WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 30 September 0:00:02.610 --> 0:00:07.830 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. 0:00:07.950 --> 0:00:10.550 The breaking news this evening is that a tragedy has 0:00:10.619 --> 0:00:14.760 been averted as a plane that was making its way 0:00:15.700 --> 0:00:20.400 towards Israel took a sharp descent. The sharp descent was 0:00:20.460 --> 0:00:25.200 about the best part of 17,000 feet. The reason is 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.460 because there was an apparent altercation that took place between 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.920 the two pilots, both pilot and pilot. 0:00:32.330 --> 0:00:34.750 Co-pilot. The allegations at. 0:00:34.729 --> 0:00:37.970 This moment are, is that one of them was planning 0:00:38.270 --> 0:00:42.550 to down the plane. Now, one apparently stabbed the other. 0:00:42.690 --> 0:00:44.790 At this moment, it is not clear whether it is 0:00:44.870 --> 0:00:48.589 pilot or co-pilot here. Now, this story has come to 0:00:48.670 --> 0:00:50.449 light in the past couple of hours, but let me 0:00:50.470 --> 0:00:52.989 try and set the table for you time-wise. It's just 0:00:53.030 --> 0:00:55.260 gone nine o'clock on the east coast of Australia. It 0:00:55.310 --> 0:00:58.600 is 2 p.m. right now in Saudi Arabia. This incident 0:00:58.620 --> 0:01:03.920 took place at about 3.21 this afternoon, but because of 0:01:03.940 --> 0:01:06.660 the security nature of this, we're only starting to get 0:01:06.700 --> 0:01:10.030 more details about it now. It happened at 8.21 in 0:01:10.470 --> 0:01:14.470 the morning on this Fly Dubai flight, which was flying 0:01:14.510 --> 0:01:19.910 from Dubai to Tel Aviv. Now, passengers have reportedly subdued 0:01:20.130 --> 0:01:25.360 one of the pilots mid-flight after the violent altercation. There 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.200 are photos online showing of a passenger with a bloodied shirt. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.920 There are also unverified videos from inside the plane. According 0:01:34.940 --> 0:01:41.039 to international news sources, including the BBC, the suggestion here 0:01:41.140 --> 0:01:45.050 is that, quote, one pilot stabbed another. Unnamed officials tell 0:01:45.150 --> 0:01:48.290 Israeli media that one pilot attacked another with a knife, 0:01:48.730 --> 0:01:52.250 seemingly to either hijack the plane or crash it. Now, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.240 We do not know the motive at this point in time. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.700 What we do know is that all of the passengers 0:01:57.910 --> 0:02:02.990 are now safe. They are currently in an airport right now. 0:02:04.050 --> 0:02:08.709 They're currently in Saudi Arabia. The Jerusalem Post is writing 0:02:08.730 --> 0:02:11.410 this evening that the suspected terror hijack is believed to 0:02:11.470 --> 0:02:15.820 be an Omani national, according to initial investigations and sources 0:02:15.980 --> 0:02:19.639 to that news agency. The passenger, who they have been 0:02:19.700 --> 0:02:22.180 able to contact, said that Israelis seated near the front 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.120 of of the plane, rushed the cockpit and fought the attacker. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.290 Two other pilots seated in the back initially appeared to 0:02:30.330 --> 0:02:32.970 be in shock. The passenger then claims to have shouted 0:02:33.030 --> 0:02:36.550 at them to run and take control of the plane. 0:02:36.590 --> 0:02:39.130 According to the passenger, the group managed to remove the 0:02:39.190 --> 0:02:43.919 attacker from the cockpit and get the two other pilots inside. 0:02:44.060 --> 0:02:47.180 One took control of the aircraft while the other took 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:52.980 longer to recover from the shock. Now, pardon me, Again, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.579 the international reporting here is that I don't know if 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.500 we're talking about the main pilot. I don't know if 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.100 we're talking about the co-pilot here. What we are talking 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.769 about is that the passengers are now safe. Indeed, the 0:03:04.950 --> 0:03:09.750 subdued potential terrorist here, who obviously was at the front 0:03:09.790 --> 0:03:13.380 of the plane as a pilot or co-pilot, has been subdued. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.419 I don't know what that means in terms of whether 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:21.240 they have been injured in a takedown or something even 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.620 more serious has taken place, very similar to what happened, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.020 of course, on September 11 when the passengers tried to 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.660 take control of Flight 93. Remember when the passengers were 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:36.100 able to save that plane from going into any further damage, but, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.480 of course, everyone lost their lives on that day. Now, 0:03:38.950 --> 0:03:41.030 I want to show you some live pictures right now, 0:03:41.050 --> 0:03:43.730 and that is the picture right now of the flight 93. 0:03:43.730 --> 0:03:44.290 Radar. 0:03:44.350 --> 0:03:46.650 This, of course, is international. What you can see there 0:03:46.870 --> 0:03:50.220 is the intended destination of this plane, which was at 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.280 the main airport in Tel Aviv. Now, again, according to 0:03:54.300 --> 0:03:56.420 the international sources, and given that there is a little 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.200 bit of a time lag here between the incident and 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.530 what is taking place right now, is that the passengers have, 0:04:03.590 --> 0:04:07.050 of course, not made it to Israel, but are safe 0:04:07.150 --> 0:04:11.260 right now in Saudi Arabia. There are some People who 0:04:11.460 --> 0:04:14.860 are speaking to the media there who were amongst the 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:19.930 family members waiting for people to return. But again, what 0:04:19.970 --> 0:04:24.130 could have been a mass casualty event, a potential or 0:04:24.170 --> 0:04:28.150 most likely hijacking incident has taken place on a flight 0:04:28.190 --> 0:04:31.620 from Dubai to Tel Aviv. All of this happening just 0:04:31.860 --> 0:04:35.000 a few hours ago in the early hours of the 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:35.440 morning in. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:36.260 The United States. 0:04:37.470 --> 0:04:43.390 Around 8pm in Saudi Arabia, 3pm here in Australia. As 0:04:43.410 --> 0:04:46.560 soon as we have more information, including, of course, any 0:04:46.740 --> 0:04:50.440 further reaction or information from security officials, we believe that 0:04:50.500 --> 0:04:53.900 Israeli security officials will be making a statement very shortly. 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.820 When they do, you will, of course, see it here 0:04:56.220 --> 0:05:01.130 on News24. Our website, news24. com. au, also has instant and live 0:05:01.170 --> 0:05:05.670 coverage as we speak. Now, of course, turning to the 0:05:05.710 --> 0:05:08.609 issues back here at home, and they are matters to 0:05:08.650 --> 0:05:12.370 do with inflation, interest rates and the pressure that remains 0:05:12.570 --> 0:05:15.390 on many Australians. It doesn't matter what you do for 0:05:15.450 --> 0:05:18.170 a job. It doesn't matter if you used to have 0:05:18.210 --> 0:05:20.410 a job. It doesn't matter if you are young enough 0:05:20.450 --> 0:05:24.490 and looking forward to a job. Anyone who is trying 0:05:24.529 --> 0:05:27.490 to make ends meet is really suffering right now. Why? 0:05:27.589 --> 0:05:31.349 Because of the twin hit that is The 16th interest 0:05:31.390 --> 0:05:34.810 rate rise under the Albanese government that came, of course, yesterday, 0:05:34.830 --> 0:05:38.670 and we learn today of yet another increase when it 0:05:38.730 --> 0:05:44.210 comes to inflation. Reporters have been dispatched to see what 0:05:44.270 --> 0:05:46.950 the public mood has been all over the country because 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.099 it would be just as frustrating in the Treasurer's Home 0:05:50.140 --> 0:05:53.100 electorate of Logan on the outskirts of Brisbane, or it 0:05:53.140 --> 0:05:56.160 would be any country town or any major city around 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.400 the country. As always, we try to focus on normal 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.460 people before we get to the politics. And here is 0:06:01.500 --> 0:06:04.770 some of them reacting to the endless pressure that has 0:06:04.850 --> 0:06:06.969 existed since this government came to power. 0:06:07.850 --> 0:06:10.510 But I do worry about the lack of anything being 0:06:10.589 --> 0:06:13.589 done about the inflation in Australia. 0:06:13.890 --> 0:06:15.620 I don't think the federal is doing enough. 0:06:15.940 --> 0:06:16.620 It's crazy. 0:06:16.710 --> 0:06:18.380 It's me and my husband working. 0:06:18.620 --> 0:06:23.300 So two income now and it's not enough. We need 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:24.890 a new government. They're going to kill us. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.440 Now, remember, this is a very safe Labor seat. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.760 This is one where Jim Chalmers thinks it's so safe 0:06:29.779 --> 0:06:32.120 that he'll eventually be able to wait out Anthony Albanese 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.880 and become the Prime Minister. Whether that is going to 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:36.620 be the case or not, we'll all find out together, 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.240 but those three people are in charge of the Australian economy. