WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 3 December

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<v Speaker 1>Lately, gentle man, welcome the late base.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm James Macpherson with Liz Staurer and Caleb Bond coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember as a kid, those nesle quality street chocolates, the

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<v Speaker 3>big tins he used to get. I'm going to show

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<v Speaker 3>you a little later how those tins have shrunk over

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<v Speaker 3>the past forty years. If you're not a believer in

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<v Speaker 3>shrink flation, trust me, by the end of the program

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be a believer. Plus, when we look at what's

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<v Speaker 3>making news tomorrow, the Herald Sun has a front page

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<v Speaker 3>update on that murderer who's being released from maximum security

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<v Speaker 3>to get IVF treatment.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been the development in that story.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have that, plus the Australian newspaper on how Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>schools are topping the napland results.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why.

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<v Speaker 3>All of that when we look at tomorrow's papers. But

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<v Speaker 3>first we've got to start with this extraordinary story, and

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<v Speaker 3>I promise you we are not making this up. A

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian town has been fined ten thousand dollars for refusing

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<v Speaker 3>to celebrate Pride Month, and the town's councilors who voted

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<v Speaker 3>against Pride Month have been ordered to undergo human rights training.

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<v Speaker 3>The saga began when a gay rights group asked the

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<v Speaker 3>EMO council, that's the name of the town, not a

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<v Speaker 3>descriptive of the council. They asked the EMO Council in

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<v Speaker 3>Ontario to proclaim June as Pride Month and to fly

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<v Speaker 3>a Pride flag.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, they asked the council to agree that.

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<v Speaker 3>Sexual orientations and diverse gender identities should be celebrated. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the council voted three to two against the motion. The mayor,

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<v Speaker 3>during the break observed that flags aren't flown for straight people,

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<v Speaker 3>so he didn't see why they should be flown for

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<v Speaker 3>gay people. Well, the gay rights group took exception to

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<v Speaker 3>this and went straight to the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal

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<v Speaker 3>and get this, It resulted in a five day hearing,

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<v Speaker 3>paid for.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, by taxpayers. Here's the result of the hearing.

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<v Speaker 3>In the decision handed down last week, the Human Rights

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<v Speaker 3>Tribunal of Ontario ruled that EMO, its mayor, and two

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<v Speaker 3>of its counselors had violated the Ontario Human Rights Code

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<v Speaker 3>by refusing to proclaim June as Pride Month. The town

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<v Speaker 3>was also cited for failing to fly an LGBTQ two.

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<v Speaker 3>The two stands for two spirited rainbow flag, despite the

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<v Speaker 3>fact they didn't have an official flagpole. Now, as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>the council was fined ten thousand dollars. That money went

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<v Speaker 3>to the Pride Group. The mayor was personally fined five

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars also sent to the Pride Group, and those

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<v Speaker 3>who voted against Pride Month were ordered to undergo human

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<v Speaker 3>rights training and to provide written proof that they had

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<v Speaker 3>done the training within thirty days to the Pride Group. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this thing has got problems everywhere, but just off the

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<v Speaker 3>top of my head, firstly, calaber list, no one has

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<v Speaker 3>the right to be celebrated. You might celebrate yourself, but

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have the right to demand I or anyone

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<v Speaker 3>else celebrates you. In fact, to demand that I celebrate

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<v Speaker 3>you is to overrule my rights of free speech, free thought,

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<v Speaker 3>my right of conscience. Beyond that, when you are forcing

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<v Speaker 3>people to celebrate you, you're not creating acceptance, you're creating animosity.

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<v Speaker 3>There may well be celebration, but it'll be through gritted teeth,

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<v Speaker 3>and that certainly doesn't help your cause. But tempting as

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<v Speaker 3>it is, to get really upset at the gay rights group,

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<v Speaker 3>in this instance and the activists, I think the real

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<v Speaker 3>blame lies with the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost a given now that any.

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<v Speaker 3>Organization that has human rights in the title won't be

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<v Speaker 3>upholding human rights, they'll be violating them, and Caleb, that's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what they've done in this instance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just obscene.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I can even describe how obscene this

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<v Speaker 4>decision is, because if we're talking met human rights here,

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<v Speaker 4>surely freedom is a fundamental human right as well, and

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<v Speaker 4>so a counsel ought to have the freedom to decide

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<v Speaker 4>what flags it wants to put up the flagpole that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't exist, by the way, and what months it chooses

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it says, oh, well, we don't particularly think.

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<v Speaker 4>That in our town of one three hundred people, it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to make too much of a difference if we

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<v Speaker 4>celebrate Pride month or.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, who cares.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is what happens when the long arm

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<v Speaker 4>of the law is allowed to tell us what we

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<v Speaker 4>can and cannot say. I mean, this is veering into

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<v Speaker 4>thought crime territory really, because it wasn't only that they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have the month decreed as Pride month. It was

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<v Speaker 4>that they had, as you pointed out, even dared to say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't do this for other people, therefore we're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to do it for this group of people. If

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<v Speaker 4>you think that they're going to start coming after you

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<v Speaker 4>and the law is going to be used to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>This is in Canada, but you'd be stupid to think

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<v Speaker 4>that this is not going to hit the shores of

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<v Speaker 4>Australia and every other Western nation very soon. If these groups,

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<v Speaker 4>these boards, these human rights commissions are willing to hold

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<v Speaker 4>a gun to your head and charge you money for

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<v Speaker 4>not doing.

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<v Speaker 1>What activists tell you to do, it is insane.

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<v Speaker 5>And the group, this Borderland Bride group, their militants over

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<v Speaker 5>this cannot be overstated.

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<v Speaker 6>Check out this.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote from Borderland Pride director Douglas Judson. He said, as

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<v Speaker 5>a lawyer who does this work, that means I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to start taking people's houses and their vehicles and their

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<v Speaker 5>toys and draining their bank accounts and garnishing their wages

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<v Speaker 5>because no one is going to stop behaving this way.

