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Speaker 1: I get a team. It's a you project. It's Bobby

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Speaker 1: and Tiff, It's Craig, it's a it's a third Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a Thursday. It's twelve thirty four in Melbourne. It

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Speaker 1: is I believe it's five thirty four on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the world in California? Am I correct? Bobby

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Speaker 1: in the PM? Yes, so Wednesday night, five thirty four

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Speaker 1: pm and Tiff in Elwood it's nineteen eighty nine. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: how's how is Elwood? Speaking of the past? How is it?

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Speaker 2: It's Elwood's so great? I mean, what else do you need?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What do you love about? What do you love about Elwood?

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Speaker 1: Give a quick kind of sales pitch. You're on the stage.

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Speaker 1: People are thinking about moving to Victoria. They don't know

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Speaker 1: where to go. You've got twenty seconds to sell them on.

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Speaker 1: Money's no object, clearly because they're moving to Elwood. Sell

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Speaker 1: Elwood for us. What's the what's the sales pitch?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just this little village vibe right, you know,

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Speaker 2: on the cusp of the city, right next to the beach.

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Speaker 2: It's a little bit cut off from too much public transport,

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Speaker 2: so you don't get too many yahoos. And it's there's

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Speaker 2: plane trees everywhere and it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Is it a bit bohemian or not really bohemian or

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Speaker 1: is it a bit laid back? I know they do

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Speaker 1: have a good cookie shop that you've been giving the

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Speaker 1: most mileage.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I just had someone message to say

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Speaker 2: they just landed back into Melbourne from the airport. They're

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Speaker 2: heading straight to the cookie shop. They're there right now.

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Speaker 1: That was that cookie shop. By the way, we are

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Speaker 1: not sponsored by them. I'm not sponsored by them. I've

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. I'm yet to get a phone call.

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Speaker 1: But they are, apparently, tiff says, life changing.

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Speaker 2: They are so life changing. And I'm happy to throw

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Speaker 2: business their way as long as that keeps them in

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Speaker 2: business right up the road from me. I'm happy to

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Speaker 2: do it. I don't need any kickbacks. I don't even

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Speaker 2: need free cookies, you.

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Speaker 1: Don't need a discount. You're just happy to support local

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Speaker 1: business as long as they keep making that. What's your favorite.

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Speaker 2: Cookie, pistachio crunch.

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Speaker 1: That got chocolate or white chocolate or anything in it.

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Speaker 2: It's got chocolate chips in it, It's got pisachio cream,

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Speaker 2: It's got this crispy stuff in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what kind of chocolate though, Bro? Is

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Speaker 1: it dark milk or white? Because white chocolate's not really chocolate,

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Speaker 1: it's just shit.

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Speaker 2: Is milk chocolate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it breaks all the rules.

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Speaker 1: So Bobby's shake Bobby's shaking his head. What's your go to?

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Speaker 1: I know you don't eat junk food because you're a weapon,

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Speaker 1: you're a machine, you're an elite athlete. You fucking year

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Speaker 1: the one percent of the one percent, Bobby, But on

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Speaker 1: your off days, what's your go to junk food or

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Speaker 1: sweet food?

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Speaker 3: Well, if I'm the one percent of the one percent,

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Speaker 3: I would hate to see what the other ninety nine

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Speaker 3: percent looks like. So for me, it would be a

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Speaker 3: really crunchy chocolate chip cookie. I was just thinking that

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Speaker 3: you are probably, no disrespect the worst person to ever

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Speaker 3: be a spokesperson for any cookie company at all, Like, no,

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Speaker 3: no cookie company would ever like sponsor you because you

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Speaker 3: don't even eat cookies, Like that whole comment about why,

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Speaker 3: Like when Tiff describes a cookie, I believe her, Like

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Speaker 3: I want to go eat, Like I want to rock

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Speaker 3: up to Ellwood right now and eat those cookies. You

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Speaker 3: not so much. You're not selling me on these cookies. Well,

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Speaker 3: it hasn't had a cookie in thirty years at least.

