WEBVTT - Sharri | 29 April

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening. Just days out from the federal election, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Alberzi picks a fight with a global ratings agency. How

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<v Speaker 2>he's put EGO above the national interest. Plus the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister has the audacity to accuse Dutton of lacking courage

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<v Speaker 2>by coming on Sky News at night. Well, if only

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi had enough metal to front up and face the

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<v Speaker 2>tough questions. Thugish labor lined unionists gate crash Dutton's event

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<v Speaker 2>with school children, But will labor apologize? And how the

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<v Speaker 2>national polls are getting this election campaign wrong? Well that's

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<v Speaker 2>according to one season political analyst who'll be on tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's another massive show tonight every night this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you tonight we've got James Patterson, Ray Hadley,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price, Andrew Carswell and Cameron Milner. Now just days

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<v Speaker 2>out from the federal election, and Anthony Albanizei has picked

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<v Speaker 2>a fight with a highly reputable global ratings agency. The

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister has scoffed and ridiculed the non partisan agency

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<v Speaker 2>for daring to raise concerns about its massive pre election

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<v Speaker 2>off budget spending. It's never ending billions of dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>election announcements to buy voters. Now, this should be a

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<v Speaker 2>wake up call for the Prime Minister, but instead he's

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<v Speaker 2>mocked the agency. It's an utterly astonishing response. Now to recap,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ratings Agency Standard and Pause has issued a warning

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<v Speaker 2>that Australia's Triple A credit rating is at risk because

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<v Speaker 2>of out of control spending. And this includes over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred billion dollars of spending that it hasn't actually been

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<v Speaker 2>budgeted for. It's on the NBN Snowy Hydro Clean Energy

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<v Speaker 2>Finance Corporate Ration, the pledge to pay sixteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>off every student's XTEP, twenty percent of every student's XTET,

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<v Speaker 2>among many other promises. Now, this is a serious warning.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's what the Ratings Agency told Sky News Business Now.

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<v Speaker 3>And what we are seeing is a lot of spending

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<v Speaker 3>across both parties and minor parties as well, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>really curious as to how it's going to be funded.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the real issue for US. Deficits of two

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<v Speaker 3>to two and a half percent of GDP are consistent

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<v Speaker 3>of the Triple A, but are they going to be there?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they going to be my three or four percent

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<v Speaker 3>post GFC levels? We don't know the answer to that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So the agency says debt funded election spending was pushing

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<v Speaker 2>up government outlays to the highest since World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>and extremely serious warning. But bizarrely the Prime Minister isn't

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<v Speaker 2>taking it seriously, he scoffed when asked a question about

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<v Speaker 2>it on the ABC last night.

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<v Speaker 4>All of this adds up to what Standard and Pauses

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<v Speaker 4>saying is that there's too much spending and it's putting

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<v Speaker 4>Australia's Triple A credit rating at risk. Well there's no suggestion, frankly,

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<v Speaker 4>the Triple A credit rating is there.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Prime Minister's claiming there's no issue when the

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<v Speaker 2>ratings Agency was so concerned it issued a public statement

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<v Speaker 2>in black and white days out from the election. Former

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<v Speaker 2>Treasurers Peter Costello and Scott Morrison Josh Fredenberg I used

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<v Speaker 2>to go to New York and sit down with the

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<v Speaker 2>agencies and argue their case in official meetings. They treated

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<v Speaker 2>the agencies with respect. They'd furnish them with information, explain

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<v Speaker 2>their economic plan and thus they managed to keep Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>roll gold rating. They certainly didn't mock the agency publicly,

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<v Speaker 2>as Albanzy went on to do in his very next sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>And you wouldn't be surprised at this, because Albanezy isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a serious, sophisticated player. He's juvenile. And he bizarrely went on,

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<v Speaker 2>as you're about to hear, to deride the financial analysts

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<v Speaker 2>at this respectable global ratings agency and then try to

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<v Speaker 2>deflect his own economic mess by blaming the opposition.

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<v Speaker 4>They must have been beside themselves whoever wrote that particular

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<v Speaker 4>report when the coalition left us with a seventy eight

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollar deficit, we turned that into a twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollar surplus.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, two things about that statement. Firstly, it's factually inaccurate.

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<v Speaker 2>The final budget outcome for the coalition's time in office

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<v Speaker 2>was thirty two billion, not seventy eight billion that he

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<v Speaker 2>keeps lying about. And in fact, Friedenberg left the budget

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<v Speaker 2>in a position for there to be a surplus, which

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<v Speaker 2>he achieved through strong labor market and higher than expected

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<v Speaker 2>commodity prices. Now, Albinizy was even corrected on this by

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<v Speaker 2>feel in the nine debate, so he knows it's not true,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet he still knowingly continues to lie about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trudy McIntosh and other journalists picked him up on

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<v Speaker 2>this again today. Still he wouldn't concede anything now. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>that derision that you heard there of the agency is

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<v Speaker 2>unbefitting for a prime minister and it could also backfire

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<v Speaker 2>with S and P if they were line ball on

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<v Speaker 2>whether to downgrade. Alberanze's comments are more likely to make

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<v Speaker 2>them do so. His glass jaw has potentially threatened Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>national interest. As former Treasury official Spiro Premaitis wrote today

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<v Speaker 2>in The finn Review, Albinzi is a leader who shrugs

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<v Speaker 2>off credible criticism. Is not reassuring the public, but is

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<v Speaker 2>either demonstrating that he doesn't understand the problem or is

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<v Speaker 2>choosing to ignore it. A typical response from Albanezi to

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<v Speaker 2>bury his head in the sound. And Spiro writes, when

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<v Speaker 2>a major credit ratings agency sounds the alarm on a

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<v Speaker 2>government's fiscal trajectory, a serious national leader listens, They explain,

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<v Speaker 2>they reassure, they set out a plan, he says. Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Anthony Albaneze did none of these things. Instead, he

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<v Speaker 2>mocked the report's authors, dismissed the warning, and pointed to

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<v Speaker 2>a temporary budget surplus, as if that were the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter. It isn't an Australians deserve better. A

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<v Speaker 2>strong piece from Spiro and he says this fails the

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<v Speaker 2>test of leadership. And thankfully the knightlyes. Latika Burke pulled

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Alberzi up on his disrespectful comments about S and

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<v Speaker 2>P Today.