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<v Speaker 6>Until there were real consequences.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, well, I can't understand why everyone wouldn't just

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<v Speaker 5>be rolling over to keep you happy mate. These guys

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<v Speaker 5>once they won the case fifteen thousand dollars in total,

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<v Speaker 5>they said to this, council will donate a third of

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<v Speaker 5>our award to the public library if you guys agree

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<v Speaker 5>to host a drag Queen's story time at a date

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<v Speaker 5>of our choosing. Now the Council, it would appear, has

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<v Speaker 5>said no to this point. They're not desperate for a

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<v Speaker 5>handout for the people who have effectively sued them you

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<v Speaker 5>using the Commission, but now this them then being sent

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<v Speaker 5>off to the Commission's own retraining education camp for human

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<v Speaker 5>rights one oh one. As someone who has a master's

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<v Speaker 5>degree in human rights, I'd love to attend this course because,

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<v Speaker 5>as Matt just said, it's not a human right that

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<v Speaker 5>you must be celebrated for all your life choices, especially

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<v Speaker 5>by people who haven't made those same life choices and

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<v Speaker 5>just want to be left alone to live their own lives.

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<v Speaker 5>Check this out quote out from the training manual. It says,

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't matter if you didn't intend or mean to discriminate,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the impact on the person that matters. Oh well, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>well they're just all hostages. Then to the feelings of

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<v Speaker 5>anyone who decides I've been discriminated against, but spare a

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<v Speaker 5>thought for Canada.

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<v Speaker 6>This has been going on for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 5>Back in nineteen ninety five, Hamilton Mayor was fined five

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<v Speaker 5>thousand dollars for refusing to proclaim Pride week remember when

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<v Speaker 5>it was just a week. Back In also nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 5>London Ontarigo fined ten thousand dollars for refusing to officially

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<v Speaker 5>recognize Pride weekend. It it goes to show this has

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<v Speaker 5>been happening for a very long time. And this particular

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<v Speaker 5>lobby group, Borderland Pride, this is the second time in

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<v Speaker 5>four months they've won a five FI award. The last

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<v Speaker 5>time was thirty five grand out of some blow you'd

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<v Speaker 5>gone online. It was his own Facebook account and tweeted, well,

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<v Speaker 5>not tweeted. Facebook posted something to the effect of quote

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<v Speaker 5>not quote yet No. He was saying that Borderland Prides

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<v Speaker 5>all ages, drag Queen show was a quote pedophile show.

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<v Speaker 5>End quote. Now that's an opinion. People are jumping online

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<v Speaker 5>sharing their opinions. This guy had cost him thirty five

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<v Speaker 5>thousand dollars. That's how militant they are in Canada. And

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<v Speaker 5>it does make you wonder because we have plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>councils here who do all these kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 6>Corporates as well.

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<v Speaker 5>They fly the flag you name it, Waverley Council, I

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<v Speaker 5>believe it is. I remember attending one of their ends

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<v Speaker 5>a day parades and they had painted around their entire

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<v Speaker 5>building like the road is a rainbow, just to.

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<v Speaker 6>Get the council chambers.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, Wow, these these guys are going full hog.

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<v Speaker 5>But it makes you wonder how many of them are

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<v Speaker 5>doing this kind of thing just to avoid somebody like

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<v Speaker 5>this lobby group here in Australia approaching the Human Rights

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<v Speaker 5>Commission and getting them done similarly?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, how many of us, when I say us,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in the Royal US censor our own speech every

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<v Speaker 3>day so we don't have get in trouble from someone

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<v Speaker 3>or some organization or its life in our community. And

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<v Speaker 3>God bless emo counsel for having the courage of their

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<v Speaker 3>convictions and saying no, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Not doing this, and that's consequence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the point.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is a warning shot to everyone else, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because sure a council can afford to stump up the

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<v Speaker 4>ten grand, and the me can probably afford the five

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<v Speaker 4>grand that's put upon them. But a lot of people

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<v Speaker 4>the right pay well, exactly exactly the right pay is

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<v Speaker 4>you know, an average person, if you were told you

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<v Speaker 4>had to hand over ten grand because you'd committed some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of you know, thought crime like that, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people, most people wouldn't have ten grand in the

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<v Speaker 4>bank to be able to pay that. That is the

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<v Speaker 4>point they are trying to call you into silence. The

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<v Speaker 4>game mafia in this case is trying to call you

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<v Speaker 4>into silence. To a similarly crazy story, this time a

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<v Speaker 4>little further south into the United States, There's been a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of a hullabaloo going on in the US in

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<v Speaker 4>a particular volleyball league because one team has tried to

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<v Speaker 4>get a transgender player to join their team, and other

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<v Speaker 4>teams in response have said, well, no, we're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to sign up and play anymore. They're boycotting against the

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<v Speaker 4>San Jose University because of course they're trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>a biological mail to play against women. His a little

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<v Speaker 4>explanation from Fox News.

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<v Speaker 7>Boise State University women's volleyball team announcing it will forfeit

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<v Speaker 7>it's semifinal match in the Mountain West Tournament against San

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<v Speaker 7>Jose State University Boise State, saying quote, they should not

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<v Speaker 7>have to forego this opportunity while waiting for a more

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<v Speaker 7>thoughtful and better system that serves all athletes. San Jose

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<v Speaker 7>State come under fire for allowing a biological male to

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<v Speaker 7>compete on their women's volleyball team. We spoke to a

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<v Speaker 7>competing volleyball team captain from the same conference as San

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<v Speaker 7>Jose stee about the choice teams are facing.

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<v Speaker 6>They're faced with something really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of stakes now.

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<v Speaker 5>Forfeiting during the conference season is one thing, but now

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<v Speaker 5>the sticks are much higher now.

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<v Speaker 4>As you heard there. It has caused a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>travel within the league. Has also caused a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>trouble within their own team. There are players who are

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<v Speaker 4>now refusing to go on the court. They're even suing

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<v Speaker 4>their own team for the decision to include a transgender

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<v Speaker 4>woman a biological male in the team. So The New

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<v Speaker 4>York Times wrote an article going into the back room

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<v Speaker 4>turmoil within the team that's been going on since this

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<v Speaker 4>decision was made. And get this, why would you use

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<v Speaker 4>one word when you could use three? The New York

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<v Speaker 4>Times published an article on the current controversy sweeping through

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<v Speaker 4>the women's college volleyball after multiple teams forfeited games against

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<v Speaker 4>San Jose State University and transgender player Blair Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>In the article, the outlet used the.

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<v Speaker 4>Term non transgender women to refer to biological females when

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<v Speaker 4>discussing the varying levels of testosterone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's a word. I'm trying to think, what is a.

