WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 15 August 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:04.640 Live on Skyins Australia. 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.400 This is to Nika de Georgio. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.720 Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:15.720 More week Rhetoric from a week Prime Minister Anthony Arbernizi 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.400 calls for Hamas to be isolated, isolating hermus How about 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.840 destroying Hamas alarming you figures on the housing crisis as 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.800 big Australia keeps getting bigger and d day for Russia. 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.960 Donald Trump to meet Vladimir Putin in Alaska shortly but 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:33.680 first tonight. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:35.839 Today marks eighty years since. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.840 The end of World War II victory in the Pacific, 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.400 when Japan accepted the terms of surrender. Almost one million 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:48.600 Australians served in the conflict. Almost forty thousand never came home. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.360 They carried our values and freedoms on their shoulders as 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.080 they fought for this country, and we'll never forget their 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.960 courage and bravery. I wonder now, though, a years later, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.640 how our brave soldiers would feel to hear our Prime 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.640 minister has also been praised for his courage, but by 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.400 a terror group. Not only has Hamas praised Labour this 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.880 week for its recognition of a Palestinian state, but it 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.720 did the same last month when Australia joined other nations 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.600 in calling on Israel to end the war in Gaza. 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.760 Anthony Albanezi is now on the same side as Hamas 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.200 of the enemy, not the side fighting for values and 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.520 freedom like our brave soldiers did. And this should worry 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:38.600 all of us. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.600 Especially as Australia faces its. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:45.520 Most challenging strategic environment since the end of World War II. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.200 In fact, we heard it just this week in the 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.680 excellent Sky News special hosted by Chris Yulman the War Room. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.280 A strategic outlook in the region is deteriorating rather markedly. 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.480 The second fact is the warning time and we can 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.320 expect for a threat is growing much shorter. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.120 Oh, we should certainly be worried. And I think the 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.600 point to bring out is this is not a story 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.240 about the twenty thirties. Our concern needs to be in 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.960 the second half of this decade. 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.440 And given the perilous times we are in, what's even 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.280 more perilous is Anthony Alberanizi. 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.520 Is in charge of our fortunes. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.600 Eighty years ago Australia worked side by side in battle 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.280 with our ally, the United States, and eighty years later 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:31.799 we are. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.960 Shifting our foreign policy even. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.000 Further away from the US, and we have now been 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.440 given the most clearest indication yet into just how fractured 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:42.840 the relationship is. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.600 Mike Huckabee, the US Ambassador to Israel. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.280 Says he has discussed Labour's decision to recognize a Palestinian 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.080 state with US President Donald Trump and Secretary of State 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.880 Marco Rubio, and here was the response. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:02.520 Well, the US is disappointed that the nations like Australians 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.880 and others, have decided to pick this particular time to 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:12.440 unilaterally recognize second state. I think it's the timing has 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.919 been very hurtful to any prospects of negotiating some settlement 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.320 in Gaza with Hamas. There's an enormous level of disappointment 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.720 and some discussed. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:30.040 Disappointment and disgust. That is very strong language from our 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.840 number one Ally. We need the US for security, we 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.560 need the US and the event of war, and that 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.440 is how little they think of this government. And to 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.280 make it even worse, labor did not even give the 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.800 US a heads up before it made its announcement. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.320 There was no communication with the United States. As Israel's 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.960 closest partner, we would have expected that there would have 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.120 been some heads up, there wasn't. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.720 And yet the Prime ministere stuff today thought nothing of it. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.360 Israel, of course had a right to defend itself, we 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.280 said that, but how it defends itself also matters. We 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.240 said that at the time, and clearly what we have 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:19.200 seen is more and more conflict, more and more innocent 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:24.400 lives lost, and you need to have a break of 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:25.120 the cycle. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.960 What the Prime Minister seems to not understand is that 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.080 when a country is attacked, it has a duty to 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:36.000 defend itself and protect its citizens. That is what Israel 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.480 is doing, That's what we helped do eighty years ago. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.240 But of course that goes against the PM's childhood dream 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:48.520 of a Palestinian state, and again his rhetoric just rewards 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.280 him us. