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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Lando Norris scores a decisive victory at

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Speaker 1: the Austrian Grand Prix to reduce his title devicit to

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Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri, and after another disappointing result for Alpine, is

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Speaker 1: yet another driver change on the cards. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lomonado. It's great to have your company and the

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Speaker 1: company of my co host. He's just got off the

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Speaker 1: phone with Flavio Briatore something about a drive after the

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Speaker 1: mid season break. It's Matt Payton.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm a little bit busy, but I could probably

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Speaker 2: squeeze five races in because that tends to be what

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Speaker 2: most drivers at Alpine get. So I'll be done just

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Speaker 2: in time for us to head to I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Katar or something. It's a bit hot there, so I'm

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Speaker 2: to drive there. But I'll do my best in my

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Speaker 2: five races and then pass the baton onto somebody else.

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Speaker 2: That seems to be the way it's going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who says there's no certainty at Alpine? You know,

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Speaker 1: you get five races and you're done. It's just the

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Speaker 1: way it is. We will talk about the situation at

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Speaker 1: Alpine a little bit later on, and of course at

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Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing, where nothing's changed and that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with Lando Norris winning the OS and

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix. It was the rebound he needed after the

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Speaker 1: catastrophe in Canada, and he dominated from start to finish

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Speaker 1: except FP one, which he did not enter, but all

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Speaker 1: of the practice sessions is he had FP two, FP

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Speaker 1: three top. There are all three qualifying segments, biggest pole

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Speaker 1: margin of the season, victory over teammatee Oscar Piastre, including

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Speaker 1: some genuine wheel to wheel battling in the first stint

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Speaker 1: at least, does it feel like to you, Matt Lando

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Speaker 1: Norris's back, is there is this another false dawn like

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Speaker 1: the Monaco example.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Either of those questions could be yes

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Speaker 2: or no. I guess I think firstly, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: welcome you to the start of the second half of

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Speaker 2: the Formula one season two races early because I feel

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Speaker 2: that McLaren being in their own category at the front

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Speaker 2: of Grand Prix, particularly with a real change looming for

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Speaker 2: twenty six and all of the developmental taps being turned off,

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Speaker 2: a term we're going to hear quite a bit I

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Speaker 2: feel that we're going to have a lot more racist

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Speaker 2: like this, where it's too McLaren's in one race and

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Speaker 2: everybody else in another one. But to my mind, this

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Speaker 2: was a win that Norris had to have in the

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Speaker 2: manner that he had it because of what had happened

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Speaker 2: in Canada, the fact that he put his hand up,

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Speaker 2: the fact that he had lost wouldn't say control, certainly

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Speaker 2: lost momentum within his own team, and in the championship fight,

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Speaker 2: he needed to win a race. He needed to win

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Speaker 2: a race like this, and I think if this championship

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Speaker 2: battle is going to run and run for the remainder

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Speaker 2: of the season, which given that it seems to be

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Speaker 2: a two car championship now I think is going to happen,

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Speaker 2: he had to have this. We did foreshadow this in

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Speaker 2: last week's preview episode that this has been a particularly

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Speaker 2: good track for him, and even when McLaren wasn't particularly good,

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Speaker 2: he was quite good here. So the manner in which

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Speaker 2: he won on the weekend was impressive, probably not a

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Speaker 2: massive surprise. I guess we'll never really know how the

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Speaker 2: race might have played out differently, or at least the

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Speaker 2: battle for pole, because of how compromise. Q three was,

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Speaker 2: but given he'd had some sort of ropie races and

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Speaker 2: there'd been some questions about his championship bona fides, I

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Speaker 2: think this is a win he had to have, and

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Speaker 2: the way he did it was very impressive. Whether Oscar

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Speaker 2: Piastri had a pole position lap in him, we're never

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Speaker 2: going to because of what happened in Q three, you

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Speaker 2: would say unlikely, But we also know that Piastre is

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Speaker 2: a guy who rises to the occasion when the stakes