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<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister last night you said quote they must have

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<v Speaker 5>been beside themselves whoever wrote that report. Now, if Peter

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<v Speaker 5>Dutton questioned an independent expert in the way you did

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<v Speaker 5>last night, you would be going full tropo and saying

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<v Speaker 5>he was Marga or Trump. So why is it okay

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<v Speaker 5>for you to question the independence of experts? And Treasurer

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<v Speaker 5>Jim charm was if you lose Australia's triple A rating,

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<v Speaker 5>will that disqualify you from being Australia's next Prime minister?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Letika.

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<v Speaker 4>What I was doing last night was pointing out a

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<v Speaker 4>fact that we have been responsible economic managers and if

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<v Speaker 4>you compare and if you compare what our position was

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<v Speaker 4>of two budget surpluses, compare that after we under the

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<v Speaker 4>Labor government, was what delivered the triple A credit rating?

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<v Speaker 5>Is talking about your future record, PM, it's talking about

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<v Speaker 5>the future of yesterday's.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the coalision the triple A credit rating despite

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, and Albanizi

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<v Speaker 2>has now put it at risk during a time of stability.

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<v Speaker 2>Albinizi also ignores the fact that he's increased structural spending

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<v Speaker 2>and that this has exactly debated inflation and now this

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<v Speaker 2>spending threatens our triple A rating. The night These editorial

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<v Speaker 2>says that, in other words, you can't ramp up public

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<v Speaker 2>spending to stratostraphic levels to disguise a recession, then rash

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<v Speaker 2>it it up even more with no plan and how

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for it without expecting some long term consequences. Somehow,

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<v Speaker 2>in Albanesi's upside down world, this is the way out

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<v Speaker 2>of a growing government debt crisis. Give people more stuff

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<v Speaker 2>for free and call it responsible economic management. The Nightly

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<v Speaker 2>says it's an absurd contradiction, devoid of logic, and as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Prime Minister prefers to blame inflation on

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<v Speaker 2>overseas factors, on wars and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why, through everything the world has thrown at Australia

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<v Speaker 4>over the past three years, the worst global inflation in

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<v Speaker 4>four decades, the biggest international energy crisis in half a

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<v Speaker 4>century and even now trade tensions fueling new global economic uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 4>Our government has faced these global challenges the Australian way.

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<v Speaker 2>The budget black hole that Labour's created is truly alarming.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we lose our triple A credit rating, this

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<v Speaker 2>could lead to higher debt servicing costs, slower growth and

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<v Speaker 2>even potentially higher interest rates. Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor warned

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<v Speaker 2>about some of this here on the show last night.

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<v Speaker 6>Now S and P is telling us the rating agency

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<v Speaker 6>that there's real risks now to our ratings. If our

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<v Speaker 6>rating has dropped from triple A, we will see impacts

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<v Speaker 6>on interest rates in this country, impacts on government interest

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<v Speaker 6>rates but also interest rates for the economy more generally.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's a very dangerous place to be taking Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye downgrade would be a vote of no confidence in

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanese government, and the Prime Minister can't just shrug

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<v Speaker 2>it off and pretend there's nothing to see here, as

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<v Speaker 2>he's inclined to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When I spoke to Peter Dutton last night, he told

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<v Speaker 2>me about the hostile press pack he's had following him

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<v Speaker 2>around this campaign.

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<v Speaker 7>I just think they're so biased and many of them

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<v Speaker 7>just activists not journalists, that their position becomes counterproductive and

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<v Speaker 7>they're playing to a particular audience, to a Green voter.

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<v Speaker 7>And frankly, as the Prime Minister's demonstrated, his whole government

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<v Speaker 7>has been about how do we please the inner city

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<v Speaker 7>green voter in Sydney and Melbourne. That's why he's taken

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<v Speaker 7>such a soft stance in relation to anti Semitism. The

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<v Speaker 7>left wing media frankly, by polling day I think will

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<v Speaker 7>be counterproductive in what they're doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really something you can't argue with. Dutton has

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<v Speaker 2>been met with far more aggressive, argumentative, antagonistic questions from

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<v Speaker 2>the journalists on his campaign bus, and in truth, their

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<v Speaker 2>opinions masquerading as questions in many cases. Here's one journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>this is Channel seven reporter Isabelle Mullen.

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<v Speaker 8>Can you disclose that you were the beneficiary of a

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<v Speaker 8>family trust in twenty fourteen? So, Dutton, aren't you being

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<v Speaker 8>tricky with the truth not to answer today? Aren't you

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<v Speaker 8>being tricky with your own truth at the moment? And

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<v Speaker 8>your candidate has described China as a grub of a

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<v Speaker 8>country and said feminists were to blame for Trump's loss

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<v Speaker 8>in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of those comments?

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<v Speaker 8>Is his enthusiastic support for Donald Trump a problem though,

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<v Speaker 8>mister Dutton? Is his coat.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's only matched by ABC journalist Evelyn Manfield.

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<v Speaker 8>So was that answered by mister t and a mistake?

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<v Speaker 9>And also was.

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<v Speaker 2>Your answer yesterday on wester Erusalem the mistake? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 8>Well you had to your office had to go and

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<v Speaker 8>clarify it.

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<v Speaker 3>So was it a mistake?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Happy to take you. Is it a question you want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 10>Just yeah, yeah, sure questions?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you get some of those?

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<v Speaker 8>If you get some of those questions answered, would you

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<v Speaker 8>from Keir Starmers say, would you be willing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Change your mind? I don't have prospectively, would you be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to change your mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Dutton?

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they're not alone. Have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>more of the same.

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<v Speaker 7>Which forty one thousand of them might not have a

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<v Speaker 7>job in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>How is it that the Liberal Party has recruited so

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<v Speaker 2>many members of a religious section for dot and fault

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<v Speaker 2>to hand.

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<v Speaker 11>Out for it, whether it is how your gas plan

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<v Speaker 11>is going to get electricity bills down, or how you're

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<v Speaker 11>going to spend the health and education budgets. Why is

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<v Speaker 11>there is delay on letting voters into the secret.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Dunton, we don't see a lot of your softer side.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you think that your time as a police officer

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<v Speaker 8>led you to have a black and white view of

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<v Speaker 8>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dunnan has spoken about the ab we see in

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<v Speaker 2>the Guardian, describing them as hate media. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>understand why the ABC is funded by the taxpay It's

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be impartial, especially during an election campaign. But

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<v Speaker 2>here was the reporter behind well known attacks on liberal

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<v Speaker 2>figures targeting Dutton last night on primetime television.

