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Speaker 2: Yes, another week, another round of matches where it all

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Speaker 2: went relatively to scripts, but round seventeen loons as moving

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Speaker 2: round with an array of top eight shapers across Friday

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Speaker 2: and Saturday. Li said, though about Thursday and Sunday the better.

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Speaker 2: Ben Waterworth with you, as is fellow von Mulder Bandwagon

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Speaker 2: members Max Lawton and Will Folkner.

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Speaker 3: Hello boys, Hello, Hello, So this is I could not

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Speaker 3: have predicted that Monday night usually a big night on

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Speaker 3: the Fox Sports website a lot of wrap up from

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Speaker 3: the weekend of AFL and NRL, that the biggest story

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Speaker 3: would be the stand in South African captain against Zimbabwe

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Speaker 3: because he scored a billion runs but then decided not

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Speaker 3: to score a billion and one and break Brian Lyra's record.

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Speaker 3: Is that so.

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Speaker 2: In your wheelhouse, will wheelhouse, wheelhouse?

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Speaker 4: How do you want to say it? Yes, it is,

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Speaker 4: and I was. I was pleasantly surprised cleaning onto the

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Speaker 4: Fox Sports website Yesterday, my day and Max Lawton cricket

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Speaker 4: by it's a rarity revolving around everything you just said.

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Speaker 3: Cricket. I don't. I'm not a huge cricket guy, certainly

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Speaker 3: not as much as you two are. You love talking

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Speaker 3: to early two thousands cricket, early two thousands footy. It

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Speaker 3: is really Ben's jams and we're as an active cricketer

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Speaker 3: himself at times of course knows his stuff, But I

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Speaker 3: like that Cricket is just the weirdest sport in the world,

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Speaker 3: and the best stories it throws up are just here's

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Speaker 3: this really crazy thing that only happened once because of

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Speaker 2: Yeah that happens. That happens. It is a remarkable sport

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Speaker 2: where we continue to see stuff that we've never seen before.

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Speaker 3: But whereas footy is always sensible, as we know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well things went relatively descript as a set off

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Speaker 2: the top. Did we learn anything MAXI over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I mean I got nine, so I didn't, right, I

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Speaker 3: think most people got nine. I've got two perfect rounds

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Speaker 2: In particularly round fifteen sixteen. Those two rounds would have

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Speaker 3: We would not expect this sort of thing to be

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Speaker 3: happening this step into a season. But no, all the

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Speaker 3: favorites won. The one upset quote unquote was not an

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Speaker 3: upset because Sydney were favorite against Fremantle.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so on Freemantle. I think Jason Dunst on

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Speaker 2: three sixty last night four put it quite well. They

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Speaker 2: relatively inform, healthy Sydney team at the SCG. Did we

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Speaker 4: It's a great question. I tend to think that was

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Speaker 4: their finals run a little bit too late. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: they just keep sitting on that fringe. Just when you

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Speaker 4: It didn't surprise anyone. As Maxi has said many times

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Speaker 4: long Mule wasn't panicked at all in his press conference

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Speaker 4: after Whether or not that's good or a bad thing,

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Speaker 2: They are the Swans are a different proposition. But as

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Speaker 2: A form of champion data. Analyst Glenn laughed.

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Speaker 3: Exactly yes, turned to North Melbourne list boss. That's right,

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Speaker 3: eight and that's the first time that's ever happened in

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Speaker 3: the top eight era. A team with ten wins after

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Speaker 3: last year with the exact same record of Messanage Freer

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Speaker 3: And you know who finished fifth last year the Brisbane Lions,

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Speaker 3: who won the flag with fourteen and a half wins.

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Speaker 3: Across the season, fourteen wins may not get you into

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Speaker 3: the eight. This year Freeo could get to fourteen. I

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Speaker 3: think more likely someone falls over and get stuck on thirteen,

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Speaker 3: This is what happens when you have a slowish start.

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Speaker 3: There were four and five for their winning streak, and

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Speaker 3: it's a weird outlier season where there are so many

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Speaker 2: So after the loss, there was quite a bit of rhetoric,

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Speaker 2: the same belief though, Fork that Justin longmul has to

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Speaker 4: It is a very very fine line. I don't want

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Speaker 4: they just have such a good list. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the issue that most people have, is to be there

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Speaker 4: Crows probably didn't have that same list as Freer, or

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Speaker 4: at least, in my opinion, the same spine. There's what

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Speaker 4: But it's things have finally clicked, probably at the right time.

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Speaker 4: Where as long Muir, Yeah, I think you know, to

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Speaker 4: quite concerning when their list is only gotten stronger to

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Speaker 2: Do you think that Fremantle's list has more depth and

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Speaker 4: Being briefly honest, they don't have as many Adelaide would

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Speaker 4: have more weaknesses. Yes, I think Frio if you look

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Speaker 4: potential all Australian level players. Yes, but I think the

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Speaker 4: They were.

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Speaker 3: Two of the three most under pressure coaches coming into

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Speaker 3: certainly can move him on if they want to. It's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, it's such a fine line. What do

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Speaker 2: I'd probably tend towards lean towards the side of the

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Speaker 2: advances where it should be, and that a different coach

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Speaker 2: They're midfield well, it should be better, but apparently they're

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Speaker 2: of a They're going to get no output from him now.

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Speaker 2: So there's just there's a lot of question marks still

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Speaker 2: about free On, which makes me think that the six

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Speaker 3: Is that a reality that would never have to be,

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Speaker 2: So the team that beat them, the Swans, to borrow

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Speaker 3: I thought they could have been Jonah Hill clenching his

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Speaker 2: No, okay, all right, And just from a Carlton perspective,

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Speaker 3: So they could win thirteen games, they the percentagesh They've

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Speaker 2: This is the thing though, what you mentioned beforehand that

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Speaker 4: I think the one thing I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: to speak of overused memes Max, the one of the

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Speaker 4: There's three games in a row where I think traditionally

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Speaker 4: we haven't seen that response, and I honestly thought it

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Speaker 4: They just haven't shown any sign of that whatsoever. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's the most concerning part is this is

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Speaker 3: But well it's unfortunately they are like the dog sitting

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Speaker 3: whether that prompts them to make any irrational, irrational changes

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Speaker 3: I didn't I had them about this range, but I

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Speaker 3: I think that's reasonable, But I haven't had a I

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Speaker 1: And now on the Box Footy podcast, another strong edition

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Speaker 1: of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or fast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Max Hi, Tom Daconing has checked out fair or fast?

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Speaker 3: Where's he going?

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Speaker 2: Sint Kildo apparently?

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Speaker 3: Oh right, So I didn't realize Carlton was a hotel.

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Speaker 3: Ah doesn't look great sort of the clips we saw

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. The long string to

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Speaker 4: Whatever you call it. That saying no I meam just

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just three writers not knowing how to speak. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it's concerning when you're seeing a player who is supposed

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Speaker 3: I would not be surprised at all if the last

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Speaker 3: all the time, because it's Carden, because it's free agency,

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Speaker 3: of the finals. It's a lot going on in his

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Speaker 3: life right now. Would be very easy to rock up

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would do that in

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of this trade landscape involving se Kilda, there

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Speaker 2: fork if Nasaiawanga a Miller hasn't re signed by the

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Speaker 4: I think that's a fair call. With Caroline Wilson reporting

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Speaker 4: last week that Nasiah's manager had asked for a two

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Speaker 2: Which apparently they've got. He's on the tables, on the table, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So if that isn't signed or informally, sorry, formally agreed

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Speaker 3: What more could he possibly want from secuities?