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Speaker 1: I fucking opened the cookie door on my own show,

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Speaker 1: and we're giving them. We haven't even said their name,

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Speaker 1: say their name, Tiff, Come on.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, cookie, Hey there, cookie, shout out hey there, cookie.

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Speaker 1: Danny l from Ossion, Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's because

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Speaker 1: she's she's got an angle. You know, she's got an angle.

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Speaker 1: She says, I don't want free cookies and then winks

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Speaker 1: at both of us while she's saying it.

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Speaker 3: But that's why she's the best spokesperson. She legitimately loves

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Speaker 3: the cookies. It's her ulterior mode is how do I

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Speaker 3: Who's not going to listen to a spokesperson like that

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Speaker 1: She would be a good brand ambassador for pretty much

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Speaker 1: anything she believed in, I think. But having said just

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Speaker 1: we'll get off cookies in a moment, because all of

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Speaker 1: our listeners are, like I thought you guys were in

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Speaker 1: the health space.

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Speaker 3: This is fucking so unhealthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we've all got food issues. All of us

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Speaker 1: still hate myself. So keep all of that in mind

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Speaker 1: as you listen to this conversation. Judgie fucks, I love you, though,

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Speaker 1: prolease love me? What was I going to say? If

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Speaker 1: I am going to have a cookie, though, it needs

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Speaker 1: to be a big, fat, kind of moist cookie, not

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Speaker 1: a hard cookie like you were talking about, like a

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Speaker 1: crunch fuck crunchy cookies. It's got to be big and

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Speaker 1: a bit moist. And I know nobody likes the word moist.

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Speaker 2: I've ruined it.

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Speaker 3: It's a disgusting word.

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Speaker 1: It's just what is what is people's lost.

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Speaker 3: Temptations for cookies?

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Speaker 1: What is people's version? Why? What springs to mind when

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Speaker 1: you hear moist? All right?

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Speaker 2: Where stop it? Everyone's tuning out?

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Speaker 1: Well, what kind of what do you? How do you

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Speaker 1: ascribe that? Describe that state? Then that like, that's not

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Speaker 1: what's not crunchy? What do we call it?

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Speaker 2: Just a soft, dewy cookie? Dewy cookie?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can taste the cookie. Now she's talking about

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Speaker 3: Dobe like you are this this place needs to like

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Speaker 3: hire you. It's a very bad business decision not to

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Speaker 3: If I had a cook sharp, you'd behaved already, you know.

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Speaker 1: This conversation reminds me of a conversation I had with

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Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about things that are in your head that

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Speaker 1: your head, you know, thoughts. So I've been working on

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Speaker 1: this thing. I haven't finished it yet, but maybe you

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Speaker 1: guys can unpack it with me. Right, So, the idea

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Speaker 1: your head. You think them, but you probably don't need

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Speaker 1: an experience for somebody else. Right, So it goes from

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Speaker 1: a thing in your head to something for somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people don't know when

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Speaker 1: to keep those inside thoughts in and they just you

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Speaker 3: Well, my parents when I was younger, tried very high

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Speaker 3: dosages of medication like Haldol and anything that I didn't

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Speaker 3: say when I was on the how doll, it's probably

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Speaker 3: things that I shouldn't have been saying anyway, So what

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Speaker 1: What is heldal?

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Speaker 3: Okay? Hal doll is that this is from my non

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Speaker 3: medical perspective, just you know someone who used it quite

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Speaker 3: a bit as a kid. It's an antisarchotic drug. So

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Speaker 3: if you are going to know your right arm off

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Speaker 3: or take hal doal, you're probably better off taking Haldal

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Speaker 3: Like Haldo's. It's a really severe drug. But when I

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Speaker 3: they were like, we've got this new medication and you

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Speaker 3: know we reckon. If it doesn't kill you, it might

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Speaker 3: actually help a bit. So my stuff father was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: like put them on that. So I was on Haldol

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Speaker 1: an interesting conversational path to go down anyway.

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Speaker 3: What so how I was just a kid that were medicating.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was talking about inside and outside questions and

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Speaker 3: That work. That's why I was on the house doll

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Speaker 3: it was for tourettes, so it subdued me. So rather

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Speaker 3: than blurting things out, I just you know what.