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.250 It has got very bleak since they promised an opposition 0:06:43.490 --> 0:06:46.370 to lower the cost of living. Everything is quite the opposite. 0:06:46.390 --> 0:06:49.229 A perfect example is a family who were profiled in 0:06:49.270 --> 0:06:54.050 The Australian today, which is a working family. They've got 0:06:54.070 --> 0:06:56.680 a whole bunch of kids. And they, of course, talk 0:06:56.700 --> 0:06:58.760 about the pressures that are on them right now, especially 0:06:58.990 --> 0:07:02.710 after yesterday, with the interest rate rises and the ongoing pressure. 0:07:03.050 --> 0:07:05.369 It's not just the mortgage where the costs are rising. 0:07:05.390 --> 0:07:09.390 The family's food bill sits between $ 300 and $ 400 a week. 0:07:09.690 --> 0:07:13.050 That's despite toasties and leftover night being in regular rotation. 0:07:14.150 --> 0:07:15.930 A tank of diesel in the eight-seater car that they 0:07:15.990 --> 0:07:21.350 own is now $ 200. The electricity bill was lower. In 0:07:21.370 --> 0:07:23.770 their previous home, they've just recently moved to a joint 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.520 and they were planning to turn the forever home into 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.520 something special with renovations. They may get put off as 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.480 a result of all of this. The mum has said 0:07:33.500 --> 0:07:38.440 that they've had to... They're down to the wood in 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.620 the wood heater because that's the best way to get 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:42.960 through winter as a way of saving money. On Tuesday, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:52.200 their bill for their four-year-old triplets' school kindy photos, $ 825... 0:07:49.870 --> 0:07:51.770 Their oldest son is on their way towards a school 0:07:51.830 --> 0:07:55.810 camp next term. That's $ 400. Now, all of this is 0:07:55.850 --> 0:07:57.970 the reality that we've been talking about for years. We 0:07:58.010 --> 0:07:59.950 talk about it every night. And, of course, it's why 0:07:59.980 --> 0:08:02.780 so many Australians were so angry last week when the 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.000 Prime Minister, rather than trying to do anything about this, 0:08:06.100 --> 0:08:09.760 is trotting around the global stage. Of course, that global award, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.180 tuxedos and all, hanging out with the movie stars, is 0:08:13.220 --> 0:08:14.500 exactly the opposite. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.920 Of how normal Australians think our Prime Minister should be 0:08:16.980 --> 0:08:18.160 at things. He should be 24-7 on the economy. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:24.000 rather than just burnishing his own trophy cabinet. Now, today, 0:08:24.300 --> 0:08:28.710 the Turnbull Times, the Guardian, they released the essential poll, 0:08:28.790 --> 0:08:31.910 and it shows, yet again, the national mood is the 0:08:31.970 --> 0:08:34.290 worst it has been since this government came to office. 0:08:34.330 --> 0:08:37.470 The top line, the coloured line there, the orange line 0:08:37.530 --> 0:08:40.660 or red line, depending on your colour palette, 60% of 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:42.800 the country now say that the country is headed in 0:08:42.820 --> 0:08:44.800 the wrong direction. You can see where it was when 0:08:44.820 --> 0:08:47.510 the government came to power with a more positive view, 0:08:47.809 --> 0:08:52.010 completely replaced. This is now worse than the worst moments. 0:08:52.929 --> 0:08:59.220 Midterm last time at 60%. And it is every demographic. 55%. 0:08:59.220 --> 0:09:01.360 of the youngest voters, they say the country is headed 0:09:01.380 --> 0:09:06.819 in the wrong direction. That's 18 to 34s. 62% of 0:09:07.179 --> 0:09:09.770 the people who are right in the middle of their 0:09:10.010 --> 0:09:14.290 building years, that being the millennials or the Gen Xs, 62% 0:09:14.290 --> 0:09:17.310 say the country is headed in the wrong direction. Those 0:09:17.670 --> 0:09:19.410 that are, of course, towards the end of their working 0:09:19.490 --> 0:09:22.670 life or... trying to hold on to what they have 0:09:22.970 --> 0:09:24.050 after a working life. 0:09:24.250 --> 0:09:24.900 That is now. 0:09:24.750 --> 0:09:28.320 62% of people who think that things are headed in 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:29.500 the wrong direction. 0:09:29.900 --> 0:09:31.179 We don't need polls to tell us that. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.900 We just need to know our own lives and our 0:09:32.940 --> 0:09:37.110 own lives are getting tougher. In the past few weeks, Australia, 0:09:37.410 --> 0:09:40.130 of course, now has the highest interest rates in the world. 0:09:40.210 --> 0:09:42.370 We are higher than the United States, higher than the UK. 0:09:42.450 --> 0:09:45.260 All of those countries, of course, are affected by the 0:09:45.300 --> 0:09:48.340 same war in the Middle East that we are. But 0:09:48.420 --> 0:09:51.120 we were in a worse position before the war started. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.990 Remember that two of the three, or should I say four, 0:09:56.070 --> 0:09:58.890 interest rates that have taken place, that all happened before 0:09:59.350 --> 0:10:01.960 the war in Iran. There is a big problem with 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.920 inflation in Australia, something that the government, remember, told us 0:10:06.300 --> 0:10:08.540 just before the re-election that we'd turned the corner? 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:09.260 Well, guess what? 0:10:09.580 --> 0:10:12.320 We haven't, and we are going around the cul-de-sac in 0:10:12.460 --> 0:10:18.240 smaller and smaller circles, and normal people are really hurting. Now, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.300 In terms of inflation, of course, the very big news 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.880 today was it keeps going up. 0:10:24.890 --> 0:10:27.990 First, it was interest rates. Tonight, it's prices going up. 0:10:28.470 --> 0:10:30.910 Inflation jumping today to a four-month high. 0:10:31.150 --> 0:10:34.170 Millions of Australians struggling to pay their mortgages are now 0:10:34.230 --> 0:10:37.790 staring down the barrel of back-to-back interest rate hikes. 0:10:37.990 --> 0:10:43.610 Borrowers are bracing for more pain as inflation rises to 4%. 0:10:43.610 --> 0:10:46.710 Now, of course, all of this is thousands of dollars 0:10:46.910 --> 0:10:50.080 a year on top of the already tens of thousands 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.180 of dollars that people have had to find to try 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.079 to pay off their homes. It doesn't matter if we're 0:10:55.100 --> 0:10:59.640 talking about the smallest studio apartment or the biggest house 0:10:59.700 --> 0:11:02.080 in the street. The cost of paying those things off 0:11:02.420 --> 0:11:07.990 has got 16 times worse under this government. Now, remember, 0:11:08.050 --> 0:11:11.330 all of this was supposedly... because the Reserve Bank and 0:11:11.350 --> 0:11:13.740 the government were trying to get inflation back between 2% 0:11:13.740 --> 0:11:14.250 and 3%. 0:11:14.250 --> 0:11:16.360 Well, now, as you just heard, it has. 0:11:16.260 --> 0:11:19.720 Cracked 4% in the month of August. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:20.630 What went up? 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.600 Well, have a look and think about if this has 0:11:23.660 --> 0:11:25.280 anything to do with the war. 0:11:25.980 --> 0:11:28.500 Housing up 5.7%. Transport, yes, that's petrol, 5.6%. Alcohol and tobacco, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.360 because of the taxes, 4.9%. Education, 4.7%. Health is up. 0:11:30.380 --> 0:11:30.959 Insurance is up. 0:11:39.429 --> 0:11:43.290 Food and non-alcoholic beverages are up. Recreation and culture is up. 0:11:43.370 --> 0:11:46.830 Clothing and footwear is also up. Tim Wilson is the 0:11:46.870 --> 0:11:49.910 shadow treasurer and he knows exactly who's responsible. 0:11:51.030 --> 0:11:54.330 This is the problem with our taxaholic treasurer and his 0:11:54.429 --> 0:11:57.439 economic model. The economic model is designed to take from 0:11:57.460 --> 0:12:00.900 the future to cover for his political and economic blunders 0:12:01.100 --> 0:12:04.440 today and as a consequence we have upward pressure on 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.380 inflation that flows through interest rates and prices at the supermarket. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.079 But of course the government has nothing to do with this, 0:12:11.340 --> 0:12:12.059 right Treasurer? 0:12:13.140 --> 0:12:17.400 The main reason why inflation in annual headline terms went 0:12:17.500 --> 0:12:21.000 from the middle threes to four is because of the 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.020 extra pressure from the re-escalation of the war in the 0:12:24.059 --> 0:12:24.520 Middle East. 0:12:25.540 --> 0:12:26.730 What does the war in the Middle East have to 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.650 do with housing? Either the cost of building it or 0:12:29.690 --> 0:12:31.870 of course the cost of being able to stay in it. 0:12:32.650 --> 0:12:35.970 What does it have to do with alcohol and tobacco? 0:12:36.010 --> 0:12:39.530 What does it have to do with education, health or insurance? Yes, 0:12:39.570 --> 0:12:41.370 there is a war that is going on. Yes, that 0:12:41.410 --> 0:12:44.390 does affect the entire globe. But we are getting hit 0:12:44.470 --> 0:12:48.410 worse because this government did not do the work. Instead, 0:12:48.710 --> 0:12:51.839 they did everything they could to get re-elected. They got 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.640 lucky with that one interest rate drop just before the election. 