WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 13 March 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.000 On scoring lives Ostrodia. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.280 This is the Wader Panety Show. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.200 Good evening and welcome to the Reader Panehy Show. We 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.440 have a packed program for you coming up tonight. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.440 Fresh from a massive. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.200 Winning court against the Guardian newspaper, the Great Douglas Murray 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.759 will be here and he'll be covering everything from the 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.520 Left spat wire against Elon Musk to the horrific scenes 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.440 out of Syria in local news. Electricity bills are about 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.200 to increase further with a nine percent jump for many customers. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.240 Gary Hardgrave will have the details and. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.000 We'll discuss calls to court an American tourist over a 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.560 baby bombat stunt. The laters from the US will be 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.240 always insightfuled Bertie Elga Sagon and later in the hour 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.920 kinsisco Field with royal and celebrity news, including a much 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.880 loved pop star under attack for praising Tucker Carlson and 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.720 Tonight's Left is Losing It. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.680 Has a non binary musical flavor. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:16.240 And we can't get enough of They their energy, But first, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.920 the Australian Energy Regulator has approved an increase of up 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.240 to nine percent to the maximum price that energy providers 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.240 are allowed to charge their customers as the nation's energy 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:32.160 grid becomes increasingly expensive to run amid Labour's renewables push, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.280 Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen had this handy 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.000 hint for Australians struggling with energy costs. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.360 And I think these figures show an important opportunity to 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.479 remind Australians that you can do better and shop around 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.720 for a better deal. Now we've made it easier in 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.880 the Albanezi government to switch energy providers. And there are 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.360 two websites which are very useful. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.000 Joining me now for more on this the Sky News 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:02.160 contributor Gary Hardgrave, Gary Shop, thanks for that advice, Chris 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.320 mo And how out of touch is this clown? 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.760 He thinks he's completely in touch, but he's living in 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.840 a non real world. He's an activist, he is not 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.440 a ministry. He doesn't care about every day Australians and 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.960 it's pretty evident every time he speaks. You know, I 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.680 remember the days before we had expensive energy, we had 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.240 coal fired power energy and we were just able to 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.360 nowly switch we wanted was the one on the wall 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.680 where we flicked the switch and it always came on 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.120 and the bill didn't shock us as much as it 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.040 does now, and I for the love and we don't 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:39.160 understand why somebody in politics isn't saying clearly, well, you 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.880 know what, let's go back to that. Let's go back 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.920 to coal fired power. Let's burn that beautiful black coal 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.400 we've got in the ground just a few hundred kilometers 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.079 to the northwest of where I am here in Brisbane. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.600 Let's burn plenty of that. Let's create more cheap electricity, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:58.040 baseload power. Let's get our industries going. And the whole 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.040 tariff thing, all of this stuff doesn't matter because unless 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.800 we're actually making stuff in Australia at a cheap and 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.320 competitive price, now over see is going to buy from us, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.160 and we keep buying all this cheap stuff from overseas 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.000 because we're so done expensive and the number one reason 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.480 is electricity. Look, I know you can get rid of Bowen, 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.440 you can get rid of him tomorrow. But the trouble 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.760 is the policy is wrong and the Left are pandering 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.000 to activists, they're pandering to zelots. They've now got to 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.399 start to actually deal with what common sense everyday Australians want, 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.359 and that is cheaper power, reliable power, and where it's at, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.440 you know, We had hundreds of thousands of people in 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.800 Southeast Queen's Name without electricity in the last week because 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.760 of that cyclone and the floods. Those two events ironically 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.800 save them a power bill. I mean, is this Chris 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.720 Bowen's idea the cheapest way to get cheaper electricity is 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.920 just to turn the power off. Is that the switch 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.440 he really means? I think, turn him off, get rid 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.400 of this government and start to get real. And I 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.680 want Peter Dunton to get real on this. So forget 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.040 the renewable stuff. Let's get on to baseload power, coal 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:07.240 fired power. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:12.480 I say, well, Peter Dutton has called for Chris Bowen's 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.600 sacking today, is called on the Prime Minister to remove 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.039 his minister. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.200 But he's not going to do that. We know that. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.120 And I think Peter Dutton needs to look at his 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:26.040 own party's policies because yes, they've got nuclear there which 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.800 provides base load power, but they've still signed up to 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.400 net zero goals. They're still part of the Paris Climate Deal, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:35.840 and you just. 