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<v Speaker 12>Some First Nations leaders say this was part of a

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<v Speaker 12>pattern for Peter Dutton when it comes to race. Do

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<v Speaker 12>you think that Peter Dutton has an issue with race?

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<v Speaker 12>We uncovered fresh details about the Dutton family's dealings and

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<v Speaker 12>the people that they've done business with. A large proportion

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<v Speaker 12>of the Dutton family's wealth comes from private childcare, often

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<v Speaker 12>bought and sold through trusts.

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<v Speaker 2>Hardly unbiased reporting just days out from the election. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if ALBN Easy had been involved in childcare business, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been making that a virtue of his election campaign. But

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<v Speaker 2>Darton deals with these attacks. He takes hostile questions from

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<v Speaker 2>the traveling press pack on a daily basis. He's used

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<v Speaker 2>to it. But then Alban Easy dead today to mock

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<v Speaker 2>him for supposedly not fronting up to tough questions and

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<v Speaker 2>instead coming on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 4>I did the seven thirty report, Lafsata. I know that

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Dutton is courageously showing strength by doing Paul Murray

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<v Speaker 4>tonight for the second time in the campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that will.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a rigorous cross examination of their costings.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Alban Easy speaking of a lack of courage

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<v Speaker 2>is like Putin claiming he stands for peace or a

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<v Speaker 2>lifeguard afraid to get where It is laughable. If anyone

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have courage to face tough questions, it's Alban Easy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's never had the courage to come on Sky News

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<v Speaker 2>during prime time when the audience is highest, not with

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Kredlin, Andrew, Paul Murray or me to answer what

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<v Speaker 2>would truly be tough questions about the state of our economy,

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of living crisis, national security and his gross

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<v Speaker 2>mishandling of social cohesion and during the antisemitism crisis, which

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<v Speaker 2>the Director General of ASIO said was the greatest threat

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<v Speaker 2>to life in Australia and still is. Albanezy repeatedly refused

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down for an interview, never mind that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the only Jewish nightly television host in the country. And

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<v Speaker 2>as for Paul Murray's show, on both occasions that Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>has appeared during this election, he's faced questions from voters

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<v Speaker 2>that he couldn't prepare for and that he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>in advance. That was the case of the pup test.

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<v Speaker 2>And it'll be the same tonight and we look forward

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<v Speaker 2>to watching it in just under an hour's time and

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<v Speaker 2>joinning me now to discuss all of this and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio legend Ray Hadley Ray, great to see you again.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't fill alone in the Prime minister's non performance

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<v Speaker 13>on Sky. He used to mock me at question time

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<v Speaker 13>about my interrogation of Peter Dutton every Thursday. Dutton had

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<v Speaker 13>been appearing on my radio show for probably a decade,

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<v Speaker 13>and then when he became opposition leader away from being

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<v Speaker 13>a minister, he appeared every Thursday. I suspect I made

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<v Speaker 13>via my producers one hundred requests for Anthony Alberesi to

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<v Speaker 13>come on the program and face some tough questions. He

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<v Speaker 13>never ever ever he's got a heart about the size

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<v Speaker 13>of a caraway.

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<v Speaker 1>Seed, he never ever ever presented himself.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm looking forward to Peter Dutton being with Paul Murray

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<v Speaker 13>tonight because he's a genuine, decent person and all this

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<v Speaker 13>rubbish and God.

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<v Speaker 1>Blessed Latika, God bless Latika.

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<v Speaker 13>I ran into her at the debate that went before,

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<v Speaker 13>and she reminded me of our past history when we

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<v Speaker 13>both worked in the same place. And she has come

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<v Speaker 13>many many killers meters since in terms of her professionalism

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<v Speaker 13>and the way she put it to in them. I'm

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<v Speaker 13>very proud of it, and I'm proud of you too.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm proud of brave young women who are prepared to

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<v Speaker 13>stand up to these people who don't answer the questions.

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<v Speaker 13>But one of the things I think, as we lead

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<v Speaker 13>into the election on Saturday, with many millions having already voted,

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<v Speaker 13>I just don't understand Peter's been at more petrol bowsers

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<v Speaker 13>than an interstate truck driver, But that twenty five cents reduction,

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<v Speaker 13>in excise, it will mean the world. It's fuel, it's diesel.

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<v Speaker 13>The only feel that doesn't include is aviation fuel. It's

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<v Speaker 13>a really important thing and the other thing is announced recently.

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<v Speaker 13>You may be aware that there will be a tax

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<v Speaker 13>on July one and Anthony Albernezi tax on motor vehicles,

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<v Speaker 13>particularly the trucks that are driven by the trades, and

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<v Speaker 13>there are millions of them out there. One of them's

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<v Speaker 13>a Forward Ranger now.

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<v Speaker 1>From July two.

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<v Speaker 13>If you want to buy yourself a Forward Ranger, it's

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<v Speaker 13>going to cost you fourteen four hundred dollars more. If

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<v Speaker 13>you want to buy a RAB four which is not

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<v Speaker 13>a truck, trying to cost you about four grand more,

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<v Speaker 13>about three thoy eight hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>If Peter Dutton's Prime minister, that won't be happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, families understand this. Do you think no attention

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<v Speaker 2>enough or the messages got through to them all?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Because of left wing media or a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, I don't need anyone to tip to me

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<v Speaker 13>how those two young ladies from the ABC and CHANNERL

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<v Speaker 13>seven are going to vote on start they have they

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<v Speaker 13>haven't already they won't be voting for Peter Dutton, Come on, mate,

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<v Speaker 13>Rather than.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even about how they personally vote, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>the work they would then produce or journalists like them

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<v Speaker 2>in the Herald, in the Guardian and other You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can understand why you read articles that are so

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<v Speaker 2>negative when those are the journalists asking the questions.

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<v Speaker 13>See, I've been accused and I'm happy to carry the

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<v Speaker 13>you know, the epitaph of being a right wing shock jock.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was. I was a commentator. I was

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<v Speaker 1>not a reporter.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm like, you're a commentator, like Paul Murray, like Peter Kredl,

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<v Speaker 13>and like Andrew Bolt.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a commentator. And what my.

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<v Speaker 13>Program was based on for nearly thirty years was my opinion,

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<v Speaker 13>my firmly held opinion. Those people are journalists. They don't

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<v Speaker 13>have an opinion. If they do, they've got to hide it.