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.560 You break the circle of violence by isolating Hamas, by 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.320 not continuing to just do what has been happening over 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.240 the last since October. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:10.400 Seven, isolating Hamas. How about destroying and eliminating Hamas, destroying terror, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:14.640 destroying a group that threatens our values, not isolating them. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.000 This is just more weak, merely mouthed rhetoric from a 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.400 weak Prime minister. And it's not just Labour's reckless and 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:26.839 morally bankrupt decision to recognize Palestine. But it's also Anthony 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.839 Albanesi's obsession with China that's worrying our number one ally 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.679 in these perilous times. The Prime Minister is best friends 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.560 with the communist regime of China, having gone out of 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.160 his way to appease Beijing while shrugging off its blatant 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.880 displays of intimidation, whether it be the live fire exercises. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.760 Or spy ships on our coast. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:51.720 And China goes against everything our soldiers fought against, tyranny 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.160 and aggression. Yet they've got their lapdog elbow exactly where 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.760 they want him. He prioritized a visit to China ahead 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:01.919 of a is it to Washington, DC to meet with 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.520 Donald Trump. His recent John Curtin oration promoting independence from 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.920 the United States caught the hour of the White House. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.000 The Orcus Pact is of course. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.080 Under threat, and Labor has shrugged its shoulders at the 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.359 US request for US to lift defense spending. So you 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:21.599 can't blame the Trump administration for questioning Australia, a once 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.279 reliable and strong ally in what are as I said 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.680 the most challenging times in eighty years. I mean, we 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:32.440 would be screwed if war was to come to our doorstep. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.400 But Anthony Albanezi is unreliable. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.800 He's an unreliable ally and an unreliable partner on the 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:40.960 world stage. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.120 The PM is a fool not to. 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.560 Be ensuring that we are in lockstep with the United States. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.280 Albo may talk. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.280 The talk when it comes to the alliance, but he 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:54.359 could not care less it doesn't suit his socialist agenda. 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.359 If our World War II heroes could only see what 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.600 this country has become under this dangerous Prime Minister. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:08.920 Let's get into it now. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.760 Joining me is Shadow Cabinet Secretary Andrew Wallace. 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.800 Andrew, thank you so much for joining me. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.880 I want to start by getting your reaction to Mike Huckabee, 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.280 the US ambassador to Israel, saying that there's an enormous 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.160 level of disappointment and some discussed by the White House 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.840 to Australia's recognition of Palestine. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.880 Well, Deniko, Mike Huckabee is a professional diplomat. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:34.120 He is the. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.280 Representative of the United States in Israel. Diplomats use this 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:45.080 sort of language generally to be talking about the United States, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:51.280 our closest ally being disappointed and disgusted in a decision 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.440 that was made by the Australian government. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:58.080 This is new ground. The United States is our most. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:03.840 Important ally and Anthony Albanezi is consistently throwing dirt in 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.560 the face of the US government. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.240 We all know that elbow. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:12.160 The Prime Minister doesn't like President Trump. He said repeatedly 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.880 that he is scared of President Trump. But the job 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:21.040 of the Prime Minister, his first responsibility is to keep 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:26.880 Australian safe. The Australian Alliance, the US Alliance has stood 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.880 the test of time for many decades now, and this 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.920 Prime Minister is trashing the alliance. He is going out 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.960 of his way to destroy the alliance with the United 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:45.120 States and our forefathers. The men and women that fought 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.720 in World War II that we are recognizing today the 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.960 eightieth anniversary would be turning in their graves. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.360 My grandfather would be turning in his grave. He served 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:56.040 in the Pacific. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.400 I grew up with my grandfather consistently saying to me, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.000 thank God for the X because if we didn't have 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.679 the Americans that came and assisted us in nineteen forty one, 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.120 then we would have stood very little chance in repelling 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.680 the Japanese imperial forces. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.360 I absolutely agree with you, and now we've got a 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.960 situation where our Prime minister is actually on the side 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.760 of terror, not the side of the country. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.960 It's we live in very, very concerning times right now. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.000 I just played this response by the Prime Minister today 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.000 when he was talking about Hamas. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.760 But let's play it again. Have a listen. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:39.199 You break the circle of violence by isolating Hamas, by 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.960 not continuing to just do what has been happening over 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.640 the last since October seven. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:53.240 Andrew, he's talking there about isolating him, not destroying it. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.280 Why is he so weak in his language when it 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:57.400 comes to this terror group. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.280 Well, Danika, the Prime Minister saw a couple of weekends 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.600 ago one hundred thousand people walk across Sydney Harbor Bridge and. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:09.880 He saw this as well. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.640 This is in his view, there was no better time 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.840 to recognize our Palestindian state. This was their opportunity to 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.920 seize that time. But what he didn't take into account 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.400 is the white hot rage that Australians are now feeling 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:31.760 that this Prime Minister has gone against decades long of 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:38.680 bipartisanship foreign policy. Look, this is if it wasn't so serious, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.600 this would be laughable. This is like two sophomores in 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:50.080 university playing university politics between Penny Wong and the Prime Minister. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.600 I cannot believe that the Prime Minister. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.160 In a time like this, where we are at our. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.680 Most geo strategically challenging period since nineteen forty five, and 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.400 the Prime Minister is consistently trying to trash the US alliance. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.560 This is a long held ambition of the Prime Minister 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.640 to recognize the Palestinian state. We should have no surprise 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.800 about that because it's been Labor Party platform for a 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.800 long time. But it is now costing us, or has 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.640 the risk of costing us. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.640 Our relationship with the United States. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:26.199 It beggars belief. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.960 Yeah, and eighty years ago we stood side by side 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:29.920 with the United States. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.920 Yet here we are in twenty twenty five. Andrew Wallace, always. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.440 Appreciate your time. We've got to leave it there. Enjoy 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.040 the markets. Looks like it's a fun night behind you. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.640 All right, Let's move on now. Today is d Day 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.320 for Russia. All eyes are on Alaska as Vladimir Putin 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.080 sits down with Donald Trump for a peace summit to 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.160 end the war in Ukraine. The stakes could not be 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.840 higher now. I, like many I'm hopeful, but I have 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.920 my doubts. Firstly, Ukraine President Voladimir is Aelenski won't even 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.200 be there because he was not invited. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.400 He won't be in the room. He won't be. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.920 Able to argue for Ukraine, and the fate of his 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.480 country is basically being left to a dictator who is 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.439 at war with his country as well as the security 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.679 of Europe. It will rely on Putin making concessions, which 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.160 he has already indicated he's not willing to do. The 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.120 only hope, of course, is that Donald Trump can pull 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.480 this off, but it also requires him to come through 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.760 on his threat to punish Russia severely if it does. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.360 Not end this war. Now. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.800 Trump has absolutely amped up his rhetoric against Russia in 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.520 recent months. I would say it's been checkered rhetoric. It 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.160 hasn't always been tough, but he can't fold to Putin 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.560 as the only other man in this summit. He knows 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.320 the art of the deal, but this deal has a 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.520 lot riding on it. If Trump can do this, then 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.640 I say he absolutely deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. Johny 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.719 Now for more on this is Michael Shoebridge from Strategic 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.800 Analysis Australia. Michael, thanks for joining me. It's all about 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.880 these concessions. Who will fold first. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.800 Well, the first thing I'd say is no one knows 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.360 what the outcome of these talks are going to be, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.280 So anyone that tells you they know, I would not 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.240 listen to them any further. But concessions, well, I think 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.240 Putin's going into this very clear about what he wants, 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.080 and he's already got two big things. So the first 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.040 thing he wanted was to pause Trump's sanctions on Russian oil. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.600 He's achieved that. The second thing he wanted was a 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.520 face to face meeting with the American president on American soil, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.439 because that's an enormous propaganda coup for him. What he 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.560 loved to do is split Trump and Zelensky again, and 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.720 he knows he can because he's done it before. And 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.439 he really wants to talk about everything but the war, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:02.480 particularly big business deals between Russia and America, and his 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.439 wildest dream is to get Trump to help him end 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.480 the war on Russian terms. So Putin's very clear what 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.320 he wants. I think the good news is Donald Trump 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.240 is a bit clearer going into this than we might. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.360 Have expected a week ago. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.240 Because he's spent the week caucusing with European leaders and 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.080 with President Zelensky of Ukraine. He didn't do that before 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.440 he met Putin last time. But yes, the risk is 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.440 Trump gives a way too much to try and get 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.880 a deal, and that risks handing Russia a victory that 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.479 no aggressor should be receiving. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.040 Well, exactly, and this is just the thing. 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.280 Though overnight, Donald Trump did raise the possibility of even 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.400 offering Putin economic incentives to end the war in Ukraine. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.640 He says, though he's confident of peace, have a listen 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:51.960 to this. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.440 The more important meeting will be the second meeting that 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.160 we're having. We're going to have a meeting with President Putin, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.880 President Zolenski, myself, and maybe we'll bring some of the 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.720 European leaders or maybe not. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.680 It's I don't know that. It's going to be very important. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:10.840 We're going to see what happens. And I think President 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.760 Putin will make peace. I think Presidents Olynsky will make peace. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.320 We'll see if they can get along, and if they can, 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.720 it'll be great. If I weren't president, in my opinion, 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.560 he would much rather take off take over all of Ukraine. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.480 But I am president and he's not going to mess 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:28.880 around with him. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.640 Michael, I guess if Russia doesn't come to the table 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:32.880 on this. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.400 I know that Trump's confident, but if Russia doesn't come 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.840 to the table, how much does Trump have to then 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.240 make good on his threat to impose significant sanctions on Russia. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.840 Well, I think we'd all like to see President Trump 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.880 follow through on those sanctions because they're what's brought putin 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.520 to the table. So you know, if what is the 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.600 most likely outcome here, which is they come out of 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:02.080 it with vague commitments to keep talking, no ceasefire, and 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.520 the war continues, then that's the moment Trump needs to 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.680 follow through on the sanctions, and I think that's the 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.600 most likely outcome. The best outcome is they agree to 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:19.520 agree a broad ceasefire that starts almost immediately, they freeze 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:23.600 the conflict and they begin real negotiations, But I don't 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.200 see that as a likely outcome. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.880 Well, gee, all eyes are going to be on this meeting. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.920 There's so much at stake here, it's just so important, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.400 so will be watching it so closely. Michael, I just 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.000 want to talk to you today. Marks, of course, eighty 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.520 years since the end of World War II. We have 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.000 stood by the US side by side in every conflict, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.720 and now this relationship is being tested, even just this week, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.160 of course, through the recognition of Palestine. 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.880 That's frustrated the Trump administration. Further. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.160 I wonder eighty years later how our brave soldiers would 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.480 feel to hear that our own prime minister has been 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.400 praised for his courage but by a terror group. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:02.080 What do you think? 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.720 Well, look, I think it was very predictable that Hamas 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.719 was going to celebrate what mister Albanezi is doing, and 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:15.280 the idea that the government approach to the conflict in 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.840 Gaza is somehow isolating Hamas is just magical, deluded thinking 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:25.080 thinking Hamas has got an enormous boost out of countries 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.639 that said hadn't said they were going to recognize a 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:33.320 ballastin instead moving to do that and isolating Israel. I 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.639 think this looks bad in Washington, but also in history. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:43.240 You're right, Australian policy is usually more than meaningless words 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:44.040 and gestures. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.960 Yeah, look, I completely agree with you, Michael Schubridge. We 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:49.760 have to leave it there. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.760 Thank you so much for joining me on the show 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:56.800 as always, and now to premiere justinto Allan's worrying and 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.879 disturbing attack on free speech and freedom of the after 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.719 being asked by a journalist about Victorian curriculum that teaches 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.720 children as young as five that their biological sex may 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.720 not align with their gender. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.840 Identity five years old. Would you believe here she was yesterday? 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:19.400 Have a listen. That's just nonsense. It's disgraceful nonsense. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:25.480 Like, seriously, this sort of ongoing attack on a program 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.919 that is making a difference in kids' lives just should 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.120 be stopped. It should be stopped. It's disgraceful reporting. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.879 And it seems her response was actually a carbon copy 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:39.000 of her predecessor. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.719 And be very clear about something. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.560 Trans kids are fifteen times more likely to self harm. 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.440 Transgender kids are fifteen times more likely to kill themselves. 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:55.840 Two peas in a pod joining me now is Giggle founder 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:56.600 Sal Grover. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:57.879 So good to see you. 