WEBVTT - Surviving two firebombs: Owen Turnbull Pt.2 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.039 Detective sy aside of life the average person is never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.320 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.640 In part two of my chat with former bikey Owen Turnbull, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.360 we get into the heavy stuff about being a biking 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.480 There is a price to pay, and Owen talks about 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.880 that price. He talks about how his home was firebombed 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.720 and the time he shot in his home not once 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.399 but twice, going to prison and deciding this is not 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.319 the life for him. We also talk about what he 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.319 is hoping to achieve by educating young men about the 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:16.160 pitfalls of going down the path he did. Oh and turnbull, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:17.440 Welcome back to Part two. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.160 Can you thank you? 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.920 I catch killers? Okay, it's a pleasure. We talked a 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.959 little bit about the chaos of your life and how 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.480 you end up in Bikis and the rebels and the nomads, 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:34.399 and your role as sergeant at arms. That bought a 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:37.959 bit of heat heat down on you. That lifestyle what 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.920 I want to talk about now, because it's pretty Yeah, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.760 I won't even say current because it seems to go 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.880 on all the time, but drive by shootings that happened, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.720 that happen on a regular basis, and part of the 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.200 gang war. We talked in part one how they can 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.880 be just over some minor. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.400 Little social media post. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.680 Yeah, something as simple as that. Sometimes there's not an 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.480 underlying major reason for it. That just people make stupid decisions. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.200 But I got to say, from my observation, I think 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.720 most people when they look at look at drive by shootings, 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.440 it's cow this isn't it. Yeah, Like it doesn't take 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.280 a tough guy to drive past the place and spray 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:19.840 some bullets. 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:21.840 Bullets in there, fortunately in my Okay, So they got 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:22.720 out of the car and did. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.680 It Yeah, Well, let's I want to talk in detail 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.880 because there's not many people that have had their houses 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.360 shot up and set a light. So break it down. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.480 When was the first time your place was. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.920 Fire and you were shot in March a little bit 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.040 about ten thirty at night? 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.679 Okay? And what what was your position in the Club 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:44.880 of the Nomads. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.760 Yeah, unfortunately like the other club that will be with 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:49.680 new where I was because I was friends with them 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:50.440 at one point. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.480 So and who are you living there with? 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.400 Your dad? Was doing there? Okay? 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.280 Yeah? And so what you're You're at home. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.359 At home mum and Daddy's house. Yeah, Mum was away 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.680 at the time. And what happened, well about ten thirty 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.200 at night watching the movie and he's a big, big wolf, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.400 like a big something that what the fuck was that? 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.440 I look at me window and there's these big flames 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.040 coming over the house. Think, oh fuck you. You go 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.919 ran outside to get around open the door, and there 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.000 was that young fella carver on the short little feller 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.960 and he's the little four ten pointed at me. I'm like, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.200 go on there and door can't and then he did it. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.200 So we're talking at fourteen. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.640 Yeah, with bird shot though, So it's nothing crazy, but 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.880 still hurt. It was just like the photo, like you 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.240 could see like it was just burning. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.920 Okay, so people down and understand guns like a shotgun 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.640 so when it goes off at sprays, but the size 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.160 of the pellets make a difference in terms of the damage. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.360 Yes, I wasn't like before, like a buck shot. It 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.000 was like a bird shot, which is like you wouldn't 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:57.200 like tiny little pelts. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:58.480 Yeah, but you wouldn't know. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:03:59.520 I was fucking freaking. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.880 I was, Oh fuck, So someone's got a shotgun pointed 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:04.280 at you. Yere saw and off. 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.160 Yeah, it was a shortened fourteen years so he made themselves. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.800 You you've opened the door ten thirty at night? Yeah, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:11.960 what movie were you watching? 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.600 Watching Did John? I love that movie and I love 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.760 the Notebook and that too. I love that stuff. Jesus, Yeah, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:20.479 it was just did John? I remember that? Yeah? 