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Speaker 1: Oh hello, welcome to Healthy. Thanks for joining us on

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Speaker 1: this Body and Soul podcast. I am Felicity Halley, and yes,

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Speaker 1: in the hot seat today is our digital editor Holly Belkman,

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Speaker 1: and we are chatting through the three hottest stories in

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Speaker 1: the health and wellness world, well the ones from this week.

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Speaker 2: Holly, Hello, good morning, welcome to helly is thank you?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I am tranquil?

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Speaker 2: Wow. I don't think I've ever been tranquil in my life.

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Speaker 2: What's that like? Well, I just stepped on It's freaking great.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna last for long though. No, I just

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Speaker 1: stepped off the plane because I was up at eating

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Speaker 1: health retreat for a couple of days, which was glorious.

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Speaker 1: But the reason that I am tranquil is because you

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Speaker 1: couldn't access your phones.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, were you completely off grid off greed?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Or you could walk down to the bottom house

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Speaker 1: and get a bit so I could call the kids.

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Speaker 2: But a bit shameful though, well taken care that I

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Speaker 2: called them anyway, But it was I think that was

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Speaker 2: that was a revelation. Wow. What was the best part

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Speaker 2: of the retreat?

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Speaker 1: The food delicious and the nature like it's right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of nature and being an urban eite, I

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Speaker 1: think when you get out in nature, you actually hear

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Speaker 1: the bird song wow, and see the water dropping off

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Speaker 1: the leaves of the trees, and just really immerse yourself

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Speaker 1: in well, the healing power of nature.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really went and touched some grass and reconnected.

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Speaker 1: I put my bare feet on the grass.

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Speaker 2: She's back, guys, Okay, how are you? I'm well. I

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Speaker 2: got only four hours of sleep last night, so I'm

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Speaker 2: like alive and kicking today. How come I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because I drank champagne last night and

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Speaker 2: it always affects my sleep, so I work up at five,

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Speaker 2: which is not cute for me.

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Speaker 1: Were you not analized you know that kind of well,

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Speaker 1: kids especially get that in that wide zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, dish it up for us.

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Speaker 1: What's happening this week?

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Speaker 2: So my favorite story of the week is a story

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Speaker 2: written by my friend Ali Moore, who was diagnosed with

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Speaker 2: triple negative breast cancer last year at age twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: so young.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we had doctor Kelly much more on last week listeners.

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Speaker 1: I will leave link to that in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: Talking about the rising young women and cancer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a lot about this, but yeah, so the

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Speaker 2: headline of this one is to the woman who got

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Speaker 2: breast cancer, it's not your fault. And as she writes

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Speaker 2: in the piece, when Ali was diagnosed, she was asked

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Speaker 2: by so many people what caused her cancer, to which

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Speaker 2: the answer is obviously nothing that she did. And her

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Speaker 2: doctors said that to her too, They were like, it's

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Speaker 2: just shit, lug. And it was really crazy to read

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Speaker 2: some of the things that people said to her throughout

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Speaker 2: her cancer treatment and when she was diagnosed, which included

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Speaker 2: blaming birth control, asking if she'd been through major trauma

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Speaker 2: in her life, and one person even said, perhaps you

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Speaker 2: rejected your divine feminine energy for the cause of breast cancer,

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Speaker 2: which is just like the hope she differended that person,

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Speaker 2: I hope she did as well, and like, obviously we

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Speaker 2: don't know what causes many cancers like breast cancer, particularly

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Speaker 2: if you don't have a family history, but as humans,

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Speaker 2: we feel this kind of need to figure out why

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Speaker 2: something happened so we can distinguish ourselves from that threat

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Speaker 2: and almost so we can feel safe and like it

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Speaker 2: won't happen to us. And as she wrote, the question,

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Speaker 2: the woman was really asking, is what Ali did that

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Speaker 2: she didn't that led to her getting So.

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Speaker 1: What should I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get breast exactly, which is like this,

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Speaker 2: you know, safety seeking mechanism, but like at what cost?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's an awful thing to ask someone. I know.

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Speaker 1: This is not as doctor Kelly said, like breast cancer

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Speaker 1: is just bad luck.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible luck. And I love this paragraph that Ali

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Speaker 2: wrote that I'll read really quickly. She said, did I

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Speaker 2: drink too much at university? Yes, but no more than

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Speaker 2: my friends. I didn't get enough sleep, but nobody at

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Speaker 2: law school did I love to bake, but never consumed

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Speaker 2: an excessive amount. I never took party drugs. I was

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Speaker 2: a healthy weight. I exercised three or four times a week.