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Speaker 2: are at their higher, So it was a shame we

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Speaker 2: never really got a definitive answer to that. But the

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Speaker 2: first into the race, it was great that they allowed

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Speaker 2: them to race because it was very compelling tov, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really made up for what otherwise

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Speaker 1: would have been very really quite streadfulard domination. So it

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Speaker 1: was an entertaining race. Once Osco Piastri got into second place,

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Speaker 1: you do wonder, how do you even at least qualified

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Speaker 1: been because he made a passed straight off the line. Okay,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been the same pass, but to have been

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Speaker 1: beyond doubt because not only have we seen so many examples,

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Speaker 1: McLaren's proved that, yes, they are going to be free

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Speaker 1: going to manage it fine, and there's going to be

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Speaker 1: no issues or controversies. I feel like they passed a

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Speaker 1: and obviously the team will be hoping they never have

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Speaker 1: to be asked. The question is when they genuinely crash

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Speaker 1: a clumsy era like was in the case in Canada

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Speaker 1: with Lando Norris. But they are sticking to their guns,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's really interesting. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: and find full radio communications, but every driver communicates with

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Speaker 1: the engineers differently. But I find it really interesting how

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Speaker 1: much Lando Norris in particular, But it is happening to

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Speaker 1: Oscar to a lesser extent is being motivated to compete

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Speaker 1: with the other car in a way that as if

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Speaker 1: the other car were from a different team. Obviously they

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Speaker 1: know that they're their chief championship rival, so it's not unusual,

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Speaker 1: it's not too strange, but it's just really interesting that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the further we get into this season, the

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Speaker 1: clear it's become that McLaren knew ahead of the year

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Speaker 1: that this was the likely outcome. Where all the down

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Speaker 1: talking every team does when they know they've got a

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Speaker 1: dominant car, and they feel really prepared to let these

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Speaker 1: there's another interesting chapter in that because they went very far,

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Speaker 2: Which is commendable and again easier to do when you're

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Speaker 2: at this stage McLaren's going to win the constructors Championship.

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Speaker 2: For most teams, that's exactly what they want, and so

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Speaker 2: the identity of the driver who wins it is probably

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Speaker 2: a bit of a secondary consideration. What you said then

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Speaker 2: so fair strategically, I think between the two drivers in

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Speaker 2: And is that a strategic option you take if the

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Speaker 2: it's is a strange contrast here in that, yes, they

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Speaker 2: get an advantageous strategy or doing something different. There's this

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Speaker 2: fairness they're trying to operate and it's commendable and it

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Speaker 2: looks great when it's written down a piece of paper.

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Speaker 2: But as you just said, then we've got, however many rounds,

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Speaker 2: We've got to go a lot and there is inevitably

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Speaker 2: going to be some contact because this is what happens

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Speaker 2: in world championships with two strong race winning drivers in

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Speaker 2: Hamilton and Nico Rosberg ran into each other on a

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Speaker 2: number of occasions. Now only a Mercedes driver was going

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Speaker 2: to twenty fourteen. Daniel Rocado's winning Belgium that year vowed

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Speaker 2: itself to the fact that the Mercedes ran into each

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Speaker 2: I don't think Mercedes are going to win every race

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Speaker 2: how long this concept of fairness and team play and

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Speaker 2: everything else lasts It will depend on how many other

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Speaker 2: I think the championships out of the question now, but

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Speaker 2: we've got so much of this season still to go,

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Speaker 2: so this story could still change two or three times

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Speaker 2: picking when that's going to twist and what the inflection

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Speaker 2: interesting in a series where on pace performance alone, I

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Speaker 2: think Austria showed us that this really is a one team,

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Speaker 2: But given you've got this looming regulation set change for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, I think it's just escalate that even more.