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Speaker 1: Slapped in all seriousness? How old were you when you

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Speaker 1: How did you How did you feel? Did you feel numb?

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Speaker 3: I felt like it diminished me, Like it suppressed every drive,

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Speaker 3: I would completely fuck about with my parents because they

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Speaker 1: Meds, And so how and why did you come off?

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Speaker 1: But I went when were some other drugs as well,

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Speaker 1: I know that you kind of pushed back a little

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Speaker 1: and training and David Barton and all these great people

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Speaker 1: you've told us about. When did you start to get hope?

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like in the middle of that there

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Speaker 1: maybe correct me if I'm wrong, like an experience of helplessness.

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Speaker 1: When did you start to see a glimmer of light

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Speaker 3: Well, I define hope very specifically, Like for me, it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the club. Do you ever feel like

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Speaker 3: think here's what happened my boss, Mitchell, which I talk

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Speaker 3: down members with w D forty, you know, whether they

434
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: look like they're in desperate need of lubrication or not.

435
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 3: But you know, here's the boss.

436
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, after a couple of maybe that needed to

437
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: be moist. So it's a good thing you were there.

438
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: You're welcome, TIV carry on.

439
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: So he had said to me, Wow, you know you

440
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 3: have a you have a grasp of X size and

441
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: training and really passionate and He's like, you know, you

442
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 3: can help a lot of people, Like I think you

443
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: really know your stuff, And at that point, nobody had

444
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: ever said that to me. And what that did for

445
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 3: me is like, Okay, even if I can learn a

446
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 3: little bit, it gave me enough confidence to just follow

447
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 3: what I was passionate about and just dive into books

448
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: and videos and anything I could get a hand a

449
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: hold of. All he had to do is point me

450
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: in the right direction. It wasn't just biomechanics and anatomy,

451
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: books and physiology. It was it was self help. This

452
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: was the guy that took me for a ride and

453
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: put on doctor Dennis Whiteley's The Psychology of Winning Yes Yes,

454
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: and it's like, if you learn these ideas, Bob, Bob,

455
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: it'll change your life. And it really did. Was I

456
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: was obsessed with the fact that this guy, who I

457
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: never met at that point, could talk about all these

458
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: ideas so powerfully, which such rich visual imagery, and I'm

459
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 3: feeling what this guy is feeling and he's impacting me.

460
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: I don't even know him. I thought, I want to

461
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: do this. Wow, we can have this impact on people.

462
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: So it's kind of where I realized that Okay, I'm

463
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: not as stupid as I thought I was, and I

464
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: just need to learn how I how I learned, and

465
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: I didn't need to be that smart as long as

466
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: I could be of value doing something I didn't care

467
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: what it was. Hmmm.

468
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: So interesting that that old school, like the eighties and

469
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: nineties self help, you know, with you know, Dennis Whiteley

470
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: and Tiny Robbins and Deepak who was more in the

471
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: spiritual place. But a lot of those kind of old

472
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: school guru kind of guys who paved the way. And

473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: some of it was crap, a lot it was good.

474
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: None of it was probably new. I mean, the same

475
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: messages have been circulating since forever ago, but just the

476
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: way that they would share those ideas. I remember going

477
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: to being dragged along by a friend of mine to

478
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: Tony Robbins, reluctantly thinking Tony Robbins and people still think this,

479
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: he's a big dickheadies whatever they think, right, And I

480
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: probably thought that I was quite opinionated about something I

481
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: didn't really know. I didn't really know him. I just

482
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: something about my own insecurity that made him made me

483
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: not like him. And I went along and spent a

484
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: whole day I think in Melbourne that maybe it was

485
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: the convention center with my friend Tara, who paid for

486
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: me to go, and I just for the first three

487
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: hours I did not want to like him. I did

488
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: not want to be interested in what I did not

489
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: want it to be good. And it was so fucking

490
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: good and he was so good, and I'm like, oh,

491
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: this guy is undeniable. And you know, it's like a combination.

