WEBVTT - The Trial: A liar, but not a murderer

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<v Speaker 1>You heard the accused say that she regrets telling lies,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what she did. She's not on trial for

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<v Speaker 1>being a liar. And whether or not you agree or

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<v Speaker 1>condone or think that what she did was morally correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd have your views about that, those things don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any place in this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Aaron Pattison a murderer or just a liar? It's

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<v Speaker 2>been one of the central questions of this Mushroom cook

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<v Speaker 2>trial throughout today. Her defense barrister Colin Mandy said his

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<v Speaker 2>client did some things that could appear sinister in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said that doesn't make her a murderer. Mister

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<v Speaker 2>Mandy continued with his closing address today as he tried

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<v Speaker 2>to forensically pick apart the prosecution case. I'm Brook Greebt Craig,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the Mushroom Cool. Day thirty four of

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Patterson's murder trial has just wrapped up, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>here with my colleague, court reporter Laura PLASSELLA.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Brook, let's get the show on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it so. Mister Mandy began his closings today

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<v Speaker 2>by reminding the jury of the themes of his address.

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<v Speaker 2>He said they were misleading impressions, honest and mistaken memories,

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<v Speaker 2>the burden of pruth, and the duty of fairness.

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<v Speaker 3>But in a similar fashion to Crown Prosecutor Nnette Rodgers

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<v Speaker 3>when she gave her extra fifth deception, mister Mandy said

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<v Speaker 3>there was also a fifth theme that he hadn't yet mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said this was hindsight reasoning. He said this

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<v Speaker 3>type of reasoning can create false clarity about ambiguous situations.

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<v Speaker 3>He told the jury that Erin's actions might have been

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<v Speaker 3>explicable given the information available to her at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>but he said they can appear sinister when viewed through

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<v Speaker 3>the lens of what you know happened subsequently. Here's more

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<v Speaker 3>of what he said about this. These are his words,

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<v Speaker 3>but not his voice.

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<v Speaker 1>People react differently to situations based on their personalities, their experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>the way they are. None of these things determines guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>Your personality, your experiences of life, the patterns of your

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<v Speaker 1>behavior doesn't determine whether or not you're guilty of something

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<v Speaker 1>that happened in the past. And it is an invitation.

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<v Speaker 1>Hindsight reasoning is an invitation to apply a moral judgment

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<v Speaker 1>to what someone has done. It is a distraction from

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<v Speaker 1>your exercise, which you have to engage in using your

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<v Speaker 1>heads and not your hearts, your intellectual analysis of the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter what you may have done in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar situation. No one knows what they would have done

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<v Speaker 1>in a similar situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Up until this point, mister Mandy had really been talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the themes we mentioned earlier, but at this stage

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<v Speaker 3>in his closing address today, he wanted to take the

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<v Speaker 3>jury back to the timeline of the lunch and the

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<v Speaker 3>events leading up to the lunch, and that went back

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<v Speaker 3>a number of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy started by transporting the jury back to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty when Aaron became interested in mushrooms during Victoria's COVID lockdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>He said she photographed mushrooms in the wild, picked them,

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<v Speaker 2>and took them home, where she ate them.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy then turned to the fungi at the center

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<v Speaker 3>of this case, death cap mushrooms. He said it made

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<v Speaker 3>sense that Aaron would come to hear about these toxic

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<v Speaker 3>mushrooms since she was developing an interest in wild mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>He confirmed she visited citizen science website I Naturalist in

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<v Speaker 3>May twenty twenty two, specifically a world map showing the

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<v Speaker 3>locations of death caps and a siding of death caps

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<v Speaker 3>in Marabin. But he said this was a very brief

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<v Speaker 3>interaction with the website because she wanted to find out

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<v Speaker 3>or make sure that there weren't any death caps growing

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<v Speaker 3>in Gippsland. He described her visit to the website as

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<v Speaker 3>idle curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was not a person carefully studying this information,

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<v Speaker 1>doing research about it. This was not a deep and

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<v Speaker 1>abiding interest in the subject matter. It was passing attention

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<v Speaker 1>in exactly the same way as many of us would

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<v Speaker 1>do on our devices. Something pops into your head in

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<v Speaker 1>an idle moment and you go, I wonder about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mehdi said that in May twenty twenty two, there

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<v Speaker 3>were no signings of death caps in the Gippsland area.