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<v Speaker 13>They must hide that opinion from view. They must be objective,

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<v Speaker 13>not subjective. And what we saw in that excerpt or not.

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<v Speaker 2>The bosses think watching the press.

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<v Speaker 13>And maybe their bosses feel the same way about that.

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<v Speaker 13>But at the end of the day, if you're a journalist,

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<v Speaker 13>and I've never been a journalist, and I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 13>not saying that bastfully, I've always been a commentator.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I was a political journalist, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>political editor for the Daily Telegraph before that political report

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<v Speaker 2>if the Stunday Telegraph, I didn't even vote. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>even on the elector role for about fifteen years because

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<v Speaker 2>they did take it so seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, there needs to be an examination.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you can't blame the media ultimately. You

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<v Speaker 2>know he is facing hostile questions, but you can't blame

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<v Speaker 2>the media. And there has been a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal campaign could have done better, stronger, stronger attack ads.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I have announcing their policies, if.

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<v Speaker 13>I'd have been formulated, and I would have started with

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<v Speaker 13>the Voice three hundred and sixty million, what's named up

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<v Speaker 13>against a wall by the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>All he had to do was divide the question.

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<v Speaker 13>The first question was should there be Indigenous recognition of

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<v Speaker 13>the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there should be. Then the voice.

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<v Speaker 13>We had the niAA, the Coalition of the Peaks, costing billions

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<v Speaker 13>of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't need another body.

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<v Speaker 13>So all he had to do was catch it in

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<v Speaker 13>that way, two separate questions, and the first one would

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<v Speaker 13>have been carried and now we won't get a crack

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<v Speaker 13>at recognizing Indigenous people for another five Prime ministers and

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<v Speaker 13>that's a disgrace and that's all down to Anthony Albanezi,

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<v Speaker 13>his pig headed attitude and just on the journalists in

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<v Speaker 13>relation to this. I know what you say is true

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<v Speaker 13>that there have been mistakes made by the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 13>and the mistakes that should have been requified way way

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<v Speaker 13>back five weeks ago. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 13>the message getting out to the masses is coming from

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<v Speaker 13>people with a set agenda. Asked the really difficult questions

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<v Speaker 13>of Peter Dutton, the Dorothy dixs.

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<v Speaker 1>If we used to call them go to the Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly what we've seen. No, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>speak to you about capital gains tax. Unrealized capital gains tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this should be a coalition scare campaign. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of voters don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 13>This is people who've retired on one of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 13>partially people who I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing my best to stop you from retiring.

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<v Speaker 1>Rate people who have retired.

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<v Speaker 13>I've got to realize this unrealized capital gains it's not

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<v Speaker 13>on your shares or your property portfolio that you sell.

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<v Speaker 13>And when I say property portfolio, most retire res try

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<v Speaker 13>to have some sort of investment property to keep the

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<v Speaker 13>income coming in or shares, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 13>pay tax, according to Anthony Albanezi, when they increase in value,

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<v Speaker 13>not when you realize the asset, when you sell it

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<v Speaker 13>and you're paying capital gains for other things. These are

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<v Speaker 13>things you'll pay on the way through. Now it's a

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<v Speaker 13>three million dollar limit. Now, you know, people say, well

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<v Speaker 13>that's a lot of money, having super three million dollars.

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<v Speaker 13>If the Greens are in coalition, which I think they

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<v Speaker 13>would have to be for him to be Prime minister,

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<v Speaker 13>they want it down to two million dollars. Now, aspirational

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<v Speaker 13>retirees over the age of sixty five or in my

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<v Speaker 13>case seventy, who've worked their backsides off for forty five

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<v Speaker 13>or fifty years as I have, well, it's not a

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<v Speaker 13>large amount of money to make sure that you aren't

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<v Speaker 13>an imposition on the taxpayer, that you are self funded

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<v Speaker 13>and you're looking after yourself. That's the way most Australians

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<v Speaker 13>want to live. They want to live in a way

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<v Speaker 13>that they're not a burden on their family or on

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<v Speaker 13>the taxpayer. And all of a sudden, the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 13>in coalition with the Greens is going to jam it

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<v Speaker 13>to these people one point eight million Australians, and those

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.399
<v Speaker 13>one point eight million Australians need to realize that if

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<v Speaker 13>they haven't vaded already, they need to realize if they're

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<v Speaker 13>a retiree, there's only one party to vote for and

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<v Speaker 13>it's not the Labor Party nor the Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's hugely problematic this policy. Ray, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get your prediction for Saturday. This is the last time

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see you before the election.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's hard to change horses halfway through the race.

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<v Speaker 13>Would be indicative, I think, based on polls and even

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<v Speaker 13>the bookmakers prices that the Prime Minister will be returned,

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<v Speaker 13>but not a majority in minority, which means he's got

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<v Speaker 13>to go cap in hand with the Teals and Greens

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<v Speaker 13>and cross benches and say what do you want? And

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<v Speaker 13>I have nightmares thinking about this. People who aren't old

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<v Speaker 13>enough to remember. I was there on air the day

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<v Speaker 13>that I had that agonazing speech from Tamey Winton.

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Ake shot for Julia Gillard.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, and to think the two blakes like that

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<v Speaker 13>determine the outcome of election. Will think about safety scamps,

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<v Speaker 13>think about the Greens, think about these people. I mean

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<v Speaker 13>what safety Scamps did in relation to their air man

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<v Speaker 13>lost his life. I mean, I could never forgive it

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 13>for that. I as she tried to explain that that

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<v Speaker 13>was just disgraceful. It was absolutely just nowhere in the

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<v Speaker 13>report of the Corona blame climate change on that young

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<v Speaker 13>fella's death.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what they're desperate.

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<v Speaker 13>They're desperate to make themselves the narrative instead of being,

0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:54.919
<v Speaker 13>of course, part of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so you're thinking minority government.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I'll get into this a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we might not know an outcomes Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 13>If I think that, well now, I don't think we'll

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<v Speaker 13>have Sunday off. That don't count on Sunday, So we

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<v Speaker 13>might have an outcome maybe till the middle of next week.