0:12:56.260 --> 0:12:58.459 The Treasurer was out and about during the election campaign 0:12:58.500 --> 0:13:01.780 that there could be four or five interest rate reductions. Instead, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.290 we are now back to the worst position in 15 years. 0:13:06.890 --> 0:13:07.370 Hence why? 0:13:07.370 --> 0:13:09.950 60% of the country say that we are headed in 0:13:09.990 --> 0:13:12.450 the wrong direction, and sadly that direction is only going 0:13:12.470 --> 0:13:14.980 to continue. Because if the only button they can press 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.120 is interest rates going up, to get it down between 2% 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.300 and 3%, as soon as next month, Melbourne Cup Day, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.490 is when there will be another meeting of the Reserve Bank, 0:13:24.450 --> 0:13:26.730 The markets say that it's a 50-50 chance of an 0:13:26.750 --> 0:13:29.490 interest rate rise. I hope, of course, that the 50% 0:13:29.490 --> 0:13:32.350 who say nothing's going to change is right. But with 0:13:32.370 --> 0:13:34.470 the numbers going the way that they are, including that 0:13:34.530 --> 0:13:38.050 particularly strong inflation number, there's plenty who have been speculating 0:13:38.350 --> 0:13:40.809 that if this information had come out a couple of 0:13:40.830 --> 0:13:43.050 days before, it would have gone up by a full 0:13:43.110 --> 0:13:47.790 half of a percent, not a quarter of 1%. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.840 Now, of course, the cost of. 0:13:50.820 --> 0:13:54.400 Paying houses matters because it is the single biggest bill 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.520 that most people have. A third of the country owns 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.140 a house. A third of the country has paid off 0:13:59.179 --> 0:14:01.050 the house. A third of the country is renting, meaning 0:14:01.070 --> 0:14:05.770 they need somebody to pay off their house. The Reserve Bank, again, 0:14:06.370 --> 0:14:09.650 has delivered the verdict on the Australian economy under Anthony 0:14:09.710 --> 0:14:11.970 Albanese and Jim Chalmers. 0:14:12.390 --> 0:14:13.880 And it's up, up, up. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.890 16 times it has gone up. And I tell you 0:14:17.910 --> 0:14:23.180 what has aged like milk in the sun was the 0:14:23.420 --> 0:14:27.280 personal standard that the Treasurer took to interest rate rises 0:14:27.380 --> 0:14:29.800 when there was just one of them just before the 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.770 election where they promised to make cost of living lower. Remember, 0:14:33.790 --> 0:14:36.310 this is what he said when there was one interest 0:14:36.350 --> 0:14:39.870 rate rise, not 16 like there had been on his watch. 0:14:40.910 --> 0:14:43.980 In annual headline terms went from the middle threes to four. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.320 is because of the extra pressure from the re-escalation of 0:14:48.340 --> 0:14:49.180 the war in. 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:49.640 The Middle East. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.940 Now, of course, that's the endless blaming that always takes 0:14:52.980 --> 0:14:55.740 place there. So let us have a look here, right? Now, 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.020 of course, Jim Chalmers has always made it very clear 0:14:58.070 --> 0:15:01.250 that it's never his fault. And he, of course, criticised 0:15:01.350 --> 0:15:05.910 Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party for always never taking responsibility. 0:15:05.930 --> 0:15:09.090 They only took responsibility for the good side of things, 0:15:09.150 --> 0:15:13.670 not the bad side of things. Well... Let's sit down 0:15:13.710 --> 0:15:16.400 and let's have a look at what responsibility Jim Chalmers 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.660 has taken when interest rates go up on his watch, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:25.940 like the first time in June of 2022. 0:15:26.540 --> 0:15:30.660 The reality is that government changed hands at a time 0:15:30.850 --> 0:15:34.960 of high and rising inflation, rising interest rates and. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.740 Now, of course, he made that deeply personal about Scott Morrison, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.440 Josh Frydenberg, the Liberal Party, of course, completely ignoring the 0:15:42.540 --> 0:15:45.780 reality that inflation was where it was at the time 0:15:46.060 --> 0:15:48.560 of the change, not just because of government policy, but. 0:15:48.460 --> 0:15:50.970 The global issue was, of course, COVID. 0:15:51.540 --> 0:15:53.250 Remember the amount of debt that had to be put 0:15:53.290 --> 0:15:55.430 in place because the country shut down. 0:15:56.790 --> 0:15:58.170 That, of course, is what took place. 0:15:58.790 --> 0:16:02.060 So what happened the second time interest rates went up? 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.480 Did he accept responsibility like he criticised the Liberals for 0:16:06.660 --> 0:16:08.280 not taking responsibility? 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.640 Government changed hands at a time of high and rising inflation, 0:16:12.980 --> 0:16:17.900 rising interest rates, falling real wages, natural disasters to contend 0:16:17.940 --> 0:16:18.820 with as well. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.040 So that was June, July. What about August? 0:16:23.020 --> 0:16:27.040 This cycle of interest rate rises began before the election 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.080 in response to inflationary pressures that began accelerating at the 0:16:32.100 --> 0:16:33.580 beginning of this year. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:35.140 September. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.420 Our economic plan, our budget, they're all deliberate and direct 0:16:40.500 --> 0:16:43.620 responses to these economic circumstances that were left to us. 0:16:44.350 --> 0:16:47.970 High and rising inflation, flat and falling real wages and 0:16:48.030 --> 0:16:49.350 productivity paralysis. 0:16:50.930 --> 0:16:55.240 Take a bet on the 4th of October in 2022. 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.160 Ever since interest rates started rising before the election, it 0:16:59.220 --> 0:17:01.860 was clear from the Independent Reserve Bank that there would 0:17:01.900 --> 0:17:03.420 be a number of interest rate rises. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.690 By the sixth interest rate rise, there was a new excuse. 0:17:08.970 --> 0:17:12.830 Given what's happening in energy markets as a consequence of 0:17:12.869 --> 0:17:16.270 the war in Ukraine and given the upward pressure on 0:17:16.330 --> 0:17:20.270 grocery prices brought about, by flooding of some of the 0:17:20.310 --> 0:17:23.090 prime farmland in eastern Australia. 0:17:24.030 --> 0:17:26.469 By December of their first year in office, well, he 0:17:26.510 --> 0:17:29.090 was able to go to the greatest hits of excuses 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.040 as to why Australians were beginning to start to pay 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.520 way more than they ever expected to for the house 0:17:35.619 --> 0:17:36.320 that they live in. 0:17:37.380 --> 0:17:41.080 Australians are paying a hefty price for nine months of 0:17:41.140 --> 0:17:45.859 Russian aggression and nine years of coalition incompetence when it 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:46.760 comes to energy. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.520 2023, the same story at the first meeting of the 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.609 Reserve Bank on the 7th of February. 0:17:52.700 --> 0:17:54.430 Again, the government, nothing to do with this. 0:17:55.609 --> 0:17:58.330 It's our job to focus on the broader pressures that 0:17:58.369 --> 0:18:00.830 are coming at us from around the world and being 0:18:00.910 --> 0:18:03.330 felt around the kitchen tables of this country. 0:18:04.450 --> 0:18:05.629 Or the 7th of March. 0:18:06.670 --> 0:18:09.630 The worst quarter for inflation was the March quarter last 0:18:09.690 --> 0:18:13.900 year before government changed hands and that's when rates started rising. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.920 Australians understand that a lot of this inflation is coming 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:18.060 at us from around the world. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.500 By the time the tenth interest rate had risen, the 0:18:22.540 --> 0:18:25.199 government had been in power for a significant period of time. 0:18:25.850 --> 0:18:27.270 Still nothing to do with them. 0:18:28.450 --> 0:18:33.090 Global economic uncertainty that we've seen in recent times. 0:18:34.350 --> 0:18:35.109 Or a month later. 0:18:36.270 --> 0:18:38.350 We don't need it explained to us as a government. 0:18:39.470 --> 0:18:41.609 that we've had an inflation challenge in our economy that 0:18:41.650 --> 0:18:45.290 began before the election and continued after. Interest rates began 0:18:45.350 --> 0:18:47.500 rising before the election and continued after. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.240 At the end of their second year in power, again, 0:18:52.300 --> 0:18:55.020 interest rates rose, but it wasn't his fault. 0:18:56.369 --> 0:18:59.290 In a speech last week, I said that Treasury had 0:18:59.390 --> 0:19:03.409 already changed some of their expectations for inflation in the 0:19:03.470 --> 0:19:07.320 near term because of this volatility we've seen in fuel prices, 0:19:07.580 --> 0:19:11.320 and that's because of decisions taken by oil-producing countries on 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.760 the other side of the world to wind back on supply. 0:19:15.890 --> 0:19:17.470 Things held in 2024. 0:19:17.470 --> 0:19:21.020 They got ever so slightly better in time for the 0:19:21.060 --> 0:19:23.660 election in 2025. 0:19:23.660 --> 0:19:27.140 But guess what happened next? And guess who's not responsible? 