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Speaker 1: You think, I think so, And I think that it's

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Speaker 1: of the seasons to go, It feels like we've already

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Speaker 1: lived more than half of the season. With the momentum

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Speaker 1: the prospect of maybe that won't change and maybe this

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Speaker 1: simply be much more even between them. But with so

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Speaker 1: reassess or recontextualize the fact that there's there is so

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Speaker 1: much potential for changes. You say the strategy thing just

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Speaker 1: before you move on, I think is really interesting because

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Speaker 1: I was trying to think back, and I've gone done

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Speaker 1: a little bit of reading to remind myself, because it's

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Speaker 1: alarming that it was a decade ago now when Mercedes

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Speaker 1: his turbo hybrid era. It would always come to a

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Speaker 1: point where they'd also let each side of the garage

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Speaker 1: strategize their own way through races. Yes, like really it

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Speaker 1: was almost as though there were two separate teams, which

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Speaker 1: ultimately ended up being to the detriment of harmony. Anyone

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Speaker 1: who remembers twenty sixteen, as I've alluded to, their un

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Speaker 1: to the point where Tota Wolf swapped all the engineers

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Speaker 1: and mechanics between cars to try and detox the team,

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Speaker 1: if you like. But I wonder when that when McLaren

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Speaker 1: will feel comfortable allowing that to happen, because that four

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Speaker 1: lap op set is minimal strategy difference, right, it is

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Speaker 1: still a little bit because it meant the drivers are

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Speaker 1: doing slightly different things in middle stint. But I wonder

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Speaker 1: how many points behind is max with staff and have

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Speaker 1: to be in third place before McLaren is willing to

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Speaker 1: allow its drivers to do their own thing because it's

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Speaker 1: so clearly a one on one championship. But I don't

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Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be a post mid season break thing, assuming

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Speaker 2: so oh we might find something next year, or we

432
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Speaker 2: could change the driver and it's all fine. There's a

433
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Speaker 2: lot of trying to speak optimism into existence right now

434
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 2: when you're looking at twenty six, because yeah, there's spinning

435
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Speaker 2: a lot of plates for next year with a new

436
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 2: engine partner, and there's a lot of change. As it

437
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Speaker 2: is when you've got a second car that, no matter

438
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Speaker 2: who drives it, contributes absolutely nothing, and then when you've

439
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 2: got races like this that it just exposes the problem. Yeah,

440
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of unanswered questions there, and

441
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,719
Speaker 2: you've always got this is Max leaving? Is Max going

442
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 2: to retire young? Is Max going to move to Mercedes?

443
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: There's so much being placed upon him and about you.

444
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 2: I think I never underrated Max Forstappan as a driver.

445
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's won four World championships. He's clearly

446
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,560
Speaker 2: excellent at driving a Formula WLDE car. We've had a

447
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: lot of evidence of that over a long period of time.

448
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Speaker 2: I'm actually respecting a lot more what he's doing this year,

449
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 2: simply because the car is clearly very difficult and he's

450
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 2: just swimming upstream against the current every single weekend to

451
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Speaker 2: try and get into a position to do anything. There's

452
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Speaker 2: a bloody mindedness and a determination that is commendable with

453
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Speaker 2: the way he's going about it. But it also feels

454
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Speaker 2: like at some point the courage is just going to

455
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Speaker 2: take him down stream when he can't keep swimming back

456
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Speaker 2: up again. It's got a little bit of a feeling

457
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Speaker 2: of that, whether it's being taken out unluckily on the

458
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Speaker 2: first lap of a race, or they'll just come a

459
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Speaker 2: point where the car just doesn't work and he's doing

460
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Speaker 2: everything in his power to finish sixth Somewhere. That's going

461
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Speaker 2: to be the period where you know they're in trouble now,

462
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Speaker 2: that they could be in serious trouble for next year,

463
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Speaker 2: because if I had to frame a market on who

464
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Speaker 2: do I trust to get a new regulation set right

465
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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six, Red Bull aren't at the top

466
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Speaker 2: for me, and they might not even be in the

467
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Speaker 2: top two or three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a fair call. It's the

469
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Speaker 1: great mystery of the regulation change, particular ones that are

470
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Speaker 1: so big and include a power unit and red Will

471
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Speaker 1: Racing speret inhouse power. It's interesting situation. Just before we

472
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Speaker 1: move on, Matt red Bill scored twenty scored nineteen points

473
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Speaker 1: in the last three races. Sober has scored twenty.