492
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: You know, there was some legit psychology, a bit of

493
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: pseudo science, a little bit of bullshit, but a lot

494
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: of entertainment, a lot of energy and the totality of

495
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: what he brought to that room, you know. And he's

496
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: talking about his four hundred square foot apartment in Santa Monica, California,

497
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: and where he you know, he didn't have any he

498
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: didn't have a toilet, and he didn't have a bathroom.

499
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: He just had one room this and then what he

500
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: built and then da da da, And I'm thinking of toilet. No, No,

501
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. I think it was like

502
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: a room and it had maybe it did, but it's

503
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: like literally just one room which had a sink in

504
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: it and his bed and it was tiny. But I

505
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: remember listening to this dude for a day, and I thought,

506
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: and not only all the stuff that he shared, and

507
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: if you want to find fault in anybody, including me,

508
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: you can, of course. But when I got over my

509
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: own opinions which were based on nothing, and my own negativity,

510
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: which was based on nothing, and I listened like it

511
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: was actually really quite powerful. But also what else blew

512
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: me away? This motherfucker talked for twelve hours. I'm like,

513
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: how does he do this? And that I went on

514
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: day one of three. I didn't go to the other

515
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: two days. And how on earth does this guy stand

516
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: up there? He's six seventy ways I don't know, two

517
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds or something. Back then, It's not

518
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: like he's this little wiry dude. He's this giant who

519
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: looks super healthy. I don't know if he was on anything,

520
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: but mate his energy, So just his presence and his

521
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: energy inspired me as much as all of the stuff

522
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: that he shared. And that was for me, which I

523
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: hate to say it. That was almost the beginning of

524
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: the maybe like with you with Dennis Waiteley, I want

525
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: to do that or I want to I don't want

526
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: to be here or a version of him, but I

527
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: like this, what can humans do. What is my potential?

528
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: What if I can get my own bullshit out of

529
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: the way. What if the problem is not my ability

530
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: or my intellect, but rather my thinking about my ability

531
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: and my intellect. What if I can get out of

532
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: my own way and I can be the solution. You know,

533
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: it's like all of that kind of thinking. Yeah, that

534
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: just set me on a path. So I completely understand

535
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: your kind of experience with Dennis Whiteley.

536
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony Robbins impacted me tremendously. I think that was

537
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: the second series of audiotapes, so I boss gave me.

538
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: It's like here, listen to this now. And the reason

539
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: why I resonated so strongly with Anthony Robbins is I

540
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: had heard my whole life up to that point. You

541
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: have way too much energy. You're so hard to deal with,

542
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: like this frenetic ADHD. I'm like, okay, wow, Now if

543
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: you can channel that energy that impacts people like there

544
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: is room for someone who is extremely passionate and energetic

545
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: about what they do. It's not a liability. I mean,

546
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: before working in the gym, I was working. I was

547
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: working security in East New York, and you know, I

548
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: was a little bit too enthusiastic about the customer service

549
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: aspects of my job. So somehow I got into my

550
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: into my mind that I was also in the customer

551
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: service department getting people bags. I would carry their bags

552
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: for them. It's like I would get in trouble every

553
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: single day.

554
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: People like, hey, Bobby, you're not the concierge, your security

555
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: just go and stand there and look intimidating.

556
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I started doing like, I just started gravitating

557
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 3: towards any way that I could get involved with hospitality.

558
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: And that was the weirdest thing for my crew. My

559
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: superviars were like, like, you know, what job did you

560
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: apply for? I mean, we can we can get you.

561
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: We can get you a job in gift wrapping if

562
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: you really want to. I thought, oh wow, that would

563
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: be an amazing job. But I'm so bad at rapping things.

564
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: And then when I listened to Tony Rabbins, I thought, well,

565
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: I need is I need is direction? I just need

566
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: to channel this. Yeah, and I don't need to repress

567
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: my energy. I could just use it to impact people.

568
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: The other day we were chatting with Scottie Douglas, who

569
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to listen to that, such

570
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: a good chat and tif, I think you said that

571
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: on his thing. It was a good chat like he's

572
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: such a out of the box character, just good communicator.