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:31.300 They left us much higher inflation. They left us a 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:32.359 much weaker budget. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.940 On the 3rd of February this year, it was still 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.340 the other government's fault. interest rates had gone down about 0:19:42.380 --> 0:19:45.240 a year earlier. That was, of course, the government's responsibility. 0:19:45.260 --> 0:19:46.939 But when they started to go up again, well, you 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.820 just saw the excuse. Unsurprisingly, when it went up for 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:54.800 the 14th time, the man in charge of the Australian 0:19:54.859 --> 0:19:56.240 economy isn't. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.649 Developments in the Middle East are already making that challenge harder. 0:20:02.780 --> 0:20:05.510 This is despite the fact that at that interest rate rise, 0:20:05.530 --> 0:20:08.990 the Reserve Bank made it clear that it was domestic 0:20:09.050 --> 0:20:13.130 inflation that was the problem. Then, of course, yet again, 0:20:13.150 --> 0:20:15.790 interest rates went up, but nothing to see here from 0:20:15.830 --> 0:20:19.459 the man who is responsible or not for the Australian economy. 0:20:20.460 --> 0:20:23.359 Australians are already paying a hefty price for this war 0:20:23.500 --> 0:20:25.859 in the Middle East, and this decision will make things 0:20:25.940 --> 0:20:26.700 harder for people. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.790 And, of course, this week, the man who has been 0:20:31.290 --> 0:20:33.869 the Treasurer for the entire first term and now halfway 0:20:33.890 --> 0:20:37.930 through the second term of the Albanese government is still 0:20:38.390 --> 0:20:41.810 not responsible for interest rate rises that have now hit 0:20:42.150 --> 0:20:44.830 the highest in 15 years. 0:20:46.100 --> 0:20:49.960 Our inflation challenge is being turbocharged by a war on 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.460 the other side of the world. 0:20:52.740 --> 0:20:53.740 What was it that he said? 0:20:54.340 --> 0:20:57.580 Way back when, in 2022, when interest rates just went 0:20:57.619 --> 0:21:01.979 up once at the very end of the former government. 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.260 When things are going well, he's in front of the 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.740 camera claiming all the credit. When times are tough, he 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.280 takes none of the responsibility. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.300 What was an attack is now what he sees in 0:21:14.340 --> 0:21:18.230 the mirror and Australians are paying for it. We did 0:21:18.290 --> 0:21:20.770 not turn the corner. Instead, things got worse. 0:21:21.210 --> 0:21:22.580 You knew it. I knew it. 0:21:23.130 --> 0:21:25.629 But the politics of the day meant that they were 0:21:25.670 --> 0:21:27.879 able to get another term in office, another term in 0:21:27.910 --> 0:21:32.620 office with higher interest rates, yet no responsibility. Unless, of course, 0:21:32.660 --> 0:21:35.220 they go down, and that's all because they're the ones 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:40.940 in charge. Also buried inside this polling that turned up 0:21:40.980 --> 0:21:45.220 today in the Turnbull Times via the Essential organisation was 0:21:45.820 --> 0:21:49.950 some interesting polling about how people feel about their own lives. Now, 0:21:50.030 --> 0:21:52.070 of course, there are 28 million and a bit of us, 0:21:52.150 --> 0:21:54.669 so the story may be different, but they decided to 0:21:54.770 --> 0:21:57.830 ask people about their happiness with a whole bunch of stuff, 0:21:57.990 --> 0:22:01.250 rank it out of 10. Life overall, 60% of the 0:22:01.290 --> 0:22:03.129 country saying we're headed in the wrong direction, so no 0:22:03.170 --> 0:22:06.780 surprise that 6.4 is the mark that we give ourselves 0:22:06.820 --> 0:22:11.250 for life overall. 6.8% for our personal life, 6.2% for 0:22:11.310 --> 0:22:15.910 our spiritual life, 6.1% for our social life, under 6% 0:22:15.910 --> 0:22:20.740 at 5.7% for our work life, and the financial situation, unsurprisingly, 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.520 is barely half out of the possible mark of 10 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:25.600 at 5.4%. But quite interestingly. 0:22:31.050 --> 0:22:32.369 If you know how to read these polls and you 0:22:32.410 --> 0:22:34.170 know how to find the data, and I must say 0:22:34.190 --> 0:22:36.290 they do publish it and do publish it publicly for 0:22:36.350 --> 0:22:38.370 free every time they put these things out so we're 0:22:38.390 --> 0:22:41.290 able to make this point, is they can also tell 0:22:41.350 --> 0:22:46.080 us about which party's voters are the saddest amongst us. 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.760 Is it One Nation voters because they want to change 0:22:48.820 --> 0:22:52.260 the country? Is it Labor voters because they're sticking with 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.840 this bloke? Is it the opposition who, of course, want 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:55.320 the change? 0:22:55.380 --> 0:22:55.760 Or is it the. 0:22:55.740 --> 0:22:59.750 Brand-new Greens leader? More on him in a second. Well, 0:22:59.770 --> 0:23:03.370 the answer is, if you look at this, about life overall, 0:23:03.530 --> 0:23:06.390 red is for Labor, blue is for Coalition, orange is 0:23:06.690 --> 0:23:10.720 for One Nation, and the saddest of all are the Greens. 0:23:11.540 --> 0:23:14.100 With their personal life and family life, guess who is 0:23:14.140 --> 0:23:19.020 the saddest? The Greens voters. Their spiritual life, do they 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:25.020 have one, is Greens voters again. At work, the most 0:23:25.100 --> 0:23:29.939 unhappy people are Greens voters in their social life. Now, 0:23:29.980 --> 0:23:33.040 government has nothing to do with social life. Billionaires, corporations 0:23:33.100 --> 0:23:35.240 don't have anything to do with it. Fossil fuel companies 0:23:35.260 --> 0:23:37.300 don't have anything to do with your social life. But 0:23:37.540 --> 0:23:41.360 self-identified Greens voters are the least happy with their social 0:23:41.420 --> 0:23:46.359 life and their financial situation. They are the least happy 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.330 with what's going on. So it's official. The saddest voters 0:23:50.510 --> 0:23:54.149 in Australia, according to a poll in The Guardian, are 0:23:54.170 --> 0:23:55.390 Greens voters. 0:23:57.500 --> 0:23:59.000 Of course, the Greens have a new leader. 0:23:59.060 --> 0:24:01.590 Why? Louisa Waters has stepped down. 0:24:01.950 --> 0:24:03.810 We wish her well with her health battle. 0:24:04.270 --> 0:24:06.489 But essentially, there's been a bit of a nothingness that 0:24:06.530 --> 0:24:09.429 has taken place, despite all of those things that presumably 0:24:09.490 --> 0:24:12.429 are why the Greens believe the system needs to change. 0:24:12.470 --> 0:24:16.300 David Shoebridge, the senator from New South Wales, is now 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.659 their new leader. He has plans not just to grow 0:24:19.700 --> 0:24:23.140 the vote, but to replace the Labor Party with the 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.109 saddest voters as his base. 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.820 This is the moment for the Greens to fill the 0:24:28.859 --> 0:24:32.020 vacuum that has been left by the Labor Party rushing 0:24:32.060 --> 0:24:35.550 to the right. Labor has created the circumstances for One 0:24:35.590 --> 0:24:39.010 Nation and Labor is not the answer. The Greens, the 0:24:39.050 --> 0:24:43.530 progressive alternative, we're here to beat down One Nation and 0:24:43.550 --> 0:24:46.850 we're here to replace Labor and return hope and faith 0:24:46.890 --> 0:24:47.510 to politics. 0:24:48.450 --> 0:24:50.879 Now, he may talk about beating down One Nation, but, 0:24:50.900 --> 0:24:54.650 of course, One Nation is absolutely surging. is more than 0:24:54.670 --> 0:24:58.270 double where the Greens are since the last election. 0:24:58.369 --> 0:25:00.669 Remember, One Nation was in single digits. 0:25:01.070 --> 0:25:03.450 The Greens have been in double digits, but the Greens 0:25:03.750 --> 0:25:07.230 have basically been behind the eight ball ever since the 0:25:07.270 --> 0:25:12.070 last election. The surge has been for One Nation. Now, 0:25:12.109 --> 0:25:14.050 I wouldn't imagine there's a lot of crossover between an 0:25:14.109 --> 0:25:16.230 angry Greens voter who's become a One Nation voter, but 0:25:16.250 --> 0:25:19.199 you can see the Orange versus the Greens. So what 0:25:19.260 --> 0:25:21.100 is the plan for how to take on the evil 0:25:21.140 --> 0:25:25.699 Pauline Hanson who has double your vote and happier voters, Senator? 0:25:26.950 --> 0:25:31.510 The Greens, the progressive alternative. We're here to beat down 0:25:31.609 --> 0:25:32.129 One Nation. 0:25:33.330 --> 0:25:33.690 Thank you. 0:25:34.090 --> 0:25:36.389 That's the plan, is just to beat them down, is 0:25:36.410 --> 0:25:38.920 to point at them and to yell and to scandalise 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.180 any and anyone who's even thinking about voting for them, 0:25:41.220 --> 0:25:45.720 let alone the evil Coalition. both of whom, you would imagine, 0:25:45.980 --> 0:25:49.040 have to be political beneficiaries when the economy is as 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.100 bad as it is. Now, a word of opportunity here 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.040 for the Coalition. The single best issue that they have 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.140 in any poll that I have seen is the economy. 