WEBVTT - Sharri | 30 January 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:01.760 Why. 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:07.920 On Sky News this is Sharry. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:11.840 Good Evening Tonight, I'll exclusively reveal the two targets of 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:17.280 the caravan filled with explosives. These targets will send shock waves. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:17.919 Through the community. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.680 So far, police and politicians have refused to tell you 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.599 the intended targets, but we believe you deserve to know. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:27.440 That's in just a moment. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.800 Also tonight, the Prime Minister slammed for going on the 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.640 Kyle and Jackie Oh Show instead of taking major action 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.720 on this wave of anti Semitic terror. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:39.760 The Prime Minister was nowhere to be. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:44.080 Seen, and David Ossi will join me to discuss this. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.479 As parents awoke to yet more anti Semitic graffiti now 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.920 on a schoolgate, Jewish leaders are calling for twenty four 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.840 hour police outside of schools, and Rabbi Levi Wolf will 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.920 join me in studio at this time of fear and anxiety. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.840 Also on the show tonight, we'll bring you the latest 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.160 from that tragic plane crash in Washington, where first responders 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.440 are now searching for survivors, and breaking news as we 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.200 go to air. Three more hostages have been released by 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.560 her must to the Red Crossing Gaza. A Gumberger was 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.520 once again paraded on stage. She has just moments ago 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.120 been reunited in Israel. We'll come back to all of 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.840 that in a moment, but let's start now with the 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.120 major breaking news. I can tonight reveal the two targets 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:36.600 of the caravan filled with explosives. The addresses written down 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:41.120 inside the caravan were of the Great Synagogue in Sydney 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:48.200 and the Sydney Jewish Holocaust Museum. To think perpetrators would 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:53.760 have potentially targeted a museum commemorating the Holocaust, a time 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.680 when six million Jews were killed, is truly horrifying. This 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:04.040 is a museum to educate the public, to educate future generations, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.520 and to honor the memories of those lost, and to 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.919 make sure that antisemitism never happens again. Now, that second 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.240 address inside the caravan, my sources tell me, is the 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.200 Great Synagogue. This is a beautiful temple in the heart 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.919 of Sydney's CBD, a synagogue I know well. I had 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.640 my butt mits for there and my parents were married there. Now, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.640 these targets, this is information the police haven't released publicly, 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.720 but we think you have the right to know. The 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:41.040 more information we know, the more the Jewish community can 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.760 protect themselves. David Ossif is on my show tonight and 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:51.119 he confirms that no Jewish community or security organizations were 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.640 told about this terror threat before the Daily Telegraph broke 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.120 the news yesterday. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.639 But the first we had specific information about this incident 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.720 was when the Daily Telegraph article was published. 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.359 And the Prime Minister, Anthony Albinizi is now facing questions 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.840 about what he knew and when, and he's under pressure 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.840 for his I mean, it's too soft a word to 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:19.440 say inadequate, but his inadequate handling of this wave of 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:24.640 anti Semitic terror in our country. He joked around on 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:29.200 a talkback radio station, an FM radio station instead of 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.040 holding a major press conference. First thing this morning, he 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.160 went on Kyle and Jackie O's show, where the first question. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.760 Was what does the Prime Minister do on Christmas Day? 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.960 He could have come out or even come on here 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.480 on Sky News and answered tough questions about this wave 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.760 of domestic terror, but instead he chose to go on 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.440 a lighthearted breakfast radio show. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:57.720 But you don't even wake up on Christmas Day and 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.520 we'll get ur undies and just have a look what's 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.160 under the tree. There's none of that for you. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.960 Did you fly home straight after and spend it with the. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.960 Family or none of that. Look it was Jodie came 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.320 up with me, So it was, and the Governor General 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.800 was there. It was one of the best things I 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:22.160 have done in my life because I've done heaves well 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.480 well that that could get both of us in trouble, 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.920 particularly me, well, yes, yes. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.040 Your job would be a jeopardy. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:36.360 Cole to say this is disrespectful is an understatement. Eventually, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.520 after some joking and back and forth, and I don't 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.080 blame Kyle and Jackie, oh, of course not. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.000 This is their radio show to their job. I blame 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.360 the Prime Minister for this. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.400 After some back and forth, they eventually got to the 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:50.160 thwarted terror attack. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.359 But thank god for an eagle eyed residence the Old God. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.400 Or whoever that person is, has saved so many lives. 