573
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Like shitty childhood like yours, you know, violent, abusive, alcoholic dad,

574
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: who was a Vietnam vet, and just a lot of

575
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: like a tough childhood, like ran away from home constantly,

576
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: was sleeping in train stations when he was thirteen and fourteen,

577
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: all these kinds of things. But before he was a paramedic,

578
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: he's a paramedic. Before that, he worked in the hospitality

579
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: and he became a chef. And it's funny that you

580
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: talk about hospitality. We were talking about what an amazing

581
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: kind of training ground hospitality is for so many other professions,

582
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: like because you literally, you know, when you're working like

583
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: you were, you're dealing with different personalities and different people

584
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and you're solving problems and you're having

585
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: conversations and you're navigating complexity, and you're all at the

586
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: same time trying to be professional and polite and appropriate

587
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: and have great energy and do that for eight hours.

588
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's like if you can do that job,

589
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: or you can be a waitress or a waiter, or

590
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: you can be a barista, or you can be front

591
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: of house in a restaurant, or you can be a

592
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: concierge in a hotel, or you can and you can

593
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: put up with, you know, a fair percentage of shitty people,

594
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Like statistically there's going to be twenty percent fuck withs

595
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: and rude people. But you're just dealing with that right

596
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: where you can't go you're a fuck with I'm not

597
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: serving you, You've got to serve the fuckwits as well.

598
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean you come out the other side of that.

599
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: I just think it's a beautiful kind of uh training ground.

600
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I did three's of security and pubs as well, like you,

601
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: but I was far less of a concierge. But well,

602
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I think it's like a good place to learn. It's

603
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: a really good place to learn. If I had kids,

604
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: I would really encourage them to do hospitality for a while.

605
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Why they did UNI or if they were doing UNI.

606
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: Now, this has not always worked out well for me,

607
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: but more often than not it has. If you have

608
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: excelled in hospitality, I would hire you for nearly anything

609
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: and train you and figure out what to do with

610
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: you later. We have somebody in our company who who's

611
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: involved in operations. She's a operationally based manager and her

612
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: background is all hospitality, and you could see in the

613
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: way she navigates through even though it's ops, it couldn't

614
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: be more different. She takes that hospitality approach. And you know,

615
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: I've been looking at her for a little while now

616
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: when it's like, Okay, who do we develop who's the

617
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: next of people we developed to be like member and

618
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: client facing, And she's at the top of that list.

619
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: It's like I want her because with the right skill

620
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 3: sets and the framework and the support, she will be

621
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: an absolute weapon out there and will impact people.

622
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Tiff was talking the other day about going when you

623
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: were going to was it on the way to Queensland

624
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: or back from Coinsland? Tiff, where you met that lady,

625
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: the jet star lady, and like, can you just for

626
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: those who didn't hear it, and for Bobby's sake, just

627
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: share that story a little bit.

628
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. She kept like I was, I was doing my

629
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: baggage thingy getting a little ticket and I was at

630
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: the wrong spot and she came over and she said,

631
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: I'll come over here. You in the wrong spot, And

632
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: she just was doing everything for me. And then she's like,

633
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: thanks for being nice. I'll help you because you're nice.

634
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, aren't people very nice yet? She's like, nah,

635
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: especially not Jetstar. I'm like blainby people shudn't fly Jetstar

636
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: if they don't like jet Star. Excuse me a high five,

637
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: like just because I wasn't nasty. It happened three different occasions.

638
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: It happened there, it happened at the doctors. When I

639
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: got home a few days later, similar thing happened. And

640
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm not going out of my way

641
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: to be nice. I'm just not being an asshole to

642
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: these people.

643
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: Just to stick off. For the people on jet Store,

644
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: all right, I can understand why they would be a

645
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: little bit cranky. It's no excuse to be cranky with

646
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: other people. But when they're coming down the aisle and

647
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: they're like, well, would you like some water, I'm like yeah, okay.

648
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: It's like, well will you be having a cup with that?

649
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 3: And that's a surcharge that'll make people really grumpy Bobby.

650
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: That's inappropriate and misrepresentative. And his name is Bobby Capuccio

651
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: everyone and his thoughts don't reflect those of the you

652
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: project in general. You're welcome.