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.800 Now is the time for them to be putting themselves 0:26:00.859 --> 0:26:04.960 forward as the economic alternative, and these are the circumstances 0:26:05.020 --> 0:26:09.109 where surely, surely, their vote starts to turn, be it 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.350 off Labor, be it off the Greens, be it off 0:26:11.369 --> 0:26:14.220 the Teals, or, yes, be it off One Nation. It'll 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.900 be fascinating to see whether that happens at all. We'll, 0:26:17.940 --> 0:26:22.229 of course, find out together. Another little bit of politics, 0:26:22.250 --> 0:26:23.949 but this time I want to go to the United 0:26:24.030 --> 0:26:27.610 States because, believe it or not, it's election season there again. 0:26:28.210 --> 0:26:36.040 Donald Trump, of course, won his famous second election, November 2024. Well, 0:26:36.060 --> 0:26:38.240 of course, every two years there is what is called 0:26:38.260 --> 0:26:40.800 a midterm election. This is not for the President, but 0:26:40.820 --> 0:26:43.800 it is for the Parliament, both for the House of Representatives... 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.340 And for the Senate, why does this matter? Because, put simply, 0:26:47.700 --> 0:26:50.419 if you don't have the majority of votes in the Senate, 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.710 anyone you want to get confirmed by the Senate, judges, 0:26:54.910 --> 0:26:59.010 cabinet positions, it won't happen. If you lose the House, well, 0:26:59.030 --> 0:27:02.770 then a whole bunch of investigations can happen. And absolutely, 0:27:02.810 --> 0:27:04.730 as sure as night follows day, we will be back 0:27:04.770 --> 0:27:09.399 into two years of endless investigations and endless impeachments. Now, 0:27:09.420 --> 0:27:12.459 because there is not a two-thirds majority for either party, 0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.940 things will again go off and die in the Senate 0:27:15.030 --> 0:27:18.530 on party lines. But I want to show you just 0:27:18.570 --> 0:27:22.810 how serious things are for the Republicans and for the 0:27:22.830 --> 0:27:27.330 last two years, potentially, of Donald Trump's presidency. Right now, 0:27:27.390 --> 0:27:31.490 the make-up is, with the GOP being... a majority of 0:27:31.490 --> 0:27:34.430 53 to 47. Now, if it's 50-50, the Vice President 0:27:34.450 --> 0:27:38.830 can get a tie and the Republicans, Trump, gets what 0:27:38.869 --> 0:27:42.560 they want. In the House, it is a very slender majority, 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:47.060 but a majority nonetheless. Now, opinion polls, betting markets, you 0:27:47.100 --> 0:27:49.500 name it, they all pretty much look like this, which 0:27:49.540 --> 0:27:51.419 is that the Democrats are going to have a very 0:27:51.619 --> 0:27:56.080 good time on the first Tuesday in November, Melbourne Cup 0:27:56.100 --> 0:27:59.240 Day here in Australia, Election Day in the United States. 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.030 Have a look here at the generic congressional vote. All 0:28:02.050 --> 0:28:05.470 you need to see is red that is going south 0:28:05.530 --> 0:28:08.370 and blue, which is going north. What this would mean 0:28:08.390 --> 0:28:11.020 is that the Democrats would win at least 25 seats 0:28:11.150 --> 0:28:14.260 and control of the House. But are you sitting down? 0:28:14.859 --> 0:28:18.040 They could win as many as six Senate seats, completely 0:28:18.140 --> 0:28:22.740 flipping from minority to clear majority, being able to say 0:28:22.940 --> 0:28:25.659 no to all and sundry when it comes to anything 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:28.750 that Trump wants to do. Mark Halperin is an excellent 0:28:28.790 --> 0:28:32.590 political reporter who is really plugged in on all sides. 0:28:32.630 --> 0:28:34.990 He's the guy who wrote that game-change book, of course, 0:28:35.010 --> 0:28:38.790 about the 2008 election between Obama and McCain. And the 0:28:38.830 --> 0:28:41.670 many years since, he has been right on the money 0:28:41.780 --> 0:28:45.060 when things were good for Republicans, bad for Republicans, Trump 0:28:45.100 --> 0:28:48.220 coming back or Harris never really getting there. He is 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.960 genuinely a reporter who follows the reality of a story, 0:28:53.020 --> 0:28:54.780 not just the narrative of it. He works with Megyn 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:57.970 Kelly in the United States as well, And he spoke 0:28:58.010 --> 0:29:01.910 about the Republican picture perhaps even being worse than what 0:29:01.930 --> 0:29:02.570 I've just told you. 0:29:03.790 --> 0:29:06.270 Right now, things are very grim. They're racist that they weren't. 0:29:06.940 --> 0:29:09.020 thinking would be in play that are now in play. 0:29:09.180 --> 0:29:11.800 I've said, if you're a Republican strategist and you agree 0:29:11.820 --> 0:29:14.550 with Chris LaCivita and you disagree with my reporting and 0:29:14.570 --> 0:29:18.050 you're working on any races, contact me. I'm up to 0:29:18.050 --> 0:29:21.290 45 now, and all 45 have said one of two things. 0:29:21.370 --> 0:29:24.470 Either my reporting is spot on, Republicans aren't facing a 0:29:24.510 --> 0:29:27.960 tough situation, or about half of those 45 have said, 0:29:28.340 --> 0:29:31.680 you've actually understated the case. The problem's bigger than your 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.200 sources so far have described it. 0:29:34.060 --> 0:29:35.959 Now, again, to give you an idea, we showed you 0:29:35.980 --> 0:29:38.790 this when it came to Biden, and it's not pretty 0:29:39.090 --> 0:29:41.840 if you want to... Trump to be able to control 0:29:42.060 --> 0:29:44.110 the government in the United States to continue on with 0:29:44.170 --> 0:29:47.310 his agenda. As you can see, Donald Trump, when it 0:29:47.350 --> 0:29:50.670 comes to overall approval and disapproval, is in about as 0:29:50.710 --> 0:29:53.670 negative a territory as you can get. His numbers are 0:29:53.710 --> 0:29:56.230 now as bad as they ever were during the first term. 0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.680 That wasn't always the way. There was a positive start 0:29:58.780 --> 0:30:03.959 to the administration. On the issues that matter, obviously immigration 0:30:04.020 --> 0:30:07.320 is supposedly the A1 issue that Americans always back the 0:30:07.340 --> 0:30:07.900 President on. 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:09.350 Well, not quite. 0:30:09.350 --> 0:30:13.830 54 to 41 is the disapproval number. That's the top 0:30:13.870 --> 0:30:17.670 colour there, the orange, over his approval number. When it 0:30:17.710 --> 0:30:21.250 comes to inflation, this is what is going to bury 0:30:21.690 --> 0:30:27.440 Republicans in November if nothing changes. Currently, Trump has a 71% 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:34.360 disapproval rate on inflation. Inflation is the same everywhere around 0:30:34.380 --> 0:30:36.880 the world. And as it will be for Biden, it 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.200 could be for Trump. And as it was for Morrison, 0:30:40.420 --> 0:30:44.550 it may well be for Albanese. In a moment or two, 0:30:44.590 --> 0:30:46.370 we'll get into the debate of the evening, but a reminder, 0:30:46.430 --> 0:30:49.430 we are coming to Karratha in Western Australia, and if 0:30:49.450 --> 0:30:51.450 you'd like to join us there in a couple of Sundays' time, 0:30:51.470 --> 0:30:54.220 you can do so, which is ourtownatnews24. 0:30:52.420 --> 0:31:00.160 Com. au. Ourtownatnews24. com. au. 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.860 Yeah, we're going to talk money and the bloke who 0:30:58.900 --> 0:31:02.050 apparently has no responsibility for the economy that he's driving 0:31:02.090 --> 0:31:02.810 into the ground. 0:31:03.330 --> 0:31:03.590 Next. 0:31:08.700 --> 0:31:09.660 Thank you so much for watching. 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.940 As we speak right now, a little more information is 0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.560 coming out about this flight that could well have resulted 0:31:15.620 --> 0:31:18.580 in everyone on it being killed. This, of course, is 0:31:18.620 --> 0:31:21.420 the flight that was making its way from the UAE 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:22.480 to Israel. 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:23.300 It ended up. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:27.340 Landing successfully in Saudi Arabia. As you can see there, 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.800 this is the timeline of things that took place when 0:31:30.900 --> 0:31:34.780 there was apparently the incident between pilot and co-pilot, we 0:31:34.820 --> 0:31:38.550 don't know which, and an attempted, well, stabbing which took 0:31:38.590 --> 0:31:42.200 place between one of those two pilots the person who 0:31:42.300 --> 0:31:45.979 is the the assailant the terrorist was eventually brought down 0:31:46.420 --> 0:31:48.940 but have a look there where imagine what it'd be 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.920 like to be inside the plane as it drops 17 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.210 and a half thousand feet that happened in the best 0:31:54.270 --> 0:31:57.470 part of Close to two minutes, somewhere between 90 seconds 0:31:57.510 --> 0:32:00.090 and two minutes. Imagine, thank goodness they were so high 0:32:00.210 --> 0:32:02.090 in the air. But you can imagine that that was 0:32:02.150 --> 0:32:04.430 the battle that was taking place. We've got a bit 0:32:04.470 --> 0:32:07.510 of information that is starting to come through from people 0:32:07.670 --> 0:32:11.650 who were in the airport in Tel Aviv waiting for 0:32:11.710 --> 0:32:14.630 the passengers who were due to arrive there. They're currently 0:32:14.710 --> 0:32:18.020 safe and sound in Saudi Arabia. When they move back 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.510 to Israel, we'll find out. But here's a mother of 0:32:20.570 --> 0:32:23.330 one of those passengers relaying the story that she heard 0:32:23.370 --> 0:32:27.090 from her daughter about what had happened inside this plane 0:32:27.510 --> 0:32:28.990 as it was making its way home. 0:32:30.330 --> 0:32:36.020 The plane started to lose control. So all the people, 0:32:36.060 --> 0:32:40.280 they scream, they think they are going. And after a 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:49.170 few minutes, two other pilots, they took the plane the control. 