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Speaker 4: I know he had an unbelievable game, had forty three

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Speaker 3: It did not look like it in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 4: No, he didn't, but just I would have thought. I'm

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Speaker 4: for I'm not sure what purpose.

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Speaker 3: But worked to Chad Warner earlier this year. He played

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Speaker 4: Yes, he did, he did. I mean Rows had a

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Speaker 4: pretty good last couple of weeks. It's been sucking well,

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Speaker 4: so yes, but I would be nervy as a Saints fan.

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Speaker 2: But it's this offer two seasons, as you mentioned, but

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Speaker 4: Offer sat Kild's offer. Yes, I believe it's one point

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Speaker 4: for a season. Yeah, that would be more.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's that's if he's hitting all of his incentives.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, yes, yes, if he gets the max out of

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Speaker 4: the contract, I believe that's slightly more than what Port

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Speaker 2: Hasn't swung towards him staying at Some Kilda.

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Speaker 4: Now, so my read on this from the start was

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Speaker 4: you would have sat in this whole process, in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: But every day that goes by, I would be swinging

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Speaker 3: It does make sense also that much like Bergman has

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00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,160
Speaker 3: signed the short term deal before possibly going home. Yep,

438
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 3: you get the money right now. You hope your value

439
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,960
Speaker 3: goes up as the salary cap continued to go up,

440
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 3: and then you get the long term deal that sets

441
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Speaker 3: you up even more for life in your home state

442
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Speaker 3: in a couple of years time.

443
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Speaker 4: Yes, and obviously Tasmania coming in to the picture, they

444
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 4: will be able to only helps, only helps. They'll be

445
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 4: able to pitch massive offers for any player who's indifferent

446
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Speaker 4: to playing at home or away or staying at the

447
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Speaker 4: current club, and that probably forces clubs in South Australia

448
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 4: for players not the sire to raise their value as well.

449
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 3: To drive up the market.

450
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Speaker 2: Max changes need to be made in Essenon's high performance department,

451
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Speaker 2: fair Off.

452
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Speaker 3: As a high performance athlete myself, I'm well across the

453
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Speaker 3: importance of field firmness.

454
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Speaker 2: I thought this would be the first response that would

455
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Speaker 2: come back.

456
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Speaker 3: Thank you, only the hangar is bad. I guess there is.

457
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Speaker 2: A I think you could genuinely lay with this an

458
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: injury crisis.

459
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Speaker 3: Certainly they're having a lot of injuries and there is

460
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 3: a lot of smoke to the fire. Like usually, I

461
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,640
Speaker 3: look at an injury crisis and go, okay, you've either

462
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 3: got a lot of injury prone players or you've got

463
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Speaker 3: a lot of bad luck. You know, Sydney had no

464
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Speaker 3: injuries last year. He had a lot of injuries this year.

465
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Speaker 4: Bad luck, Brian, that's a good man.

466
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Speaker 3: I remember that. I know. Bad luck Nick, Brian. Maybe okay,

467
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Speaker 3: we'll talk about it later. But there seems to be

468
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Speaker 3: some suggestions that playing on the indoor ovals as well

469
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: is a problem. I believe there was a former Vflwston

470
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: player escapes him right now who talked about that on

471
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Speaker 3: Twitter last night, how she had a session on the

472
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Speaker 3: indoor track there and felt in her quads, and then

473
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Speaker 3: some of the high performance people at the Bombers were

474
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Speaker 3: aware of that. And certainly when you're having a lot

475
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Speaker 3: of problems like they are, and a lot of soft

476
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Speaker 3: tissue injuries, you're looking at every possible solution. So whether

477
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Speaker 3: you're relaying to her, relaying ovals, there are certain places

478
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Speaker 3: where people get more injuries. Marvel a lot of acls

479
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: at the Gabba. You know, we got another one on

480
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 3: Saturday night with Power Pepper. So certainly there have to

481
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Speaker 3: be links between that, and you have to be considering this.

482
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Speaker 3: It's not like if you're going to have this happen

483
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Speaker 3: for Esendon, this is the right year to have it.

484
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Speaker 3: The year that it doesn't matter if you're going to

485
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Speaker 3: play finals. Be much worse if it's happening in two

486
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: three years time when you're trying to make the eight.

487
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Speaker 3: But if as long as they can come to a

488
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Speaker 3: solution it maybe it's a better thing for them long term. Well.

489
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Speaker 2: AFL high Performance commentator and also AFL turf experts me.

490
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Speaker 3: They call me doctor Turf. I believe I'm the first

491
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Speaker 3: one of that.

492
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Speaker 2: Fok Zach Merritt should reconsider his future at Essendon, fair

493
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Speaker 2: or fast.

494
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Speaker 4: I think if he's playing at a club like Essendon

495
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Speaker 4: who's in that sort of middle to the lower part

496
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Speaker 4: of the table and has been for so long, I

497
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 4: think he would be well with his rights smart to

498
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Speaker 4: do so. I don't think that necessarily means acting upon it,

499
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 4: but I think he always has to be a jiblet

500
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Speaker 4: a player like him who is a sweep star who

501
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 4: has so much value and could be you know, slowed

502
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 4: into a team in the premiership we know so easily.

503
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Speaker 4: I think you always have to be thinking about those

504
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Speaker 4: things on his behalf.

505
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: So he got a massive offer from some Kilda last year.

506
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: I believe it was.

507
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: Not the club I've been moving sideways to at the moment.

508
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: That's the problem is that the big money is not

509
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 3: necessarily at the big clubs.

510
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: Yes, and I think as a captain you'd stay loyal

511
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Speaker 4: in that situation. I would imagine he would be on

512
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 4: a pretty good look I think as well as.

513
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Speaker 3: So what wasn't there a story last year about him

514
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: renegotiating to get more money at the time. Yes, the

515
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: stay at SSS, so it makes sense paying what he's worth.

516
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: It's more if it comes down to him getting He's

517
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 2: still very much in the prime of his career at

518
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 2: the moment, but he is. Yeah, priorities might be changing

519
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: where he might be looking at team's success as a

520
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: more of a priority than being financially rewarded. But again

521
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Speaker 2: it happened twelve months ago. Just a lot has changed.

522
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: We saw Essendon at the start of this season, without

523
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: shouting it from the rooftops, indicate that they have they're

524
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: rebuilding on the run at the moment. So the goalposts

525
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: have shifted a little.

526
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Speaker 3: Bit from that perspective, the logical time to do it

527
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: would have been either last year or in a couple

528
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 3: of years time, because then you'll know if this build

529
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: does not work.

530
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Speaker 4: Yes, so he turns thirty in October, says Google, So

531
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: in two years it must be true two years time.

532
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, thirty two at his I guess most gun

533
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 4: midfielder is like him, probably hanging around to a thirty four,

534
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: thirty five, thirty six.