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<v Speaker 6>Woman?

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<v Speaker 1>Woman? That's what it is, But they use non transgender woman.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, seriously, Freddie Mercury, take it away.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm girling slightly, man and going slightly.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the world has truly lost the plot. We

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<v Speaker 4>all know what a non transgender woman is. It's a woman,

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<v Speaker 4>for heaven's sake. Why can't you just say woman? And

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say natural rattleover. Martina navrattlover, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>famous female tennis player, hit out at this on X,

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<v Speaker 4>saying New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Times, you stink. We are women.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not transgender women, just women will do in

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<v Speaker 4>the future. Another account on X Women Are Real pointed

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<v Speaker 4>out the ridiculousness of this. Hey, in New York Times,

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<v Speaker 4>don't call us non transgender women.

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<v Speaker 1>Just stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop all the offensive terms for us, such as birthing parent, uterus,

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<v Speaker 4>ha menstrue waiter, my personal favorite vaginal presenting, whatever the

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<v Speaker 4>hell that is. Apparently from the Olympus spa hearing we

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<v Speaker 4>are women, I mean we have well and true well

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<v Speaker 4>not we not here on the late debate, but some

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<v Speaker 4>people have well and truly jumped the shark if some

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<v Speaker 4>journalists just sitting there and genuinely thinks non transgender woman

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<v Speaker 4>is an app description for a woman.

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<v Speaker 5>Later on in the article, this same journo uses the

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<v Speaker 5>term athlete to signed female at birth. Once again, the

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<v Speaker 5>words you're looking for is women.

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<v Speaker 6>Those are women.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why they were assigned female at birth. They have

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<v Speaker 5>all the equipment of a war men. But you've got

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<v Speaker 5>a feel for these volleyball players because while they're suing

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<v Speaker 5>their own team and on that it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 5>a class action type thing because groups volleyball teams that

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<v Speaker 5>would be versing the Spartans that is the name of

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<v Speaker 5>the team who are trying to include this transgender player

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<v Speaker 5>are also joining this lawsuit saying well, were at risk

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<v Speaker 5>as well. This is very much a risk to our

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<v Speaker 5>well being and certainly could stand.

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<v Speaker 6>To set us back in the state's ranking.

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<v Speaker 5>Because if you guys win, while you've got a biological man,

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<v Speaker 5>blang for you, how is that fair? All I think

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<v Speaker 5>they really should be suing is their National Collegiate Athletic Association,

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<v Speaker 5>which of course is the body in the United States

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<v Speaker 5>of America that oversees all of this, and their website

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<v Speaker 5>says trends volleyball players can play if their testosterone is

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<v Speaker 5>less than ten nanimals per liter, which is four times

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<v Speaker 5>more than the average females levels of testosterone, and the

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<v Speaker 5>experts tell us, actually, ten animals per liter is very

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<v Speaker 5>average for the everyday guy walking around. So basically, a

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<v Speaker 5>biological male who's made no effort whatsoever to chip down

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<v Speaker 5>on their testosterone levels, they're okay to play in the

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<v Speaker 5>volleyball leagues. It's perfectly fine. These women are being told

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<v Speaker 5>to give up their safe spaces because this means they're

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<v Speaker 5>in the locker rooms, they're in the showers, they're in all.

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<v Speaker 6>The rest of it.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to give up our work, our sports, all

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<v Speaker 5>the rest of it. Someone tried to convince me that

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<v Speaker 5>this shouldn't just be called the misogyny movement because all

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<v Speaker 5>it involves when it's and I'm sick of using the

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<v Speaker 5>term trans women as well, because as far as I'm concerned,

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<v Speaker 5>you're not any kind of woman. Okay, I would know

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<v Speaker 5>what it is to be a woman, what it means

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<v Speaker 5>to be a woman.

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<v Speaker 6>You do not and will never.

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<v Speaker 5>You can dress up all you like, doesn't make your women,

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<v Speaker 5>and to insinuate otherwise is just so unbelievably insulting. But

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<v Speaker 5>to come after our sports, our safeguards, our words, our rights,

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<v Speaker 5>and us being forced by sporting bodies like this, who

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<v Speaker 5>should know better to relinquish those basic rights.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a misogyny movement, that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm done that The New York Times would just casually

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<v Speaker 3>insert this term non trans women, as if you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's a thing. Shows you just how far this movement

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<v Speaker 3>has gone and how low our culture has sunk.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's actually quite logical.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel it when you say, why don't they just

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<v Speaker 3>use the word woman? But of course, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>you know this, they can't use the word woman because

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<v Speaker 3>if you have transgendered women being compared with that.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got to stop using the term. It's like my

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<v Speaker 6>partolgical men.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have transgendered women as compared to the testosterone

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<v Speaker 3>levels of women, well, implicit in that is that transgendered

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<v Speaker 3>women aren't actually women.

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<v Speaker 2>Therefore you can't have women.

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<v Speaker 3>You can only have trans women or non trans women,

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<v Speaker 3>and so women have now become.

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<v Speaker 2>A subset of a class that used to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be their own, or to put it another way, in

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<v Speaker 3>order to reclassify themselves, men have declassified women completely. But

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<v Speaker 3>the transgendered movement relies on obfiscation.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to manipulate and mangle language because otherwise it

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<v Speaker 3>becomes plain that they're talking about someone who is other

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<v Speaker 3>than a woman. Even the polite term cisgendered women. It's

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<v Speaker 3>grossly consulting, because wherever you have to qualify what kind

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<v Speaker 3>of woman this is, you are now implying that men

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<v Speaker 3>can be women.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's just women. And I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Even the term transgendered woman is in itself a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>And we all perpetuate these lies.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of fear or because of a well intentioned desire

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<v Speaker 3>to be kind. But it's not kindness to end up

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<v Speaker 3>with the result that you so eloquently described, where you've

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<v Speaker 3>got women being raised, you've got unsafe spaces, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>sports being completely bastardized.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got all of.

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<v Speaker 3>This happening in the name of kindness and inclusion. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just wrong and it's just lies.

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<v Speaker 6>Here here to a different kind of madness. And back

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<v Speaker 6>to Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>The Commonwealth Bank has sent an email out to anyone

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<v Speaker 5>holding a complete access account saying, look, we've decided these

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<v Speaker 5>accounts no longer exist, so we're moving you over to

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<v Speaker 5>a smart access account.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>I hope everyone read the fine print.