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<v Speaker 13>But you know, you've asked the question. So I think

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 13>the government will be returned in minority. And as I've

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<v Speaker 13>said before in other places as well, the Daily Telegraph

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<v Speaker 13>and the Daily Telegraph, app goodness helps if.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Ray happily, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for it's been a pleasure being with you for

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<v Speaker 1>the five weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope you continue. Love to see you back

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<v Speaker 2>here next Tuesday and we can discuss the fallout from

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<v Speaker 2>the election.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll be back next to make it six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, as you know, Minnie Ryan's campaign has been rocked

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<v Speaker 2>by allegations that a Chinese Communist Party linked organization has

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly been trying to get people to volunteer and vote

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<v Speaker 2>for her. You might have seen this video already. Have

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<v Speaker 2>a quick look.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to find a graph find out you know

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<v Speaker 1>you both are.

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<v Speaker 2>Supporting and obviously volunteering for money.

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<v Speaker 4>Grian?

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<v Speaker 12>Why you call you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, Flan's just term you for this is a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did you make.

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Minnie Grian says that she's got nothing to do

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>with it, and she even referred it to the AEC

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>for investigation. Let's bring it out. Skynese host Steve Price, Steve,

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>good to see you look this. You know, Ray was

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 2>just speaking about the Teals. Sophie scomps Minnie Grin has

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>had the worst campaign out of all the Teals, but

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.160
<v Speaker 2>because they are a brand, it reflects poorly on all

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>of them. What do you think about Goldstein and Kou Young?

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they're going to be returned to the

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Liberals on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 10>Well knowing I was going to talk to you tonight,

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<v Speaker 10>I went out to the pre poll in Kuyong today,

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 10>which is in the in the town hall on the

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 10>corner of Glenferry Road and High Street. And you should

0:25:59.000 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 10>have seen the crowd there.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 10>I've never seen more core flutes at an election polling

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:06.960
<v Speaker 10>booth in my life. I spoke briefly to Amelia Hamer,

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 10>who looks like she needs a good night's rest. She's

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 10>really been working very hard. This is the Liberal candidate

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 10>to hold that seat. Monique Ryan wasn't there, but I was.

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 10>I mean, this is what happens when you have a

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 10>public cation you go to a pre poll. Monique Ryan's

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 10>teal how to vote card. People were all over me

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 10>like a bad rash, and then I said that I

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 10>didn't really want to talk to them. I think that

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 10>Monique Ryan is probably at the moment just a little

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 10>bit ahead, but I've got no confidence she can hold it.

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 10>Emelia Hamer is a fantastic candidate. She's been well resourced,

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 10>and Monique Ryan and Kujong lost a bunch of seats

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 10>in a redrawer of the boundaries of that seat that

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 10>took in some of them the more voting likely voters.

0:26:57.320 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 10>And she picked up a bit of South Yarra, in

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 10>a bit of trakn area like that. So it's going

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 10>to be a incredibly tight contest. Tell you what, have

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 10>you been staggered at the number of people and turning

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 10>out to these prepoles? I mean millions. I think four

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 10>million people was the last figure I heard. Shari have

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 10>voted already. So Monique Grian, I mean, she's had a

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 10>shocking campaign. Her husband ripped down that post and then

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 10>pretended he wasn't involved with her at all. Then she's

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 10>had this issue clearly with the two Chinese that were

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 10>on that video connected to the Hubei organization. Monique Grin says,

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 10>I went to one dinner and that's it. You know,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 10>it's not been a good It's not been a good

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 10>campaign for her at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to ask about other parts of Victoria.

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 2>We have heard for a while that this is the

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 2>coalition's strong opportunity to pick up many seats in the

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:52.959
<v Speaker 2>art of suburban areas. Do you think this is still

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>looking good for the coalition or has it come off

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>a bit.

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 10>Has it tightened, come off a bit, but not a lot.

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.440
<v Speaker 10>I think those out of bourbon seats so get back Aston.

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 10>I don't think there's any doubt about that. Outer the petrol.

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.639
<v Speaker 10>The petrol excise policy has been really well received in

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 10>the out of suburbs because people are, like in Western Sydney,

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 10>are driving, you know, thirty forty kilometers a day in

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 10>and out, so double it sixty k's. They're filling the

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 10>car up twice a week. I think it's going to

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 10>help her. I think it's going to help Peter Dutton

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 10>in places like Flinders. I think Zoey McKenzie's probably going

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 10>to hang onto that seat even though there's a blow

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 10>called Ben Smith down there, another TiAl funded by Climate

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 10>two hundred and he's got a huge number of billboards

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 10>and posters up, so he's obviously had a well funded

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 10>campaign and I think Zoe's worked really hard and will

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 10>probably hang on to that seat. So look, I've said

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 10>to you do this, I've told you this before. Labor

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 10>brand is toxic in Victoria, will be toxic enough for

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 10>people to punish Anthony Albanisi or do they want to

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 10>wait until next year and punish the appalling justinto Allen.

0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>It'll be a bit of both.

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 10>So I don't think the result would be as good

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 10>as what Peter Dutton hoped at the beginning of the campaign.

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 10>But I think he's still going to pick up three

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 10>or four seats in Victoria.

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking about the impact of the state government now

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>they just center Alan government. Of course. Daniel Andrews is

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 2>now struggling to join a golf club. I thought you'd

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>find this story quite funny that he did manage to

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:24.959
<v Speaker 2>get a membership through a mate of his to the

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 2>prestigious Mornington Peninsula Golf Club and then they removed him

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 2>after there was an uproar from the other golfers.

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 10>You couldn't resist, could you. I mean, he should have

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 10>asked my old golfing partner, Ray Hadley about this. He

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 10>would have loved it as well. Andrews first tried to

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 10>get into ports SA, as you know, I said that

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 10>I'd rip up my membership. Then all the members of

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 10>my golf club said we're not going to have him here.

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 10>He tried to go to the National Golf Club, which

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 10>is another prestigious golf club. They had a revolt on

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 10>their hands, so he got thrown out of there. So

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 10>his old mate, property developer by the name of Max Beck,

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 10>tried to pull a swiftye. So Max has gone a

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 10>corporate membership at this golf club. And on the corporate

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 10>membership of two names, one is Max Beck, the other

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 10>one was his wife. Now without imagine this, without telling

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 10>his wife, Max took her name off and put Dan

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 10>Andrews's name on. When the wife found out, she didn't

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 10>speak to Max for a week, not happy at all.