0:32:50.970 --> 0:32:56.790 And a few Israelis, they run away to the guy. 0:32:57.290 --> 0:33:01.710 He took a knife. They take his hand and put 0:33:01.770 --> 0:33:02.610 him on the floor. 0:33:04.070 --> 0:33:06.080 There was a lot of blood around. 0:33:06.100 --> 0:33:14.080 She said it's Crazy, crazy time. It's very hard to 0:33:14.180 --> 0:33:17.660 explain what happened there, but it was big stress. 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:19.380 Frightening. 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:21.910 That comes via the Reuters News Service and the BBC. 0:33:21.970 --> 0:33:24.469 All right, let's get into more Australian news right now. 0:33:24.490 --> 0:33:26.870 David Lindberg is a member of the Upper House in Victoria, 0:33:26.930 --> 0:33:30.710 running for re-election at the November election, of course. As 0:33:30.750 --> 0:33:33.230 a libertarian, I want you to support this bloke because 0:33:33.370 --> 0:33:35.350 he is the one who was there during COVID and 0:33:35.370 --> 0:33:36.910 he deserves to stay in Parliament for as long as 0:33:36.930 --> 0:33:39.990 he wants because... He's the one who's always genuinely willing 0:33:40.030 --> 0:33:41.730 to speak truth to power, as is our dear friend 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:43.800 Sean Bell, of course, the Senator for One Nation in 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:45.700 New South Wales. Lovely to see you both. So, Sean, 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.620 I'll start with you. The inflation picture, the interest rate picture, 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.800 and as I showed in chapter and verse, he had 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.520 a go at the former government for never fronting up 0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:55.840 to when news was bad. 0:33:56.180 --> 0:33:56.700 Well, guess what? 0:33:56.980 --> 0:33:59.880 When it's gone up 16 times under him, there was 0:33:59.900 --> 0:34:00.980 an excuse every time. 0:34:01.620 --> 0:34:04.260 Well, it's Jim Chalmers versus Jim Chalmers, isn't it? 0:34:04.260 --> 0:34:04.820 Yeah. 0:34:04.900 --> 0:34:07.640 And unfortunately, the failure of the Labor government to take 0:34:07.780 --> 0:34:11.259 any accountability for their terrible handling of the economy, the 0:34:11.860 --> 0:34:13.540 pain and the brunt of that's been borne by the 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:17.719 Australian people. I mean, government spending is an issue. The 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:22.220 cost of living and their obsession. If we're talking government spending, 0:34:22.260 --> 0:34:25.090 the number one thing they can do there is stop 0:34:25.110 --> 0:34:27.629 the wasteful net zero spending. The number one thing, because 0:34:27.690 --> 0:34:30.090 they're propping up a system with taxpayer money, which is 0:34:30.110 --> 0:34:34.340 only driving electricity bills higher. And electricity bills feed into inflation, 0:34:34.739 --> 0:34:38.080 which then drives those interest rate rises. And the government, 0:34:38.100 --> 0:34:39.500 and look at fuel. The other thing, the government is 0:34:39.660 --> 0:34:44.120 failing to take any action on things like domestic fuel security. 0:34:44.140 --> 0:34:48.430 I mean, people go, well, it's a bit like people 0:34:48.450 --> 0:34:50.109 sometimes say, how do you deal with a problem that's 0:34:50.230 --> 0:34:52.339 so monumental that And so, well, how do you eat 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.259 an elephant, Paul? One bite at a time. If we 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:59.170 don't start doing things like drilling for oil now and 0:34:59.210 --> 0:35:01.330 starting that process now, we're never going to be in 0:35:01.350 --> 0:35:05.010 a position where we're insulated from international shock. 0:35:05.350 --> 0:35:07.430 Yeah. I mean, David, you've seen it, of course, in 0:35:07.469 --> 0:35:11.200 Victoria about government spending, state government spending, state government debt 0:35:11.260 --> 0:35:14.219 is basically mirroring what's happening at the federal level. Again, 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.180 the libertarian in you, I'm sure, could find a red 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.620 pen and a budget and take it deep into about 0:35:19.660 --> 0:35:22.549 half of what it currently is. But what role do 0:35:22.590 --> 0:35:24.509 you think the federal government has to play, at the 0:35:24.550 --> 0:35:27.530 very least, in acknowledging that they do have some control 0:35:27.610 --> 0:35:28.710 over the Australian economy? 0:35:31.489 --> 0:35:35.009 I'm with Milton Friedman on this. Inflation is always a 0:35:35.050 --> 0:35:40.069 monetary phenomena. We've seen throughout Western governments and indeed many 0:35:40.170 --> 0:35:43.989 Asian governments, so United States and Japan have been expanding 0:35:44.010 --> 0:35:47.410 the money supply for decades now. Australia's been expanding it 0:35:47.510 --> 0:35:49.950 as well. And the reason that they expand the money 0:35:49.969 --> 0:35:53.210 supply is because they need more money to spend. And 0:35:53.690 --> 0:35:57.270 that's exactly right. If the federal government chose to spend 0:35:57.330 --> 0:36:00.530 less money, they wouldn't need to expand the money supply 0:36:00.610 --> 0:36:03.760 and we would see inflation ease. But unfortunately, we're not 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.700 seeing that from the federal government. The state government less 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:09.500 so because the state government can't print money, of course. But, 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.360 you know, a lot of the state government money comes 0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.040 from federal money grants and this sort of thing. So ultimately, 0:36:15.100 --> 0:36:16.960 some of it does come from the federal government. So 0:36:17.020 --> 0:36:19.279 they need to cut back spending if they want to 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.120 get inflation down. They'll never get it under control otherwise. 0:36:22.489 --> 0:36:24.830 But David, we've lived through this political cycle now for 0:36:24.850 --> 0:36:26.850 the best part of 20 years, which is that the 0:36:26.890 --> 0:36:29.870 federal budget is about what's in it for me. The 0:36:30.550 --> 0:36:33.759 running up of debt because modern monetary theory is that, oh, 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:35.620 they'll never call it in. But of course, as it 0:36:35.660 --> 0:36:38.540 is in Victoria, it goes from servicing the debt, the 0:36:38.580 --> 0:36:40.880 20th biggest bill that you have every month, till eventually 0:36:40.900 --> 0:36:41.660 it becomes. 0:36:41.700 --> 0:36:43.930 The biggest bill. This is why this stuff matters. 0:36:43.969 --> 0:36:45.970 It's not because we're a whole bunch of evil people 0:36:45.989 --> 0:36:47.470 who want to see more homeless people. 0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.840 Well, fortunately, the federal government and even the Labor Party 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:57.989 hasn't been so crazy as to embrace modern monetary theory. But, yes, like, 0:36:58.090 --> 0:36:59.529 it's a difficult... Not. 0:36:59.450 --> 0:37:00.190 Yet, thankfully. 0:37:00.250 --> 0:37:04.850 Well, hopefully, if the Greens get more influence, which I 0:37:04.890 --> 0:37:07.029 hope they don't, then we might end up in that 0:37:07.110 --> 0:37:11.600 awful place. But, ultimately, people need... You know, the government 0:37:11.620 --> 0:37:13.739 needs to tell the truth to people, right? They need 0:37:13.780 --> 0:37:16.580 to say that we need to cut back on spending. Otherwise, 0:37:16.700 --> 0:37:18.819 interest rates are going to keep going up because they 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:23.549 can't pretend that there's more dollars chasing more goods and 0:37:23.630 --> 0:37:26.890 somehow that's going to make things better. People are seeing 0:37:26.910 --> 0:37:29.080 it already with interest rates going up and up and up. 0:37:29.410 --> 0:37:32.540 The RBA has to raise interest rates when inflation goes up, 0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.180 otherwise we end up with bank runs or something horrible 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.980 like that. So, I mean, you know, they have to 0:37:38.060 --> 0:37:39.540 be honest with people and say, this is what we 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.270 have to do to get inflation down. They don't have 0:37:42.290 --> 0:37:45.190 the courage to do that. And I think they need 0:37:45.210 --> 0:37:46.029 to be honest with people. 0:37:46.390 --> 0:37:48.430 Let's talk about that new Greens leader. 0:37:49.010 --> 0:37:51.950 He's pretty successful in terms of the way that he 0:37:51.989 --> 0:37:54.989 can get his message across in terms of the media, Sean. But, 0:37:55.010 --> 0:37:57.739 of course, the message is that they don't know the 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:04.340 difference between turnover and profit. They have a very high-taxing agenda, 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:09.020 a very hardcore left-wing political agenda. The Greens leader says 0:38:09.060 --> 0:38:11.739 he's going to replace the Labor Party. You've been in 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.240 the Senate. You've seen how this bloke, David Shoebridge, works. 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:15.279 What's he going to be like? 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.500 Well, first of all, what a shocking out-of-nowhere win for 0:38:18.540 --> 0:38:21.819 a cis white male in the Greens. I mean, and 0:38:21.900 --> 0:38:24.600 with one fell swoop, suddenly One Nation's the only federal 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.200 party with a female leader. I mean, we're putting the 0:38:27.219 --> 0:38:29.219 Greens to shame at their own game here. And, look, 0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.540 the reality is the Greens have made a tactical choice here. 