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<v Speaker 5>In this email because they would have discovered had they

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<v Speaker 5>read on, that it's going to cost them from January

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<v Speaker 5>sixth next year three bucks to withdraw their own money.

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<v Speaker 6>Should they go to a bank branch, a.

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<v Speaker 5>Post office or try and make a withdrawal over the phone?

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<v Speaker 6>Three bucks up? Pop?

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<v Speaker 5>What the heck is that covering admin costs? Does it

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<v Speaker 5>really cost three minutes for someone to just grab the cash,

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<v Speaker 5>which they're employed to do already and hand it over

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<v Speaker 5>the counter.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, the Commonwealth Bank wants.

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<v Speaker 5>You to know that as long as you keep using

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<v Speaker 5>their ATMs it's free.

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<v Speaker 6>You can still withdraw for free.

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<v Speaker 5>But we all know this is another spoke in the

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<v Speaker 5>wheel of making it harder and harder to use cash

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<v Speaker 5>here in Australia. Because one of the Commonwealth Bank says, ah,

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<v Speaker 5>don't worry. They just use a Commonwealth Bank ATM and

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<v Speaker 5>your withdrawal is still free.

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<v Speaker 6>They've closed over.

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<v Speaker 5>Fifty four percent of their ATMs over the last five years.

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<v Speaker 6>They've closed more than.

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<v Speaker 5>Three hundred and fifty branches over the last five years.

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<v Speaker 5>So while they try and make it sound like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>this actually isn't too bad, it's an absolute you know

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<v Speaker 5>what show?

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<v Speaker 6>Where do these banks get off? Everyone already pays banking fees.

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<v Speaker 5>Most of us don't know where that goes either, because

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<v Speaker 5>they get to play with our money for as long

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<v Speaker 5>as it's in our accounts. That little figure on your

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<v Speaker 5>screen when you log into your bank account ain't just

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 6>They do stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>They make the most of the money that you've invested

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<v Speaker 5>with them while they've got it.

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<v Speaker 6>So here they are making.

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<v Speaker 5>The most of us choosing them as a bank, while

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<v Speaker 5>flogging their own people who have chosen common Wealth Bank.

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<v Speaker 6>It does my head in and no wonder.

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<v Speaker 5>This is rightly released a massive backlash of thousands of

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<v Speaker 5>Australians saying we're just going to change banks then, because

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<v Speaker 5>you flogs can go jump.

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<v Speaker 6>It's certainly right.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to know what would happen if you

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<v Speaker 3>go to your local Commonwealth bank and you say to

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<v Speaker 3>the teller, because you're down to your last three bucks, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'd like to withdraw my three dollars please, and

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<v Speaker 3>she would just look at you and smile and say,

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<v Speaker 3>there you go, and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would slip from give you an eye.

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<v Speaker 3>Commonwealth Bank just announced LUs. I mean the timing of

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<v Speaker 3>this is brilliant, right they announced today we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>charge you to get your own money. But less than

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<v Speaker 3>four weeks ago they announced a two point five billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollar first quarter profit. So it's not like they're doing

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<v Speaker 3>it tough. I mean two point five billion that's not

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<v Speaker 3>financial year, that's the first quarter. And now they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to sting you to get your own money.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with.

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<v Speaker 3>This is that when you got paid in days gone by,

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<v Speaker 3>you get it in a little envelope and then you

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<v Speaker 3>could decide to put it under your pillow if you're Italian,

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, if you put it in the bank,

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<v Speaker 3>if that's what you wanted to do or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>You're Italian or you're smart, but you're just jolly smart.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't give them your money.

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<v Speaker 3>But these days, your money goes straight from your employer

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<v Speaker 3>to the bank. In this case the Commonwealth Bank of

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<v Speaker 3>Australia and then you have to go and beg or

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<v Speaker 3>pay to get it out. That's not a good deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean bank stopped providing service so long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember some time ago, I went to the Saint

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<v Speaker 3>George Bank in my local area. I don't bank with

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<v Speaker 3>Saint George, but I know that they have cash on premises.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I had one hundred dollars bill I needed two fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in there. They wouldn't swap it for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a bank, don't deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not even one of us.

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<v Speaker 4>Like money and what I mean it is just insane.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I have been a long term Combank customer.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm also a Westpac customer, and I'm seriously considering pulling

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<v Speaker 4>my customers.

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<v Speaker 6>Would you pay?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, well, it's one's business related and one's personal.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am.

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<v Speaker 4>Seriously considering pulling everything out of CBA.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got my mortgage with CBA, I've got all my.

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<v Speaker 4>Savings accounts, my spending accounts is all with CBA. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>seriously considering pulling out of there because they are taking

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<v Speaker 4>people for a ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they say that you'll still be able.

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<v Speaker 4>To go into the bank and do it for free

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<v Speaker 4>if you've got a disability. But let's be real here,

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<v Speaker 4>the majority of people who would still go into a

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<v Speaker 4>bank branch to do their banking are older Australians. This

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<v Speaker 4>is discrimination against and absolutely it is discrimination against older people.

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<v Speaker 4>And the banks have had it so easy in this

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<v Speaker 4>country for such a long time. I mean, look that

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<v Speaker 4>the last couple of years with interest rates going up,

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<v Speaker 4>that's why their profits are going through the roof, because

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<v Speaker 4>us who have a mortgage are forced to give more

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<v Speaker 4>and more of our income to them, and that just

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<v Speaker 4>goes straight into their pockets.

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<v Speaker 1>They love that off.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going through the roof and at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>they want to take three dollars away from you to

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<v Speaker 4>take out your own money. But the banks in Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>and I have said this before, are secured by the

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<v Speaker 4>federal government. If the whole thing goes aover t the

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<v Speaker 4>federal government posts the global financial crisis in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and seven made a decision that it would secure the

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<v Speaker 4>banks in order to secure our economic systems in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>now in exchange for the federal government providing that security

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<v Speaker 4>to the banks, essentially saying that you will never fall over,

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<v Speaker 4>which means you have a lifetime in perpetuity profit as

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<v Speaker 4>long as you run your business properly. The federal government

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<v Speaker 4>should be able to call in some favors. And the

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<v Speaker 4>federal government needs to grow a spine and start telling

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<v Speaker 4>Combank and all the other banks to pull their heads

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<v Speaker 4>in and not do this kind of thing. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want the security of the federal government, which by extension

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<v Speaker 4>is the security of the taxpayer, the security of the

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<v Speaker 4>customers of Commonwealth Bank and the other banks, you must

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<v Speaker 4>keep your branches open. You must provide a certain level

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<v Speaker 4>of service. If you won't do that, then you don't

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<v Speaker 4>get our security anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how things show.