535
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like if you're a team in the premiership, we

536
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: know good signing for two three years at a thirty

537
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: two year old.

538
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think getting to that stage as well. If

539
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 4: success is on the horizon in two years time, you

540
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 4: want to be there for when that happens. You don't

541
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 4: want to do what sort of Brett de Leo didn't

542
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 4: leave Richmond. Yeah, such a crucial time. So I'm sure

543
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 4: that something you thinks about.

544
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: Max, an AFL Cup would not only create excitement but

545
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: also help reduce the competitive advantage that exists in the

546
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: AFL fear or fast for who, Well, there's amount at

547
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: the moment it would you bring in the in season tournament. Yeah,

548
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: and then you also have you put on a gather

549
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: round and an arrivalry around. Everyone now plays each other

550
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: once plus those two rounds. It kind of even when

551
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: the competitive advance or competitive disadvantage.

552
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 3: So this is a discussion that's happened at the CEO's meeting.

553
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: I believe on the Gold Coast, yes, because who doesn't

554
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: love a junket to the Gold Coast. And then they've

555
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: come up with this potential suggestion of replacing some games

556
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: in the fixture, and I think that that is the

557
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: only part with some merit, not Zach, but thank you

558
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: changing the fixture, because people do complain a lot about

559
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: the fact that there are you know, you get six

560
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 3: double ups or seven double ups, whatever it ends up

561
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: being now, and it's unreasonable that some teams have more

562
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 3: bad teams than others. I think it's okay as an

563
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: equalization tool generally works pretty well. Port and Brisbane of

564
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: the two hardest remaining fixtures because of a lot of

565
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: their double up games. They won the flag and finished

566
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: top two, respectively, So I guess it makes sense that

567
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: they have hard fixtures. But I'm struggling to find any

568
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: other positives to this idea. I'm not against change, I'm

569
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: not against trying things, and I do it I wouldn't

570
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 3: mind the cleanliness of having just you play each other

571
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: once you have your rivalry and gather rounds and then

572
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: go to this other stuff. I don't think that solves

573
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: that problem. It doesn't solve the problem of a boring

574
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 3: end of the season like we're having here, where you've

575
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: got all these dead rubbers coming up, because if you're

576
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: playing it at mid season, it doesn't matter if you're

577
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: playing it across the season. Okay, you've got one game

578
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: that people care about for rounds of the Cup, assuming

579
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: the bad teams make it deep into the Cup, which

580
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 3: they probably should't because they're bad team. So I think

581
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: the only real reason you would do this is money.

582
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: Because the discussion was around bringing this in when Tasmania

583
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: comes into the comp that lines up somewhat close to

584
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: the next AFL TV rights deal. The NBA, who they're

585
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: sort of aping with this by having an in season tournament,

586
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: brought in the NBA Cup to sell it as part

587
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: of their TV rights deal. They changed their system. They

588
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: changed to where they were partnering with different networks and

589
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: splitting things up. You get more money if you go

590
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: a piecemeal deal with a bunch of different networks. Selling

591
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: off these games, selling off that games, whatever it may be,

592
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: and the AFO, I think would love to consider that

593
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: in the future of like, hey, Friday night games, they're

594
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 3: on Amazon, Thursday night games, Ah, they're back on ten,

595
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: and then you've got the AFL Cup games are exclusively

596
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: on Google or on YouTube, whatever it may be. So

597
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: that's where you'd be looking for it. That's why it

598
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: would make some sense for the AFL to do. I

599
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: do not like it from a pure competitive standpoint because

600
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Speaker 3: I don't think anyone will care about those games, because

601
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: why would we.

602
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: I think this boils down to two things. One, do

603
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 4: we get to play on really cool grounds like I

604
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: do in the NBA where the court just changes color

605
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 4: completely to paint them black? Paint them black?

606
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay great?

607
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: And secondly revolves around when do we get the twentieth

608
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: AFL team, not the nineteenth, but the twentieth, because I

609
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: think I'm joking there, but I think it would be

610
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: good for the shortening of a fixture. And all of

611
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: this makes more sense when we have twenty teams because

612
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: then you can have nineteen and then your rivalry game.

613
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: I think we can still we gathering. You're not getting

614
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: read to gather around. So you've gotta have twenty one rounds,

615
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: now twenty one, you have twenty one and then you

616
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: have three rounds of the AFL Cup. I haven't run

617
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: the numbers on that, and that would get you back

618
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: to twenty four weeks of footy. So that feels the year,

619
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 3: doesn't you get? You get one less round? Could we

620
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: have opening around this year?

621
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: I guess there's got to be more incentives than cash.

622
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: Then well yeah, because I don't care as a fan

623
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: if the players are earning a bonus for winning the

624
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 3: AFL Cup. And I don't think a lot of players

625
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: would care, because if you're talking about a five million

626
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: dollar prize ball in total, how much are the twenty

627
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: two players splitting who win that? Like the best players

628
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: are getting what like fifty grand or something. It's nice,

629
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: but if you're on one point two one point three

630
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: mel already, it's not a huge difference in your lives.

631
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: Better than the smack in the face.

632
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 3: No sure, and the lower list of players would cop it.

633
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 3: I would love it, but that doesn't matter. Like the

634
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: idea of having it be for a finals place is horrendous.

635
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: I hate that idea. The integrity of the competition being

636
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: corrupted by that sounds terrible. Like if you're West Coast,

637
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: you win the AFL Cup, you rest your players for

638
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: the rest of the year.

639
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Great, they put all their eggs into the AFL Cup.

640
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: They attack it.

641
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: We only have to win four games this year instead

642
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: of twenty two. Like so many problems will.

643
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: Gold Coast is parton the pun on a collision course

644
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: with the AFL over umpire contact, fair or fast.

645
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: I think I would have sat on the fence until

646
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 4: I was watching Saturday's game between Sen and Gold Coast,

647
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: and I love Matt Rower. There was zero change in

648
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: the way that he played on Saturday. Admitted that post

649
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: game he did he went very cold when Sarah asked,

650
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: I thought was a pretty reasonable question as to whether

651
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: or not he had changed his game style. So I

652
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 4: think that tells me that, yes, they are on a

653
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 4: collision course, and they are more than willing to cop

654
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 4: whatever sanctions come their way in the hope that the

655
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: AFL will change their hand. I'm not sure that would happen.

656
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Speaker 3: They're daring the AFL to suspend him, yeah, because they

657
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 3: know that they would be in the public's eyes in.

658
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: The right A great game of Chicken to watch live,

659
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: But I don't think the AFL would budge on that.

660
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Ben Cotton reported last week that

661
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: he's if it does get to the threshold of four incidents,

662
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: that is highly unlikely at that stage. Yes, it would

663
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: go to the tribe, but still highly unlikely that that

664
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Speaker 2: play would be suspended.

665
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: Unless it's really obviously like intentional or something crazy.

666
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

667
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a careless thing, like we normally say,

668
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: it's not going to be a week is it?

669
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Speaker 4: Is it considered? How much leeway do you have to

670
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: be considered careless? Now that they made it so abundantly clear.

671
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: That the bar has to be higher, because everyone's aware

672
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: of it, and because I think the AFL is clearly

673
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: the umpires have clearly complained to the AFL about this.