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<v Speaker 3>He went on to say that there had only ever

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<v Speaker 3>been two sidings of death caps in this area that

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<v Speaker 3>were posted to the website, and this was in April

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<v Speaker 3>and May twenty twenty three. These were the two posts

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<v Speaker 3>by Christine McKenzie and doctor Tom may In Locke and Outram.

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<v Speaker 3>He reminded the jury that the prosecution was alleging that

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<v Speaker 3>Erin saw both these signings on our Naturalist and then

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<v Speaker 3>traveled to those areas to forage for death caps. It

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<v Speaker 3>was at this point in his closing address mister Mandy

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<v Speaker 3>actually became quite theatrical. At the lectern he was speaking from,

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<v Speaker 3>he acted out the allegation that his client was waiting

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<v Speaker 3>for these sightings to appear.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the Crown case, you might think remarkably extraordinarily,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Patterson observed and acted on the only two sightings

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<v Speaker 1>of death cap mushrooms ever in South Gippsland, as is

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<v Speaker 1>their case, like she was sitting there waiting for them,

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<v Speaker 1>never seen them before in South Gippsland. I Naturalist says

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<v Speaker 1>that I grow here, refresh up, still not there, refresh

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<v Speaker 1>still not there, refresh still not there. Ah, How likely

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<v Speaker 1>is that? And there's not one scrap of evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>she actually saw those posts, not from mister fox Henry,

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<v Speaker 1>not from the records, not from anyone else. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence she ever returned to the I Naturalist website after

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<v Speaker 1>the single visit in May of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving away from mushrooms now now, mister Mandy took the

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<v Speaker 2>jury to the evidence from Simon and Aaron, where they

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<v Speaker 2>both spoke of Erin having a good relationship with Don

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<v Speaker 2>and Gail. Mister Mandy told the jury there was no

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<v Speaker 2>possible prospect she wanted to destroy her whole world and

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<v Speaker 2>her whole life. Mister Mandy said there was no awkwardness

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<v Speaker 2>between them until September twenty twenty two, about seven years

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<v Speaker 2>after their separation. Mister Mandy said the prosecution had attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to undermine the loving, supportive relationship between Aaron and the

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson family by presenting her as two faced. He said

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<v Speaker 2>the only evidence of any kind of dispute between them

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<v Speaker 2>were the messages over child support and Aaron's belief she

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<v Speaker 2>had not been invited to Gaile's seventieth birthday celebrations. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>what he said today in court about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Erin is feeling hurt and left out. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>deplete misunderstanding. She's completely wrong, She's got the wrong end

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<v Speaker 1>of the stick, and she's apologizing, totally inconsistent with the

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<v Speaker 1>way a cold blooded, calculating person would behave.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy then said the spat about the tax return

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<v Speaker 2>and child support was also resolved amicably.

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<v Speaker 1>It's, in fact, the only evidence of any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dispute or tension between Erin and Don and Gail was

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<v Speaker 1>the tone of the messages that you can actually see

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<v Speaker 1>in evidence, and our submission to you is that it

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<v Speaker 1>is an entirely unremarkable minor blow up. Is minor blow

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<v Speaker 1>up the right thing to say, It's a minor thing

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<v Speaker 1>in family relationships. It stands out in this case because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only one, because these people are eternally polite

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<v Speaker 1>to each other. It's the only evidence of any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tension, so it jumps out. But looking at it,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of tension is it? It's not. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a significant one. It's not about very much at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy said the prosecution had tried to suggest that

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<v Speaker 3>this was evidence of Erin leading a duplicitous life, but

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<v Speaker 3>he said the messages actually showed that Erin was someone

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<v Speaker 3>who didn't hide her true feelings, someone who was standing

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<v Speaker 3>up for herself, and someone who is being direct but

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<v Speaker 3>not rude. Mister Mandy then took the jury to the

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<v Speaker 3>messages between Erin and her Facebook friends, saying these messages

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<v Speaker 3>were pretty normal for someone when they were ranting about

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<v Speaker 3>things in their life, including the people they love.