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 10>And then the members that Munarlynx blew up. And not

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 10>only that Munar Link's golf course share his own by

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 10>the Chinese. Once the Chinese saw the social media reaction

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 10>about Daniel Andrews teeing up on the first hole at

0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 10>moonar Lynx, they said, we're not going to wear this.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 10>So he's not playing golf there either. Thank god, he.

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Can't find a spot to play golf at all. I mean,

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that part about Max Beck saying that

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>effectively saying he doesn't want to play golf with his

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>wife anymore. Presumably that's what you know. Some couples dos

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 2>out at eighty prevent play golf with Dan Andrews.

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, golf politics.

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 10>You never ever know.

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>It's a whole other world. All right, Steve Price, thanks

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>so much. Now still to come, the new clear Scare

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 2>campaign has hit rock bottom without right lies from Albanezi,

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the Dutton once nuclear reactors in his own seat. James

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Patterson will give his reactions shortly. Plus political analysts who

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>say the national polls are wrong. Well, Cameron Milner and

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Carswell will join me after this quick break. Welcome back. Well,

0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>let's get straight into it with Bill Shotton's former chief

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>of staff and former Queensland Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and former Morrison pressek Andrew Carswell, who's also happened to

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 2>write an excellent piece in The Nightly Today about how

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the national polls are getting it wrong thanks to a

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>boost in the One Nation and trumpet of patriot preference flows. Andrew,

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 2>So you're writing that an increase could almost mirror the

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>impact of the Greens preferences to Labor and that this

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>dynamic isn't being picked up in the vast majority of

0:31:55.400 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>current polls. Can you tell us about how this could

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>impact on Peter Darton's chances at the election.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 14>Certainly there's going to be a massive shift in the

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 14>way that One Nation and Clive Palmer votes their preferences

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 14>will flow on to the coalition. In twenty twenty two

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 14>at the election, there was a sixty five flow on

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 14>effect to the coalition. The major parties are picking up

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 14>the fact that this could be as high as seventy

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 14>five percent this time around, and when you add that

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 14>to the fact that we're going to see a massive

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 14>vote for One Nation at this election, Newspot has it

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 14>at about eight percent. Add that in with the extra

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 14>vote that you'll get from Clive and his troop of Trumpeters,

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 14>and you're going to see an equivalent primary vote to

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 14>the Greens, perhaps for the first time, and that's pretty significant,

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 14>and that flow on effect to the coalition will give

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 14>it some opportunities to pick up seats that have usually

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 14>been out of reach for them. The problem with the

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 14>Coalition for many elections is that you need to get

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 14>to forty one forty two percent primary to be considered

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 14>a viable option to win that seat. With this preference shift,

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 14>it means that they can get to thirty four to

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 14>thirty five in some of these out of metro seats

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 14>and still be a chance of falling across the line

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 14>due to these preferences. So it really makes things interesting

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 14>on the night for Saturday. Certainly there's a massive, massive

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 14>hill to climb for the Coalition and Labor minority government

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 14>would be an outrageous favorite at this point in time.

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 14>But it's going to make things pretty tight, and it

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 14>could lead to the fact that you're going to see

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 14>potentially a doubling of what you would call a marginal

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 14>seat after this election, with many many seats sitting on

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 14>about one and a half to two percent margins.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really interesting because what you just said

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>there about you know, the traditional thinking that for the

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Coalition to win, I mean the primary, the Liberals primary

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 2>vote needs to be in the forties, needs to be

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>higher than forty percent. But I mean, I think kind

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>of garner the days when people just have the two

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>major parties really to choose from. Now there's this. You know,

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a litany of minor parties that are stealing the

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Conservative vote on the moderate vote, and it's the same

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>of course for Labor with the Greens as well. But

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 2>you just wonder whether the Liberals primary will ever be

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>back in the forties or if it is now going

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to be the case where one nation becomes a strong

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 2>force of its own. Cameron, what do you think here?

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that, like Andrew said, the national polls

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>aren't capturing what's unfolding in this contest.

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 15>No, I think today's article by Andrew is an excellent piece.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 15>It's a really good piece of analysis, Andrew, because forget

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 15>the national polls, where you know one nation can be

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 15>as high as ten ten and a half in you

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 15>govern essential it's where those one nation voters will occur.

0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 15>They occur in out of suburban seats and in regional cities,

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 15>which just happens to be we're all the really marginal

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 15>battleground seats are. So I think it's spot on in

0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 15>terms of the analysis that we'll be looking on election

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 15>night in four night's time exactly where those one nation

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.760
<v Speaker 15>preferences are going and at what rate they're going as well.

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 15>My only thing I think is that a lot of

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 15>those votes I we canned on the night, the pre

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 15>poll votes, as we've both said before Andrew, will be

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 15>more for traditional major party votes, so early in the night,

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 15>those one nation preference are going to be critical, and

0:35:20.719 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 15>so many seats like Hawk for instance, where Peter Dutton

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 15>was at Melton only just yesterday. Seats like Hawk could

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 15>see seven or eight percent swings against Labor. I mean

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 15>that's also down the local member being pretty bad, but

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 15>even so big swings and those out of metros and

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 15>one nation will help the coalition get much closer.

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's have a look at how the leaders are

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 2>spending the final days of the campaign, which seats they're

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 2>focusing on, because that does tell us a lot. Well,

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 2>since my day, the Prime Minister's made five stops in coalition,

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Green and independent seats that Labour's keen to pick up,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>so not just defending his own seats. Dutton has of

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 2>course been on the attack this entire time. He's visited

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 2>fifty one Labor House seat. Andrew, how do you view

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 2>their tactics.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 14>Well, you're always guided by the research in that last week.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 14>You go where your party tell you to go, and

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 14>that could be on the offensive but also the defensive

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:19.759
<v Speaker 14>as well. And I love the thinking at Liberal headquarters

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 14>at the moment where they're directing Peter to go. Cameron said,

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 14>you know he's been to Hawk, he's been to Gorton twice.

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 14>Gordon sits on about nine and a half percent. He's

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 14>been to Whitlam a few times as well, and there's

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 14>a lot of talk about that seat potentially coming into

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 14>play as well. Mikewen We've talked about. So there's you

0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 14>go on the attack, but there's also the bluff game

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.720
<v Speaker 14>as well, and that's we're seeing that from the Labour

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 14>side as well. We've seen them visit Bonner today and

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:53.879
<v Speaker 14>other seats in Brisbane suburbs that probably look like more

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 14>of a bluff than a reality at this stage that

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 14>they can pick up probably Brisbane and they can pick

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 14>up Griffith, but I think more than that is probably

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 14>pushing it.