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<v Speaker 5>The irony that they've called the smart access account.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't access it a smart access account.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh it's smart to pay my bank three bucks to

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<v Speaker 5>access my own money. These guys want to ensure that

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 5>cash is dead in this country. But according to the

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<v Speaker 5>later stats from the RBA, ossies in the last twelve

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 5>months alone withdrew one hundred and seven billion dollars. In

0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 5>the last twelve months, we withdrew one hundred and seven

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 5>billion dollars in cash. So cash ain't dead and you've

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 5>got a long way to go before you're punished enough

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<v Speaker 5>to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>It'd be smart to take your money out of the

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.880
<v Speaker 3>smart access account. Indeed, banks aren't managing our money well,

0:25:57.920 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 3>and neither other federal government.

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Of course, that's not news to you. But there's more

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:02.760
<v Speaker 2>bad news.

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Albanezi has planned to subsidize childcare so that parents

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 3>are only paying ten dollars a day. The rest, of course,

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 3>will be paid by the taxpayers. Now, I suppose parents

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 3>will love this, certainly, childcare providers are going to love it,

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 3>but economists are warning this is going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>massive impost on the taxpayer. In a report examining pathways

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 3>to universal childcare released in September, the Productivity Commission estimated

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 3>that a ten dollars a day flat fee model for

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 3>childcare would cost eight point three billion dollars. If they

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<v Speaker 3>just had subsidies at ninety percent across the board, it

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.360
<v Speaker 3>would cost six billion dollars. So it's a nice sounding

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 3>idea to help parents, but it's going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>massive cost eight point three billion dollars to begin with.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm thinking, you know, aside from subsidizing childcare, are

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:58.159
<v Speaker 3>there some other things in this country that could do

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 3>with eight point three billion dollars. I'm thinking our defense force,

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 3>you could do with some ships. I mean, we couldn't

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.960
<v Speaker 3>even send one to the Red Sea to help secure

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 3>global shipping. Eight point three billion dollars would be pretty

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>handy there right now. Not only that, but demand for

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>childcare is going.

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>To outstrip supply.

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 3>As soon as it's ten dollars a day, well, the

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 3>childcare centers will be overrun. So obviously that's going to

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 3>lead to increasing prices. It's hard to believe the government

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 3>aren't going to create another NDIS with this thing. It

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>starts off at eight point three billion and it just

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 3>continues on and on, and it's one of those things.

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Who's ever going to wind it back. Who's going to

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 3>tell mum and dad we're going then now start charging

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you more for your childcare. But beyond all that, and

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 3>I reckon you'll be strong on this one, Liz. It

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 3>undermines families because kids need parents, not minders. And the government,

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 3>if they want to help families and want to do

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 3>something for families, find a way to help mums and

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<v Speaker 3>or dads be with their kids in those formative years

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 3>rather than finding ways to help parents or floads.

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<v Speaker 5>I find it utterly vomitous that your government wants to

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<v Speaker 5>convince you.

0:28:09.920 --> 0:28:14.439
<v Speaker 6>This is how we're helping families. No, you're not. You

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 6>just want mothers.

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 5>To get back to work to generate more tax dollars

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 5>for you.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 6>That is all.

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 5>You give a flying rip about seventy nine percent of

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 5>women in this country return to work just twelve months

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:30.679
<v Speaker 5>after giving birth.

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 6>And that's that's staggered.

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 5>So some go back after three months, some go back

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 5>after six, some go back after twelve, but all in all,

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 5>within twelve months, seventy nine percent of brand new mums

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:44.280
<v Speaker 5>are back at their.

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 6>Desk working for the man.

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 5>And I tell you what, the vast majority of women

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't prefer that.

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 6>It's not their preference.

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 5>You're not empowering women by taking their children off them

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 5>in infancy.

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 6>To be raised by the state. That's what this really is.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 6>The government doesn't give a rip about you.

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't give a rip about your children, except that

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.719
<v Speaker 5>they're the little sheepies that have to keep their economy.

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 6>Going in the future. We all know that John D.

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 5>Rockefeller put together the more an education system in order

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 5>to raise in order to breed conforming sheep.

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 6>That was the whole point of it.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Kids were smarter when they weren't educated in this cookie

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 5>cutaway and earlier and earlier the state wants to take

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 5>them off.

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 6>You. You go back to work, you.

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 5>Go generate tax dollars, will take your infants off, you

0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 5>will raise them.

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 6>And how many.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 5>Times do we talk about the education system in this

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 5>country and what a cesspool of indoctrination it is pretty much,

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 5>whether it's primary school, whether it's high school, whether it's

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 5>our universities. My gosh, that seems to be what their

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 5>best at do. And I tell you what, we in

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:06.479
<v Speaker 5>the West aren't much better than the Soviet the Communists

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 5>of years gone by, because they understood the power of

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 5>taking the child, the state, taking the child at a

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 5>young age and educating it. That's where we get the

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 5>famous quote from Hitler saying, he alone who gains the youth,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 5>gains the future. It was Lenin who said, give me

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 5>a child at the age of eight, and he will

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 5>be a Bolshevik forever. Stalin also said education is a weapon,

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 5>and what the impact that it has depends on who's

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 5>holding that weapon and who he's aiming it at.

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 6>The state knows the power of education.

0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 5>It's not just yeah, let's take the kid off the

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 5>mum at a really young age and raise it ourselves.

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 5>There is also this indoctrination bent you go back to work. Yep,

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 5>we just want you for your tax dollars.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 6>You're just numbers to us.

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much, goodbye, will take care of the kid.

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 5>But there is an agenda behind that. I don't care

0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 5>what anyone says.