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<v Speaker 1>Loving someone doesn't mean that you never feel frustrated with them,

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<v Speaker 1>or upset with them, or hurt by them. The prosecution's

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<v Speaker 1>argument assumes that human relationships are one dimensional. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the way it always is. There is no nuance to it,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no subtlety, and that's simply not realistic, they

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<v Speaker 1>say to you. Ignore the long history of support and

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<v Speaker 1>love and respect from the Patterson family for Erin from Erin.

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<v Speaker 1>Ignore all of that long history and actual real world

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<v Speaker 1>observations made by the people closest to Aaron and Simon

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<v Speaker 1>day after day for years and years and years. Ignore

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<v Speaker 1>all that, and instead rely on three days of upset

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<v Speaker 1>from Erin and the recollections of these online friends about

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<v Speaker 1>things she might have said, of which there is no

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<v Speaker 1>record other than those two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy then turned to the issue of Aaron's weight.

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<v Speaker 2>He said the evidence showed she had a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>her self image, She purchased diet books, she binge ate,

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<v Speaker 2>and was embarrassed and depressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy said Erin contacted the Enrich Clinic in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 3>in around April or May twenty twenty three for a consultation,

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<v Speaker 3>and she booked an appointment that was scheduled for September.

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<v Speaker 3>Erin told the jury last week that she booked this

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<v Speaker 3>appointment because she wanted to explore gastric bypass surgery, but

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<v Speaker 3>she later accepted under cross examination that the clinic never

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<v Speaker 3>offered this procedure. However, mister Mandy reiterated today that the

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<v Speaker 3>clinic did offer liposuction in twenty twenty three. This is

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<v Speaker 3>what he said about his client state of mind at

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<v Speaker 3>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Her understanding at the time that she booked it was

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<v Speaker 1>that they offered the full range of weight loss treatment options,

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<v Speaker 1>including liposuction, gastric bypass, and other surgery. She was mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly mistaken, understandable, you might think, in circumstances where she

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately canceled the appointment and hadn't had a consultation with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy moved onto the lump Aaron said she had

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<v Speaker 2>on her elbow. He said she often thought there were

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<v Speaker 2>things wrong with her. In her evidence, Aaron admitted to

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<v Speaker 2>the jury she lied to Donn and Gale about having

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<v Speaker 2>tests on her elbow in June twenty twenty three because

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<v Speaker 2>she liked the attention they were giving her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not on trial for lying. This is not a

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<v Speaker 1>court of as I said to you, moral judgment, you

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't take the leap from this lie about a lump

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<v Speaker 1>on her elbow to finding her guilty of triple murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Those things are a very, very long way apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy then took the jury to the section of

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<v Speaker 3>Erin's evidence. When she was asked about what she told

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<v Speaker 3>the guests about cancer from the witness box, she said

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<v Speaker 3>that she wasn't proud of it, but she led the

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<v Speaker 3>guests to believe that she might be needing some treatment

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<v Speaker 3>in relation to averian cancer. Later in her evidence, she

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<v Speaker 3>explained that she was trying to communicate to them that

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<v Speaker 3>she was undergoing investigations around ovarian cancer. But under cross

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<v Speaker 3>examination she was very firm and she denied telling the

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<v Speaker 3>guests that she had cancer. Mister Mandy then took the

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<v Speaker 3>jury to the evidence of Ian, who said that he

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<v Speaker 3>remembers Aaron telling the guests at the table that she

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<v Speaker 3>was in the diagnostic phase, but that maybe treatment was

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<v Speaker 3>not yet specified. Our listeners may remember that Aarin said

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<v Speaker 3>she misled her guests because she didn't want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>them she was planning on undergoing gastric bypass surgery. This

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<v Speaker 3>is what mister Mandy said today.