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.480 Jacinta Allen is attacking fair and honest reporting about what 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.359 is going on in schools in her state on an 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.040 issue that every parent should be concerned about. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:07.920 What does this say? 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.000 Well, I think she might have actually said the client 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.280 part out loud and might not have known that, and 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.400 more than likely probably doesn't realize it. She doesn't want 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.840 people to know what's actually going on. She's attacking the 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:22.680 reporting of it. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:23.400 Now. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.800 This is something that's happened all the time with gender ideology. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.399 They have done everything in stealth, everything in darkness, and 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.600 the moment there is light shone on it, they get very, 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.040 very angry, whether it's with me being punished, whether it's 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.479 with the lacks of Curele Smith today lost an appeal 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.200 to have an ebo overturned, purely because she was bringing 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.560 attention to the fact that men were playing in women's 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.159 sporting teams. They do not like it when there is 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.879 a tension on how nonsense. Their ideology is as simple 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:53.159 as that. 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.680 Yeah, I mean, and you know all about that. 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.760 You know all about what it's like when your own 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.240 freedom of speech is suppressed and you take and to 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:01.160 court because of it. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:02.800 I just found it fascinating. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.359 Like her predecessor Dan Andrews, they're both very quick and 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.160 keen to jump to this alarmist suicide narrative to push 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:14.399 gender ideology on miners. What evidence is there even to 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.800 suggest that this gender affirm and care reduces the risk 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:18.959 of suicide in children? 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.000 None? None, I mean the journalists that asked her the question, 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.959 did mention the CAST report, which just Into Alan just 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:32.719 so ignorantly dismissed. The evidence is actually that it going 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.400 through brutal surgeries and cross sex womens on confused, vulnerable, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.720 scared children. Actually that's what actually increases it. That's what 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.560 the CAST report found. If just Into Alan actually cares 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:52.639 about vulnerable people and their distressed minds, she looked to 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.480 the detransitioners, the young people who have gone through this 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.760 pipeline of social affirmation and then hormones and surgery, and 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.760 then realized it there was some mistake in the state 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.159 that they are in at the moment. Mel Jeffries is 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.439 a very brief woman in Victoria who's speaking out constantly. 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.439 She's a detransitioner and she wants to bring attention to it, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.400 and the likes of just Into Alan will not acknowledge her. 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.119 So this isn't about caring about kids or minorities or 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.320 anything like that. This is about pushing an ideology that 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.679 around the world is falling apart, but for some reason 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.520 Australia and specifically Victoria are just holding on for dear life, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.199 thinking that Australia is going to be different. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:33.720 We're not. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.399 I guarantee you that eventually, just into Alan will pretend 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.480 she never said anything that she said in that interview. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:40.640 She'll pretend it never happened. 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.480 Oh, that wouldn't surprise me. It's the usual whitewashing. And 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:49.159 my concern Sally's how many parents would even have known 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.000 that this was part of the curriculum for five year 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.240 olds until it was exposed in the Australian newspaper yesterday. 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.240 I mean, once again we're saying that parents are being 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:04.280 left in the by this gender indoctrination exactly. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.520 I think that this is a warning for all parents 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.320 in Australia. Wherever you are, it is your duty and 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.280 responsibility to find out what your children are being taught. 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.280 I have a three year old. When I was enrolling 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:22.040 her to go to kindergarten, that was my first question. 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.639 Is this involved in the curriculum? Now I was promised 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.359 that it wasn't a can't be guarantee, but you can 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.360 actually put it on your child's file that you don't 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.600 want them taught any of this stuff and so that 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:36.400 if it is going to be taught, they're not there 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:37.280 when it happens. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:38.880 Whether that's the. 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.080 Way you want to go about it, or if you 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.000 want to take it further and actually try and pull 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.720 this from the curriculum. Something actually has to be done, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.480 because this would be the equivalent if it wasn't so 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:53.720 serious of teaching children that star signs were real and 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.760 meant something. Now, you can believe in star signs if 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.560 you want, they can be a bit of fun whatever. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.320 You can believe in gender identities if you want, well, 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.240 that's fine. But if you're pushing them in the education 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.560