674
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: Could you how you get to this if.

675
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: You're the AFL the match review officer, could you sell

676
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: it or spin it that it is intentional from a

677
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Matt Row perspective because you are trying to use the

678
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: umpire as a screen.

679
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: Well, but the word intentional in the match review context

680
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: does not mean intentional. But theoretically, just looking at it,

681
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: you would go, oh yeah, he meant to use him

682
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: as a screen, absolutely, because that's clearly a tactic.

683
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: Maybe the umpires should umpire in those you know, those

684
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: like big rubber balls.

685
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: Okay, bubbles, but they'd still be moving slower, so they'd

686
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: get knocked over and then they'd have a worse view

687
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: of the contest, and then we'd have more umpiring spaces.

688
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: You've just given us more content.

689
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: How about that they only do that in the in

690
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 4: game tournament.

691
00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: Okay, special umpire ball bubble rules on black turf? Interesting, Okay,

692
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 3: I would watch these games? Does this? Does getting rid

693
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: of bouncers help? If we just do ball ups, like

694
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: just throwing it up every time.

695
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: And then you get then you'll get people like Leigh

696
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: Matthews and even Brad Scott last night saying the game's ruined.

697
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: Rockwork is is now extinct from.

698
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: Right, but you can still put You could still try

699
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: and tweak the rules around rockwork so that players have

700
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: to run a more instead of just wrestling the whole.

701
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: So we go back to the we get rid of

702
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: the circle, and we go back to the big run up,

703
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: which we got rid of because there were so many

704
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: ruck pc injuries.

705
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm never going to get this right, that's too much happening.

706
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to think about this anymore.

707
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: It was to just get your brain working a little

708
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: bit more for your maxim revelations. The AFL, who is

709
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: losing fifty million dollars a year for the AFL, is

710
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: further proof the competition expanded too quickly, fair or fast.

711
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: So that's fair, and that's clearly the main mistake that

712
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: has led to the position of the AFOW right now

713
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: has no momentum. You know, the talent spread too thin.

714
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: Like people complain about the AFL talent being spread too thin. Well,

715
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: the AFOW talents, it's way worse for them because they

716
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: haven't had pathways to develop into alle years until Like literally,

717
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: if you were a ten year old when AFOW started,

718
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: you're only now getting drafted. You've only now been able

719
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: to dream about being an elite athlete your entire most

720
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: of your childhood. So look, it's going to change over

721
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: the years. We're gonna get Like I saw some comments

722
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: over the weekend about someone who umpires like under sixteen's

723
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 3: women's girls games and said, the talent is basically as

724
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: good as a food. Yeah, the standard is there very

725
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: much so yep, so that's going to take over the

726
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: comp it's going to be better. So that's certainly a problem.

727
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: I think the problem I have with this article. So

728
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: Caroline also put this out on the weekend. I just

729
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: disagree with the framing of it. So you know who

730
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: else loses money? Several AFL clubs. The Suns need twenty

731
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: five million a year to stay afloat the Giants get

732
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: somewhere near that, The Saints North Melbourne, the Bulldogs maybe

733
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: still relying on AFL funding. Team gets a certain amount

734
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: of money, but they get the smaller Victorian clubs and

735
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: the expansion clubs get more. VFL also needs money to run.

736
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: It's not a profitable enterprise and the AFL. This is

737
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: one of those problems where the AFL is both the

738
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: league and the governing body. If it was purely a

739
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: for profit thing, it would not worry about AAFOW is

740
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: losing all this money. Well, let's sell it off or

741
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: let's let private investment buy these teams. They can deal

742
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: with all those problems. But no, they have to run

743
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: the game. They have to run the sport, not just

744
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: the league. So they have to accept these losses, and

745
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: you know it's for the good of women's sport in Australia,

746
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: women's football and all of those things. So I just

747
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: felt that it was an interesting and strange article to

748
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: write because it only adds more negativity to the situation.

749
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: And I don't dispute that it's factual, but it was

750
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: framed in a way that the AFL is going wrong

751
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: and the league needs to do something about this. When

752
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: they've made their mistakes, they just need to almost just

753
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: have patience that eventually it will work out. Like women's

754
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: sport broadly speaking, is going pretty well globally right now.

755
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: WN certainly going hugely with Caitlyn Clark. Maybe in a

756
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: two three years time we get that sort of generational

757
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: figure who breaks out into the mainstream consciousness. And girls

758
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: are paying money to go see all of these games,

759
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: so crowds will go up. Don't forget the ticket prices

760
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: have come in over the for the last few years

761
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: in AFLW and that is a big reason why the

762
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: crowd figures have gone down from the initial few seasons.

763
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of factors going in and I

764
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: just found it a very negative piece at a time

765
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: in the compas yes, made mistakes, but needs some optimism.

766
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: All right, and four club clubs need to be more

767
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: cautious naming first year players for so many games in

768
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: their opening campaigns, fair or fast.

769
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: I assume this is in relation to Sam lawd Yes etal.

770
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: So, we've had three hundred and eighty three games missed

771
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: by top thirty draft d's this season due to injury

772
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: due to injury, a similar number last year in the

773
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: year before that, but in twenty twenty one it was

774
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: only one hundred and forty seven games missed, So it's

775
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: actually spiking a little bit in the last few seasons.

776
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: That's after COVID drafts.

777
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: Yes, as well, So I.

778
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: Think it was a less just less those players getting drafted.

779
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 3: Those players weren't necessarily getting into the comps straight away. Yes,

780
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: they weren't as impressive.

781
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that also. And the other thing tonight,

782
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Richmond had a lot of first round drafteeds last year

783
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: and almost by necessity, have had to rely on these

784
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: first year players a lot well.

785
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: And like Tyler Shotton had an ACL coming in so he's.

786
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: Missed all these games and apparently he's ready to go.

787
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: So they've had a lot of injuries to deal with.

788
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 3: So their specific case.

789
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 4: But they did, look Richmond say, they took the conservative

790
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: approach with Lawa. They rested him that extra week when

791
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: they believed he could have played last week.

792
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

793
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 4: Internally, they probably think they's done the right thing. They

794
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 4: rested in a week earlier than what they could have.

795
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: So the conversation around this was that Jason Dunnson was

796
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: pushing the oda an A four three sixty that these

797
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: first year players let them off the leash. It's fine.

798
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: But Gary Lyon was pointing saying, maybe we're putting too

799
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: many games into them straight away. So is that is

800
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: that a development issue? Is that they need to given

801
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: more time on the sidelines in an ideal scenario, some

802
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: clubs just can't afford to do that.

803
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: No, I think that's probably more the case because then

804
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Gary pointed to Geelong, right, and that George Stevens comes

805
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: in on the weekend and has a record number of

806
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: score modern day score involvements. Someone pointed out that John

807
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: Coleman or Gordon Coventry had the same number of score

808
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: involvements on at least on debut.

809
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: But Champion Dad it was very good back there in

810
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: the thirties.

811
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: So and Olie Dempsey wins the Rising Star Award and

812
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: his third year didn't play very much in his at

813
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: all across his first two years, so there is But

814
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: Geelong is one harder team to break into and can

815
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: afford to have these players on the sidelon for a

816
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: bit longer, whereas as I mentioned, Richmond have six first

817
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: round draftees last year and have to play Harry Armstrong

818
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: and Luke Traynor in there in round one to actually

819
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: fill a spot.

