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Speaker 1: Approache production must have been a little bit overwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you come off the truck down and it's old,

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Speaker 2: it's historical, it's cold, it's riddled with cockroaches, it's putred.

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Speaker 2: You know, the brothers run the system. There are you coming?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: The eyes are all on you and new kid on

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Speaker 1: the block. How was that for you? Being a local lader?

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Speaker 1: I mean, was that I guess classes local Balana to Grafton.

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Speaker 1: I mean realistically it is.

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Speaker 2: But within the groups and the peers and no on

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Speaker 2: the boys, were you local or were you still an

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Speaker 2: outsider coming into the system there.

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Speaker 4: I'd say, yeah, local from the area, but because it

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Speaker 4: was my first time, definitely an outsider.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because so what I'm getting at is there was no

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Speaker 2: sort of open arms, come on, let's go brothers your

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Speaker 4: No, no, sorry, there was before I even got into

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Speaker 4: the the wing. When we were doing like the induction,

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Speaker 4: I was in with one of my mates, very close friends,

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Speaker 4: and we just kicked it off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like tweet.

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Speaker 4: We ended up being Selli's so he showed me the ropes,

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Speaker 4: but insaying that I knew the go from Jubi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I already knew the go like.

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Speaker 1: That's a big difference. But bro, you walk into one

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Speaker 1: wing man and I'll tell you now.

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Speaker 2: Especially if you get put up in the corners, you

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Speaker 2: the landings you walk it's it's it's overwhelming, and you

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Speaker 2: feel that energy in there because there's so much history,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean sure that you must have understood

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I knew, and I'd heard stories. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of it's a bad place that went on there from

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Speaker 4: the mates and from the screws. Definitely numerous bashings and

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Speaker 3: So I knew what I was walking into. But I

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Speaker 4: I was pretty confident in myself, like, I know, it

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Speaker 3: And I was nineteen at a.

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Speaker 4: Time when I went in, so I knew I would

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Speaker 4: have known someone in there, not exactly who, And it

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Speaker 4: turns out I didn't know fucking anyone in there.

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Speaker 2: That's better than a punch in the head that yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be pave my ass.

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Speaker 1: I've just been.

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Speaker 4: Even though I was a bit confident, like I was

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Speaker 3: You just don't know what's behind that.

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Speaker 2: I don't care who you know, unless you've lived and

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Speaker 2: breathed the system. And even then you don't know because

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Speaker 2: you don't know politically, whether you've left bad blood, someone's

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Speaker 2: said something out of school and you've come back into

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Speaker 2: the system. You know, the revolving doors. So they call

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Speaker 2: it that you're going to have drama. That's right, you know, with.

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Speaker 4: The ship I was doing, like I had already accepted

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Speaker 4: that there's probably gonna be some beef in there. We

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Speaker 4: can't sort of like relatives.

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Speaker 1: Of square ups of stuff or like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I already accepted that, and I had that, I

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Speaker 4: already accept that when I was going to do and shit.

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Speaker 3: So it was sort of like same, same but different.

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Speaker 2: How did you feel about walking into the yard, So

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Speaker 2: you would have come in, you would have been an

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Speaker 2: end of the day. You wouldn't now off the truck

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Speaker 2: straight into the cells, got your pie or sausage.

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Speaker 1: Rolled down at reception. Yeah, the old as your dinner,

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Speaker 1: and you pillow sleep with your fucking plastic plates and

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Speaker 1: it's just been locked down at four o'clock or three thirty,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I walked in. I think it was a night time.

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Speaker 1: You got spin of cells just across from watching everyone

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Speaker 1: come in. That's that's about to say.

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Speaker 2: It's that's another thing I guess for a young man

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Speaker 2: you're coming in and you're going through reception, but then

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Speaker 2: got someone who's well spina joel, someone is just truly

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Speaker 2: hanging out because they've just come off the street, they're

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Speaker 1: It's ugly. It's not a nice thing to.

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Speaker 1: That's got to have some sort of mental impact on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, surely I can't quite.

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Speaker 4: Put my finger on it right now, but all my

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Speaker 4: But like right now, I can't put a finger on it,

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you this and you'll be able

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Speaker 2: to I'm sure understand for those to be in a

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Speaker 2: because I haven't had this conversation with someone that was

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Speaker 2: You know, Bernie Matthews, phenomenal man, God bless him and

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Speaker 2: always loved dearly was I had the honor I was

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Speaker 2: in jail with Bernie Matthews, whom was there and graft

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Speaker 2: and when it was at its most notorious, his beatings

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Speaker 2: that period of time was phenomenal. Like I'm being disgusting,

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Speaker 2: It's not like that today the squad doesn't come in,

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Speaker 2: well it does, but it doesn't come in as your

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Speaker 2: reception committee and flog you and you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: Welcoming committee. But I want to get back to exactly

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You're the young you've just come out,

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Speaker 2: you've spent the night locked in obviously straight out into

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Speaker 1: It was like got your tower. Yeah, well that's what

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Speaker 2: Like you're looking around, you're looking at a shower block,

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Speaker 2: it's shut down now. Like's are sitting down there literally

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Speaker 2: having shots. You've got four five blokes sharing a needle.