474
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you wrote this down that Saber has

475
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Speaker 2: outscored every team except for McLaren Ferrari m Mercedes over

476
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Speaker 2: the last three Grand Prix. So I'm glad you've bought

477
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 2: sober up. Hat tip to them. Also on my list

478
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: because we needed to talk about Liam laws and we've

479
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Speaker 2: done that. Gabrielle brought a letto. He's looking quite good,

480
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Speaker 2: isn't he.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Finally, I mean imagine this, Matt. Imagine a team

482
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Speaker 1: in Formula one giving a rookie more than five to

483
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Speaker 1: six races to prove they belong in Formula one.

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Speaker 2: What do you try to That's ridiculous talk from you, Lemonado,

485
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Speaker 2: What are you talking about.

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Speaker 1: Let's move to Move of the Week, brought to you

487
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Speaker 1: by Shannon's Formula One and Moto GP in action over

488
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Speaker 1: the course of the weekend. I'm going to kick us

489
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Speaker 1: off today. I'm going to go with the Austrian Grand Prix.

490
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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it pretty straightforward though, because I

491
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Speaker 1: thought this was a great move with a great bit

492
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Speaker 1: of context behind it, which was what technically Lando Norris's

493
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Speaker 1: overtake for the lead. I think it was on a

494
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 1: lap eleven after Piastri had briefly taken it from him

495
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Speaker 1: at turn three. He played the more clever tactical game,

496
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Speaker 1: which is something that I feel like we've struggled to

497
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Speaker 1: say about him almost ever. To be fair, he's only

498
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Speaker 1: been in a race winning circumstance for a year or so,

499
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Speaker 1: but particularly in the in contrast with last year when

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Speaker 1: he was battling with Max Withstappen for the lead, and

501
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Speaker 1: while the crash was Max's fault, there's no denying that

502
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Speaker 1: in the sense of him not winning the race with

503
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Speaker 1: a car that at the place to do it, I

504
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Speaker 1: think Lando was guilty of just being too blunt of

505
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Speaker 1: an instrument, of not really understanding the tactics of racing

506
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Speaker 1: at this circuit that is unique three to our s zones.

507
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Speaker 1: I think it's seventy percent of the track whatever it is,

508
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Speaker 1: A lot of the track is dominated by drs. It

509
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Speaker 1: is a certain way of racing. This year, he got

510
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Speaker 1: it absolutely right when Oscar made the move up into

511
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Speaker 1: turn three, understood how he could fight back from that,

512
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Speaker 1: and he did exactly that. You know, because had he

513
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Speaker 1: not done that, Oscar had taken the lead. I think

514
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Speaker 1: it would have been pretty easy to imagine a Constants

515
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Speaker 1: in which he just then controls the race there after

516
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Speaker 1: and he's not seen again or fundamentally, so a really

517
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Speaker 1: important overtake, one that shows that he is developing. When

518
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Speaker 1: I think earlier this year it's been easy to say

519
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Speaker 1: maybe he hasn't been particularly in a racecraft sense, which

520
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Speaker 1: I think is a weakness reality of tu Oscar. So

521
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Speaker 1: I think that made this victory just that a little

522
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Speaker 1: bit more important, regardless of the bounce back from Canada,

523
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Speaker 1: the points, all that stuff proving that he's made progress

524
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Speaker 1: and he's doing it against his teammates, equal machinery, all

525
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I thought it was a really

526
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Speaker 1: important overtakes. That's my move of the week.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly more important. You know that, the context and

528
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Speaker 2: what it means, and even the fact of where it

529
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Speaker 2: was because of Austria last year. I think they're all

530
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Speaker 2: very good points. And I'll also give you an extra

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Speaker 2: golf clap for use of blunt instrument because it's the

532
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Speaker 2: for anyone playing lemonato bingo at home. You can cross

533
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Speaker 2: that one off.