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 4>And the paradoxical problem for the federal government is that

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 4>by doing that they actually shoot themselves in the foot

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 4>because of course they want you to go back to

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 4>work now so you can generate tax dollars. But in

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 4>order for tax dollars to be generated in perpetuity, you

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 4>need another generation to come through. And you look at

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 4>the fertility rate in Australia, it's going through the floor,

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 4>in no small part because it is so expensive to

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 4>live now that people can't afford to have a child.

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 4>And so you look at the circumstances and you go, well,

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>why would I have a kid. It's too expensive, We've

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 4>got to go straight back to work. So they've actually

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 4>created a situation where they don't have another generation coming through,

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 4>which is why we rely so much on immigration and

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 4>the economics of this, and economists are simply pointing out

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 4>the plain obvious truth here. This thing is a ponzi scheme.

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm sitting here thinking, so I should look

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 4>into opening a childcare center because it has been operating

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 4>as a ponzi scheme for years. Whereby they go, Okay,

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 4>the cost of childcare is going up, so we as

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 4>the government will increase the subsidy. So the childcare center

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 4>then goes, excellent, the subsidy's gone up ten percent, so

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 4>we'll just whack our fees up ten percent. So the

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 4>following year, the government goes, oh my god, the price

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 4>of childcare has gone up.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>We better jack up the subsidy, and on and on

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and on it goes.

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 4>It is an endless money pit, essentially for childcare centers,

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 4>because the government just keeps topping up whatever the childcare

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 4>centers asked for. I mean, is that not the greatest

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 4>business model you've ever heard of in your life?

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 5>And there's plenty of mums who are saying, I'm basically

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 5>what I'm earning by going back to work is being

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 5>so consumed by my childcare costs. I'm literally paying the

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 5>state to raise my child. I might as well just

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 5>stay at home, but of course mums can't do that

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 5>because they want to be able to keep their jobs,

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 5>so by the time maternity comes up, unless they've got

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 5>a sport system that means well, I have got the option,

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 5>which sadly nowadays is a luxury of staying at home

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 5>with my children. Then I have to go back to work.

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 6>Because I don't want to lose my job. It's absolutely disgusting.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 5>I hate how they market this to women as we're

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 5>empowering you. Now you can go back to work. Do

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 5>not assume what we want. If you actually listened to

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 5>what women want, why don't you pay them what you're

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.160
<v Speaker 5>paying the daycare centers to stay at home and raise

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 5>their own children, because you'd get far healthier generations coming

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 5>up through the ranks who were raised properly at home

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 5>before reaching school age and then going off to school at.

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 6>The age of five.

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 5>Why don't you do that government, It wouldn't cost you

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 5>anymore and women around the nation would be very grateful

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 5>and no doubt take you up on the offer.

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 6>Staying here in Australia. Remember when we were told there

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 6>are no.

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 5>Payfasts in the water systems here in Sydney. No, actually

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 5>there's none because we haven't tested for it.

0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.520
<v Speaker 6>So we'll do a little test for it. Oh, we

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 6>tested for it. There is alarming levels of prefas up

0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 6>in these water.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Catchments in the Blue Mountains, So sorry about that. Not

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 5>telling us what they're doing in terms of testing any

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 5>other water sources here in the state. But it looks

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 5>like we may have a small win on this score.

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 5>Forever chemicals to be filtered from tap water or believe

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 5>it when I.

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 6>Actually see it. This is from the Sydney Morning Herald.

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 5>The state government will commission a new mobile filtration plant

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 5>to clean up tap water supplies in the Blue Mountains

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 5>that have been tainted by a plume of cancer linked

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 5>forever chemicals. The three point four million dollar filtration unit

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 5>is already being installed in the Cascade Water Filtration Plant

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 5>in Kotomba, which supplies drinking water to nearly fifty thousand

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 5>residents across the area.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 6>On the World he List, I've said it a thousand

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 6>times before. This is a big bug bear of mine.

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 5>You can find pfas in your everyday products.

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 6>It is in your cooking implements.

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 5>It is in all the frank And food that they

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 5>stuff our supermarkets full of it costs.

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:17.480
<v Speaker 6>It costs the US.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 5>They estimate two hundred and fifty billion dollars a year

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 5>in the health side effects of people who have just

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 5>consumed pfas all their lives unbeknownst to them, aren't we all?

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 5>And that's to say nothing of microplastics. So what really

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 5>gets me about this is the government doesn't give a

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 5>toss And this is something without a doubt, There are

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 5>mountains of research on this now, without a doubt, is

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 5>affecting people's everyday health. But they might be, They might

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 5>be diagnosed with any number of issues and wouldn't think

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.040
<v Speaker 5>twice to blame it on pfas.

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 6>And even if they could make the link.

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 5>Who you're going to sue? Who you're going to sue?

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.280
<v Speaker 5>I mean, where the heck would you go for justice?

0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 5>And the fact that your health's been ruined for the

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 5>rest of your life, Well.

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Want to know what they do that once they filtered

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 4>it out, because you know, forever chemical rather implies that

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:12.239
<v Speaker 4>you can't.

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Get rid of it, So we.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Fever out of the water, and I mean we still

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:22.800
<v Speaker 4>have acceptable quote unquote levels of pfas allowed in drinking

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 4>water in Australia that is significantly higher than what the US.

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 5>Forty times higher than the acceptable level.

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The US have said no level is safe.

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.919
<v Speaker 4>It's the easiest thing that the government could turn around

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 4>and fix tomorrow, but they don't want to do it

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 4>because it would be such a difficult task to clean

0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 4>up the mess.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But we already have cases.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 4>You talk about compensation where the defense force has had

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 4>to compensate people for the runoff from firefighting equipment that's

0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 4>been used on defense bases with properties next to it,

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:57.879
<v Speaker 4>and people and ground their vegetables in the soil that's

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 4>been contaminated, et cetera. We already have compensation cases on

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.239
<v Speaker 4>the books and they will only continue to grow, particularly

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 4>I think if the federal government is and state government

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 4>a negligent in doing anything about it, because surely at

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 4>some point someone will stand up and run a class

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 4>action and say you knew the danger here and yet

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 4>you did nothing.

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's what did happen with three MS, So they

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<v Speaker 5>got some luck there.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to go to a break because we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers. But

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<v Speaker 3>before we go to the break, well done to the

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney Morning Herald pursuing that story. Don't get it change.