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.599 Okay, well that that's something that we didn't expect. When 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.800 this is tough, hard Asspikey's placed up and came with 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.960 his dad watching Did John? 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:29.719 Was missus and. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.800 Okay, yeah, okay, watching I'm thinking that's that's getting out hit. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.160 We shouldn't laugh, yeah, but we are laughing. So your 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.359 flames going above your house. So Molotov cocktail or something 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:43.760 it was. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:50.640 It opened up my missus car fuel thing poured like 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.400 a rag lit it up bomb. That's the thing blew 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.320 up and then accord on to my car buck and 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.200 it's come all along the front verandas and the all 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.960 the smoke damage on top the house get on fire. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.360 So they've got me fucking trying to put out the flames. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.040 So you'd you've jumped out of the bed, you've come out, 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.120 You run out as you would when you hear something 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.239 like that. Did you think instantaneously it's a gang related 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:19.919 like it's. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.560 I knew it was about Okay, I was warned beforehand 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.320 it was going to happen, but because I thought this 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.880 kid was a blow ass all talk and I think 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.000 that whatever, but don't happen. 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.520 You've come you've come out, you run out, and your 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.000 underpants and come out, and there's a bloke there with 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.000 balaclav on and the shotgun point of that. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.520 Yeah, and I said, I said the thirst thing I 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.200 said was go and do it. Then can't And then 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.640 he did it. So I was in displief, was like, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:43.440 what the fuck. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.239 Do you regret saying go and do it then. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.000 Oh maybe more so if it was like a bugshot, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.760 it'll probably be dead. Well, you would be dead. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.080 You would would be dead. You would be dead. But 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.400 the point I'm trying to mate you didn't know that. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.039 Was too much, Adoline. I was think of just trying 0:05:59.080 --> 0:05:59.760 to save the house. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.080 Okay? Is that so that's just part of the persona 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.400 being the bike at the time. Fuck you are you 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:06.640 going to do it? If you've got the ball? 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.360 Yeah, people don't. That's why I was. I always thought 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.400 of a knife and all that. It's more personal. I'd 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.360 rather run away from someone with a knife than a gun. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.279 Okay, So when he let the shot off, regardless of 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.080 whether it's buckshot, it would have made the hell of 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:18.479 a noise. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.400 Felt that then you would kind of pushing back a 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.880 tiny bit, even though the pellets were like tiny dis believe, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.919 what the fuck? But then he ran and all my 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.560 next thought was just like to put out the fire. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.200 Where were you shot in the guts? 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:39.560 Okay? And did you did you think like quite often 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.680 when people are shot, they don't even realize they've been shot. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.919 Did you think I didn't feel it until like a 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.279 minute or two later. I knew what happened, but I 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.800 didn't feel like that was just started burning. I feel 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:54.039 like someone was stabbing me with cigarettes. Fucking agony. But 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.279 a lot of the pellets fell out straight away, like 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.760 the one or two that were there was just sizzling 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.000 burning in the skin. Yeah. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:06.080 When when you were shot with the buckshot did you 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.360 did you have to go to the hospital. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.000 Yeah, but I didn't go till like a day or 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.800 two later to get the last two pellets out. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:13.560 We're just playing hard ass biking. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:17.360 Doesn't talk 'spicially what I was doing. Yeah, they didn't know. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:21.640 Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at someone. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.480 That's it is. It's funny. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.720 It's a crazy, crazy world. So the cops would have 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:29.160 turned up. 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.960 Cops could turn up within like two minutes and crazy. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.000 They would have said, do you know what's going? They 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.280 would have known. Yeah, did you follow them? 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.160 Yeah? Yeah, I didn't say nothing to him because I 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.120 don't know what happened, you know what I mean? Then 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.520 went out to stay there because all the smoke damage 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.680 and stuff too, So I stayed another maid of mines. Yeah, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.760 you poor dad fucking stayed there still. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.920 Yeah, how did that make you feel like you had 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.120 your lady in bed with a piece of ship. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.000 It's like a fucking car's gone. Let pay for a 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:03.000 new car. Your fucking dad's gonna be like fuck. But 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.280 did you have a bit of trouble from it? So 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.160 it was more to so like fuck it. Hell, I 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.320 was just more upset about what I put the other 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.360 people through them myself. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.960 Yeah, well that's people should look at that, because it's 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.040 all right when you're on your own, Bravardo will fuck 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.440 you pull the trigger. But people, innocent people could have 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.480 got you once a place starts going up in flames 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.440 or whatever happened. So what was what was the end 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.720 result that hit the media? And did all through the media, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.120 please keep coming back at you, going what's going on? 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.960 We can't protect you if you don't talk to us, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.120 that type of stuff. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.240 It was all through the media, and then tried to 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:40.959 keep it hidden from you, mum, like I was saying. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.920 And then yeah, fucker's big up about that. She need 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.600 lost a job after that first one. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.520 So with that, you've been in the gang. What was 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.320 the consequences of that was? 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.920 And I obviously had to hit back and we did. 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:56.880 That was in the news to you. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.599 Did has that all been resolved through the courts or 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.280 or just any one of them. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.840 The four boy young kids that the fellas that did 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.640 mine all snitched on each other. Right, So, and I 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.719 was in there at the time when the one who 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.800 shot me come in and he didn't come to the mains. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.120 He was he went to protection, got bashed. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:18.800 Are you you were in prison? 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.960 Ended up coming in. Yeah, he got for that. He 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.440 got bashed, did come the mains, preture, got bashed like 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.520 broken jaw, and he got sent to strict protection, which 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.439 is like for rapists and pedals and stuff. He was 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.360 down there, he was too scared to come on the mains. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.959 Yeah, and that that was that was part of the 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:39.240 gang payback. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.080 Yeah. And they all rolled on each other after doing 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.080 that to my house. Yeah. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.560 Well yeah, as we said, I don't think it takes 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.160 much courage fire. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.160 Shots, say I reckon. It's a lot of easy to 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.960 pull a trigger, that is, to stab someone, most definitely. Okay, 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.319 So that that was the first time, what was the 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.520 first one, and a lot of tip for tat we're 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.920 going at them back at us. And the second time 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:05.400 it happened to. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.280 And I don't want to spark off more more conflict, 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.320 but that was just rivalry between. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.040 It was basically people that weren't even like really part 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.280 of the drama and the beef. We're getting involved, getting 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.920 touched up and stuff for it all because. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.360 There was a lot going on in Camber at the time. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:27.440 It was not huge, always in the news, always in 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.679 the news. And then the second time would happened, it 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.640 was fucking they come in. They had more way more 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.280 heavy artillery. So like I didn't answer the door, I 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.360 didn't have time to answer the door. I heard another 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:37.000 big wolf. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.040 How long after the first one. 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.840 It would have been about a month. So I had 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.400 fixed all the house up, painted all the front, the front, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.280 like everything like that. I got it all cleaned up, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.760 paid all the money, and that happens again, and I'm thinking, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.480 of fox sake, I'm over this shit. It's like I 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.840 heard another big wolf at night, like a big boom, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.280 and then I walked out. There's even more stuff on 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.840 fire than the fucking last time. And I didn't realize 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.319 that the guns they used one was there was like 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:05.680 a forty five and a nine mill and they fucking 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:10.560 found one of the bullets, like traveled through my parents' room, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:15.000 through their bathroom, through the family room into my bathroom 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.520 at the end of the house like a cupboard. Sorry, 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.959 just before the bathroom enlidged in a fucking one of 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.120 my old photo albums. So if anyone was in that 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.520 fuck that's when I went outside. All the cops were 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.960 there within fucking minutes. It's world how that happens. How 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:35.080 they're there within minutes, And I detective goes, mister Turble, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.600 someone could have been fucking murdered. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.280 Look what are you doing? 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.520 And look what are your calls? And I think, fuck, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.120 you know what I mean. But I'm thinking, like they did, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.440 the trajectory of the bullet and my dad in bed 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.640 and my mom, and they said if my mom was 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.959 in the bed at the time, she would have been hit, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.120 And I'm thinking it more than likely would have died. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.480 You know, you don't know. I wouldn't want to take 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:56.280 that chance. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.800 When your second attack, when it was fire bombed, you 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:01.520 said there was more damage. What was it? What was 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:01.960 done to it? 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.520 This time? There was way more smoke damage that came 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.720 all in through the house. Yeah, Like the whole ceilings 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.959 were all black, the every all the bushes and trees 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.480 out the front all gone, burnt, burnt, to a crisp 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.760 the wood like the concrete porch, and then you got there, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.520 like the wood, I don't know what they're holding up 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.840 the thing all burnt, like just hanging by a thread, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.480 like the front of the roof was hanging down. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.280 Seems like the whole place could have burnt. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.040 Oh yeah, they had There was a couple of joy cans, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.600 and they had the gas barbecue gas things what they called, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.640 you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, Like obviously they 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.760 didn't understand like there was it was still smoke and 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.319 shooting out of flame and I'm grabbing that tron. The 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.280 gas bottles, Yeah, gas bottles. They didn't They didn't explode though. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.520 To me that yeah, if I was looking at it 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.640 from a homicide to take this point of view, that 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.160 that's a real intent to do some serious damage. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.480 To gas bottles. Yeah, then it didn't explode though. They'll 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.920 turned on obviously because you see the fucking fire pissing 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:03.440 out of the top. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.560 They wanted to wanted to keep you. 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:07.840 That would have done some damage. And then there's two 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:13.960 Jerry cans, then the high powered Yeah, whether they chuck 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.920 forty five bullets into a nine moments, I don't know. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.560 How many? How many thoughts were shot? 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.720 Five? It's not a full kip or anything, but. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.880 Yeah, crazy crazy times. Okay, breaking it down a couple 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.920 of things. Observations I make from that. They've had to 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.280 go at you the first time? Yeah, get it didn't 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.280 get you. They're going to do it properly this time. Yeah, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.600 come back with more pistols. Yeah, So how did that 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.520 de escalate? Because that's just building up? Like, what were 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.720 you thinking? Like, I'm thinking, if someone's trying to kill me, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.320 back at them? What was going through your mind? 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.800 I was going to fucking getting back at them, but 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.400 then I got locked up? Yeah? 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:50.960 Is that a good thing in hindsight? 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.920 Yeah, I'd say so fucking I'd prefer to be in 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.600 jail for a short stint than I would for maybe 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:00.439 possibly shooting someone, hitting them and stuff. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:08.040 Yeah, So what's your take on all these drive by shootings? 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.959 You think there is as cowardly as what's gone on 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.040 with your place. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.040 I think drive wat shings it's always like you, I 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.040 don't think the intent is to ever hit someone, but 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.880 sometimes you can, and then your intent isn't there to 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.920 hit them, and then you're just this young kid like 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.480 then told to do something, want to look tough, shoot 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.920 up some bricks school and then you've accidentally shot someone 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.000 through a window, and then your whole life's fucked and 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.960 what have you thrown it away for nothing? Just looked tough, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.800 so cool, you're tougher than me, I was tougher than you, 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.360 or stuff like that. You know what I mean. It's 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.680 pretty fucking silly in my opinion. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.360 I'm glad. I'm glad that's that's your opinion. But how 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.880 did you feel about yourself? But because you potentially yeah, 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.040 put your people that you're loving. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.400 Oh yeah, I was minding give a fuck about myself 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.000 at that time. I was just more upset about me, 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.960 fucking like me, possibly you mum getting hurt like he's 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.920 she was away on deployment or something like that. Otherwise, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.840 like fun, I won't be able to live myself. We devastated. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.840 We fucking imagine that you haven't seen mother because you 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.960 want to be a tough boy in a gang. Yeah, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.480 so you fucking you go and tip tap being tough, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.560 who's who's tougher? I'm tougher than you, because you know 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.200 what I mean? And then your mum's getten shot and 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.080 possibly killed for what because you fucking want to be 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.320 tougher over social media or something like that. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.960 So how did you how did you break away from 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:30.680 the game? 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.880 Slowly started like thinking. I was like, wait, that was 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.120 a wake up call. It was like the fuck you know, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.840 I'm practically leaving and like these kinds don't give a fuck, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:38.600 like they didn't care. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.000 So the shootings were after you before before before. 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.640 Yeah, something like they don't even give a fuck about me, 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.600 you know what I mean. Like it's awkward to be right, brother, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.120 you know what I mean, You're going to pay more 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.400 money to fix this or stuff like that, and I 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:53.760 think I'm gonna quietly leave, you know what i mean. 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.320 Gave him war me club gears. I'm going on a break. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:00.320 You quit when you're inside? Yeah, okay, and what's the 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.840 process it? I would type up a resignation. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.280 All five of us left in jail. 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.200 Left you just made it clear we're. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.040 Not we're done with you. So yeah, just like now 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.040 we had enough and like just being Yeah. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:18.120 Is there any any consequences of walking out like the. 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.720 Way you did? No, not for me, No, yeah, because 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.160 of the position, like the normally position you leave. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.520 You're still writing I've ridden. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.600 In years, probably since before even prison was. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.560 That part of the attraction in the in the bikis 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.600 when you're all you go on the annual runs. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.600 And you look cool, you think you do, but like 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.440 a lot of time people are just like fuck with you. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.040 It's like he's got all these we just call my 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:47.680 country bikes. They'd be like late fifties fucking walking around 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.840 in club gear and stuff, and I think they're the toughest, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.000 all the baddest guys. And you get like young guns 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.240 like me, you just be like looking at it like 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:54.600 you're a fucking loser, you know. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.480 Yeah, So you get you get out of prison, What 0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:58.960 did you do? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.000 I went and got pizza because I was already set. 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.920 I was I got up early, freshened up. When I 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.840 got out, I was fucking lean because I was a 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.960 training every day. I was eating right in prison, tuna rice. 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.359 There's no breeds in there, you know what I mean. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.520 Went got a pizza, and then the day after that 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.639 is when I went and booked myself in for COT 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:21.399 to start. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.560 So you walked out with all the intent I'm not 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.080 going back in the gates, Shah. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.359 I went got a pizza because I had pizza in years, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.719 and then then the day after that, I signed up 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.920 for the start of the semester in the February, but 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.720 I got out in the late October, so a couple 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.679 of months. But between then and starting school, I was 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.840 working for my mate. So I got out and started 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.480 work within two days as well. So I want to 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.280 keep active because I had a great routine in prison, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.560 but it's hard to keep that same routine when you 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:50.920 get out. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.000 As in the Staying Fit. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:54.960 Safe, I'd get up at a certain time, get up, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.720 go to a bed at ten, get up a train, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.240 and then when you get out, like you can do 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.080 it for a bit, and then life gets gets in 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:01.800 the way, you know what I mean. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.240 Well, that's part of being institutionalized too, isn't it. You're 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:06.120 getting that regiment. 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:11.280 Yeah, yeah, I genuinely loved it, okay, because there's like 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.439 up train, eat bed, you can you could, you can 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:17.280 try and do it out here. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.959 It was too hard, too many complications when you're out 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:20.440 in the real wars. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.240 When I got out as well, stopped like the lights 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:29.040