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:07.120 And the authorities, of course are continuing their investigation, the 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:12.520 Irish super regular briefings of course on security issues. And 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.000 could I say this to our police and our security 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:20.440 and intelligence age that she do do an amazing job 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.440 and people need to be held to account for what 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.640 are crimes and put these people in the clink and 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.320 keep them there, put them in. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:30.480 The clink and keep them there. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.760 How did we end up with this Prime Minister? And 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.479 that was his phrase for the day, put them in 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.839 the clink? He kept repeating it. The Prime Minister refused 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.080 to say today when he was told about this terror 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.960 threat of the caravan with explosives. The Premier Chris Mins 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.719 had no problem saying that he was briefed on January 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:55.039 the twentieth, but Albanezi, when asked, claimed that was an 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.279 operational question. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.880 So I mean, was it a few days after nineteen there? 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.800 You haven't give us a date. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.760 But I don't go into as I understood, I don't 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.360 go into operational details. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.159 When the Prime Minister was briefed by police is not 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.159 an operational matter. If it was, the Premier wouldn't have 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.919 been able to answer the same question. Shadow Home Affairs 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.200 Minister James Patterson said the Prime Minister needs to explain 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.679 when he was told and what action he took. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.720 Here he was speaking with my colleague Chris Kenny. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.880 When was the Prime Minister briefed? Was he briefed on 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.880 the same day as Chris Mins? And if so, what 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.400 action did he take in response to this? Did he 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.600 convene a National security Committee of Cabinet. What measures did 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.400 they put in place to protect the Jewish community and 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.640 all Australians. What reassurance did they provide the Jewish community 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.000 based on their knowledge of this incident, or if in 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.800 fact he was not briefed, then we need to understand why, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.279 because if the new South Borols premier knows, that the 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.520 Prime Minister should surely know. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.080 And Peter Darkan came out and said that this anti 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.000 submitted crisis is because the Prime Minister failed to take 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:08.719 early action. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.080 This is a deeply concerning matter and it hasn't gone 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.280 away as an issue for our country. We're still seeing 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:21.040 overnight attacks on Jewish homes and when you have Holocaust 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.360 survivors who have lived in our country since nineteen forty 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.760 five in peace are now saying that they feel unsafe 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.440 in our country. It is a national disgrace and the 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.120 Prime Minister has presided over this deteriorating situation and I 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.800 want to make sure that we can do everything we can. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.360 Meanwhile, Treasurer Jim Chalmers has apologized today after clumsy wording 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.960 on breakfast television when he implied that the Jewish community's 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.440 fears had sometimes been unfounded. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:56.160 Look This is obviously a terrifying development, and what it 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.760 shows is that the fears that a lot of Australians 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.320 and the Jewish community have are not always unfounded. This 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:09.320 is a chilling course of events, deeply troubling, unsettling, and 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.040 what it shows is that the fears in the Jewish 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.080 community are not always unfounded. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.280 The Treasurer told me today that he was sorry for 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.960 these choice of words, and I don't believe he's our enemy. 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.960 Unlike alban Easy and Penny Wog and Tony Burke, the 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.960 Treasurer has never been a pro Palestinian activist. Chalmers said 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.839 to me that he's had that relay to him how 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.560 it was interpreted, He said, I apologize. My intention was 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:41.120 to share and acknowledge the very real and understandable fears 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.720 and concerns in the Jewish community in light of recent events. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.840 I could have and should have expressed that more clearly, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:53.079 and I'm sorry I didn't. We've never ever heard Pennywang 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.440 or Albanezi apologize for deliberately offending the community. And Jim 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.679 Chalmers told me he also phoned as more number of 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.880 Jewish community leaders and relayed that message directly to them. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.920 Now I want to talk about the actual incident itself. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.440 And here's what we know so far. Scott Marshall and 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.920 Tammy Feruja. Now I showed you these two on my 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.320 show early last week. I was the first journalist to 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.080 name and show you the image of Scott Marshall there, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.680 and I told you how they'd been charged in relation 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.000 or at least Tammy had been charged in relation to 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:34.960 the Willara vandalism where cars were torched and homes were graffiti. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.360 This was the second Willara vandalism incident, you may recall. 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.800 I also showed you how Tammy had posted online looking 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:47.560 for a Jerry can. Well, now this same pair are 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:52.520 part of the police investigation relating to the caravan with explosives. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.360 The Herald reported that Tammy posted online looking for a 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.440 caravan and here are those hosts. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:01.680 There's two of them. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:06.160 Anyone got a caravan for sale? Need one asapp I've 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:11.640 got money. Police Commissioner Karen Webb said police did have 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.480 in custody the owner of the caravan. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:21.640 The owner registered owner of that caravan is a person 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.240 that is in custody on unrelated matters. The owner is 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.440 out of play and in custody. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.080 And police are still investigating who's behind all of this. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.720 They believe that career criminals have been hired to commit 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:37.680 these attacks. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.000 They say they are very confident that they'll catch the 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:43.360 perpetrators behind it. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.280 All the matters, as I said, the graffiti overnight, will 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.440 be under investigation and taken as seriously as other matters 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.720 and will continue to hunt those people until we find them. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:58.240 The New South Wales police are doing everything possible to 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.360 catch these people. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.719 And carab Web went on to attack the Daily Telegraph 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.439 for publishing this information. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:08.880 We wouldn't know about any of. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.720 This if it weren't for Mark Murray and his editor 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:16.320 Ben English. And I can tell you the police didn't 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.360 ask the Telegraph not to publish. If they had, Ben 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.600 English of course would have held off publishing. He's not 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.079 going to jeopardize a terrorist investigation. But the police didn't ask, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.800 so there could be good operational reasons for not going public. 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.360 And we'll give the police the benefit of the doubt. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.520 But given they look, you have to say lied or 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.480 at least misled us. Yesterday they claimed the Jewish community 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:50.240 had been informed, and we now know the Jewish community hadn't. Well, 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.000 we just have to wait until all the facts are 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:58.560 on the table. All right, let's bring in now my 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.040 Thursday Night Panel four. I'm a Speaker of the House, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:06.640 Bronwin Bishop and National Senator Matt Canavan, Bronwen. This was 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.360 described as a potential terror attack. Had this exploded, this 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.800 could have caused a mass casualty event. Don't the public 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:16.720 deserve to know about this? 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.920 Absolutely they do. And now that the police are talking 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.400 about there being an organization behind these attacks, that they 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.480 are coordinated, let's go back to stage one of what 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:37.360 happened after the massacre of October seven, beheadings, rapes, atrocities 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.760 on human beings. What we saw was before Israel for 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.360 any action at all. We saw that dreadful demonstration at 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.400 the Opera House. Now nothing was done, but it happened 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.120 all over the world. It didn't happen by accident, or 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.520 did it. Was there some organization that made it spring 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.160 up to try and seize the ground and turn themselves 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.640 into victims. And if that's the case, is there a 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.600 broader network of people who perhaps are using that caravan 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.400 as a storage depot to which other people can be 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.480 told to go and they can collect explosives or they 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.080 can find lists or anything else they need to carry 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.960 out an anti Semitic act. Now it can be something 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.720 that's going to escalate and get worse until we do 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.760 see indeed deaths. So I found that conference with the 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:32.120 police quite confusing. I think that confusing is the word, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.640 because on the one hand, the prison was being well 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.720 with the telegraphs specifically was being blamed for making these 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.960 facts known when people ought to be scared. You've got 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.520 the treasure who picks up the vibe that's going around 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.000 obviously around the federal cabinet, which says, well, we don't 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.800 really believe that these speedle are really threatened so much, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.600 which is what those words meant to me. And then 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.600 you've got the police saying, well, we think there are 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.800 a group of people, criminals who are actually doing it. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.760 So I think there is so much more to know. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.760 I think there needs to be a coming clean a 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.520 moment because I don't think we're getting the full story 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:12.040 at the moment. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.240 Matt Canavan, what do you think I've just revealed tonight 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.920 the two addresses that were in the caravan filled with 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.800 explosives enough reportedly for a forty meter blast wave, the 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:27.000 Great Synagogue and the Sydney Jewish Museum, that's the Holocaust Museum. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.480 You know, how has it got to this point? 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.560 Do you agree that this is due to a lack 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:38.120 of action and leadership and tough enforcement from the very start. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.840 Well, look, first of all, it's just shocking to see 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.600 this happen in our country which has always been so 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.800 harmonious and peaceful, or generally so. And it must be 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.600 even worse for those in the Jewish community. So the 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.920 main thoughts are with them, and hopefully they know that. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.760 I think the vast majority of Austrains, I know the 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.680 vast majority of his strains are with them and will do 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.240 everything we can to protect them. Look, in terms of 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.600 the reasons for this, look, it can't be shitted home 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.280 to one person, of course, especially if there are foreigners 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.920 behind this, foreign actors behind this. It's very concerning. We 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.520 don't know that for sure, of course, but we must 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.520 be always mindful here that there may be people off 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.280 our shores wishing us ill, not just if from the 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.840 potential risks of a terrorist attack, but also the chilling 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:30.160 effects on community harmony and cohesion of the threat of one, 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.240 of the threat of one and the uncertainty created by it. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.360 So we need to be very careful about making sure 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.320 that we do united as Australians and remember what we 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:40.080 value and what brings us together. And look, certainly the 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.120 Prime Minister's lack of leadership has not helped matters. He 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.720 has not brought the country together through these difficult times. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.840 So I'm not going to sit here and say the 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.040 Prime ministers directly to blame for these things. Of course 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.160 he's not doing these things, but not showing the kind 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.480 of leadership he should as a prime minister has not 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.960 helped matters and it certainly doesn't help us combat these 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.840 potentially these allegedly potentially foreign actors willing to divide Australians. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.080 Well, I don't think they are foreign actors because New 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 South Wales Police went on radio today and they said 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.640 there was no evidence that there was foreign actors. That's 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.680 New South Wales Police on record on the radio saying 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.920 they didn't know what the Prime Minister was referring to 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:18.680 and maybe it was. 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.600 The AFP has put out a statement though, saying that 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.800 they suspect that it may be and as I said, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.000 there's an uncertainty about it, but it's definitely possible. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.960 Well, I've reported that they have no tangible evidence at all. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.920 They might get the evidence it might turn out to be, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.200 but at this point in time, and I've got very 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.480 good police sources, there is no tangible evidence for foreign 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:40.960 actors at all. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.960 Now let's turn to Washington, d C. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.240 Where emergency services have pulled multiple bodies from a river 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.880 following a horrific mid air crash between a passenger plane 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.160 and a military helicopter. The American Airlines jet was carrying 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.640 sixty four people went when it went down, and the 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:06.840 black Hawk had three military soldiers. This is just horrific, Brunwin, 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.120 really really tragic news. The first responders are now starring 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.159 the river looking for survivors. 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:17.560 Survivors, I think is a hopeful word. It's the most 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.560 appalling crash. I do not understand how it took place 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.800 the Apache, and I know that aircraft quite well. I 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.040 have flown in it. The Apache is an aircraft with 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.520 breath sophistication. We're going to buy some here. I do 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.080 not understand how it could get in the flight path 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.200 of that passion to plane. I think there's a lot 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.120 of questions to be asked, and I think the new 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:43.240 Secretary of Defense who's just been approved. He's going to 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.440 have his first major task on his hands to get 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.200 to the bottom of it. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:53.080 What's your reaction to this, Matt Canavan, Well, it's just tragic. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.760 It's just terribly tragic to see families fighting at an 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.560 airport for their loved ones to land, and to be 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.200 so close and first of course have the uncertainty of 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.720 where are they and ultimately obviously going to receive the 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.159 most crushing news that you can in your life, and 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.040 your just heart goes out to those people. You don't 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:18.240 see this type of accent occurring too often. It's really hard. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.200 As Browin says, there does seem to be some other 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.200 questions that will have to be asked here. The President's 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.360 already put our statement out questioning what happened and how 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.080 it was to happen. It'll have to be get gotten to. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.119 The bottom of all, right, Matt Canvan. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.480 You've put on the table this week whether the government 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:41.480 should withdraw from net zero targets, and specifically, Matt, you 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.879 were one of a group of coalition MPs arguing in 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.800 a letter that the net zero Climate Pact is risking 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:47.680 our economy. 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:49.280 What's your argument. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.280 Here, Well, look a bunch of our banks. A few 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.639 years ago, all the major four major banks have signed 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.560 up to something called the Net Zero Banking Alliance. It's 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.359 the United Nations initiative that seeks to restrict finance to 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.680 various activities the United Nations doesn't like, like cold mining 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.240 one of our biggest exports, gas another massive export, and 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.920 even cattle farming, which we know, apparently or the United 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.840 Nations think is terribly evil, that is also to be 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.840 choked from the finance pipeline. Our banks, our major banks, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.200 signed up to this, and in the last two months 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.359 almost every major bank in the US, JP, Morgan Wells, Fargo, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.280 Bank of America, many others, And now in the last 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.040 couple of weeks, most major Canadian banks have left the 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.639 Net Zero Banking Alliance, partly in response obviously to Donald Trump. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.000 But where left in it? All our banks are still 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.400 in it. Our farmers, our miners are subject to these 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.159 restrictive financial conditions. That's putting us at a competitive disadvantage 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.480 as a country now. And that's why myself and some 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.800 of our colleagues, my colleagues have said, let's get out 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.800 of this thing and free the shackles off the Australian economy. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.320 The issue is though Brunwan, this would then become a 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.800 big issue ahead of the election, and you know this 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.680 has been very controversial in the past in the past, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.399 and probably Peter Dutton doesn't want to do anything that 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:06.920 would take votes away from him. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.760 Well, I think that argument holds good when you're talking 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.560 about pulling out of Paris. But this alliance is in 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:17.800 a way it's an attack on capitalism itself because it's 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.359 not about a lending institution making a decision as to 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:27.280 whether this is a valid investment to make because it's 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.399 safe and it's going to give a good return for 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.320 the shareholders. This is about saying we don't like the 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.320 business you're in and therefore we're not going to lend you. 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.080 And of course the banks in this country are a 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:41.640 protected species. You remember in the Great Financial Crisis they 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.800 were guaranteed so that they were again and that guaranteed 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.200 I think still exists, maybe not to the same extent, 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.080 but I think it's still there. So the banks, the 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:58.960 banks can't the banks can't run roughshod. So I think 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.840 it's a good questions and I think perhaps the pressure 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.399 from international banks may have an effect on whether or 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.760 not they continue to remain members or with the whole 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.359 alliance just falls apart. But Peter Dutton's quite right. He 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.280 wants to focus on the things that are tearing up 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:20.280 our nation. That's cost of living. It's about no energy 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.480 and no proper energy supply that it's going through the 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.040 roof and costs, and he's not going to be distracted 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:27.280 from that. 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:28.440 All right. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.080 Matt Canavan, Brahmin Bishop, thank you so much for your time. 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.080 Really appreciate it. Thank you, thank you. 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.520 All right, let's return to the major news of the 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.479 terror threat. This caravan filled with enough explosives to create 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.359 a forty meter blast wave. I have confirmed today that 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:50.240 it's something the Jewish community and security organizations were not 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.480 told about. I spoke earlier with David Ossip from the 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.880 Jewish Board of Deputies. He's now calling for twenty four 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:01.480 hour security presence at Jewish schools, and he confirms no 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:05.399 Jewish organization that he's aware of knew about this prior 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.600 to the Daily Telegraph. Here he is, David Asi, thank 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.560 you so much for joining us on what's been such 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:17.720 a difficult week yet again for the Jewish community. What 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.400 do you think needs to be happened now to keep 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:21.680 the community safe. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.920 SERI thank you so much for having me on the show, 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.840 and you're right. This has been another extraordinarily challenging week 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.920 for the community and just when you think you've seen 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:36.680 it all, we are surprised. On the downside, this incident 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:42.000 in Durrell is understandably giving deep concern to the community. 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.159 If successful, this would have been the largest terrorist attack 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:51.600 in Australia's history. The explosives in the caravan were enough 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.320 to set off a blast which would have had a 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.960 radius of forty five meters. So we are talking about 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:00.000 a crisis which is escalated to very very serious purports 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.560 and the community is understandably concerned at the moment. And 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.600 we have ridden to the New Subwales Police Commissioner this 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:12.560 afternoon and we've requested twenty four our police resources outside 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:14.399 all Jewish schools and preschools. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.680 I mean that seems like something that's so important right 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.760 now when you think of the threat, when you think 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.560 of the fact a caravan was found with enough explosives 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.000