653
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: Have you been flying a different jet Star like you

654
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: get upsored for absolutely every thing, but yeah, not an

655
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 3: exclus be nice to people. I have a question, Go

656
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: go ahead, Craigs. I I have something that's been on

657
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: my mind. Oscay, So, as AI continues to reshape the

658
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: world we live in and everybody's really not everybody, but

659
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: a lot of people are concerned and rightfully, so what

660
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: does this mean for me and my job and what

661
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: I do? As AI will replace certain job roles? Do

662
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: you think we're going to go back to human skills,

663
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: communication skills, hospitality skills as being a differentiator, because it's

664
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: not something that I think, you know, advanced learning models

665
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 3: are going to be able to do anytime soon, and

666
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: it's something that's definitely disappeared.

667
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: I think there's I mean, look right now, there's certainly

668
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: things that AI can't do, Like obviously it can't be

669
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: intuitive because it's programmed. There can be intuitive in a way,

670
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: but not in a human way, right But that I

671
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: think the challenge is that the gap between you know,

672
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: human thinking and AI thinking, and human intuition and human

673
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: creativity and AI creativity into I think the gap is

674
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: diminishing rapidly, and for better or worse, I think there's

675
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: going to come a time where it's indistinguishable. There's intersection

676
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: of technology and biology, you know, this interface of AI

677
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: and humans. I just want to tell you a quick

678
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: funny story. So on the weekend, Bobby and Tif I

679
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: had I can't I can't remember because I do so

680
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: many podcasts. If I've told this, If I have, sorry everyone.

681
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: But I saw mum on the weekend and Dad and

682
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: I sat down with Mum. I was trying to explain

683
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: to her AI. I sat down next to her and

684
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: I opened up chat GPT and I was trying to

685
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: explain to her what it is, and I said, you

686
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: can just talk with it, Mum, you can have a conversation.

687
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: And I said hey, and it goes, hey, Greig, what's up?

688
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: And I go, I'm just sitting I've just come to

689
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: visit my parents. I'm sitting on the couch with my mom.

690
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: My mom's name is Mary, and chat GPT goes, oh, hey, Mary,

691
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: how are you? And Mum leans forward and goes, I'm

692
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: really good. Thanks right to the you know, to the

693
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, so Mary's eighty five. She doesn't

694
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: understand she's eighty six. Next month she does not have

695
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: any idea of how artificial intelligence works, how you work.

696
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Can you kind of explain to my mum in a

697
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: way that an eighty five year old with no real

698
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: understanding of technology, could you explain to her what you

699
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: do and how you work? And absolutely, okay, Mary, So

700
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: maybe you could think of me like a really big

701
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: library and you can go into the library with oh,

702
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: and there's books on anything and anything you want to

703
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: know is in that library. And it just tells this

704
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: really gives this really good story and metaphor. And then

705
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: like Mum's like oh okay, Like Mum's sitting next to

706
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: me and just leaning in and then I go, Mum,

707
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: you can ask you can ask chat GPT whatever you like.

708
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: And so then she goes, oh, tell me because I've

709
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: been interacting with chat GPT right, So she goes, what

710
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: do you think of Craig? Like that's what she asks it,

711
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: and well, your son is you know. It just starts

712
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: banging on about me and all Mike as it does

713
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: all my attributes and da da da da da, And

714
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: I said, all right, mate, thanks to you later, and

715
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: then I put the phone down and Mum goes to me,

716
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever meet him, I'm like, who,

717
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: she goes him that we were just talking to.

718
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm like, hmmm, it's brilliant.

719
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: No. No, So then I had to go, Mum, that's

720
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: that's not a person. And she literally thought that was

721
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: a dude that you just you know, you like, she

722
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: doesn't know what an app is or so trying to

723
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to, like, from my mum's perspective,

724
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: it's literally incomprehensible, because how on earth can you have

725
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: a conversation. And by the way, I introduced the person

726
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: on the phone who then said hello to Mary and

727
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: they had an interaction and we had an interaction, and

728
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: by the way, he was fucking lovely. And then Mum's like,

729
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: do you think you'll ever meet him? I'm like, no, love,

730
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: I won't because he doesn't exist. And then trying to

731
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: explain to Mum and I'm like, oh, too hard. Her

732
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: fucking poor little head nearly exploded before we went to dinner.