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<v Speaker 1>Her concerns about her weight her body image were deeply personal,

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<v Speaker 1>deeply embarrassing. Much easier to say I've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>to hospital for a few days to get some surgery

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<v Speaker 1>for some treatment than to tell people that you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get liposuction or a gastric bypass. Much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>just continue this lie about the lump and hint at

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis and treatment rather than tell truth. Much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>never tell anyone that you're a binge eater who makes

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<v Speaker 1>herself so sick from overeating that she throws up. Those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of things are private and deeply embarrassing. So she

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<v Speaker 1>did tell them a lie, but she did not say

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with her evidence that she had a definitive cancer diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy also argued that if the cancer story was

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse to get the guests to the lunch, she

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<v Speaker 2>would not have told them after they had eaten their

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<v Speaker 2>beef Wellington's if this was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruse, So there was no need to have the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>because the deed on the crown case, the consumption of

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<v Speaker 1>the food had already happened. There was absolutely no need

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<v Speaker 1>for Aaron to say anything about cancer at all. If

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<v Speaker 1>it was a ruse that was related to deliberately poisoning

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<v Speaker 1>people on the Crown case, her object had already been

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<v Speaker 1>achieved by that point. So the only rational conclusion fact finding,

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<v Speaker 1>drawing inferences, making logical connections, which is what you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. The only rational conclusion is that the lie

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<v Speaker 1>about cancer had absolutely nothing to do with any intention

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<v Speaker 1>to kill. If there was one, what's the point in

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<v Speaker 1>telling them at the end, after they've eaten the food.

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<v Speaker 1>It is going to be some time before anyone gets

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<v Speaker 1>sick from eating the meal. The guests could have told

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<v Speaker 1>anyone about the conversation in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving on to the meal itself, mister Mandy turned to

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecution's claim that Aaron lied about buying mushrooms from

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<v Speaker 2>an Asian grosser and purchasing a dehydrator with the sole

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<v Speaker 2>intent of using it to dry death caps.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy actually said that the evidence doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 3>make any sense at all. He said Aaron didn't need

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<v Speaker 3>to buy a dehydrator if it was just going to

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<v Speaker 3>be used for that one meal. He told the jury

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<v Speaker 3>that mushrooms can be dehydrated in an oven and it

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<v Speaker 3>was more likely the purchase of the dehydrator was part

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<v Speaker 3>of a long term project for his client. He also

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<v Speaker 3>said that the prosecution's claim that she was experimenting by

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<v Speaker 3>dehydrating button mushrooms before turning her attention to the death

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<v Speaker 3>caps was also implausible.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you need to hide mushrooms in a mushroom paste.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't make any sense. She could hide them in

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<v Speaker 1>a brownie or a muffin where they don't belong. So

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<v Speaker 1>that theory we submit to you doesn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and it is one of the many, many

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<v Speaker 1>logical implausibilities in the prosecution argument in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy reminded the jury that it was the prosecution

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<v Speaker 3>case that and cooked five poisoned beef Wellington's and one

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<v Speaker 3>unpoisoned beef wellington. He said, if that was the case,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have been very important for his client to

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<v Speaker 3>not lose track of the one unpoisoned serve when putting

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<v Speaker 3>it in the oven. Mister Mandy told the jury that

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<v Speaker 3>there was only one logical way of getting around that problem,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said it wasn't using different plates. He said

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<v Speaker 3>it made more sense to mark the pastry of the

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<v Speaker 3>unpoisoned one, so you could identify which one was safe

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the cooking process.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of plates, mister Mandy said it was a colorful

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<v Speaker 2>piece of evidence pun non intended.

