,
Speaker 3: that space between the person that they are and the
Speaker 3: persona that they present to the world. And and you
Speaker 3: know that could be that can be terrifying, and that's
Speaker 3: a very acute exercise in you know self amnness.
Speaker 2: And you know, can I add something to that, craigy
Speaker 2: for sac when I cut down into it, you know,
Speaker 2: I wanted to be like my dad. I get emotional
Speaker 2: when I say this, you know. I wanted to be
Speaker 2: like my dad. My dad was my god, my hero.
Speaker 2: My dad's now ninety with dementia in a home, you know,
Speaker 2: ten years through dementia, and it's into my eyes and
Speaker 2: he's still communicating through his eyes. You can't speak, you know.
Speaker 2: And what did I love about what my dad had?
Speaker 2: He seemed to have respect, He had the love of
Speaker 2: an amazing woman, my mother. They traveled everywhere together, they
Speaker 2: made decisions together. They were a team, they were a unit,
Speaker 2: you know. And I wanted to be like my dad.
Speaker 2: But the thought inside of me, Craig, was, I'm not enough.
Speaker 2: I'm not my dad. I can't be I can't be
Speaker 2: like my dad. A most freakly skinny little kid, freckly
Speaker 2: you know, like getting right down to the raw. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm a freakly small dick, skinny little kid, runt of
Speaker 2: a kid that's got nothing going for it, you know
Speaker 2: like that? You know how mean the voice in your
Speaker 2: head is, it just picks whatever it can to make
Speaker 2: you into not enough, not even a man physically, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Other than other than that a complete winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, other than that, other than being a complete, disastrous
Speaker 2: loser and really a waste of breath. Yeah, other than that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I suppose I'm okay every now and then,
Speaker 2: you know, so when I'm really honest about it, it's like,
Speaker 2: why did that dysfunction come out? Because it's like that
Speaker 2: whole attempt was to be loved. I desperately wanted to
Speaker 2: be something that would be worthy of love, to be loved,
Speaker 2: to be enough, to be enough to be loved. So
Speaker 2: the bottom line of the illusion, the distortion and the
Speaker 2: shadow was it's like a voice in your head going,
Speaker 2: you're a fucking nothing. You're a fucking nobody. You'll never
Speaker 2: be like your father, You'll never be like these great people.
Speaker 2: Who do you think you are? It's like a really
Speaker 2: quite violence, you know, self talk back there somewhere, and
Speaker 2: I don't even know that it's self talk. I almost
Speaker 2: think that it's like it's a thing that comes into
Speaker 2: a lot of young boys and a lot of young men,
Speaker 2: and a lot of young girls and a lot of
Speaker 2: young women people all around the world says, who do
Speaker 2: you think you are, you're a nothing, you got and
Speaker 2: it almost goads us into giving up on our intrinsic
Speaker 2: values and trading them off for something that will make
Speaker 2: that pain go away and you know, make me feel lovable.
Speaker 2: So at a deep, vulnerable level, it's about love, but
Speaker 2: at a psychology level, it's like I'm channeling some other
Speaker 2: dark force that goes, don't let this guy see that
Speaker 2: he's lovable the way he is. Don't let this guy
Speaker 2: see that he's actually been you know, he's inherited some
Speaker 2: wonderful values and everything else. Don't let From one level,
Speaker 2: there's other energies like do not let him see that
Speaker 2: his gentleness is the only thing he ever needs that
Speaker 2: will save the day many many times, you know. So
Speaker 2: there's something about the violence of the self talk that
Speaker 2: says we are not enough the way we are, and
Speaker 2: that I think we've very rarely acknowledged the degree to
Speaker 2: which it's. Why can we not shake it? Because the
Speaker 2: things just demanding to be to be listened to and obeyed,
Speaker 2: You are nothing. You need to use me to become something.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you're trade off with the devil. With
Speaker 2: it said, i'll give you power, you'll be lovable. You'll
Speaker 2: be so loved, You'll be loved by everybody. It's like
Speaker 2: it's very much like a seduction, you know, because I
Speaker 2: realized I'm still shaking it off myself. But when I'm
Speaker 2: not in it, I feel just so loving and connected
Speaker 2: to everybody and just shut up and I just listen.