820
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: Is the suggestion that these are just younger bodies breaking

821
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: down because they're not used to playing footy every week

822
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: like they would have been playing footy every week growing up.

823
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: They played the play footy every not the same but no,

824
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: but not the same. They're not against particularly the Victorian

825
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: particularly Victorians, and there's not too many from South Australia

826
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: and Western a Stradia that are playing against bigger bodies

827
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: every week. There's only a select few that only play

828
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 2: league level. Sandful and Warfall.

829
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 4: Yeah I can only speak from in the Sandful, but

830
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: they highly encourage players going through the reserves. Sorry not encouraged,

831
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: but they just don't play league. They play reserves and

832
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: under eight and aen football a lot of drafts do that. Actually, yeah,

833
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: I would like to think that the high performance and

834
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 4: recovery and everything that comes along with that is as

835
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: good as it has been. I can only imagine that's

836
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: the case. So yeah, I think it very much points

837
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: towards what you said, Ben. It is just Richmond have

838
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: had to play the matter of the necess and this

839
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: sometimes happens with young bodies.

840
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: But they are like from a global sport perspective, like

841
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: they are first year players are young compared to guys

842
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: getting drafted out out of college in the States.

843
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: So the NBA, you can draft them after one year

844
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 3: of college, so what they're nineteen, But even then, like

845
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: they get slowly worked into things and NBA players get

846
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: injured all the time anyway and get managed constantly. The

847
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: NFL obviously has a few years of college before you

848
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: can play in that league. Football is different because you're

849
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: playing at lower levels and working your way up if

850
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: you're a superstar talent, or you're being scattered initially, so

851
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: it just works in a different way. But yeah, like

852
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: eighteen year olds going straight into the top level is

853
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 3: a rarity that we enjoy and we love to see

854
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: it when a player comes in and as a superscar

855
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: straight away. But then there are way, way way more

856
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: kids that just struggle with it, which makes sense.

857
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: Meat edition of Fair or Fast. Have we got a

858
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: meat edition of the mail bag? Oh?

859
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: We do.

860
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: Yes.

861
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: Here we are on the Fox Woody podcast. It's time

862
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: to open up the mailbag. Have a question for the panel.

863
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: Tweetus every Monday morning at Fox Footy.

864
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: Several meats involved in this favorite meat.

865
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: I do like a hamburger.

866
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, not a meat, but thank you.

867
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

868
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: Chicken is that poultry?

869
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the most very versatile chicken. It is very useful.

870
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: We have a lot of mailbag questions taken everyone who's

871
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: written in on Monday morning on Twitter, Twitter loud and

872
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: then you respond and we've got some very interesting ideas here.

873
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: Max starts us off.

874
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 2: Not me, not a self questions.

875
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: I would just bring it up. I wouldn't do this

876
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: weird framing around the mail deck. Will finals ever be

877
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: played at Marvel again? Or is the incentive for crowd

878
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: attendance too much despite the AFL owning the ground. If

879
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: we get a first round finals week with Collingwood, Geelong,

880
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs and Hawthorne hosting, would they all be played

881
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: at the MCG.

882
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: No, I think, yeah, I think they would. Wouldn't they

883
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: play on the Sunday?

884
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: Yes, I believe they've said that they would play one

885
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: on the Sunday if necessary.

886
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: What happens though, if I was just thinking a couple

887
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: of years ago, the AFL could have done it when

888
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: sin Kilda played the Giants and they still played at

889
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: the MCG and got thecent crowds, still didn't they?

890
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: I think it was over the Marvel limit. It's like

891
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: low high fifties, low sixties from memory. Yeah, so it's

892
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 3: because that was the MCC game that you get into

893
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: that weekend basically. Yeah, sixty eight four and sixty certainly

894
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: the biggest crowd to see those two teams play.

895
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: So I think after that it's after that game, it's

896
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: very hard to see finals returning to Marvel. When Hawthorne

897
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: played Adelaide on that Friday night a few weeks ago

898
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: and the lead up, I'll turn on fox Foot in

899
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: the lead up to that game and the Buddy Elimination

900
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: final where he kicks serving it's Adelaide. The atmosphere looked absolutely.

901
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: The roof open open.

902
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 3: Imagine, there's so many things wrong with it's like AI

903
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 3: basically never would have seen that.

904
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: I can't see it. I can't see it happening in

905
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: the short term.

906
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: It's also you've got to keep in one that the

907
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: Marvel is most useful right now when the weather is

908
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: crap in Melbourne and mcg games. If you look at

909
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 3: the scoring goes really far down in the depths of winter,

910
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: but Marvel games Boork's North was a high scoring spectacle,

911
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: so you don't really need to worry about that once

912
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: you get September because it starts warming up. Yeah, John

913
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: had a question about scrapping the Bounce, but he brought

914
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: up the fact that at least three or four are

915
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 3: mistakes every game. That's twelve seconds a game we're losing

916
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: and that might decide the premiership. They got another reason

917
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: to scrap it.

918
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: Well, could we talk We've talked, and we've talked about

919
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: game length increasing this year and the fact that three

920
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: twenty Sunday games have had to go back to three

921
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: fifteen Sunday games. It all kind of it all kind

922
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: of adds up.

923
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: Helps us too. But yes, they need to get to

924
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 3: the news.

925
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 4: Eager fans can watch Bounce five minutes earlier.

926
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 3: That's very true, yes, which people will nearly die this

927
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: week find out. On Turn It Up, William Grant asks

928
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: is the Hawks back line overloaded with tools and given

929
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: Sicily's drop in forms, should they even consider dropping him?

930
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: Dropping Sicily? Yes? Well, this has been a constant discussion

931
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: around the Hawks this year, and I always thought it

932
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: was an intriguing move. They brought two players in Battle

933
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: and barrass Clearly they had identified I want to bolster

934
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: at that back there, but I think there's two much

935
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: evidence now to suggest that it. Yeah, there's too much

936
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: evidence now that it's clear that James Cicily's form has

937
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: been influenced by the arrival of the two players.

938
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 4: Been a perennial question in our weekly blow Torch segment

939
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 4: on the Fox Sports.

940
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: But I thought, ever, we can't think of anything I

941
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: would think.

942
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: I always thought that the reason they brought it, one

943
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 4: of the main reasons behind bringing in both Barras and

944
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: Battle was the ability to bring James Cecily forward, which

945
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 4: we really haven't seen that much, certainly not when I've

946
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: watched Hawthorn games anyway, So I don't know. I'm sort

947
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: of waiting for Sam Mitchel to flip that magnet and

948
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: see him up forward.

949
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: He's been hesitant to do that.

950
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: He has.

951
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 3: I've been frantically trying to find the box Hill Hawks,

952
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: the Hawks mitchis so they've been playing so they they

953
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: have a lot of talent in their VFL team.

954
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: They do, mitche Lewis and Calshadeer got another six goals

955
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: I think between them on the weekend.

