1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Good friend of the show. It was hard to watch 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: last night because we hadn't spoken to Johnny Ruffoe for 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: quite a while. He was waiting on some very important news. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: His brain cancer had come back. He was waiting to 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: see if it had gone down into his spine, and 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: this was the moment when he found out the results. 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: On you two were all nervous out here. Oh man, 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: it was so good, great news. The spine's all clear, 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: and the tumor and the right front were lobe and 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 2: the brainstem all stable. Everything's great. I'm so happy. I 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: can't man. 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: It was great news. 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: It joins us to clarify a little bit more, Johnny 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: rush Joy, it. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Could have sounded a little happier. 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: No, you don't have to explain to anybody made, but 17 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: can you tell us about the state because people you 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: were very very happy that it was stable. It wasn't 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: in your back. What does that mean now that it's stable? 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Not in the clear, obviously, but what does it mean? 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: It just means that we have to now, I say 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: we Toney, You know, yeah, it was a wee thing 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: because she's been there for me. She's amazing from day one, 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: probably right, probably. 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: Even the way you were yelling at the bombers last night. 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: Attacks every way every week. 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: So what is it? 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: So it hasn't it hasn't grown at all. 29 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: No, it's stable, meaning it's it hasn't grown no. 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 5: Correct, And he's still having treatment. 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still having treatment to keep it stable and 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: to make sure that it doesn't grow, and we have 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: to have check ups every three months, mries and whatnot. 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: But the fact that it's not spreading to any other 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: areas is a huge, grads incredible news. 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: You know, what a rollercoaster Johnny. I mean, you spoke 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: about the emotion of going to remission, you know, and 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: that being the greatest day of your life, and then 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: you found out the news last November that had come back. 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: But just to be brave enough to continue the fight 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 4: and you talk about the bad days, you just need 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 4: that little thing to fight for, you know, and Tony's 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: been a big part of that. But to have you 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: sitting here now, you know, is it with this level 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: of strength is amazing? 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: Mate? Oh, thank you very much. But yeah, you do. 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: You need to find these things and no matter what 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: it is, you know, just and I was saying to 49 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: Tony last night, if this if the show can reach 50 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: just one person, it's already success for me to win 51 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: if one person, If it can help just one person, yes, 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: and that's a massive win. 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: Can you tell us about the seizure? 54 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: Because you went into remission, everything was going well, Like 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: you said, you get your check apps every three months. 56 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: But that first seizure. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: Well, I want to know what what is that? Where 58 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: were you? Was tiny near you? 59 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: And then obviously you instantly think what is going on? 60 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: It's starting up again? But what what actually happens in 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: that situation? 62 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: The I don't actually remember the first one. Yeah, yeah, 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: but one of them, the one that I do remember, 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: everything just froze, Yes, like I froze up. I I 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: got lockjaw. My jaw just locked, so you couldn't talk. No, 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: my teeth were cleansed, yes, And I couldn't speak to 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: her so I couldn't communicate with Where was she? She 68 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: was in the drive a seat? No, she was driving driving, yes, 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: and I was in the passenger. She wasn't actually driving. Sorry, 70 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: we were allowed to drive, now I am. 71 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: Now you are right. 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: I had to go seax amount of months without any seasons, yes, yes, 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: which I've done now yeah. 74 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: Right, So then are you trying to get her attention 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: while you're doing this. 76 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't get a left from me anywhere. Not a 77 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: great driver. I'm sorry. 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: So she had to help you in that situation. 79 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, she called the ambulance ambulance immediately and they had 80 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: to they sent to ambulances ambliances. 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: You know what you spoke to us outside. Don't be 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: afraid with this stuff. And I know you were watching 83 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the show last night and you were thinking back and 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, I don't want to look confused. 85 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: There's words that I know, I know, but they just 86 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: don't come to me in my head. 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: And I said, I didn't want to look like an 88 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: idiot last night on the show. You don't, mate, we 89 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: all know what you're going through. It's fine to have 90 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: these moments. You've got to feel more comfortable in that, 91 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: especially around friends. 92 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I mean, friends understand more. It's just 93 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: hard when you you know, you just I've always thought 94 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: of myself as somewhat intelligent. You are, and it's a 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: little bit of a struggle when you find yourself searching 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: for words that you you know, you know that you know, 97 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: you know that you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: spoke to other people that have brain cancer and are 99 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: in similar situations and they're like, man, I know exactly 100 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. And it's really difficult because you're 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: trying to string a sentence together and you just it 102 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: really gets you down. 103 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: And some days are better than others. Yeah. 104 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you have updays and down days, and you just 105 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: got to learn to ride it. You know. 106 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: Do you panic every time you have a headache, Like 107 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 5: for a lot of people, a headache is a pretty 108 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: common thing to have. That would be incredibly stressful for 109 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 5: you to think beyond it just being a headache. 110 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think these days not so much. Initially you're 111 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: always on edge. You're like, oh, no, is it something else? 