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:34.989 They decided that Maureen Farooqui was not going to be palatable. 0:38:35.010 --> 0:38:36.850 That would hurt their vote, and so they've gone with 0:38:36.890 --> 0:38:40.290 someone they think can deliver a subtler message. But the 0:38:40.310 --> 0:38:47.540 reality is Senator Shoebridge is still radical... socialist, high-taxing, climate-change-obsessed, 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:50.719 big spending. I mean, if they replaced Labor, things would 0:38:50.750 --> 0:38:51.470 be even worse. 0:38:52.450 --> 0:38:55.770 Interesting to watch that on the duty of care bill, right, which, 0:38:55.810 --> 0:38:58.010 of course, is the social media bill with that censorship 0:38:58.050 --> 0:39:00.530 pill right in the middle of it, he's been somebody 0:39:00.550 --> 0:39:04.040 who's openly talked about misinformation, disinformation. He's now in the 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.940 position to be able to be negotiating one-on-one. Labor can't 0:39:06.980 --> 0:39:10.500 get anything done without the Greens. So do you expect 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.330 him to be pushing harder to the left or just 0:39:13.489 --> 0:39:17.009 outright saying no to things? I mean, again, you've seen 0:39:17.050 --> 0:39:19.270 him in the Senate and how he plays. It's now 0:39:19.330 --> 0:39:21.509 his show. How do you think he runs it? 0:39:21.530 --> 0:39:22.489 I mean, it's very interesting. 0:39:22.510 --> 0:39:24.020 You bring up digital duty of care. 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.680 I mean, they were right behind that. And Senator Shoebridge 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.700 said that he was happy to try and use that 0:39:28.739 --> 0:39:29.560 to silence people. 0:39:29.580 --> 0:39:29.640 Mm. 0:39:30.050 --> 0:39:32.150 And again, it's just funny. One of the things he 0:39:32.190 --> 0:39:35.010 talked about in his first chance to speak as leader 0:39:35.070 --> 0:39:37.320 was how he's going to try and stop One Nation. 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.759 But One Nation, we're here to defeat the socialists, but 0:39:40.780 --> 0:39:43.560 we're also here, how do we stop the Australian people 0:39:43.580 --> 0:39:45.919 from going broke? You know, you don't do it by 0:39:46.260 --> 0:39:48.580 silencing them on social media. You do it by things like, 0:39:49.190 --> 0:39:51.890 One nation super pay boost legislation. And we're in the 0:39:51.930 --> 0:39:54.330 middle of a cost of living crisis and yet the Greens, 0:39:54.469 --> 0:39:58.680 they're dissolving internally over their own battles. So where's the 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.959 focus of the Australian people? The Greens are only focused 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.040 on one thing. How can they get more of your 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.040 money into the government's pocket? 0:40:05.100 --> 0:40:06.680 Well, and don't forget what David's got to deal with. 0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:08.470 I mean, talk about, you know, he's got his animal 0:40:08.510 --> 0:40:10.969 justice party, the cannabis people that are there. And then 0:40:11.010 --> 0:40:14.120 he's also a Victorian socialist. Mate, imagine that crossbench. It'll 0:40:14.140 --> 0:40:17.800 be fun to play with post the election. Obviously, we'll see. Hopefully, 0:40:17.820 --> 0:40:20.500 there's more libertarians and One Nation that are going to 0:40:20.540 --> 0:40:23.820 be there on that crossbench. But what about Melbourne City Council? 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:27.489 They've gone from woke... 1.0, which I think is what 0:40:27.550 --> 0:40:30.440 AOC used to say, to a midpoint before eventually we 0:40:30.460 --> 0:40:33.359 get to woke 2.0, which is that they've gone from 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:37.220 change the date to now, why don't we celebrate Australia 0:40:37.239 --> 0:40:41.410 Day more overtly? The council and the previous mayor took 0:40:41.489 --> 0:40:44.810 the lefty position where, of course, at the height of COVID, 0:40:44.830 --> 0:40:49.589 they cancelled and never returned the Australia Day parade in Melbourne. Well, 0:40:49.730 --> 0:40:53.830 Nicholas Rees voted to re-endorse Australia Day, but he thinks 0:40:53.850 --> 0:40:55.109 they should eventually change the date. 0:40:56.250 --> 0:41:00.270 Last night at Melbourne Town Hall and so there was 0:41:00.590 --> 0:41:05.910 an acknowledgement that 26 January is Australia's National Day as 0:41:05.989 --> 0:41:10.780 set by the Australian Government and that in alignment with 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:15.620 that the City of Melbourne would host events that mark 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:16.240 the occasion. 0:41:17.260 --> 0:41:19.279 David, what does this tell you about not just the 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.940 change in Melbourne City Council but the change perhaps in 0:41:21.980 --> 0:41:24.980 wider Victoria that it's not the worst day on the calendar? 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.750 Well, I think this is a great move by Melbourne 0:41:29.770 --> 0:41:33.089 City Council. I don't think that councils should be deciding which, 0:41:33.110 --> 0:41:36.989 you know, national holidays they want to celebrate and which 0:41:37.070 --> 0:41:40.950 ones they don't. The reality is most councils on Australia Day, 0:41:41.300 --> 0:41:42.920 one of the things that they do is they have 0:41:42.980 --> 0:41:47.259 citizenship ceremonies and many people who become citizens declare their 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.259 allegiance to Australia. And as you point out, we used 0:41:50.300 --> 0:41:53.080 to have this parade in the city. You know, it 0:41:53.100 --> 0:41:57.250 was cancelled just... around COVID time. But what used to 0:41:57.290 --> 0:42:00.910 happen in that parade was many of these migrant groups 0:42:00.950 --> 0:42:04.850 who'd become citizens would show their love for Australia and 0:42:04.930 --> 0:42:08.469 have these parades with their customary dress and things like this. 0:42:09.050 --> 0:42:11.529 And I think that we should bring that back. I 0:42:11.570 --> 0:42:14.140 think one thing that we're missing at the moment is 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:17.000 social cohesion more than ever. And if we can show 0:42:17.060 --> 0:42:20.160 that Australia's got all these wonderful migrant communities that have 0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.140 come to Australia and become citizens and show how much 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.000 they actually, you know, care for Australia and love Australia, 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:28.879 that can only be a good thing. 0:42:28.900 --> 0:42:30.160 I agree completely. 0:42:30.180 --> 0:42:32.000 And if Melbourne was willing to line the streets for 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.940 two out-of-town teams last week on the public holiday for 0:42:34.980 --> 0:42:36.700 a grand final, I reckon they'll turn out on a 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.460 public holiday for their own country. Sean seems like the 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.779 obvious place to be here, but our old mate Nick, well, 0:42:42.380 --> 0:42:43.299 he's happy to go along with it. 0:42:43.739 --> 0:42:45.319 So I'll say this, this is what I call the 0:42:45.469 --> 0:42:48.900 one nation effect. Because one nation is surging, it's just 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:55.600 suddenly you find people, mayors, governments, shockingly sensible. They'll start 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.339 throwing out, you know, little breadcrumbs, but don't fall for 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:01.720 it because the main course is right around the corner. 0:43:02.140 --> 0:43:03.440 So if you want to see more of this, if 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.540 you think that's a sensible decision, then you have to 0:43:05.580 --> 0:43:09.239 support one nation at the Victorian state election. Because when 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.500 one nation is strong... Other people are forced to do 0:43:12.540 --> 0:43:13.040 the right thing. 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:14.960 I hear what you're saying. Don't go for the vertebrae, 0:43:14.980 --> 0:43:16.700 go for the whole spine. All right, thank you, lads. 0:43:16.739 --> 0:43:18.489 I do appreciate it. Make sure you follow them both 0:43:18.550 --> 0:43:18.990 on socials. 0:43:19.250 --> 0:43:20.529 They're both very good and I'm glad they're in the 0:43:20.570 --> 0:43:22.470 parliament and I'm glad they speak to us as regularly 0:43:22.489 --> 0:43:22.930 as they do. 0:43:23.190 --> 0:43:24.370 The great Megyn Kelly is next. 0:43:24.850 --> 0:43:27.430 The BBC says that fingernails are racist. 0:43:27.910 --> 0:43:30.719 Seriously, fingernails and what you do or don't do with 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.000 them is racist. The Queen is next. 0:43:38.180 --> 0:43:39.440 It's our favourite time of the week to talk to 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.490 our favourite person in the world, the one, the only, 0:43:41.530 --> 0:43:42.510 the wonderful Megan Kelly. 0:43:42.530 --> 0:43:43.509 Megan, lovely to see you. 0:43:44.050 --> 0:43:44.810 Great to be here. 0:43:45.469 --> 0:43:47.969 Now, before we solve the world's problems, why is the 0:43:48.050 --> 0:43:51.799 BBC now saying that fingernails are racist? 0:43:52.940 --> 0:43:55.739 Honestly, I can't keep up. First of all, I want 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.040 to show my nails for the record. There is nothing. 