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.160 Can't provide cheap, reliable. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.040 Energy and make that your top priority when you're signed 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.040 up to these green schemes. Now, let's turn our attention 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:51.320 to the Trump tariff debacle. Former Foreign Minister Bob Carr, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.480 who's an avid Trump hater, but he had this to 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.560 say on the ABC's seven point thirty last night. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.799 I don't think we should have retaliatory tariffs regular in America. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.520 We shouldn't delude ourselves that America regards us as special. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.120 This comes after Foreign Minister Penny Wong revealed that she 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:15.440 learned about Australia being denied a tariff exemption from the media. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:17.200 Gary and Anthony. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.920 Albernizi Is also revealed that he hasn't been able to 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.160 get a phone call with the president. With President Trump, 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:29.240 I've got to say, Gary, I'm not shocked. We've had 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.920 the Prime Minister, We've had a number of his senior 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:39.480 ministers over the years make some really idiotic anti Trump statements, shortsighted, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.600 reckless and if they thought that wasn't going to have 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.320 an impact, they're wrong. It may have not made the difference, 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.320 but it certainly isn't helping right now, and it speaks 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.120 volumes that the Prime Minister can't even get a phone 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:54.599 call with the President right now. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.640 Well, sure it does. There's nothing special in a relationship 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.039 and look let's face it, the Red Publican's emblem is 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.880 an elephant, and Trump has an elephant like memory about 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.040 all of this stuff. And why wouldn't he. I mean, 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.120 look at the way we've turned our back on the 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.280 United States in recent times, at the international events. We've 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:18.200 sided with the terrorists in Gaza. We've not sided with 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.880 America trying to bring about peace there. We've gone exactly 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.640 the opposite on these international issues which America would normally 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.279 have relied upon us to stick with them. Now, look, 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.320 it's fine, we can make our own mind up about 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.960 these things. But we've gone the wrong way with all 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.719 these things. And knowing that Trump was on about tariffs 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.640 and seeing it as a way of stopping what he 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.479 sees as a rip off of American consumers and all 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.960 these things. I mean, there's a lot of irony in there. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.920 And I'm all for free trade, but reckless free trade 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:51.400 has not actually helped Australia. And the problem, reader, is 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.480 this that we have signed up, as you say to Paris, 0:06:54.880 --> 0:07:01.000 China doesn't, India doesn't, Indonesia doesn't, America is out. We 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.320 should be making a statement that we are far more 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.440 likely to be in partnership with America the biggest economy 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.920 in the world than anywhere else in the world. And 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.679 if the two big economies that China and America, America 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.560 and China are not in Paris, why are we in it? 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.360 So we're not actually even showing that we think the 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.680 relationship between Australia and America is anything else than a 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.800 one way street. It's what we can get from them. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:26.480 Well, you know what. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.840 They're telling us, to smarten up our get off our 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.360 backside and start making a bit of effort for ourselves. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.320 And oh, by the way, put Australia first. I think 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.520 if we had that rhetoric coming out of the mouths 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.920 of this crazy Prime minister in his government and his 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.040 foreign minister, maybe things might be a bit better today. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:46.640 Ah. 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.720 Can you imagine if we had an Australia first approach, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.960 if the top priority was yep, our living standards, making 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:59.200 sure we had cheap energy, well paid jobs, getting maximum 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:03.680 value for being blessed with natural resources, it would be 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:08.440 one of the most prosperous populations anywhere in the world. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.640 With the amount of uranium cold gas that we're sitting 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.360 on top of. As it should be, as it should 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.040 be now, Gary, Before you go. I've got to get 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:22.760 your input into this debate that's been raging today. There's 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:27.640 calls to deport an American hunting influencer, Sam Jones, who 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.760 claims to be a wildlife biologist and environmental scientist. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:35.240 Now she posted a now deleted. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.200 Video of herself stealing a baby wombat from its mother, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:44.640 laughing as the distressed wombat ran after her baby. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:45.760 Let's have a look at the clip. 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.559 Just caught a baby wombat. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:55.480 Look at the mother. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.199 It's like, oh, chased it. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.720 After Thank. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.200 Okay, mama's right there, she's pissed. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:10.400 Let's let them go. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:17.640 Gary, I just was so enraged when I saw that. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:18.920 That is just gross. 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.800 I don't care if there was no malice, it's still 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.600 cruel dangling that poor baby wombat and obviously distressing the 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:32.480 poor mother. I don't know if deportation is the punishment, 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.920 but it's certainly something that deserves to be criticized heavily. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.040 I've only got twenty seconds. What's your take. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.439 I was on the kids show Wombat in the late 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.360 seventies early eighties. I'm passionate about wombats. There are an 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:51.679 endangered species, but the inhumanity of stealing a Joey Wombat 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.880 from the Mother should actually get as much punishment as 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:59.000 we can probably meet her, so deport never have a back. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.520 I don't know, but it's disgusting, simply disgusting. 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.079 We're on the Unity ticket there. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:11.360 Gary Hardgrave, thanks for your time tonight. Cheers joining me 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.439 now is one of the finest thinkers of his generation. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.640 Best selling author Douglas. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.080 Murray, Douglas, you've just had a comprehensive victory against The. 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.080 Guardian will delve into that. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.920 Surely it was a total and utter humiliation for the publication. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:27.079 But let's start in the. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:32.239 US, where the attacks against Elon Musk have intensified. His companies, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.280 including x and Tesla, are also under attack. Or because 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.319 he's part of the Trump administrations, those who are once 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.560 formed over him a few years ago are laying the 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.160 boots in now. Even aging rocker Bob Geldof has launched 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.720 into an extraordinary tirade, saying that Elon Musk is literally 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.520 taking food out of the mouths of starving children. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.040 The richest man in the world have decided to take 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.200 away an of the life support systems of the most 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.320 fun of the poorest children on the planet, quite literally 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.560 take the last food from their mouth, quite literally, take 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:12.560 the bandages of the gang raped woman, quite literally. Stop 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.600 AIDS five million eights offerers getting their things so they 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.679 will die in a matter of weeks. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.120 This is the USIID. 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.480 This is Trump and Moscow and all those. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.000 Other creeps Douglas quite literally. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.960 That's an example, isn't it of the unbelievable hyperbole and 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:37.480 rancid insult that is now allowed to pass for public 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:42.800 discourse or public discussion. Everybody, you can see that the 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.240 ambition of Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:54.440 is to stop obscene government waste from the US federal government, 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.600 which is of course not just It's not just random 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.400 money that comes out of the air. It is the 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:06.560 US taxpayers money. And there isn't a case of Elon 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.520 Musk trying to take food out of the mouth of 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:15.080 starving children or stop people dying. There is simply an 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.800 effort after effort that is going on in DC, and 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.080 goodness knows, there is such an entrenched bureaucracy there that 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.520 it is extremely hard to do. But there is simply 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.360 an effort by him to stop the obscene waste of 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.600 American taxpayer money. Now as Musk himself has said there 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.400 have been occasions where they've they've canceled a project and 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.720 then discovered that that was a mistake and uncanceled. The 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.560 example he gave was recently in the White House was 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.440 there was there was an ebola prevention program that was 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.880 was one of things that was cut, and they realized 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.840 that was a mistake, as he as he said, you know, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:58.880 everyone's anti ebola, and they reinstated the program. So it's 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:02.160 inevitable that if you're going to cut in a bureaucracy 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:07.439 this obscenely large and wasteful and try to lose up 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.640 to two trillion of that overspend that the US does 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.760 every year, it's in evident they're going to be some 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.640 mistakes around the edges, but a doge a mask of 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:18.760 trying to rectify them. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.640 Why it is just just why it is the case. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:28.959 That so many celebrities and activists and others should regard 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.000 this as controversial is very striking. It is not possible 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:39.080 for America to keep paying more in paying down its 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.160 debt on its borrowing than it does on its military. 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.760 It's not possible for America to remain in that situation, 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:51.960 and it should be highly desirable that the world's superpower 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.920 does not remain a heavily indebted and overspending nation. I 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.480 don't understand why so many people aren't that difficult to get. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.080 And this is what the American people voted for. That's 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.360 something else. They seemed more to understand that we just 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.840 had an election and the president has a mandate to 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.520 do precisely what he's doing. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.800 I want to ask you about Syria. 