956
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: Vin McGinness, Henry Hustbital and Joycero on Jack Scrimshaw, Will McCabe, yeh,

957
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: Trent Biancos there not af Elstid but no, but I

958
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: just I recognize the name, so I read it out

959
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: because I'm a sure attention span, Sam Frost, James Blank,

960
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: a lot of key defenders lost and yeah.

961
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: And James Blank did an ACL in preseason last year

962
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: and hasn't been able to sort of get back into

963
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: the AFL team.

964
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: But there's genuinely like three or four guys who would

965
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: be playing at a lot of other teams.

966
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: And the midweek tackle guys who do the tackle the

967
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: headline segment for us on for a YouTube page and

968
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: ko they often I think I reckon three times this

969
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: year have thrown out several fringe Hawthorne players and aren't

970
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: getting an AFL game that would get AFL games if

971
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: they went to a different club.

972
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: They may have the best squad depth from the comp

973
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: and if they do well at the end of the season,

974
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: that would be a big reason why I suspect cool.

975
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: Let's finish off with this question from Emlyn, who asks,

976
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: this is a slightly slightly wrestling related question I'll admit

977
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: is the way to make people care about a midseason

978
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: tournament by awarding the winner a money in the bank

979
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: contract to challenge the reigning premiere for the Cup at

980
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: a time of the contract holders choosing Brisbane finish a game,

981
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: get on their feet bench in Carnage, the big Big

982
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: Sound starts playing and the Giants come out to beat

983
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: them for the twenty twenty fourth flag.

984
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: Like that, But do they have to get their hands

985
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 2: on the briefcase mid game first before you can know?

986
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: So, the Giants would already have the briefcase, right, and

987
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: then and then Adam Kingsley would go to the umpire

988
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: on the bench and cash it in, and then his

989
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: team would run out of the rooms and onto the ground,

990
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: kicking the joining the match in progress. Right, because you

991
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: can have a triple threat.

992
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: Man, so Gold Coast Brisbane Collingwood game that was actually a.

993
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: Rehearsal for the money in the man cash of people

994
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: know that, so they come in and they and then

995
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: they win the game. Although that have to if they're

996
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: doing it from behind, don't do it in the fourth

997
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: quarter because the other team would have had three quarters

998
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: to score and you won't have much time. So that's

999
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: a problem.

1000
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: I feel like the number of PCO injuries could go

1001
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: through the roof with three ruckmen going out in bounds.

1002
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: Like you can't all wrestle each other at once.

1003
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: It's like how the XFL used to start, Yes.

1004
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: Running at the ball very first time the XFL did

1005
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: that guy pops his shoulder out. Oh what stupidly the

1006
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: NFL but wrestling shockha, it was really dumb.

1007
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: We'll keep tabs on that. We'll keep you updated if

1008
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: it's a possibility Emlin going forward. That's the end of

1009
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: the mail bag and for the now, Kevin she time

1010
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: once again. This is his second book that he's released.

1011
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: This is correct, let's hear from him. Gey. Thank you

1012
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: Kevin for giving us your thoughts in book form, because

1013
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: this is well, you haven't seen this book yet, but

1014
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 3: it is the first book in the I presume Sheed's

1015
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: series a touch of cunning with the ghost baby on

1016
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: the front cover ghost Baby, but like an I assume

1017
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 3: all things of black and white eye ghosts. So this

1018
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: is Kevin Sheedy the first highlight of the text there well,

1019
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: because there's a whole chapter on his has brought brief

1020
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: district cricket career to this first book is more about

1021
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: Cheety the man and as a player than as a coach,

1022
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: and what he went through.

1023
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: And wrote, his worldwide musings and the political views.

1024
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: There's a lot of that too, as I mentioned about

1025
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: his views on the Roumanians. At one point, I'm skipping

1026
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: that part of the book. Maybe we'll get to it

1027
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: late in the season if we've run out of options.

1028
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 3: But this is she's talking about when he was the

1029
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: captain of Richmond in nineteen seventy eight.

1030
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: That's nice.

1031
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Actually, this begins with the patters from the author. Kevin

1032
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: spoke for more than two hours on the alleged injustice

1033
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 3: of what happened to him in March nineteen seventy eight

1034
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: as a Richmond footballer who was a member of the

1035
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: Richmond Cricket Club. It was a disgraceful performance. He said,

1036
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: I can't sum it up any plainer than that. Disgraceful, disloyal,

1037
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: bloody infuriating. When I think of it now in nineteen

1038
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: ninety five, I get annoyed. What happened was that I'd

1039
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: always fancied myself as a bit of a cricketer. I

1040
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: loved leg spin. My brother Pat was a bloody good cricketer.

1041
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: At one stage in the late in the nineteen eighties

1042
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 3: he coached Shane Warne, so he knows what leg break

1043
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: bowling is all about, alright, That's what I was. A

1044
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: leg spinner, a leggy right from the start at primary

1045
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: school and at four Pinna Park in perm God. Then

1046
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 3: when I was thirty, only a year after i'd taken

1047
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: cricket up seriously, there I was playing district cricket. It

1048
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: was practically unheard of. I'd come from the fourth to

1049
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: the first at Richmond in one year, and then I

1050
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: was given the chance of replacing a Test spin bowler

1051
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: in a district cricket final. I was the understudy to

1052
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: leg spinner Jim Higgs in the Richmond First and Jim

1053
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: was away with the Australian side in the West Indies

1054
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: at timely he's a Test selector now. Jimmy a good man.

1055
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: A credit to Richmond.

1056
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: Never mind, in nineteen seventy seven seventy eight he bowled

1057
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: in six innings, took thirteen maidens fourteen wickets at twenty

1058
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: three thirty six. I took thirteen wickets at sixteen twenty three.

1059
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I was anywhere near as good as

1060
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: Jimmy Higgs. I wasn't, but I was working at being

1061
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: a good bowler for Richmond, and I should have been

1062
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: given my chance in the final. For a little while

1063
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 3: I had the best of both worlds. I was allowed

1064
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: to play in the build up to the finals and

1065
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 3: we went our way through. It was wonderful, but Graham

1066
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: Richmond decided I was needed for football duties full time,

1067
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: and Octor Wilson delivered his message. Geez, I thought I'd

1068
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: go mad, Shedy said white Hot at anger at the

1069
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: memory seventeen years later. How many sportsmen get the chance

1070
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: to play in our premiership football team and a district

1071
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 3: cricket final. It was the chance of a lifetime.

1072
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: So he spoke for two hours on our issue. Yes

1073
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: about Tom Pryor is whittled down AVT.

1074
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: But there I was in March nineteen seventy eight, thirty

1075
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: years of age, with only eight or nine games experience,

1076
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: and I was selected to replace a Test bowler in

1077
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: a district cricket final and I had to knock it back.

1078
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 3: I have never forgotten it or the people concerned. I

1079
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: don't suppose I ever will.

1080
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: There's like roughly twenty five the grade cricketers running through

1081
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: my head at the moment. I'm not going to bore

1082
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 4: you with them, but that's incredible. The one interesting part

1083
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: of that Max and Ben that I did appreciate with

1084
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 4: him saying he went from the fourth grade to the

1085
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: first grade in a year, same season.

1086
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 3: In about eight or nine games.