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's just a beautiful place to live.
Speaker 2: And when I'm when I'm not feeling that gentleness, that
Speaker 2: stillness inside of myself, I go into needing to prove
Speaker 2: and win and everything we said back at the start.
Speaker 2: So but when I boil it down to it at
Speaker 2: a heart level, I just realized that it was actually
Speaker 2: about being like my dad. That was where I first
Speaker 2: felt not good enough, and the illusion that I had
Speaker 2: to be exactly like him, rather than seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: receive his love and allow that to give me strength,
Speaker 2: rather than be like him, receive his unconditional love and
Speaker 2: allow that strength to stay with me while I went
Speaker 2: through the journey. I needed to to be my own
Speaker 2: version of that, and probably ultimately, at some level that's
Speaker 2: what happened, because he loved me unconditionally right through all
Speaker 2: the obscurity he handled for me and all those races,
Speaker 2: all those years, you know, and when I was hiding
Speaker 2: things and not being true to myself and a part
Speaker 2: of a bit of a posse of men having a
Speaker 2: great time in life, you know, being superstars. He still
Speaker 2: just backed me and loved me. He didn't encourage me
Speaker 2: to keep doing that. He didn't stop me from doing anything.
Speaker 2: He just quietly went, don't need to know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to love you. And it's like he
Speaker 2: demonstrated what I ultimately needed was just to stay present
Speaker 2: until I could go all the way through this journey
Speaker 2: and come out. And I find that perhaps gentleness is
Speaker 2: more wise now. You know, if I hadn't kept it
Speaker 2: from the start, I wouldn't have this experience. If I
Speaker 2: hadn't trade it away for some temper glory, you know,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have the certainty around who I really am
Speaker 2: and who we really all are, and how wonderful the
Speaker 2: journey of losing yourself in the darkness actually is when
Speaker 2: it helps you find your light and really trust it.
Speaker 1: I'm writing that down, losing yourself to the darkness.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like I feel like for you and
Speaker 3: maybe for a lot of people, Trev we need to,
Speaker 3: I don't know, go on a journey that ultimately might
Speaker 3: be somewhat self destructive to do the full circle like mine.
Speaker 3: I told you the other day when we were talking
Speaker 3: on your show. My part of my story was taken
Speaker 3: steroids when I was young.
Speaker 1: I was in my twenties.
Speaker 3: Building businesses, building brands, lots of dough. I had five
Speaker 3: businesses at one stage, bricks and mortar businesses. I had
Speaker 3: one hundred staff, blah blah blah, all that shit, right,
Speaker 3: and not that any of that was bad, but none
Speaker 3: of it was who I was. And one of the
Speaker 3: you know, there's this there's this divergence or there's this
Speaker 3: space between the appearance of success, like you appeared really successful,
Speaker 3: so did I, but the experience, like I had all
Speaker 3: these people telling me how great I was doing and
Speaker 3: had you had that times a million, because I'm just
Speaker 3: fucking shitkicker, but you had that times a million.
Speaker 1: But in the middle of all of that, look, you're
Speaker 1: a fucking superstar. You're crushing, killing, hustling, winning. In the
Speaker 1: middle of all of that, what.
Speaker 3: Appears to be the high watermark for success, That isn't
Speaker 3: your experience like experience for like success for me is
Speaker 3: an internal state.
Speaker 1: Am I calm, am I joyful? Am I living with purpose?
Speaker 1: Am I serving others? And I know people will roll
Speaker 1: their eyes, but fucking try it.
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's again, nothing wrong with winning races
Speaker 3: or making lots of dough of themselves. They are not
Speaker 3: They're not bad things, but it's the relationship that you
Speaker 3: have with that. It's like money is not the root
Speaker 3: of all evil. The love of money is the root
Speaker 3: of all evil. Like these things are just tools and
Speaker 3: resources and they don't mean anything until we put a
Speaker 3: human in the picture. Yeah, And so it's like in
Speaker 3: the middle of the chaos and the mayhem and the
Speaker 3: fucking success and the money and the whatever it is,
Speaker 3: and the brand and the you know, the Hall of Australia, sorry,
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, this and that, all the shit that
Speaker 3: you did, which was fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: But if in the.