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Speaker 2: I ate a healthy diet full of vegetables. So what

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Speaker 2: did I do? And I just like it grips my

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Speaker 2: heart reading that and the answer is nothing. But the

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Speaker 2: piece really goes into this kind of blame we placed,

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Speaker 2: particularly on women to justify and almost defend themselves against

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Speaker 2: their own illnesses. So yeah, it's a really fantastic read.

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Speaker 2: I recommend you read it. And she is she she

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Speaker 2: is cancer free. It's incredible, great News. Yeah, so give

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Speaker 2: it a read. It's a really beautiful piece. Well I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure a segue into the next one not possible,

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Speaker 2: but not possible, so I'll just fire away. I came

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Speaker 2: across this study that, no doubt will be all interested

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Speaker 2: to hear more about which is healthier one drink a

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Speaker 2: day or a few on the weekend. Do you think

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Speaker 2: I would say few on the weekend, Probably because then

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Speaker 2: you've got longer between no drinks.

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Speaker 1: Or you're smart. Holy well, thanks to the folks at

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Speaker 1: the Austulasian Professional Society on Alcohol and Other Drugs, we

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Speaker 1: now have an answer. So the researchers pulled together data

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Speaker 1: a meta analysis published in the Drug and Alcohol Review

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Speaker 1: from five large scale studies to see if daily drinking

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Speaker 1: or consuming that same amount of alcohol but taking a

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Speaker 1: few days off in between, was linked to a higher

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Speaker 1: risk of liver cirrhosis. Now that, of course, is the

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Speaker 1: severe and permanent scarring of the liver.

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Speaker 2: Yikes, so you are right.

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Speaker 1: It turns out a drinker day so regular nightcap is

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Speaker 1: much worse than the same amount of drinks on one

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Speaker 1: particular day.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so the nightly glass of red wine for antioxidants

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Speaker 2: is actually doing no one any favors.

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Speaker 1: No, it's doing more harm than it. Turns out, those

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Speaker 1: who drank daily had a seventy one percent higher risk

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Speaker 1: of liver cerrosis. That was in men, and in women

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Speaker 1: it was a fifty six percent higher risk over a

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Speaker 1: period of ten to twenty one years compared to non

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Speaker 1: daily drinkers. So the researchers basically concluded that the consistent

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Speaker 1: exposure to toxic substances in daily drinkers might explain why

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Speaker 1: they are more likely to develop cirrhosis.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so fifty six percent, it's a lot. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So sorry, that was fifty six for women, seventy.

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Speaker 2: For men.

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Speaker 1: So you're better off. Drinking well on the weekend. Gives

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Speaker 1: you liver time to recover, as you said, and it

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Speaker 1: almost gives it a break from the ongoing toxic load. Now.

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Speaker 1: The researchers of this study also noted that avoiding binge

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Speaker 1: drinking occasions is still the most important fact in protecting

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Speaker 1: yourself from cerhosis. Of course, not drinking at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ideal outcome is the ideal outcome. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: to alcohol, less is best, So that means maybe less

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Speaker 1: alcohol less amount of times per month. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: not saying don't drink it because you know, always love

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Speaker 1: my aprol spirts, but of course, just maybe a few

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's good because then you won't have four

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Speaker 2: hours of sleeping in the middle of the week like

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Speaker 2: me because you had champagne.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're doing well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, most click story of the week. Our top

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Speaker 2: story for the week was is breakup sex ever really

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Speaker 2: a good idea?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, of course it is. But it's definitely

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Speaker 2: a kind of trope we see in pop culture and

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Speaker 2: many people do fall for the allure of an X.

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Speaker 2: But is it actually a good idea? Okay, no, we

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Speaker 2: asked our sex oloist, who said yes and no. Actually

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Speaker 2: I know. I was like, okay, more license to license

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Speaker 2: to killed than we thought. It's quite situational, of course,

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Speaker 2: and for some it can be, you know, an active closure,

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Speaker 2: and for others it's like ripping open old wound. So

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Speaker 2: her tips making work for you. One, prepare for the

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Speaker 2: emotional fallout. Two talk about it first, and three know

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Speaker 2: that you are prolonging the inevitable.

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Speaker 1: Well famous last words, right, sleep with caution people, Halley,

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Speaker 1: see you next week. Bye, And of course I will

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Speaker 1: leave a link to all of those stories in the

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Speaker 1: show notes, plus a link to doctor Kelly's interview about

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Speaker 1: well why more young women are getting breast cancer. If

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