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.480 There's just horrific scenes coming out of that country, the 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:25.040 torture and slaughter of religious minorities. Sadly, it's all too predictable. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:31.360 Tulsy Gabbard, amongst others, warned about precisely this happening, but 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:36.920 it seems not everybody was aware. Rory Stewart and Alistair Campbell, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.800 we're all too happy to do a softball interview with 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.080 Islam Asmad al Sahara. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:42.960 Let's have a look. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.920 It's strange for me sitting with you because we were 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.640 both in Iraq together in two thousand and three, but 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.040 we were on different states. I was part of the 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.240 American British occupation and you were fighting for al Qaeda 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.120 against the occupation, and I never mentioned I would sit 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.280 down like this to talk to you this week. What 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.280 do you reflect over time on this experience and looking 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.400 back over these years on that moment. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.960 And Rory Stewart posted this on x about the interview 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.400 with the Jihades, saying, amazing interview, a real privileged to 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.200 be back in Syria, stunning turn of events and the 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.520 most incredible story with so much unknown for the future. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.600 I mean, really they describe this man as a fighter 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:28.320 turned president Douglas. Are these two just incredibly naive or 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.160 incredibly thick? 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.040 There are no are there any other options at this point? 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:35.480 It's extraordinary. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.200 I mean, Alison Campbell is just a deranged maniac by 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.080 his own admission. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.360 Rory Stewart is a clever guy. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.480 But just look at that, look at that extraordinary. 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.800 Thing he refers to himself. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.400 When he was the government, the governor I think of 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.920 Nazaria Province for a time after the two thousand and 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.360 three war, he describes himself as being part of the 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:02.680 occupation of forces and then the g has turned president 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.280 as being anti occupation. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.560 Now, if you. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.080 Start from the premise that most people think occupation sounds 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.160 like a bad thing and being anti occupation sounds like 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.920 a good thing, that makes Rory Stewart, the self confessed. 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:19.520 Bad guy and the g head. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.600 Is that just the kind of freedom fighter let's throw 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:28.000 off the evil oppressor colonialists type. What a way to 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:33.760 frame yourself, your country that war, and in particular, what 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.560 a wonderful way to frame the. 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:44.080 Man that you're interviewing. I mentioned on X this past week. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.560 If Rory Stuart and Alistair Campbell had been interviewing somebody 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.440 who voted for Brexit in twenty sixteen, or somebody who 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:57.239 even voted for Trump in twenty twenty four, they would. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.480 Have thrown everything at them. It would have been a 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:00.880 full donating. 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:06.199 Rage of hostile questions and hostile framings. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:06.880 Of the interview subject. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.560 But you have a Ghadist in front of you who's 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:15.720 just overtaken Syria, and it's all fawning and soft balls, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:23.640 and it's really indicative of where a significant portion actually 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:29.159 of the sort of centrist political class still is. And 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.600 it's all about the usual thing, self loathing, self blame. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.960 No one can do anything bad unless the West makes 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.600 them do so. And you know, then lo and behold, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:47.359 the completely predictable happens, and the Ghadist who takes over 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:53.000 the Syrian government under his watch, of course, ethnic minorities. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.920 It's usual story across the Middle Least. Wherever the Islamists move, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:04.360 everyone else loses. Whether it's Christians, whether it's minority Islamic sects, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:10.960 whether it's any other minority. Everybody loses when the Islamists advance. 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.879 And it's just so sad that, as it were in 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:18.639 Roy Stewart's terms, after all of these years, indeed, after 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.160 all of these years, we've learned so little. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.639 So little, and learnt so little from similar experiences elsewhere. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.080 That just gosh. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.160 From someone who comes from the Middle East, I'm continuously 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:39.320 shocked by just how naive educated people can be on 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.520 that region. Now let's go to the UK. 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:43.440 We're reformed. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.119 They've gone from recording spectacular pole numbers. There was a 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.960 pole where they were leading everybody. They were leading the 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.320 Tories in every national poll at one stage. But now 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.600 they're in the midst of this damaging internal row between 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.800 Nigel Farage and Rubert law Law Douglas. Can they recover 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.199 from this? Can they be the dominant Conservative force in 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.359 the UK? And what is this clash. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.840 All about is just a matter of egos. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.360 It's actually a little early to say you're right, Reform 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:22.760 has been pulling extraordinarily well in recent weeks. And as 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:27.879 I see it, there's always in small parties, you know, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.040 new parties, there's always a lot of churn and turmoil 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.119 and actually saying the Spectator this week, you know it 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.320 sort of it requires quite a microscope sometimes to get 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.159 under what's actually going on in such internal rows on 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.199 the right as on the left. But from what I 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.000 can see, it actually boils down for once to an 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:56.440 issue of policy and not of personalities. Nigel Fara seems 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.760 to have been making a grab for the moderate center 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:06.520 of politics, whilst Rupert Lowe has been going in a 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.880 different direction. And Rupert Lowe has been going very hard 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.800 actually in Parliament and on social media and someone about 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.760 issues like the deportation of illegal migrants in the UK. 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.560 Now Nigel Farage has been reacting to these statements of 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.440 Rupert Lowe's by increasingly, it seems, giving interviews in which 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.280 he says that it's just not possible to deport all 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.399 of the illegal migrants who are in the UK and 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.560 he's not going to get into that discussion. I think 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.520 that is a very very interesting difference. As I say, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.080 maybe Farage is simply trying to tack to the political center, 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.719 and maybe Rupert Lowe is trying to appeal more to 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.679 the right. Maybe they're both saying what they just actually think. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:57.119 But it is a very very interesting disagreement because to 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.520 my mind, if you say we have perhaps millions of 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.320 people in the country illegally, many of whom have been 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:07.879 carrying out acts of criminality, all of whom carried out 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.720 an act of criminality by breaking into the country illegally, 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.040 then they should be made to leave. It seems to 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.199 me that's a perfectly reasonable policy. Night or Farage is 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.359 clearly terrified of the policy or of saying that, and. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.560 So instead he's saying, well, you know, it just can't 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:25.240 be done. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.960 I think there's not much point of a party of 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.280 the right, particular one to the right of the Conservatives, 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.920 that simply says we're going to sit back and not 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.840 do anything about the existential threats to our country. So 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.840 I think it is actually beyond personalities for once, there's 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.520 a serious rift here on the right, and it's going 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.680 to be very interesting to see because either Reform can 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.439 continue to be a party where people who are opposed 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.920 to the mainstream narrative recent decades can put their trust 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.560 or it isn't and it falls apart, as so many 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:57.920 small parties have before. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.520 Yes, it needs to decide where it stands on that issue. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.920 That is an important one. And got to say I'm 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.320 pretty surprised by Nigel Faraja's. 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:09.400 Stance on that. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.919 Now I mentioned the Guardian newspaper. They've made a big 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:17.040 song in dance about leaving X. They said that was 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:22.320 because the platform was full of disinformation and misinformation. Well 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.879 it's the Guardian that has had to issue a fullsome 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:30.679 apology for disinformation misinformation. The apology has been to you, Douglas, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.879 and from what I understand, a big fat check as well, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:39.400 because they falsely accused you of supporting violent racist attacks 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.360 during anti immigration protests in the UK last year. 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:44.200 Tell me about this. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.040 Case, and just before you do, if I could just 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.680 read from one of the core documents, this is about 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.480 as comprehensive an apology as one could find. The defendant, 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:59.120 through me apologizes unreservedly to mister Murray and it's pleased 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.320 to set the records straight. It acknowledges that the allegations 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:08.320 were false and has agreed to pay substantial damages Douglas, 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.280 congratulations on the victory. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.760 How did this come about, Well, it came. 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:19.000 About because the journalists in question, a man called Kennan Mallick, 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.920 wrote an article last summer that a very heated and 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.800 worrying time in the UK, which simply lied about me, 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:33.440 simply spread falsehoods about me. And you know, if you're 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.720 in any kind of public life, you have to get 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.920 used to quite a lot of rough and tumble, and 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.720 you know, when you think of reaching for the lawyers, 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:48.040 then it's you know, usually quite quite it's quite rare. 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.800 I think that people, actually, certainly people like me, feel 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:54.240 the need to do that. But on this occasion, the 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:59.679 colu that the Observer published was so gratuitously false and untrue, 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:06.399 and so libelous and damaging actually that I decided I 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:07.240 had to take action. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:09.320 I'm no fan of. 0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:10.879 The Guardian newspaper group. 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.600