0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.029 I have absolutely nothing on them. This is how I've 0:44:01.050 --> 0:44:05.469 been wearing them for years because I'm busy. And it's 0:44:05.590 --> 0:44:07.489 one less thing to have to worry about if you 0:44:07.510 --> 0:44:12.250 don't maintain your nails in like any fancy way. And 0:44:12.390 --> 0:44:15.900 I clean them and I will occasionally have them buffed out. 0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:19.160 I do get a pedicure. So occasionally I'll be like, 0:44:19.180 --> 0:44:21.560 can you handle the fingernails too? But I don't get 0:44:21.580 --> 0:44:25.529 polish on them. And I found out this week, That 0:44:25.570 --> 0:44:29.730 makes me a white supremacist. I had no idea the 0:44:29.770 --> 0:44:33.370 stakes were that high. I just thought it was because 0:44:33.390 --> 0:44:35.350 I'm a busy working mom and I didn't want to 0:44:35.390 --> 0:44:39.270 have to deal. So, yeah, no, the BBC would like 0:44:39.290 --> 0:44:42.739 you to know that if that's your chosen fashion statement 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.620 or just, you know, lack thereof, you're a white supremacist 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:54.799 because black culture originated the long decorative nail and that's you. 0:44:55.910 --> 0:44:59.410 eschewing them and judging them, the gals who came up 0:44:59.430 --> 0:45:03.609 with this trend. But honestly, Paul, I can't quite keep 0:45:03.710 --> 0:45:07.089 track because the other rule is if you go down 0:45:07.130 --> 0:45:11.230 to the Caribbean and the lady offers you to braid 0:45:11.450 --> 0:45:13.660 your hair or your daughter's hair and a couple of 0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:18.620 cornrows for $ 20, you are also a white supremacist if 0:45:18.660 --> 0:45:19.180 you say yes. 0:45:19.900 --> 0:45:20.279 So I guess. 0:45:21.170 --> 0:45:24.049 you cannot take the piece of the culture that has 0:45:24.110 --> 0:45:26.310 a braid. But if you don't take the piece of 0:45:26.330 --> 0:45:31.239 the culture that has the decorated nails, racist. Anything you do, 0:45:32.140 --> 0:45:35.680 you're a racist white supremacist. That's basically what the BBC 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:36.560 wants us to know. 0:45:36.980 --> 0:45:37.350 Got it. 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:38.239 Thank you. 0:45:38.980 --> 0:45:41.180 Do you think they have meetings about this stuff or 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:44.930 they just take every complaint, treat it seriously and enact 0:45:45.030 --> 0:45:45.910 it straight away? 0:45:46.830 --> 0:45:47.069 Yeah. 0:45:47.250 --> 0:45:51.140 I mean, most of us are like, where's the Strait 0:45:51.180 --> 0:45:53.969 of Hormuz? How do they get, how many millions of 0:45:54.010 --> 0:45:56.089 barrels are coming? How are they getting the barrels out 0:45:56.150 --> 0:46:00.069 if it's already blocked? And then we're quickly thinking, I 0:46:00.230 --> 0:46:01.549 don't give a and I don't want to talk about 0:46:01.570 --> 0:46:03.810 this at all. But in any event, that's how most 0:46:03.850 --> 0:46:06.850 of us spend our work days in the news rather than, 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:12.480 I'm sure that Whitey has done something deeply offensive today. 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.839 Let me scroll the annals of my mind to find 0:46:15.880 --> 0:46:16.360 the latest. 0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:18.800 There was a big meeting of all the major players 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:20.900 in AI at the White House today. 0:46:21.020 --> 0:46:24.050 Well, there's a belief that there should be tremendous self-regulation 0:46:24.710 --> 0:46:28.350 and we automatically have regulation with the Department of Justice, 0:46:28.390 --> 0:46:29.569 the FBI, all of that. 0:46:29.989 --> 0:46:32.259 Trump says nothing to see here, nothing to worry about. 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.799 The tech companies can regulate themselves. Is AI going to 0:46:35.820 --> 0:46:38.760 be a big thing for voters in the midterms in November? 0:46:40.090 --> 0:46:41.969 I think it's on the list. You can add it 0:46:42.270 --> 0:46:44.530 as one of the things that people are angry about 0:46:44.550 --> 0:46:49.510 and frustrated with Trump on because he's taken this. I mean, clearly, 0:46:49.850 --> 0:46:52.609 President Trump has come to the decision that we should 0:46:52.660 --> 0:46:55.720 not regulate it, that the U.S. is winning the AI war, 0:46:56.380 --> 0:46:58.620 that this is a good thing for us. And he 0:46:58.660 --> 0:47:00.799 just wants us to accept that. I mean, he's not 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.480 really making the case other than to say, whoever wins 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:07.489 AI wins. He says, I have this saying, whoever wins 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.319 AI wins. I'm not sure if we can count that 0:47:10.340 --> 0:47:13.259 as a saying. I think it needs to have a 0:47:13.300 --> 0:47:17.430 few more words, but whatever. He's not really trying to 0:47:17.469 --> 0:47:21.610 convince people. He just keeps saying that. And yet the 0:47:21.710 --> 0:47:24.630 other narrative about how it's going to ruin all of 0:47:24.710 --> 0:47:28.560 our jobs and our children's hopes of getting jobs and 0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:32.339 then also kill us is everywhere. So it would be 0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:35.299 nice to have like a robust debate on all of that. Like, 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.260 let's have the debate on whether we want our children's 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.960 jobs to be taken by AI and whether that is 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:46.280 a realistic outcome that we're staring down right now. Instead, 0:47:46.300 --> 0:47:50.610 what President Trump and many Republicans who follow his his signaling, 0:47:51.170 --> 0:47:53.590 are trying to do is create it into a red-blue issue. 0:47:54.050 --> 0:47:57.210 You know, like, oh, the Democrats are afraid of AI 0:47:57.350 --> 0:48:02.230 and want safetyism and to stifle growth. And the Republicans 0:48:02.290 --> 0:48:04.279 are the ones who are like, we're going to win. 0:48:04.300 --> 0:48:08.530 You know, America's number one. And I just have to say, I, 0:48:08.780 --> 0:48:13.100 I'm a registered independent, right, leaning conservative, but independent voter. 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.580 And I think a lot of people just like me 0:48:16.260 --> 0:48:20.480 just completely reject that framing. That just doesn't work for 0:48:20.500 --> 0:48:23.700 me here. This is something that could wipe out the 0:48:23.739 --> 0:48:28.190 jobs of Republican children and Democrat children and the lives 0:48:28.810 --> 0:48:32.450 of Republican children and Democrat children if what those who 0:48:32.489 --> 0:48:37.109 are on the inside fear comes true. So I think 0:48:37.150 --> 0:48:39.060 we owe it to the world to have an honest 0:48:39.100 --> 0:48:42.359 debate about how likely that is and what we are 0:48:42.500 --> 0:48:46.150 doing to to protect ourselves because these machines are already 0:48:46.930 --> 0:48:52.160 extremely scarily smart. And I just don't think Trump being like, 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:54.660 whoever wins AI wins is going to do it, especially 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.299 because there's also backlash against the data centers, which haven't 0:48:58.340 --> 0:49:01.339 been adequately sold to people. So I do think it's 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:04.009 on the list. You know, his core voters, the ones 0:49:04.030 --> 0:49:06.850 who loved him, are not happy about Epstein. They're not 0:49:06.870 --> 0:49:09.990 happy about the Iran war and the closeness with Israel. 0:49:10.650 --> 0:49:13.290 And they are not happy about AI. And all three 0:49:13.330 --> 0:49:16.130 of those, he's basically just said, you know, kind of 0:49:16.410 --> 0:49:18.630 piss off. It is the way I say it is. 0:49:18.930 --> 0:49:21.130 And you can see it in the numbers. People are 0:49:21.170 --> 0:49:22.270 not responding well to that. 0:49:23.230 --> 0:49:25.410 That's why we can't hide those poll numbers and the 0:49:25.450 --> 0:49:28.130 predictions of a major change in American politics. And, of course, 0:49:28.290 --> 0:49:30.950 what happens in America matters to the rest of the world. 0:49:31.540 --> 0:49:33.500 Hence why we keep an eye on it between now 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.060 and the first week of November. Something really crazy has 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.500 happened in the world of rugby league. It's never happened before. 0:49:39.540 --> 0:49:42.080 It's happened tonight, and you'll find out what it is next. 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:49.620 Penrith's Nathan Cleary has won the Daily M Player of 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.620 the Year in rugby league. He wasn't at the venue because, 0:49:52.660 --> 0:49:55.239 of course, of his injury, and that means he's the 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.000 first person in rugby league history to accept from his couch. 0:49:58.020 --> 0:50:01.260 I'd also like to thank my parents and my family. 0:50:02.300 --> 0:50:05.680 They've done everything for me. They've sacrificed so much and 0:50:06.020 --> 0:50:08.719 put so much time and effort into me growing up. 0:50:08.739 --> 0:50:12.650 But now, even in my older years, this whole year, 0:50:12.670 --> 0:50:15.049 I've actually been living at home with them because my 0:50:15.090 --> 0:50:18.129 house is getting fixed. So they've looked after me well 0:50:18.170 --> 0:50:21.450 this year. And, yeah, I can't thank them enough. And 0:50:21.710 --> 0:50:22.870 I also want to say a big thank you to 0:50:22.890 --> 0:50:27.330 my partner as well. It's tough doing the long distance, 0:50:27.450 --> 0:50:29.730 but she always makes me feel supported and loved. And 0:50:30.510 --> 0:50:31.589 that's all I could ever ask for. 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.290 Sorry for the overtime, guys. Here's the late debate.