534
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Speaker 1: All right, what do you got for us about?

535
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Speaker 2: Well, I sort of in one of those uncharitable moods today,

536
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Speaker 2: so I'm just going to let this one fly. I'm

537
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Speaker 2: saying move of the Week was Kimmie Antonelli taking Max

538
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Speaker 2: for staff and out at seven three on the opening

539
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Speaker 2: lab simply because Michael, simply because it exposed the red

540
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: Bull driver pipeline for what it is, basically a car crash,

541
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Speaker 2: making us more aware of something that's actually a car

542
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Speaker 2: craw So that's why I'm giving Kimmy Antonelli Move of

543
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: the Week because it brought something into plain view that

544
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Speaker 2: we all know that we all talk around the edges

545
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: from time to time, and then what happened in the

546
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Speaker 2: subsequent sixty nine and three quarter lapse of that race

547
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 2: just expose that driver pipeline for what it is.

548
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Speaker 1: Yes, I like it. I like a lot where you've

549
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Speaker 1: taken that and like I said, move of the Week

550
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Speaker 1: does not imply success, does not even imply and overtake,

551
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: so perfectly happy for that loophole to be exploited. There's

552
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Speaker 1: one other team I want to talk about, Matt in

553
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Speaker 1: summing up the Austrian Grand Prix, and that's Alpine Alpine,

554
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: which is owned by Reno, one of the biggest car

555
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: companies in the world, also partially owned by the French state.

556
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Speaker 1: Some people don't know that it's last in the Constructors Championship.

557
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: It's scored just eleven points. That's less than half the

558
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Speaker 1: total of Sauba, which is on a great run. Now

559
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Speaker 1: looking at this race, Pierre Gasly qualified in the top ten,

560
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Speaker 1: just tenth after he spent out the last warning, but

561
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Speaker 1: unth less top ten. Franco Colobindo qualified in Q two's

562
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Speaker 1: that's okay, that's fine, talk about him in a second

563
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: as well, but failed to score. Both cars just went

564
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Speaker 1: backwards through this race, and that's indicted well, not only

565
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: because the cars went backwards, but this is a race

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Speaker 1: in which only five of the front runners scored points.

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Speaker 1: Two of them. Of course, will wiped out and Yuki

568
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: Snoda was never at the races and both Williams cars,

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Speaker 1: I think this is almost the more important part. They

570
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Speaker 1: both retired in what's turning into a pretty horrendous mid

571
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Speaker 1: season runner reliability for the team that looked pretty locked

572
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Speaker 1: on for fifth in a Constructors champion twenty a few

573
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. That should have been easy pickings for a

574
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Speaker 1: team like Elpaine that had qualified again with one kind

575
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Speaker 1: of the top ten, but it was South that got

576
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Speaker 1: both cars into the points and good with them, but

577
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Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear the language coming out of the

578
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Speaker 1: team now Flaveerberatore, and it's up to you how you

579
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: want to interpret all of the words, but it's called

580
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Speaker 1: it increasingly concerning you, he said, and this was after

581
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Speaker 1: on Saturday he said he was disappointed by Franco Colobinda

582
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Speaker 1: not getting into the top ten, that he needs both

583
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Speaker 1: cars to be there. Someone I assumably told him afterwards

584
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Speaker 1: that he's only been in the car for five races

585
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Speaker 1: to help him. But nonetheless, this is a team that's

586
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Speaker 1: looking pretty shaky. And then there are reports on Monday,

587
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Speaker 1: and I think this is where things start to get

588
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: increasingly bizarre or highlights the chaos. That the teams are

589
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Speaker 1: talking to valtri Botas or Mercedes to try and get

590
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Speaker 1: the services of Volti Botas, not just for next year,

591
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Speaker 1: but for this year.

