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Speaker 2: Nova. Now, this is an unbelievable story.

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Speaker 3: You may remember Imerosa and Managult Newman from The Apprentice.

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Speaker 3: It's where she first met Donald Trump. Now that was

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Speaker 3: back in two thousand and four. Then in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: he hires her as his senior advisor for his presidential campaign.

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Speaker 3: I'm Arosa then spend a year in the White House

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Speaker 3: as director of Communications.

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Speaker 2: She delivers all the insight.

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Speaker 3: Of her time in there in her book Unhinged, and

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Speaker 3: she joins us right now, i'm Arosa, this is an

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Speaker 3: unbelievable story.

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Speaker 2: It must have been a fascinating period in your life.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you just skipped over about fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: We sum up, You've had a bit going on my life.

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Speaker 1: What were your first impressions of Donald Trump? I mean,

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Speaker 1: clearly to work for him, you would have initially been

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Speaker 1: Is it fair to say impressed by him?

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Speaker 4: Or what was the draw to work with him? Well,

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Speaker 4: you have to remember back then, manye, people didn't know

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Speaker 4: They thought they knew a lot of him, but they

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Speaker 4: really didn't. And so we had this impression that he was,

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Speaker 4: you know, this very brilliant, smart businessman. And the marketing

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Speaker 4: and branding behind the Apprentice was pretty significant, and so yes,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to win the million dollars, win the Apprentice

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Speaker 3: So, okay, you go into the White House and you're

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Speaker 3: working for Donald Trump. When was the moment where you thought, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm Arisia.

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Speaker 4: Well when I'm standing up there on the platform for

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Speaker 4: his inauguration and he gave such a dark inaugural address

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Speaker 4: and I was like, Holy, We're in for a bumpy ride.

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Speaker 4: And then, as you'll recall, maybe a week and a

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Speaker 4: half after that, he enacted the travel ban, banning people

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Speaker 4: walking into the Old walk as going have you lost

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Speaker 5: Idea, Yeah, sure, sure in terms of reaction and threats

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Speaker 5: to yourself, has that been something you've been dealing with?

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Speaker 4: Oh, from the beginning, I had to deal with threats.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm a strong person and I've got a

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Speaker 5: On a daily basis, though, is that a challenge or

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, I don't. I refuse to live

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Speaker 4: in fear. And I think a big part of his

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Speaker 4: But I will say that it's unfortunate that the images

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Speaker 4: I don't know how things are there where you are,

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Speaker 1: So do you think do you think Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: I mean, people are saying he's pretty much exacerbated the

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Speaker 4: I think that every leader who sits in that particular

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Speaker 3: What probably the most beneficial protest will be in November, i'masa,

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Speaker 2: I'merosa, you know.

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Speaker 4: I think that people certainly will. I think that you

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Speaker 4: I think you'll see levels that you saw during the

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Speaker 4: He is not equipped to lead this country any further.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm looking forward to November third, Well, we'll

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Speaker 5: Do you honestly think, though, because what was scary about

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Speaker 5: I mean, no doubt they're shocked by what he's done now,

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Speaker 4: And I certainly not. Only do I believe that people

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Speaker 2: It's just what I just said.

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Speaker 4: Because the poll said that he was trailing Vice president

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Speaker 5: We do that at the radio station here. We don't

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Speaker 5: I did you see the footage of him over the

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I got I've gotten into a lot

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Speaker 4: Towards the end of my time in the White House,

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Speaker 3: One deficiency I think with Donald Trump is he doesn't listen.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't like to listen. With your experience that year

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Speaker 4: And I had to brief the President two or three

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Speaker 5: True that he doesn't read at all, and.

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Speaker 4: He has difficulty reading. Yes, sorry, I mean you've seen

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Speaker 1: do you think he's obsessed? I mean the fact that

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Speaker 2: Sounds like no boredom.

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Speaker 4: I think that it was difficult for him to focus

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Speaker 5: Do you believe that he didn't think at all that

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Speaker 4: Well, the one thing that I said to him in

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Speaker 4: And I used to say to him often, just don't

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Speaker 4: So I know what my workfload was. I can't even

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Speaker 3: Do you last question, I'm ari, do you put have

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Speaker 3: you put on your save or your RESUMEI that you

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Speaker 3: worked for Trump as director of Communications or do you

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Speaker 3: just say that?

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Speaker 2: Do you just say director?

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Speaker 4: Here here's the good thing. I took an oath to

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Speaker 4: White House, sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. And I must say,

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Speaker 4: it is an honor to serve your country. I was

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Speaker 4: And I care about this country and I think that

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Speaker 4: it's sad. It is terrible what has happened because of

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Speaker 4: to not be a laughing stock our country, to not

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Speaker 4: be a laughing stock any longer, and for us to

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Speaker 4: have new leadership come November the third.

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Speaker 3: Good luck well for the fascinating story. The book is

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Speaker 3: called Unhinge. You can get it online or any book

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Speaker 3: retailer here in Australia. But I'm Arisa. We we appreciate you, Tome,

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Speaker 3: we know how busy you are. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for coming on the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys, and please follow me on Twitter at Omosa,

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Speaker 4: thank yous rye bye please Eva