Speaker 3: Middle of that you're a prick, or you're miserable, or
Speaker 3: you're disconnected, or you're you're fucking emotionally spiritually bankrupt, what's
Speaker 3: the point.
Speaker 2: Or you're hiding something from your wife or your family
Speaker 2: or yourself. Yes, you know, you start hiding from other
Speaker 2: people in the end, you hide it from yourself. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know you forget that. Oh shit, actually I forgot that.
Speaker 2: I'm not really about that. You know, you said something earlier,
Speaker 2: said you know, you said, I'm just a shit kicker,
Speaker 2: And I know you're partly joking as well, but also
Speaker 2: I know that there's a humility in that. Right. What
Speaker 2: I've discovered is that the story is the same for
Speaker 2: all of us. It's just we're learning it in different
Speaker 2: ways for different reasons, because potentially we have a slightly
Speaker 2: different purpose. You know, you came through your channel and
Speaker 2: what you've learned makes you an incredibly stable, beautiful man
Speaker 2: to be around. I said this to you on the
Speaker 2: podcast last week. I sat there in love with you.
Speaker 2: I was in love with you, you know, I was
Speaker 2: sitting there in the love going, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can feel this space around you. Man, You've made it
Speaker 2: so safe for people to walk their journey because of
Speaker 2: how precarious your own journey's been. So the compassion understanding
Speaker 2: you've had to have for yourself has created a safety
Speaker 2: for others. You know, and set you're free. So I
Speaker 2: just think what a gift has come out of the dark.
Speaker 2: You know, that creates more lights, so you know, is
Speaker 2: there dark and light well a level, but ultimately it's
Speaker 2: all serving us to hop into this vortex, to this
Speaker 2: funnel and actually find our way out of this bullshit
Speaker 2: where we compete with each other. But I feel, you know,
Speaker 2: often relate to people. I say, my realization was it
Speaker 2: was switching from win it all costs to win on
Speaker 2: all levels, you know, And I say, it's a win
Speaker 2: on all costs mentality to a win on all levels understanding. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I can tell when people have got it because
Speaker 2: they noticed the difference between mentality and understanding, you know,
Speaker 2: because when they say, ah, I went on all cost
Speaker 2: mentality to a win on all levels mentality, It's like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not a mentality, it's an understanding that oh my god,
Speaker 2: I am you, you are me. We all got the
Speaker 2: same shit going on. Even if you can't see this
Speaker 2: big amazing thing that the Jogis and Christ and everyone
Speaker 2: else has spoken about. We are all one, you know,
Speaker 2: the Christ conscious of the unity conscious. This is amazing
Speaker 2: thing that can be tapped into without sitting six months
Speaker 2: in a ca It's actually inside of everybody. But with it,
Speaker 2: just leave that alone. It's like, oh, maybe it's the
Speaker 2: top rung on the ladder we need to be climbing.
Speaker 2: Is the recognition of oneness, But don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: As long as you're on the right ladder. The RUMs
Speaker 2: work their way down, and you know, you work your
Speaker 2: way and just take care of the rung that you're on.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, the simplest way of saying it is, if
Speaker 2: you really stop and scratch by the surface, the person
Speaker 2: walking past you in the street will have a story
Speaker 2: that will fascinate you, and you'll have a story that
Speaker 2: will fascinate then, and they'll have a depth and a
Speaker 2: root in the story that you'll understand and you'll appreciate
Speaker 2: because you can relate to and so will you for them.
Speaker 2: So it's not actually the oneness is not the problem.
Speaker 2: It's the perception of otherness. It's the perception that you're
Speaker 2: a different skin color, a different financial status, a different gender,
Speaker 2: a different you know, religious, you know bent, you've got
Speaker 2: a different emotion running through you at the moment, you
Speaker 2: look angry and I'm a peaceful person. Bot you we've
Speaker 2: all got the capability of being angry, you know. So
Speaker 2: the appearance is out on the surface. That's the way
Speaker 2: that all expresses itself. I can't often say. It's like
Speaker 2: saying that you saw a wave break and you said,
Speaker 2: I understand the ocean. Now you know? You know, No,
Speaker 2: you saw the wave break, and you saw the wave
Speaker 2: break behind the wave break behind. You look left and
Speaker 2: there's more breaking down. Then you look more right and
Speaker 2: there's more breaking down. Then you look at the point
Speaker 2: and they're wrapping around the point. You look at the
Speaker 2: reef break and they're surging over. You look at the
Speaker 2: gutter and they're coming through and surging on the shore.