0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's a.

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 14>Little bit of mind games, it's a little bit of

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 14>seas setting, and it's also a little bit of last

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 14>minute grab for that vote.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've been talking during this campaign about the

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Trump factor and how that has turned into quite a

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>negative for Peter Darton, one that was completely out of

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>his control. Well, today we saw Canada re elect its government.

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.879
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the most astounding political turnarounds, I mean,

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 2>considering where they were when Justin Trudeau resigned. So Prime

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Minister Mark Cartney has been re elected. Cameron, you know,

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 2>there's no question that in the Canadian election, Donald Trump

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.720
<v Speaker 2>was the deciding factor. I mean, he was constantly joking

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Canada should become America's fifty first state. He hit it

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 2>with tough tariffs. So obviously the effect is less in Australia,

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>but it is still a factor. How do you how

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>much impact do you think this has had on Darton.

0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 15>Well, I think if you share borders with toxic Trump,

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 15>you're going to get display. And obviously Trudeau's party was

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 15>gone for all money.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:03.959
<v Speaker 1>The Conservatives are.

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 15>Going to win the next election, and within a few

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.880
<v Speaker 15>months that's all flipped on its head and I think

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 15>even the Conservative leader might lose their seat tonight in Canada.

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 15>It's that bad for the Conservatives because of this toxicity

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 15>that Trump delivers to conservative politics. I think of the

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 15>further away you get, the more it's just a bit

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 15>of a distraction. But certainly during this campaign, Trump sucked

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 15>oxygen out of the cost of living debate and that

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 15>hurt the coalition.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>So even if it wasn't that the.

0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:28.439
<v Speaker 15>Labor kind of meme saying that that Dutton was Trump,

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 15>I think that was a bit cheap. The reality is

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 15>that we weren't talking about cost of living every day.

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 15>We were talking about Trump's tariffs and that was a

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 15>good day for Labor because it was one less day

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 15>they were talking about Labour's record.

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think just on the Canadian election, I think

0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 2>it's a pity for Pierre Polyivert because he did seem

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>like such. It is such a smart.

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 15>Leader leed for solo Ben Yes would.

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Have been a good prime minister. Now The Australian Today

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 2>had an interview with Andrew Charlton Labor and p for Paramatter,

0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 2>talking about his possible future on the Labor front bench. Now,

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the argument was put, and I think this is right

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that he has been held back. He's been sidelined by

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the Albanese government. And you do you think this is

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>because he's a threat to some of the front bench,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>because he is one of the most talented members and

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 2>many have for a long time thought he's prime ministerial material.

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's certainly in talent.

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 14>I think he knows it too. But look for your

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 14>first term MP, you've got to sit and by your time,

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 14>no one on the coalition side is elevated straight into

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 14>a cabinet or an out of ministry position. You do

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 14>your time. So I think his time will come and

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 14>he is a future leader, There's no doubt about that,

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 14>both in terms of his smarts but also his politics,

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 14>and he's appealed to the public as well. He is

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.719
<v Speaker 14>a potential statesman in the making. But the problem he's

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 14>got is there's no appetite at the moment for generational change.

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 14>So whatever happens in this election, no matter if Albaneze

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 14>has a bad goal or not, he's long. He's a

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 14>long way down the list of potential future leaders. There's

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 14>there's there's a whole swag of him on the right,

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 14>and it's the old guard that are going to come

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 14>between him and realizing his dream of becoming party leader.

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 2>We're running out of time and I quickly want to

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>get your view on this, Cameron just thirty seconds.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 15>So look, I think Charlton's a great talent, so so

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.760
<v Speaker 15>no doubt at all. I'd have him in the cabinet

0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 15>any other day than Tony Burke. I mean, Tony Burk's

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 15>been around for too long, his politics is too long

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 15>as well. He should go and Charlton should come in.

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.839
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. Tony burg should go and anyone should

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 2>come in. But yes, I think there is a lot

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>who are threatened by chartering. All right, Carara, Miana Andrew

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Carso I've got to get your predictions very quickly, Andrew.

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Who's going to win.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Labor minority?

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 14>But I think DUTs can get to sixty six sixty

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 14>seven and be competitive.

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Be competitive, So maybe hunk Carman say Andrew, yes, definitely.

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Look Albos.

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 15>Cameron and Albo's back as PM.

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Albos back at PM.

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Well, a lot of material to discuss

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 2>if he is, Thank you both so much. Now, still

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.320
<v Speaker 2>to calm the labor lined union officials pulling a stunt

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>at Dutton's campaign event. Well will the Prime Minister apologize

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:24.160
<v Speaker 2>for this? And James Patterson calls for the AFP and

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 2>AZO to investigate volunteers linked to Manique Ryan's campaign. He

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 2>joins me, that's James Patterson live next, welcome back. Well,

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 2>we know Labour's had a scare campaign on nuclear for

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>a while now, despite the fact that some thirty developed

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:46.760
<v Speaker 2>countries around the world rely on nuclear energy. But today

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it got ratched up or not. Here was Alban Easy

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and Jim Chalmers.

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 4>If we get the same swing that we got in

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 4>the twenty twenty two election, Ailey France will be elected

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:02.720
<v Speaker 4>the member for Dix the Saturday. Peter Dutton has gone

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 4>away from he's electorate. Not to it, Ali francis committed

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 4>to that electorate. What's more, Peter Dutton is now saying

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 4>that he wants a nuclear reactor in that electorate as well.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:18.800
<v Speaker 15>To make sure that we're not doing what Peter Dutton

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 15>wants to do, which is to build a nuclear reactor

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 15>in the suburbs of his local community.

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>And Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson joins me. Now, James,

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 2>is this a direct lie that Dutton is going to

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 2>have a nuclear reactor in Dixon.

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 9>It's one of the most blatant lies of the election campaign. Shari,

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 9>We've had a lie tracker on the Prime Minister for

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 9>the campaign. He's told a seven lies in just twenty

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 9>odd days. We hadn't set one up for Jim Chalmers,

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 9>but perhaps we should have because he'd be equal with

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 9>maybe even a head of the Prime Minister at this

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 9>point of the campaign. There is no nuclear facility proposed

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.760
<v Speaker 9>in Peter Dutton's electric of Dixon. There are no qualified

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 9>power stations in Peter Dutton's electorate of Dixon. That's the

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 9>place we're proposing to eventually transition nuclear power into and

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.239
<v Speaker 9>Jim Chalmers should be embarrassed and that he should be

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 9>better than that.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Clearly he is not.