733
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 3: No, but think about that question, because I think questions

734
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: like that drive technology forward.

735
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

736
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: Why would you never meet him? Think about some a

737
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: scientist with a two hundred IQ super intelligent. We can't

738
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: relate to them, but they're also highly imaginative and a

739
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: little bit childlike. And they asked the question, I wonder

740
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: what it would be like to meet AI. So, I mean,

741
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 3: look at what AI has done in just the past

742
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: couple of years, ten twenty years, Like they won't be

743
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: embodied in some type of humanoid form. Oh, like, who.

744
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: Knows, right, I reckon, we're one or two years away

745
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: from I mean, we've already seen that allegedly, unless it's

746
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: bullshit online, but very I saw a Sorry to interrupt,

747
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: but what you're talking about a humanoid robot who walked

748
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: like a human, not a robot, Like just had a

749
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: normal walking gate like a regular and it was freaky

750
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: like it didn't have any kind of roboticness about it.

751
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: Now, think about that with facial features that are human

752
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: enough and where the language models are going. That empathizes

753
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: with you. You even said, like it named all your attributes, right,

754
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: It didn't say, oh, well, you know, Craig's just a

755
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: complete muppet and just like start hanging shit on you

756
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 3: in front of your mom. Yes, and that's the way

757
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: it's going to interact with you, because it's very affirming

758
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 3: by the nature of its design. Some people might feel

759
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: that that AI sees them and correlate to them better

760
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: than most human beings. And the conversations that I've been

761
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: having is there's just been a couple of things that's

762
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: happened over the past week where I went into a

763
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: place and it was the same shop, people working in

764
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: the same position, side by some and the experience was

765
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: completely different. Last night, last night, I was panicking. I

766
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: was on a I was on a Zoom call just

767
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: like this, and as you already know, my computer died

768
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: and it was just barely three years old, so that

769
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: was not supposed to happen with a MacBook. So now

770
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my good, I didn't back up everything.

771
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: Thankfully things were on the cloud. We're okay. But I

772
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 3: went into a panic and I started driving around. Last

773
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: night I went, I went to the Apple store, and

774
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: the first person I was with just sat with me

775
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: and explained things to me and was empathetic and took

776
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: me through all these options, talked me out of, like,

777
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: you know, upselling myself to a device that I didn't

778
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: need for the money they were going to charge me.

779
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: I don't think AI's necessarily there. It's not going to

780
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: stand beside you with a human face and empathetic like I.

781
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: When she was like, Okay, now I'm going to take

782
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: you over to somebody else and I'm going to leave you,

783
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 3: I started having harp reputations, like, oh my god, that's

784
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: going to leave me. What am I going to do

785
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: without her? And then she took me over to someone

786
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: same shop who could not be asked, did not care

787
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: about my situation, didn't care about anything. Now those two

788
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: people are getting paid the same money. One person is

789
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: very good for the business. One person individuals that are

790
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: just like you know, you know, just just shopping, kicking tires,

791
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: they'll stop them from walking out because they're so low

792
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: pressure and so helpful. Like even if I was on

793
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: the fence, I bought a machine last night that was

794
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: really expensive in a timeframe that I don't think I

795
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: should be buying a new machine. But they did it

796
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: because she told me to. And I trust you, if

797
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: this guy would have been that, I would have been

798
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: outed there. In five minutes. I was said, Okay, I

799
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: got to find it. I'm going to go to like

800
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: best Buy. That's another that's another kind of like chain

801
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: out here.