Speaker 2: You look at the sandbank and they're spilling on the back.
Speaker 2: The waves are breaking many different ways based on the
Speaker 2: dynamic that they're meeting. You know, they circumstances of their life.
Speaker 2: But where has every single one of those waves come from?
Speaker 2: While it's an energy force that's come from an energy
Speaker 2: force pressed onto the ocean, so oneness is going through
Speaker 2: an experience. The ocean would be the oneness, and it's
Speaker 2: going through an experience of local conditions and local weather,
Speaker 2: and it expresses itself in waves. It's very much how
Speaker 2: an individual is. And when the wave breaks, what does
Speaker 2: the wave do? It doesn't go up the beach into
Speaker 2: the car park, wash, the shopping center away, keep going
Speaker 2: up to the mountains. When the wave breaks, it expels
Speaker 2: its force to whatever was given in the first place,
Speaker 2: and it releases its force up the shore, and then
Speaker 2: it runs back down. It goes under the next wave
Speaker 2: breaking and joins the water that's going back out to sea.
Speaker 2: And where does that wave? Where does that water go to?
Speaker 2: It joins the ocean again. It temporarily expresses itself. So
Speaker 2: to say I saw a wave and I understood the ocean,
Speaker 2: only if you saw its relationship with the whole ocean.
Speaker 2: It'd be like saying, I've seen that person and I
Speaker 2: understood if you can see the way that person relates
Speaker 2: to all of us and the ocean they come out of.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, there's this beauty in seeing who we are.
Speaker 2: And I recognize that I'd been on a ladder in
Speaker 2: my life, and at the top of the ladder was clouds,
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to get my head above those clouds.
Speaker 2: I climb that ladder like a determined mofo. I used
Speaker 2: some great characteristic traits and great spiritual determination and great
Speaker 2: things that I could later use for other things. No
Speaker 2: one get in my way pushed people off the ladder.
Speaker 2: I'm getting to the top because I've got to get
Speaker 2: my head above those damn clouds, because I'm not going
Speaker 2: to stay under these clouds one more day. I eventually
Speaker 2: overtook everybody on the ladder, pass broke all the records,
Speaker 2: got up the top, and then young people started following
Speaker 2: me up, you know, people I was coaching and training
Speaker 2: with me. And I get to the top of the ladder,
Speaker 2: and in the symbolism, it's actually how it appeared to
Speaker 2: me as as I stuck my head through the clouds
Speaker 2: and grabbed onto the top rung of the ladder. I
Speaker 2: pulled my head through the clouds, and I could see
Speaker 2: the blue sky above the clouds, the one that's the beauty.
Speaker 2: And I looked up. The first thing I noticed was
Speaker 2: the ladder I was on didn't go any further. It
Speaker 2: only allowed me to stick my head above the clouds,
Speaker 2: you know. And I actually looked over across the beautiful
Speaker 2: top of the clouds, rather than violent underneath them. I
Speaker 2: looked across the top and I saw this other ladder
Speaker 2: that came up through the clouds and kept going all
Speaker 2: the way. And on that other ladder was all these humble, simple,
Speaker 2: beautiful people climbing up mining their own business, not looking good,
Speaker 2: not looking great, you know, not looking like winners, not
Speaker 2: in the hall of not cleans honors around there. You know,
Speaker 2: they could have all those things, But the ones on
Speaker 2: that ladder were the ones that were actually just attending
Speaker 2: to the the desires of the heart. And I looked
Speaker 2: over and went, oh fuck, I'm on the wrong ladder,
Speaker 2: you know. And I started trying to climb down the ladder.
Speaker 2: And as I was climbing down, I'm stepping on the
Speaker 2: heads and the fingers and the shoulders of all the
Speaker 2: people that I said, come with me, We're going to freedom.