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<v Speaker 3>It would not have happened without the Sydney Morning Herald

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 3>and that report. And we're going to look at the

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<v Speaker 3>papers in just a moment. Let's take a look at

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 3>what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll start with the Herald's Son.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be familiar with the story of this convicted murderer

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 3>wanting IVF for there's been a development in that exclusive

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 3>vicious murderer ditches plan to leave maximum security prison for

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 3>fertility treatment after huge public backlash.

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<v Speaker 2>Pregnant Pause reads the headline.

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:02.919
<v Speaker 3>A brutal killer has abandoned plans to undergo IVF after

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<v Speaker 3>a huge community backlash over her bid to have a

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:10.479
<v Speaker 3>baby behind bars. Convicted murderer Alisha Schiller had been given

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 3>the NOD to be released from prison for treatment, but

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 3>has withdrawn her application. Sources have revealed now it's not

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 3>just the public outrage about this, but both Melbourne IVF

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 3>and Monash IVF, two of the main IVF providers in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 3>said they would not give her treatment and according to

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<v Speaker 3>the Act, they're able to do that because the circumstances

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<v Speaker 3>of the baby that will be created through IVF is

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<v Speaker 3>taken into consideration, as well as the safety and wellbeing

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<v Speaker 3>of other women in the IVF clinic who would find

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<v Speaker 3>themselves sitting next to a convictor murderer on day release

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<v Speaker 3>to get treatment. In addition to that, the killer's own

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<v Speaker 3>mother said she would not be looking after any child

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 3>born as a result of IVF treatment, and the cost

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<v Speaker 3>to taxpayers of raising a child in a prison would

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<v Speaker 3>just be extraordinary. So, with all of this backlash, this

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 3>woman has decided she's not going to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>What a lovely, community minded individual she must be. Let's

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 4>not forget she murdered a mother for fifty dollars right.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that this was even possible in the first

0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 4>place is outrageous. And as we talked about last week,

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.959
<v Speaker 4>the precedent that allowed this was a case about ten

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<v Speaker 4>years ago or a woman who'd been convicted of fraud

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 4>and was in a minimum security prison was allowed to

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<v Speaker 4>have IVF because she was already undergoing IVF before she

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 4>was locked up. Now, as far as I'm concerned, that

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 4>is an entirely different case to a woman who is

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 4>behind bars, who is a murderer who is in maximum

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 4>security prison who suddenly wakes up one day and decides

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 4>that she wants to undergo IVF. How on earth that

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 4>was allowed in the first place, I do not know,

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<v Speaker 4>And it just makes a mockery.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the justice system.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can from behind bars go off and become

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<v Speaker 4>a mother when there are so many other people in

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<v Speaker 4>the world who desperately wish they could become a man

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 4>and they can't afford IVR for whatever. But you're a prisoner,

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<v Speaker 4>Go feel life, Go feel I've got to point out

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<v Speaker 4>she can still change her mind and do it anytime

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 4>she wants this as her decision. She's still within her

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<v Speaker 4>rights legally to have this treatment if she decides to.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, I don't think it would work anyway. Having seen

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 5>the size of her. One of my friends had to

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<v Speaker 5>know genuinely, one of my friends, who was half this

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<v Speaker 5>woman's size, had to lose seven kilos in order for

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<v Speaker 5>the IVF people to actually do the treatment, because they said,

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.160
<v Speaker 5>your body's understressed, you need to lose a bit of weight.

0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 5>And once she'd lost seven kilos that's when they did

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 5>the IVF process.

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 6>So having seen the initial photos.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, I'm not sure this is actually going to.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway to the front page of the Odds Now return

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<v Speaker 5>to old skilled teaching method sends students results through the

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.280
<v Speaker 5>roof blower. So over where a feather a Catholic school

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 5>cluster go. The Catholics has shot to success in this

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:20.399
<v Speaker 5>year's nap Land results after abandoning failed teaching fads through

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 5>the nation's biggest experiment in the science of learning. What

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 5>is this radical change that they've made. Well here it

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 5>is teachers direct and closely monitor students learning, a reversal

0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 5>of the failed fad of student directed learning that expected

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<v Speaker 5>students to lead.

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<v Speaker 6>Their own learning journey.

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<v Speaker 5>Who the heck came up with that? What a pile

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 5>of cocker, mamie. I mean what kids are like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>so I will lad my own learning journey. They don't

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 5>even know what they're learning. Gets you've got to tell

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 5>them everything. At this age we're talking about primary school

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 5>aged kids. So hats off to the Catholics for going.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 5>You know what, We're going to give this a go,

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 5>so see how it goes. And look how quickly the

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 5>results shot through the roots. Amazing they're leading and the

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<v Speaker 5>act amazing.

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>And the story goes on to say that just a

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<v Speaker 4>quarter of the schools in the Act a Catholic, yet

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<v Speaker 4>they now make up two thirds of a car's list

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<v Speaker 4>of schools that outperformed others with a similar background on rental,

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 4>occupation and education, and that for years Catholic schools had

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.720
<v Speaker 4>underperformed until the Archdiocese of Canberra and gold And embraced

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 4>direct instruction also known as explicit teaching through the Catalyst

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 4>Project in twenty twenty. They have proven what needs to

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<v Speaker 4>be done to improve academic levels.

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Which lo and behold is what we were doing years ago.

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.959
<v Speaker 4>And thankfully this stuff is starting to come through now,

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, the phonics and all whatever. Right, what was

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 4>going on when I was at school and was wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I look, I turned out right. I think

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 4>some of you may disagree, but the numbers have just

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 4>been going down and down and down and down.

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<v Speaker 1>Fears.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we're beaten by bl Vietnam, for heaven's sake,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 4>in terms of mathematics, etc. So many nations that are

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 4>socioeconomically way lower than us have much better academic results

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 4>because we've been teaching wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Who would have thought My favorite part of this. How

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 2>did the Catholics do it? What's the secret?

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, they gave time for students to practice and repeat

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<v Speaker 3>concepts until they mastered them.

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>What an amazing concept called repetition.

0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 3>It's not sexy, but that's how you'll learn amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>Back to old school and look at that. Old school

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 6>is best.