1087
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: That is something that is a perennial conversation across grade

1088
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 4: cricket circles. And I think we may have even played

1089
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 4: this game before.

1090
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: Ben.

1091
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: How many hundreds do you have to make from fourth

1092
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 4: grade consecutively to then play Test cricket? Sety would have

1093
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: done that in wickets form by the sound, Yes, but

1094
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 4: it's a very fun game, does it.

1095
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: Okay. Let's say though, that the Richmond Cricket Club is

1096
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: looking for someone to play fourths and they pick the

1097
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: Richmond Tigers AFL captain. Surely he would be given a

1098
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: leg up in his chances of playing first of his publicity.

1099
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm sure he would be looked upon favorably by the selectors.

1100
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: Plays into it, even when he's just a back.

1101
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: If you turn up for us and killed a fourth,

1102
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: are you guaranteed to go up to the thirds the

1103
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: next week? No?

1104
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: No?

1105
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: Why do they have set some stone rules like that,

1106
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: like just that you get to manditary promotion? Yeah?

1107
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, pro rell should be my non existent contract. But

1108
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: you would go from fourth grade, third grade, second grade,

1109
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 4: first grade, yeah, second eleven for your state, yes, state,

1110
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 4: and then test cricket. I reckon, you're going to make

1111
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 4: like high teens.

1112
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: Well, look, all he's saying was he was better than

1113
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: a test cricketer at that time, and then he got

1114
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: robbed of the chance. So Kevin is right to be.

1115
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 3: I just felt that he would be annoyed if you

1116
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: brought that up today. By the sounds of things it does.

1117
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: It just sounds like something. What he was saying, in

1118
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 4: other words, is like my best attribute is being humble.

1119
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 4: That's what it sort of felt like throughout that copasaes

1120
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 4: you're rhyming.

1121
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: That's why I'm bringing up my numbers.

1122
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: Well, looking forward to dissecting and grilling Kevin about that

1123
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: on our Fox Footy Grand Final.

1124
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: Show making promises we can't keep.

1125
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Let's look ahead to round seventeen, which has a little

1126
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: bit more juice in it compared to round sixteen, to

1127
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: say the least. As I mentioned, moving round, probably not

1128
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: necessarily on Thursday night as Carlton host Brisbane for the

1129
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: Richard Hadley Cup, not former New Zealand staff, former Carlton

1130
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: and Brisbane l e Y two thousand and three Premiership

1131
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 2: player Richard Hadley.

1132
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: Now the thing is, Ben, I saw a graphic on

1133
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: the Fox Foody social channels. We just talked about the

1134
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: Big Boy Week and it had all the games for

1135
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: the contenders and Carlton Brisbane was mentioned because Brisbane. This

1136
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 3: is true, but I think that was clearly us trying

1137
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: to click bait everyone into mocking Carlton and and honestly

1138
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: I did not do that.

1139
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: We just I just happened.

1140
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: I just told the social guys to make that graphic

1141
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: and I just thought it is a relevant game Brisbane

1142
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: because Brisbane are gonna win.

1143
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: I think it probably that graphic it probably heard that

1144
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: Carlton was the very first team. This is tra at home.

1145
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 3: This is true, So another reason why Thirs Carlton should

1146
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: not be playing on Thursday nights.

1147
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: Yes, right, so we then moved to Friday night. Gold

1148
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: Coast will host its first ever game at People First

1149
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: Stadium on Friday night, and reasonably large one against Collingwood.

1150
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I think you could argue the biggest game in

1151
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 3: club history. When would they have played a more important

1152
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: one with their finals chances more? I mean, the most

1153
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 3: important game in club history was same team, same event

1154
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Brent mccaffe tackles and does his shoulder that.

1155
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: Keep in mind though the Ablett game that was ruined

1156
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: their season, ruined their best chance at finals. The Suns

1157
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: won that game. They did. They came back and beat

1158
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: the Pies in that night, so that twilight, so they

1159
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 3: certainly could win. I would be tipping Collingwood because they

1160
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: just looked too good right now. But this is their

1161
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: drawers really ramping up. Collingwood. I think have not played

1162
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: any double ups yet, unless Carlton was a double up.

1163
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: They've played everything that's rare in the modern age. They've

1164
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 3: basically just played everyone once as yees, so they haven't had.

1165
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: They've only played six games, six or seven games against

1166
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: the top nine. It's very odd. So that's they're they're

1167
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: inflated slightly on the ladder because of that. Like they're

1168
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 3: very good, they're clearly a contender, but they are gettable.

1169
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: But I will be tipping the Pies.

1170
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 4: I will be tipping the Pies as well. I didn't

1171
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 4: realize that was the first Friday night. This will be

1172
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: the first Friday night.

1173
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 3: Is there a Thursday night game in there?

1174
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: Maybe once?

1175
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: Yes, not a Richmond one, was it not recently?

1176
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: But and of course they've played on a Thursday night

1177
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: in Darwin.

1178
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe that's some time. But that's awesome Collinwood and

1179
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: it'll be.

1180
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: Large crowd school holidays, everyone heading north as well, so

1181
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: it should be of course for the Henry Shade Cup.

1182
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: Meant to say as well Western Bordogs and Adelaide for

1183
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: the Shane Ellen Cup Shane Ellen Dull Premiership. Crow killed

1184
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: the Saints in ninety seven.

1185
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: They played Richard on a Thursday night in twenty twenty

1186
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: one at Docklands.

1187
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: Matt Marvel, that's right, did Goldcos win that? Yes they did,

1188
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: they did, I remember that.

1189
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: And then twenty twenty but that doesn't count because they

1190
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: also they had a stretch in twenty twenty because of

1191
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: COVID of course where they played Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Wednesday, Monday, Friday.

1192
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: Glorious time.

1193
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: Imagine that, and we covered them all. What else were

1194
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 3: we going to do? This is a very important game,

1195
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: is it not.

1196
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 4: It's a very.

1197
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: Important game top four for the Crows and keeping in

1198
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: touch with the Dogs.

1199
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: This is normally a Mars Stadium special, but of course

1200
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 2: is marvel so that they moved.

1201
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: This, like after all the complaints about Mars Stadium and

1202
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: bell are at not being built properly. The diggers on

1203
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: the air of side, yes, which was great for Tom

1204
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: but not great for people going to the Stadium's a

1205
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: big step back for him.

1206
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure you get refunds on the tickets to Mars.

1207
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: Been unfortunately not still waiting.

1208
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: A big fan of Space because he would have liked that.

1209
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: He's in the stars at the moment.

1210
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: Yes, let's go to ours, dad, you'd think the Bulldogs,

1211
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: Like the problem for the Bulldogs is that like they

1212
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 3: need to show their contender, but their defense is yeah,

1213
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 3: and Adelaide's attack is terrifying and under the lead would

1214
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: only be more so, but without joshuh Shelley. Yes, yes,

1215
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm tipping the Dogs, keeping the faith. But the next

1216
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: two weeks against Crows.

1217
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 2: And huge opportunity for Adelaide, isn't it massive?

1218
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: Massive?

1219
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: And I think I've almost meant top four if they win.

1220
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, under the Dome should suit their style of play,

1221
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 4: but I think Michelle is a pretty big out. I'm

1222
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: going Dogs. They last lost to the Crows and Marble

1223
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 4: Stadium in Round six twenty fourteen.