Speaker 2: Come on, kids. I was the leader of the pack,
Speaker 2: like the pied piper on the wrong ladder. And then
Speaker 2: I'm climbing back down and they go, what'd you see
Speaker 2: what's up there? And I'm going, We're on the wrong ladder,
Speaker 2: and they're going, bollshit, this is the right ladder. And
Speaker 2: now I'm climbing over them and I'm around them going
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, we're on the wrong ladder, and they're
Speaker 2: going I've got to see for myself, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: fair enough, I'm just getting off this ladder and I
Speaker 2: climbed back down over everybody, and one by one all
Speaker 2: those friends and people around me stuck the head up
Speaker 2: through the clouds. Well, I well. I proceeded to eat
Speaker 2: humble Pie to get off the ladder. I was on
Speaker 2: humble Pie to crawl my way across to the base
Speaker 2: of the other ladder. Humble Pie did begin to be
Speaker 2: invited to even climb that ladder, and started working all out,
Speaker 2: just looking at the self, looking at my own bullshit,
Speaker 2: looking at Oh my god, what an illusion like having
Speaker 2: to be a laugh at myself. And the further I
Speaker 2: got up that other ladder, I started, you know, getting
Speaker 2: a tap on the feet or like here hey, and
Speaker 2: I'm like looking and they're running from the other ladder
Speaker 2: over to this and going I'm following you, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's the easiest way I relate to win. It
Speaker 2: all costs to win on all levels. I literally got
Speaker 2: that vision in my mind. I went, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm on the wrong ladder, you know, And no one
Speaker 2: would believe me, because you have to see it for yourself.
Speaker 2: So what I'd say to people when people told me that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I'm on a
Speaker 2: good thing, I'll do it differently. And I had to
Speaker 2: see it for myself, and so I think I've learned,
Speaker 2: don't interfere with other people's journeys. Tell them that you're
Speaker 2: changing ladders if you want or a different ladder, and
Speaker 2: if they ask for your help, reflect back what they want.
Speaker 2: But otherwise, mind your own bloody business. You know, people
Speaker 2: are actually the failure they have today might be the
Speaker 2: impetus they have, you know, the egos desire they have
Speaker 2: today will be the failure they have to demirow, which
Speaker 2: is the impetus they have to change the day after,
Speaker 2: which is the awakening they have the day after that.
Speaker 2: So who am I to tell them they're on the
Speaker 2: wrong ladder or the wrong place. It's like, go for
Speaker 2: a man, have the experience. It's pretty amazing, And I'm
Speaker 2: with you. Whatever you do is what I've learned, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know, I think I've had to apply that
Speaker 2: to myself and go Even when I discover that I'm
Speaker 2: still full of shit and I'm still at this moment,
Speaker 2: i still want to punch someone in the face, and
Speaker 2: I still want to fight to defend my my viewpoint,
Speaker 2: I have to go back to the base of the
Speaker 2: ladder again. Go are you're still holding on to being
Speaker 2: right or winning? You know you have to crumble it again.
Speaker 2: You have to start at the beginning.
Speaker 1: You're always going to be acutely human, mate, that's the
Speaker 1: that's the that's the skinny.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like you're always.
Speaker 2: That's the gift, isn't it. It's the ground You're.
Speaker 1: Always You're always a work in progress.
Speaker 3: It's like I always say, if I wait, if I
Speaker 3: wait until I've got all my shit together before I
Speaker 3: coach or teach or support or encomage your podcast, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To live in a cave till I drop dead.
Speaker 3: So so with all of my bullshit strengths, weaknesses, gifts
Speaker 3: and flaws, I'm going to show up and whatever that
Speaker 3: looks like, try to help people.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: We need to wind up, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: wind up. I want to do like twenty more podcasts
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 2: Let's come back for part two mates soon.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 3: I would love to, and I'm sure, like I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell you now, I never say this like this
Speaker 3: is probably I don't know what this is one thousand
Speaker 3: and five hundred and thirty or forty.
Speaker 1: It's maybe my favorite podcast, definitely in my top view
Speaker 1: ever and I've done six years.