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<v Speaker 3>Referring to the argument he just made about marking the pastry.

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<v Speaker 3>He said Ian had to be wrong about what he

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<v Speaker 3>said about Aaron serving the guests on four gray plates

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<v Speaker 3>and Aaron serving herself on a smaller orange tan plate.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look at all the evidence on the

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<v Speaker 1>issue of plates and what plates Erin had in her house,

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<v Speaker 1>and what everyone says aboute it has to be the

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<v Speaker 1>case that Ian Wilkinson is wrong about what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes no sense logically that you would use that

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<v Speaker 1>method to deliver an unpoisoned parcel. But otherwise on all

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<v Speaker 1>of the evidence, he's wrong, honestly mistaken.

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<v Speaker 3>He then took the jury to some of the other

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<v Speaker 3>evidence about the plates. He reminded then that Simon said

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron did not have a matching set of plates, that

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<v Speaker 3>their son said he remembered cleaning up white plates after

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<v Speaker 3>the lunch, and that Aaron said she had used two black,

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<v Speaker 3>two white, and one black and red plate for the lunch.

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<v Speaker 3>When plating up the meal, mister Mandy said, considering all this,

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<v Speaker 3>it was likely there was at least three different colored

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<v Speaker 3>plates at the lunch table.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Mandy then turned to after the lunch and Aaron's

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that once her guest left, she had binged the

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<v Speaker 2>orange cake brought for dessert and then made herself sick.

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<v Speaker 2>In her evidence, Aaron said, and she couldn't remember what

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<v Speaker 2>was in her vomit.

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<v Speaker 1>If she was lying to you, she would say, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 1>when I throw up, I could clearly recognize pastry and

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<v Speaker 1>meat and mushrooms in there. Absolutely, categorically it all came up.

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<v Speaker 1>If she was lying, that's what she would say. But

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<v Speaker 1>instead she says, I don't know, it's vomit. If she

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<v Speaker 1>was lying, she would have said icerop immediately and I

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<v Speaker 1>could clearly see everything. She didn't say that to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Mandy told the jury that Erin had not lied

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<v Speaker 3>about falling ill after the lunch, but it was more

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<v Speaker 3>the case of the progress of her illness being very

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<v Speaker 3>different to that of her guests. He said it was

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<v Speaker 3>plain enough that Erin's symptoms were different, so he took

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<v Speaker 3>the jury to the evidence of toxicologist Dimitri Girista Mulis

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<v Speaker 3>who said the severity of the symptoms was the result

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<v Speaker 3>of a number of factors. The court has previously heard

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<v Speaker 3>that these factors include the amount of toxin consumed, the

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<v Speaker 3>distribution of the toxin in the meal, the person weight,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as their age. Mister Mandy explained to the

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<v Speaker 3>jury that the dried mushrooms Erin added into the meal

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<v Speaker 3>may not have been evenly spread throughout the paste, and

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<v Speaker 3>he also said that while don Ian and Heather ate

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<v Speaker 3>their entire serves Erin and Gail did not.

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<v Speaker 1>No one was measuring, so it's a bit hard after

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<v Speaker 1>you have eaten a parcel to say how much of

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<v Speaker 1>you already eaten, But that's a relevant factor. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>ate a whole portion and some people ate one on

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<v Speaker 1>one thirds or one and two thirds.

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<v Speaker 3>He also mentioned the fact that Aaron read more than

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred kilos and was significantly younger than her guests.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, together these factors meant that Aaron may have

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<v Speaker 3>reacted much better after consuming death Caps compared to her guests.

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<v Speaker 3>He reiterated to the jury that people can react differently

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<v Speaker 3>after consuming this poison, and with.

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<v Speaker 2>That, mister Mandy was done for the day.

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<v Speaker 3>But he will continue his closing address tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, go to the mushroomcook dot com dot

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Do