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Speaker 4: There's no doors toilet because there's fucking ten cans in

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Speaker 1: It's just pure, you know, I mean it was, and.

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Speaker 4: There's no doors on and then the one toilet you

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Speaker 4: he's come through shooting up.

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Speaker 1: I need a ship and they're not going to move

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Speaker 3: You got fucking Tom Dick and Harry walking past and.

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Speaker 1: They had that shower block. Yeah, mate, that's that's you're

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Speaker 1: getting got. If you're going to get got? Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: was that for you?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 4: It was just like fucking honestly, like here I am.

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Speaker 4: It was a I don't know what the word is

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Speaker 4: it was. It was definitely a learning curve and it

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know, you've really got to

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Speaker 1: get your senses on. Shut your mouth. Yeah, don't look

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Speaker 3: I just put my put my bag down, a clear bag.

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Speaker 4: You know, you got your whole.

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Speaker 2: You take it out of the yard, your little coffee

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Speaker 3: Or you get lunchlock, lunch locking, and then you're back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I just put my shit down somewhere I could

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Speaker 3: So I put my shit down with him and I

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Speaker 2: Well, they still giving pouches of ox at this stage.

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Speaker 2: Had that stopped?

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Speaker 3: I think they cut that off twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so you've come in, Oh god, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: were something I don't go into that buck because that

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Speaker 2: this question because I mean, we talk about vulnerability. And

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Speaker 1: It's just you're lapping up shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 2: It's just instant tension no matter where you are. You know,

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Speaker 2: New south a system where you were.

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Speaker 2: Fairly big, plenty of room to move generally graft And

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Speaker 4: So when I was in So, when I first started

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Speaker 3: I was constantly back and forth from kemc. So it's

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Speaker 3: not because my cour was up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, up on the milk run yeah, man, fucking hell,

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Speaker 5: shout out Norco milk. But that was the best part

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Speaker 5: like something to look forward to, lost track when I.

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Speaker 1: Was I can see that twinkling your eyes.

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Speaker 2: And it's not until you actually have these conversation. We

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Speaker 2: don't talk about it, and we don't there's nothing to

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Speaker 2: talk about because who wants to talk about future jail

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Speaker 2: and you know, your time in a yard. But it's

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Speaker 2: it's important for the listeners to understand truly how actually

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Speaker 2: bad it is. You know, it's not fun and you're

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Speaker 2: you're I think such an interesting chat because as a guest,

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Speaker 2: your generation is very different to those that I've had

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Speaker 2: on here who have experience that, so it is a

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Speaker 2: come in have done a lot of long terms, they've

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Speaker 2: gone into Grafton and to them it was very well

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Speaker 2: known what to expect and how to how to hold

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Speaker 2: themselves in the yard. I've never had the chance to

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Speaker 2: ask someone who's a younger fellow their opinion, so it's important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've never had the chance to really talk

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Speaker 4: to someone who gets it, to tell you the truth.

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Speaker 4: None of my mates have been in jail, well like sorry,

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Speaker 4: none of my mates had been to jail until after

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Speaker 4: I'd went. Yeah, so I was the first and then

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Speaker 4: I got out and I started hanging out with other ladsship.

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Speaker 3: But that's a whole different story. But back to we

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Speaker 3: were talking about the shape of the yap, Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when I first started going, it was they

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Speaker 4: share it, you know, you get lunch locking and the

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Speaker 4: bony come out. So about halfway through my little fucking

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Speaker 4: stay in the prison systems, they actually sectioned it off.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah, so they cut it in half. So

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Speaker 4: they cut it in half, left the bigger half for

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Speaker 4: one wing.

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Speaker 1: As a fancy you can see through or a wall through.

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Speaker 4: There's like there's two couple of doors you can see

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Speaker 4: through singing out to the girls and ship.

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Speaker 1: And that's right because they're women.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So they cut it in half, left one wing

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Speaker 4: with the shower block, and then they'd cut the second.

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Speaker 1: Half where the wall was with the squash the squash court, water.

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Speaker 3: Yard and the women. Right, so it was turned to

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Speaker 3: three yards.

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Speaker 1: What were the women downstairs? Were they of two wings?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where the education block used to be around there

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Speaker 2: half yeah, right, but.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they cut it in half about halfway through

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Speaker 4: my stay and yeah, it got even smaller.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't even cut a full lap now because the

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Speaker 4: shower block. It was more like you you cut it,

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Speaker 4: you go more then come back around the shower block.

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Speaker 3: It was fucked.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, it's a whole different world. People don't get it.

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Speaker 4: It's not like it wasn't as bad as I.

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Speaker 3: Thought it'd be. Don't get me a it's not nice.

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