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>It's quite egregious the scare campaigns, particularly when they are

0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 2>blatantly untrue. There's no indication there would be a nuclear

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>reactor in Dixon. Now, James, today you've called for the

0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 2>AFP and AZIO to investigate the allegations of possible foreign

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>interference in Minique Ryan's campaign. Why do you think this

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.240
<v Speaker 2>is potential foreign interference during an election campaign?

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 9>Well, sorry, this is a very troubling story broken by

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 9>Paul Skarl in the Age where he obtained a video

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 9>of volunteers on Monique Ryan's campaign wearing Menique Ryan t shirts,

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.279
<v Speaker 9>saying that they had been directed to campaign for her

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 9>by the president of the Hu Bay Association of Melbourne. Now,

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.320
<v Speaker 9>this Hubay Association is affiliated with the United Frontwork department

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 9>of the Chinese Communist Party, which Hijinping has described as

0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 9>the Chinese Communist Party's magic weapons into fear in democracies. So,

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 9>on the face of it, based on the facts are

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:05.880
<v Speaker 9>on the public record, it seems like a very clear

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 9>case of foreign interference. It must be investigated by ASIO

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 9>and the Australian Federal Police and it's up to them

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 9>to determine whether it meets the legal threshold. But it

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 9>is a very troubling development that the Nick Ryan has

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 9>not adequately explained. All she's done is refer herself to

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 9>the AAC and bizarrely the Department of Parliamentary Services have

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 9>no jurisdiction and no role in this, and attempted to

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 9>brush this under the carpet and play down it. But

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 9>it's very serious. We cannot have a foreign authoritarian government

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 9>involving themselves in elections in Australia. Only Australians can decide

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:37.440
<v Speaker 9>the outcome of Australian elections.

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I was speaking just earlier about the Canadian election today.

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Quite an astounding outcome. I mean it seemed for a

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 2>while there was no chance that the Trudeau, the Trudeau,

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 2>given how unpopular he was, that Mark Carney could have

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a chance. It seemed like Pierre Pierre Puliva just a

0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 2>couple of months ago had it in the bag. You

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a concern there's going to be a similar Trump effect

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:05.240
<v Speaker 2>with the coalition in this election.

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 9>Well, there's been one of the most dramatic reversals of

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 9>electro politics in any Western democracy that I've seen in

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 9>my lifetime, and probably much longer than that. It was

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.440
<v Speaker 9>only a few months ago that Pierre and the Conservatives

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 9>were twenty points ahead of the Canadian Liberals and Justin Trudeau,

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 9>and since then there has been a leadership change in

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.839
<v Speaker 9>the Canadian Liberals, but also obviously rhetoric from President Trump

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.320
<v Speaker 9>about Canada becoming the fifty first state and very significant

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 9>trade tariffs on Canada, and that has seemingly completely reversed

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 9>the fortunes of the long serving government that was starting

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 9>to become quite unpopular. So look, it's possible that there

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.840
<v Speaker 9>are factors like that playing out in this election. But

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 9>the truth is that Donald Trump is not on the

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 9>ballot in Australia. Only Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanesi are.

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 9>And the question we have to answer at the election

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 9>on the Saturday at the third of May is not

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 9>whether we like Donald Trump or not, but whether or

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 9>not we think our Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi will be

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 9>any better in his second term on issues like the

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 9>cost of living than he was in his first term.

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 9>And if you think he did a good job in

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 9>his first term. I think he's going to be even

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 9>more disappointed in what he does in his second term

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 9>because cost of living will be up even further under

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 9>an albert ezy Band's Labor Green.

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Government, especially with this warning from SMP that is highly

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 2>concerning that the Prime Minister seemed to scoff and just

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>dismiss last night. I mean, do you think that was

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 2>an appropriate response from the Prime minister to mock a

0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>ratings agency that is nonpartisan, that is highly credible globally.

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 9>It was childish and it was desperate, and it was

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 9>beneath the office of Prime Minister to not heed the

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 9>warning by a respected international ratings agency that says the

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 9>Prime Minister's reckless spending, his ten years of planned deficits,

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.120
<v Speaker 9>his plan to reach one point two trillion dollars of debt,

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 9>is going to have severe consequences for our ratings. The

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 9>reason why those ratings are really important, Charry, is that

0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 9>if we get downgraded, that means interest rates will be

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 9>That means every Australian will pay even more on their

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.200
<v Speaker 9>mortgage than they have during the first term of the

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 9>Albanesi government. And for him to so glibly dismiss It

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 9>just captures why labor can't be trusted to manage the economy.

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 9>They are not up to this task and life will

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 9>become more expensive in the second term of an Alberanzi

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 9>government should.

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 1>He get there.

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:22.320
<v Speaker 2>But also that rudeness mocking the analysts at a global

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 2>global ratings agency. I mean, as I said earlier, if

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>they were lying boling a decision, I mean that would

0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>push them over the edge. Given how Coalition treasurers have

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>actually traveled to New York to work with them and

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>explain their economic plan with them in the past, it's

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 2>just really jeopardizing the national interest, right, James Patterson, thank

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you so much for your time. Now, don't go anywhere.

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Right after the break, we'll talk about the deteriorating state

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 2>of Australia's political landscaped landscape, Stay tuned. A teenager has

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>been charged after an attack on Peter Dutton's office during

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>this election campaign. The eighteen year old was allegedly behind

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the vandalism. His doors, windows and walls smeared with red paint.

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>In the third time that Dutton's office has been targeted,

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.959
<v Speaker 2>and as you know, he's had serious threats against him

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>as well. And this is the sacrifice he's making to

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 2>run as opposition leader, to try and make our country better. Now,

0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:27.279
<v Speaker 2>there was another hijacking of Dutton's campaign event as well

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 2>in Gilmour today, anti nuclear protesters dressed up in hazmat

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>suits and Dutton was there to announce upgrades to the

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 2>football club. The local junior team were present. Children. Now

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<v Speaker 2>this is what he's having to put up with. Will

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezie apologize for it? I wouldn't hold my breath and

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<v Speaker 2>right now for a conversation that Albanese doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>courage to have, he is Paul Murray with Peter Dutton