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<v Speaker 5>Second splash on the front of the oars ALP's pick

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 5>workers or activists. This is about the salmon saga unfolding

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<v Speaker 5>in Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>The Australian Workers Union boss Paul Farrow has joined senior

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 5>Tasmanian labor figures in demanding that Environment Minister Tania Plebsk

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<v Speaker 5>end uncertainty for salmon workers and put their livelihoods ahead

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 5>of the quote exaggerated concerns of inner city activists and

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.359
<v Speaker 5>quote this is all about the preservation of the skatefish.

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<v Speaker 6>Have you seen that thing? It's so ugly.

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 5>Now it's salmon that generates hundreds of millions of dollars

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:16.759
<v Speaker 5>of revenue for Tasmania. It employs five one hundred people.

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<v Speaker 5>These guys have had the entire industry in Tasmania have

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 5>had this hanging over their head for twelve months already.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.160
<v Speaker 5>And this labor government says we'll let you know what

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<v Speaker 5>we decide after the election. I mean, how could you

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 5>Based on that alone, I'd be like, well, I'm voting

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 5>liberal then, because the Libs have already promised to overturn

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 5>whatever labor does if labor does anything, so I'm safe

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:48.120
<v Speaker 5>voting liberal. If I'm in the salmon industry in Tasmania period,

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 5>You're not even saving your votes by saying, oh, we'll

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:52.920
<v Speaker 5>leave it till after the election.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny what happens when you put a inner city

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:57.879
<v Speaker 3>MP in.

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<v Speaker 2>Charge of the environment.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:00.879
<v Speaker 3>The sort of result you get the same as when

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 3>you put someone who's in a seat with a high

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.400
<v Speaker 3>Muslim population in charge of immigration and home affairs. You

0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:08.399
<v Speaker 3>tend to get these interesting outcome back.

0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the more g and skate is good

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 1>eating or not.

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.879
<v Speaker 4>Maybe we could revive the more g and skate by

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<v Speaker 4>creating a farming industry in Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's test someone sounds particularly.

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Someone.

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 4>I want someone to catch one and tell me what

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 4>it's like. Maybe there's an industry there. Let's go to

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 4>the front of the inting news tomorrow where it says

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:32.320
<v Speaker 4>gas crisis threatens Aussie jobs, our looming gas shortfall threatens

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 4>tens of thousands of jobs, and our food security manufacturers

0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 4>warn makes everything from bricks to chemicals are paying as

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:41.879
<v Speaker 4>much as four times more for gas than in other

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 4>comparable nations. I mean, we just how can we be

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.239
<v Speaker 4>so energy rich. We've got uranium, we've got gas, we've

0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 4>got coal, and yet we pay through the nose for

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:57.320
<v Speaker 4>these products when the rest of the world is using

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:58.280
<v Speaker 4>them for next to nothing.

0:45:58.360 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>It makes like literally no sea.

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 3>It's called ideology, Caleb, and this country is full of it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go to a break.

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, will show you just how bad

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<v Speaker 3>shrink inflation is. Looking at quality street chocolate tins, you'll

0:46:11.520 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 3>be shocked at how they've changed over.

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<v Speaker 2>The last forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>And Oxford's Word of the Year has been announced. That's

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<v Speaker 3>coming up, mister mum. Well, you would have heard of

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 3>the term shrink flation to describe the fact that boxes

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 3>and packets of produce gets smaller and smaller, but we're

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 3>still paying the same amount or more.

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:32.280
<v Speaker 2>They reckon.

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 3>A picture tells a thousand words. Will Photographs of quality

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 3>street chocolate tins over the years have caused absolute outrage

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.720
<v Speaker 3>online as people realize just how much chocolate tins have shrunk.

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.800
<v Speaker 3>A look at this from nineteen eighty Wow, nineteen ninety

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 3>the Zeros and then now how those tins. I remember

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 3>when I was a kid and my nana in the

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 3>eighties would buy that.

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:55.839
<v Speaker 2>You can see how big it is.

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 3>You would take a handful of chocolates and you would

0:46:58.719 --> 0:46:59.720
<v Speaker 3>never be caught because.

0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>They never look at the tin.

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Now you can't even take two or three without getting caught.

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<v Speaker 3>That just demonstrates how much they have shrunk. And for

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 3>five hundred grams of chocolate at Coals for a box

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 3>thirty four dollars.

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 4>It's insane believe that thirty four dollars for I only

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 4>noticed this. Really, I don't eat a lot of chocolate,

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 4>but every time I.

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Go think, oh I have a little choky, and then I.

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Go and look at a box of Favorites, so it's

0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 4>like twenty dollars, Like where the hell did this come from?

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But you look at that.

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 4>The prices no, we're just discussing now, has not gone down.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean seriously, the amount of chocolates you can get

0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.439
<v Speaker 4>in one of those tins has gone backwards as fast

0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 4>as your hairline.

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>James like it is.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 4>It is really incredible too far.

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I had to, I had to get it in there going.

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, those tins used to be able to

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 2>put a whole lot of stuff in them.

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 4>Now it's like, I know, I know, remember remember those

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 4>those short reread biscuit tins and like man, they would

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.239
<v Speaker 4>always have the sewing equipment in the sets. Still happened now,

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 4>I just that distinctly is a child before we go.

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<v Speaker 1>The Oxford Word of the Year is brain rot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the definition the supposed deterioration of a person's mental

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 4>or intellectual state as the result of over consumption of

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:15.760
<v Speaker 4>material considered to be trivial around challenging. Now, a brain

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 4>rot is usually used to refer to online memes that

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:25.719
<v Speaker 4>basically make no sense whatsoever. It's very hard to describe

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 4>exactly what brain rod is because it does literally rot

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 4>your brain. Most of what you find on TikTok would

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 4>qualify as brain rot. But if you are curious and

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 4>you don't know what I'm talking about, look up a

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 4>thing called skibberty toilet s k I b id toilet

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:47.240
<v Speaker 4>and it's literally it's like an animation of a man's

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 4>head coming out of a toilet and then singing some

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 4>weird songs.

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>But this is what the kids scroll on.

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 3>I've never heard of that until Senator Fatimah payment used in.

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<v Speaker 2>A speed that's talk about brain rot. Yes, break to

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian Senate. Talk to Senator Payment. She can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you all about skibbity riz.

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<v Speaker 1>And all this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all we got time for stick around. Coming up

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<v Speaker 3>is the Reader Penalty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Good night