Speaker 2: Of them, so oh, thank you Mane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is. You know, here's the thing that
Speaker 3: you as you were talking then kind of dawned on me. Sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, I might open the door and I go,
Speaker 3: let's talk about, you know, the concept of success, Trevor,
Speaker 3: let's talk about you know, what is personal growth?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So we talk about these things objectively with our brain
Speaker 3: and then we analyze it without, you know, and we
Speaker 3: deconstructed scientific and that's not bad. But sometimes, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, even with myself, sometimes I need to get
Speaker 3: out of the way to get whatever it is that
Speaker 3: needs to come through me out, you know, I need
Speaker 3: to get the craigness, you know. And sometimes even on
Speaker 3: even on my own podcast, Less from Me is More,
Speaker 3: And you talked a lot, but I loved every word,
Speaker 3: and I you know that sometimes I'm probably over talking now.
Speaker 3: But sometimes I finish a podcast and it's like, not often,
Speaker 3: but every now and then I'm like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that person says all the things and they're super articulate,
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know that I don't know
Speaker 3: that away from the microphone, that's what's really going on.
Speaker 3: But with you, with you, you are just you're fully present,
Speaker 3: you know what's and all good stuff, bad stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's truly a gift. It's truly a gift to
Speaker 3: chat with you, to connect with you, and to bring
Speaker 3: you to my audience.
Speaker 2: So thanks, mate, thank you, and my perspective. Mate. I
Speaker 2: said this on our podcast last week. I love and
Speaker 2: appreciate you. I love being with you. I sat with
Speaker 2: you last week and I was like, oh, man, I
Speaker 2: love being with you. You know, like I it's such
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. It's like, oh, We've got so much
Speaker 2: more to explore together. And you know, just even just
Speaker 2: like as you said, like a brother, like a twin.
Speaker 2: You know, in some ways it's like, my god, our
Speaker 2: journey is so similar. You know, it's just so obviously
Speaker 2: so different. But the obvious is out on the external
Speaker 2: it's like judging it by the waves that are breaking.
Speaker 2: But when you go back to the ocean, it's like,
Speaker 2: my god, we've actually walked the same journey around fears
Speaker 2: and insecurities and you know, and back on the podcast
Speaker 2: we spoke about you had some challenges around your weight,
Speaker 2: you were too you you felt you were too fat.
Speaker 2: I felt I was too skinny. Yeah, you know, we've
Speaker 2: ended up in the middle somewhere with strong male bobbies,
Speaker 2: just to make sure nobody ever criticizes the game, you know.
Speaker 2: So we're coming from different angles. But I love the
Speaker 2: fact that life's made as collide again, mate, and I'm
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I would love to do part two whenever.
Speaker 2: Whenever it is if people want to hear that, we
Speaker 2: can talk about other stuff. And that's about my story
Speaker 2: and more about has some fun with some other concepts.
Speaker 1: You know, your story is brilliant.
Speaker 3: I'd like tim all right, well for the we'll say
Speaker 3: goodbye affair, but for the moment before we go, do
Speaker 3: you want to put do you want to steer anyone
Speaker 3: towards anything?
Speaker 1: So that what's the show?
Speaker 2: The new show, what's it called. It's called Future Lab.
Speaker 2: It's actually we're exploring human potential through science and soul,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's really fascinating. Daddy, Danny Irbinder, doctor
Speaker 2: Denise Vaness and myself and we get guests them as well,
Speaker 2: like yourself and other incredible people. And doctor Denise is
Speaker 2: she's an epigenesis and she's an incredible, amazing lady, great
Speaker 2: friend of yours, and she just blows my mind all
Speaker 2: the time. But yeah, Handy trev on Instagram. I throw
Speaker 2: things on every now and then. Got a little YouTube
Speaker 2: channel of my travels, you know, for driving and reflecting
Speaker 2: in nature. It's which just Travor Handy YouTube. There's a
Speaker 2: website Trevor Handy dot com. I do talk to do
Speaker 2: one on one sessions with people, you know, all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And that's probably enough, mate. It's just
Speaker 2: a great journey. I'm pretty humbled too, I don't know,
Speaker 2: to be able to learn and share on this journey.
Speaker 1: So all right mate, until next time, Thanks buddy, Yeah brother,