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: Has it spread? Is? You know, you go there, so 113 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: many things go through your mind, whereas these days not 114 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: so much because you learn to deal with it and 115 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: you can compartmentally these different hitter and it's never a 116 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: headache that's bad enough to warrant going to see a 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: specialist or a surgeon or an oncologist or something like that. 118 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 4: Johnny, I remember the first time when the news broke 119 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: and you came in for a chat, because you know, 120 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: I think the first thing we've learned was through that 121 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: Instagram post of the staples on the head and everyone went, 122 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 4: oh my god, hang on a minute. Extraordinary and that 123 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 4: was a very life threatening situation that you're in. But 124 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: I remember the first time he said to me, oh mate, 125 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 4: I'm all right. The hardest part is Mum. The hardest 126 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 4: part is Mum panicking. How's she holding up? 127 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's much better now. I think even second time round, 128 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: I think she struggled a for a bit. You know, 129 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: I'm her son. Of course, I don't have children myself, 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: so I can't even imagine what it would be like 131 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: for her. Because you're just so helpless, you know, even 132 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: with tany yeah, all my friends. You know, you're just 133 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: so helpless. Absolutely nothing you can do about it. All 134 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,239 Speaker 2: you can do is just be there for support. 135 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about Tarni and having that seizure on 136 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: her birthday as well. You actually, last night this got 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: me a bit emotional as well. You're talking about that moment. 138 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: It's hard. It's very hard to hear that she had 139 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 6: to go through that and deal with that alone and 140 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 6: not be there for her, because you know, I'm supposed 141 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 6: to be a man supposed to be there for her, 142 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 6: as supposed to help deal with these things, and not 143 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 6: being able to be there for her and stand by 144 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 6: her side and support her. It's quite difficult. 145 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: How long have you been with. 146 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 2: Oh, a little while? 147 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: Here's your memory going on that one? 148 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well the cancer and. 149 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: Yeah around anniversary time against Boggy does it? 150 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? Several years now? 151 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: This is a this is a personal question. But you 152 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: would you like, I mean, this is the woman. 153 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 5: Of your drive leave him alone? 154 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: You would you ask her to marry you? At some 155 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: do you want to marry it? 156 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: That's some sage, I would think. 157 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: So can I structure the question differently? Johnny? Right? Positive 158 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: thinking is crucial. What does the next ten years look like? 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: In ten years time? What do you want to see? 160 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: I would like to think that i'd be married to Toney. Yeah. 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: I don't know about children, Okay. I think I'm too 162 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: selfish to have children. I don't say that in a 163 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: bad headway. I just think I like my. 164 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 5: I want to go to the there's nothing wrong with 165 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 5: not having kids. 166 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: I want to go to the footy. I don't want 167 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: to have to organize a babysitter. 168 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 4: I get it made, I get it yeah, that's life. 169 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I want to go away like 170 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: you know, if you if you've got a cat or 171 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: a dog. No, I'm not comparing children to to be fair, 172 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: that's exactly what I was doing. But then you you 173 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: go away on holiday and you go, damn cat, you 174 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: have to find a cat care? Yeah what they called? Yeah, 175 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: isn't that where? It's a long place? 176 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: She's one win for the Bombers and novel. 177 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Can we talk though, because one thing that has been 178 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: taking your mind off things is recording again, which is awesome. 179 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: Song. 180 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think for everyone, like anybody going through something 181 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: that's this. So here we go looking for a word. Oh, 182 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: isn't there anybody who's going through something that's so life 183 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: changing and life altering? There it is much better. Altering 184 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: is better than yeah, life altering, life altering. I like 185 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: it is. I think they need to find something that 186 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: keeps their mind occupied. And for me, that's writing music. 187 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: You know, writing it's it's a it's a it's an 188 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: escape for me. So I've spent my time in the 189 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: studio and at home writing at piano and also puzzles. 190 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: I love puzzles. I saw that and so you're not 191 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: just jigsaw puzzles. 192 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: You're back to the future Jigsaw puzzle. You're playing Domino's 193 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: with Tani. Yeah, it's all going on here. 194 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: But this song. Can we talk about the song? What's 195 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 3: the name of the song? 196 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,119 Speaker 2: The songs called Let's Get lost, Let's get lost. 197 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: And it sounded me if we're about to play it 198 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: in a minute, we're going to go to traffic in 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: a minute and come. 200 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: Back and play it. 201 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: But so this, this is about this was you dreaming 202 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: of you and Tarany just leaving everything and hitting the. 203 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: Road pretty much exactly that. It's just about getting lost, 204 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, like, pack up the car and just get 205 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: out of here, leave everything behind, leave the drama, the troubles, 206 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: the kids, the dog, the cat. 207 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: It's not Melby. It's not a song to Melby called 208 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: get lost. 209 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: No, I didn't want to say. It's what everyone yells 210 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: actually going to be called go Get Go, get lost. 211 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: We changed the title to it a. 212 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: Couple of words. How do you go recording? How is 213 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: your voice? Like? Does it? Do you have good days? 214 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: Do you have bad days? How is it? Yeah? 215 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: It's up and yeah, but you're just got to stick 216 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: to it, keep you know, do you know what there's. 217 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: He said, there's still payback as well, because it's a 218 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: time break. At the moment, I need. 219 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 2: To do, we need, we need to do. Rather fits 220 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: Whipper and I wrap up of the week. 221 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 4: So you won the first one, did you? 222 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 223 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: I did, and I won the second one. 224 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: You both stitched me up on the second one. No, 225 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: because you played the mess up. 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: Maybe we threw a couple of stuff up in Let's 227 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: have a decider. Will you come in for a wrap 228 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: up of the week. 229 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: I would love to bring we want to seek. 230 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's steal it man. 231 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: Presence outside of present's good rap music. 232 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Let's get quick. 233 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: That was a great song, brother, Listen, we did we were. 234 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 3: We were listening to Bloody Rob go to the Cannery 235 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: on you Go. 236 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: It fits in Whipper