1224
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: Well they've only played there like twice since.

1225
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: Right, we don't tell them that it still makes it still.

1226
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: Could be a bit eleven year first, the Giants host

1227
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: the Cats for the time on a Dawson Simpson Cup.

1228
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: Yes, of course. Look, this is a moment where Geelong

1229
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 3: should prove it is a league above the Giants, I

1230
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: think because I still don't completely trust the Giants as

1231
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 3: much as other people do. So it's also the toughest

1232
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: game left on Gelong's fixture, right, it's the only top

1233
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: nine game they have left, so even if they stumble,

1234
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: they're going to be fine. But there's I will be

1235
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 3: tipping Geelong, and I don't usually tipped along of these

1236
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: close games because I love an emotional hedge, but I

1237
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 3: think I have to go with them.

1238
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 4: I'm going to GWS.

1239
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: I think, okay, yeah, well it's another tip I make

1240
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: up on you.

1241
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: Then, of course, the Giants beat the Cats in Geelong

1242
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: earlier on this season Richmond and Essen for the Matt

1243
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: d Cup that.

1244
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: Quietly on g WS. Gelong GWS in this decade four

1245
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: and zero against the Cats in Geelong, zip and two elsewhere, yeah, right,

1246
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,959
Speaker 3: including the semi final they played at Doctor Stadium. Of course,

1247
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: the week before all the Geelong players went in the

1248
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: Spa and got sick.

1249
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: That's right for the faith thumped.

1250
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: The Giants didn't the well it was it was like

1251
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 3: six goals, but it was not convincing. At the same time,

1252
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: the Giants didn't feel like that.

1253
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: And then Gelong got pummeled by Melbourne in the Premium.

1254
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, by a million. Richmond Essen in this it's

1255
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: just like a fake dream time game because it's on

1256
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 3: a Saturday night, but it's not the dream time game.

1257
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: Liston should win this even with their injuries, you would think.

1258
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: Should should A.

1259
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: Lot of should around this in.

1260
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: Richmond's not in the same ballparks and they.

1261
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: Have fallen off the last few weeks, haven't they Like

1262
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 3: it makes sense that they're tiring.

1263
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 4: The conversation we had a couple of weeks ago about

1264
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 4: Richmond and West Coast tiring off certainly has been the

1265
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: case with Richmond Es and then should win, but could

1266
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 4: be a danger game.

1267
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: Fremantle and Hawthorne for Trent crowed Cup. Trent gets extra

1268
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: points because he went Hawthorne Freemantle back to Hawthorne, Right.

1269
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: Big move this is I think this is the biggest

1270
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: game of the round in terms of vinyls rays implications

1271
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: these team seasons yep, freo like. It's both acceptable if

1272
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 3: they lose given the opponent, and really really damaging because

1273
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: they basically in this situation where you want to get

1274
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: to fourteen wins. I think they've got four home games

1275
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 3: left and a trip to play Port in Adelaide, so

1276
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: that's five winnable games. But like these home games, they've

1277
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: got Hawthorne coming, they've got Brisbane coming later in the year.

1278
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: They need to beat one of these good teams at home.

1279
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: So if they don't do it now, they're losing all

1280
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: their margin for error. They'll keep falling further and further back.

1281
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: So big night for them. I will lean Freemantle because

1282
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: of the importance of the game for them, and because

1283
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: it's at home. I'm leaning Hawthorne, but very very indecisive,

1284
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: genuine fifty.

1285
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 2: To fifty game. But this is the kind of game

1286
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 2: that if Freemantle is the real deal, they beat Hawthorne

1287
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 2: at home well.

1288
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 3: And they've had these weeks where they just perk up

1289
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 3: once they get back home and play better, like I'm

1290
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: thinking of the Adelaide game for example.

1291
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, randomball, but yes.

1292
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Melbourne and North Melbourne for the Camp Pettersen.

1293
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: Cups Sunday not quite at the level of Saturday if

1294
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: I'm honest, that's a little bit of juice. I mean,

1295
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 3: the teams playing each other around the same like fourteenth

1296
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: or sixteenth could be close. Melbourne Melbourne's Melbourne is way

1297
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: better than what are they five and eleven.

1298
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: They're so much better.

1299
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: There's so much better than that. And they've played a

1300
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: few close games against good teams, like they could have

1301
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: beaten Collingwood easily. You know, they could easily be mid

1302
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: table but in a normal year, but instead they're down

1303
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: where they are. They should witness it.

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00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: Though, yes they should.

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00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 3: Do so.

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: Can you see the Demons spiking next year, then Maxie,

1307
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: I could.

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00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: I think they're they're fine. They're a fine team, and

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00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 3: they've done so well to recover from being Zip five

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: that I have absolutely no questions of Assimon Goodwin's future

1311
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: like that. Maybe that's going to come up because they're

1312
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: going to end up what seven or eight wins and

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00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: that's pretty disappointing. But at the same time, I think

1314
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: he's they've done reasonably well to recover and he's had

1315
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: a been a pretty good coach since round six.

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00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 4: I can't see a world where he's not coaching.

1317
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: No, I think he's Yeah, I think he's done enough.

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00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vibe isn't there that they're going to sack him.

1319
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 2: Sint Kilda and Sydney for the Trent Dennis Lane Cup.

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: Yes TDL. This is another very tough one, I think

1321
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: because Sint Kilda just has those random games are they're

1322
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: way better than they should be. And Sydney, you know,

1323
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 3: they've had a few good weeks, but now playing away

1324
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: I will tip the Swans. But another this is the

1325
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: best Sunday game, so they've put it in the in

1326
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: three fifteen times slot for a reason correctly, so Sydney.

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: Let me finish with a blockbuster between Port Adelaide and

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00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: West Coast. Lewis Stevenson come up, cup up for grabs here.

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: Bounce, producer celebrating and it's good fortune and have such

1330
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: a big lead in game. Of course, Brattles of all

1331
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: the people watching Port Adelaide surely take care of West Coast.

1332
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: Yeah they should. I can actually see this one. This

1333
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 4: is not a controversial take, but I could see this

1334
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: one blowing out. I think, yeah, yeah, it feels like

1335
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: a game that put just whack a old team at

1336
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 4: home and makes them look better than what they are

1337
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 4: on the ladder panage wise, maybe they need that same thing.

1338
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with Port though they're about where

1339
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 3: they should be this sort of ninth to twelfth bracket.

1340
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: In a normal year they would be two games out

1341
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: of the eight instead of three and percentage.

1342
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 4: So they've had a pretty tough run with injury this

1343
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 4: year as well.

1344
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: Tough run with injury, tough draw, they've had the misfortune.

1345
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: They played very well on Saturday night against Brisbane amid

1346
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: the injuries.

1347
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: So yes Port, and of course the big news before

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00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: we went to air MAXI was Corn's departs.

1349
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: Yes by Chad Chad Corn. Chad Corn to the assistant

1350
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: coach change. Assistant coach change season has arrived earlier than

1351
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: I expected, but yes, I look forward to seeing what

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 3: news dot com dot you guys to say about Korn's

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: is sad news Yeah of the two brothers.

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