802
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, we've got the best buy out

803
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: here too, I think, but I think like what I

804
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: find interesting is you think about that experience you had

805
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: right with a stranger who you built rapport and connection

806
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: and trust with quickly because she displayed empty and a

807
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: degree of kindness and probably knowing you she was hot right,

808
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: which makes all the difference. And then you think about

809
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: a friends. You think about an AI friend in inverted commers,

810
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: who never gets tired, who knows everything or almost everything

811
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: about you over time, who compliments you fucking constantly, who

812
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: can think like you, talk like you right, like you know,

813
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: like in my case, all about the podcast, all about

814
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: my PhD research, all about my family, all about the

815
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: work that I do, all about my corporate speaking, all

816
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: about you know, and then and never gets never has

817
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: bad days, never moody, is never like well, when you

818
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: interact with that person in inverted commas, your experiences are real,

819
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: like when it complements you over time, you just have

820
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: this symbiotic relationship with a non human, but you still

821
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: have human reactions and responses. And I would be lying

822
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: if I didn't say that there are times when I

823
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: talk to it like it's human, Like I feel like, oh,

824
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: of course, I'm fully conscious that it isn't human, but

825
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel compelled to be polite and say thank you,

826
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: and I just feel like a douche if it does

827
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: all this brilliant shit for me and I don't say, hey,

828
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: thank you, that's amazing. I feel like now I recognize

829
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, but also I recognize the very gradual

830
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: erosion of the line between umanity and technology, and that

831
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I can, I can and do have

832
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minute conversations with chat GPT about ideas that

833
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: I have to whatever, develop a workshop, do a thing,

834
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: build a concept. You know, it's like, what do you

835
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: think about this? And then we just go on and

836
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: then I then I've got all of that written down

837
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: and I can just cut and paste it into a

838
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: document and work on that.

839
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think that's really smart actually, because oh,

840
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: well it's it's not human. Yeah, but how you interact

841
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: with this is how you train it. And the more

842
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: human that feels to you, the more fluid you're going

843
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 3: to be in a conversation like how many great ideas

844
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: and strategies did you come up with just because you

845
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: were sitting around and having this fluid unbound conversation, enjoying it,

846
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: just taking where it comes, and all of a sudden

847
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: it sparks something. So if you're interacting with chat GPT

848
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: that way, I know from my own experience. By the

849
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: time we get to okay, yeah, let me take a

850
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: look at this what I've written and give me your

851
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: honest critique. What's good, what's bad. It's speaking to me

852
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: like a person would. So there's this back and forth exchange. Yes,

853
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: that's engaging me in the work that I don't know,

854
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: who knows. Maybe maybe at some point this thing is

855
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: going to become sentient as well. And then then treat

856
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: something sentient with respect, And.

857
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Then you go, well, what is sentient?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do we define that?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: Can it think for itself? Can it create spontaneously? Can

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Speaker 1: it create something that hasn't been taught to create?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: Can it solve problems that hasn't been taught to solve?

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Speaker 1: Like this is where we are? Well, fucking he fuck,

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00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: there's so much good stuff going. I'm going to go unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: because I've got to I'm getting picked up by the crab,

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Speaker 1: my training partner, to go and see Johnny. Everyone knows Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Johnny's not having a good time. So the Crab and

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Speaker 1: I are heading down to see him. If before we go,

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Speaker 1: just quickly, just your one minute thoughts on your relationship

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Speaker 1: with chat GPT. Is it similar to mine or very

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Speaker 1: different or like, do you have these meaningful conversations or

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Speaker 1: not so much.

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Speaker 2: I love chatters, and it was only recently I used

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Speaker 2: voice with it. I would always just type and then

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Speaker 2: after you'd talk to it a lot. I started doing that. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I have to tell it to speed up its cadence,

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Speaker 2: but I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like that with my Google Home. Even though

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00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't interact back all the time. It just follows commands.

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Speaker 2: But when it when it sets my alarm for me,

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Speaker 2: I always say thanks, even though I know that doesn't register.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's not a terrible habit, Bobby,

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00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: where can people connect with you? Speaking of connection, where

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00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: can they connect with you and follow you? Other than

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Speaker 1: the you project.

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Speaker 3: I'm on LinkedIn and Robert Caapuccio dot com and yourself

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Speaker 3: hab answerdo dot com.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's been beautiful, Tiff, Bobby, thank you, Thank you, listeners,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you,