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Speaker 2: What on earth is going on now? I mean, it's

593
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Speaker 2: the way you set that up earlier, and that you

594
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Speaker 2: were talking about the context of what Alpine has done,

595
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Speaker 2: and that Souber given the resource and the budget and

596
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Speaker 2: the fact they run very very garish green cars that

597
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: look like they don't belong in Formula one, the fact

598
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Speaker 2: that they're comprehensively outperforming a team that is partially owned

599
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Speaker 2: by the French state. I mean, put that together as

600
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Speaker 2: a sentence, that doesn't make sense. It's absolutely crazy. What

601
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Speaker 2: is not going on there. It just seems it seems reactionary,

602
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: it seems rudderless, it seems there's just there's almost an

603
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Speaker 2: inevitability now when you wat them that you just expect

604
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: it to be no good. And part of that, I

605
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: think is that it's talking about other drivers whose stocks

606
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: and reputation are probably up this year. Pierre Gastly's driving

607
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: very very well at the moment, and oh he used

608
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: to drive a red bull racing remember that. But he's

609
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: another guy who's been rehabilitated and gone off somewhere else

610
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: and made a very good Formula One career for himself.

611
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: I don't think that the problem is what he is

612
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: doing necessarily. It just seems very haphazard. It seems even

613
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: coming into this season, when you're a works outfit and

614
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: you've made the decision to shut your own engine program down,

615
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: even things like that at the start of the season,

616
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: it's like, what are we actually doing here? And it's

617
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: highlighted by Williams having this really strong start to the season. Yes,

618
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: things have nosed dive pretty spectacularly since, but they have

619
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: made what I believe is the very sensible decision to

620
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: if we had a stable rule set for twenty twenty six,

621
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: I think Williams would have pushed on and really and

622
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: really taken that early season momentum and run with it.

623
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Speaker 2: They're making the sensible decision. It's like, Okay, good, we

624
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: can build a good car, we can do good things.

625
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: Let's do that when everything changes then, so they're going

626
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: to clearly tail off what Sauba doing at the moment

627
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: is it's a product of stability and slight evolution and execution.

628
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: It feels like Sauber get a lot of things right

629
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: on race weekends at the moment, and these are the

630
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 2: areas to me that Alpine is always left falling short.

631
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: And then you've got the driver instability, and you know

632
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 2: Jack doing at the start of the season refusing to

633
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: answer questions about his future because he and we all

634
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: knew exactly where that was going. And then Franco Colopinto

635
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: comes in and he scores precisely the same number of

636
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: points as Jack doing over his five races in the car,

637
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: and the whole thing is completely chaotic. But you mentioned

638
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: Valterie Botas. This is really interesting for me because yes,

639
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: there's a Mercedes power plant going into that car for

640
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, but of course Botas has already been

641
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: discussed in potentially being a Cadillac driver for next season.

642
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: That's an interesting conundrum, isn't it, Because you've got a

643
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: team that operationally and stability and management wise is a

644
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: bit of a mess and our plane has been for

645
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: a while. They're going to have an engine that I

646
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: would almost put the house on is probably going to

647
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: be the best engine in Formula One next year in

648
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six with a Mercedes engine. So there's a

649
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: known quantity in terms of management and potentially engine, and

650
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: he's also driven Mercedes powered cars a lot in his career.

651
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: Or is the potential of a startup getting on the

652
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: ground floor base camp Cadillac operation with a Ferrari power plant,

653
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: which is more probably of an unknown than Mercedes. You'd

654
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: have to say the fact that Valsi Botas has potentially

655
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: got two options is two more options than we probably

656
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: thought he'd have to get back on the grid. But

657
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: if he does have two options, there's no easy answer

658
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: to that is there because there's compelling cases for both.

659
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: I don't think either of them are wrong, but one

660
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: of them is going to be more right.

661
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, because it's just funny that

662
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: there's a choice at all. Forether of these drivers, I

663
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: mean their fortunately Cadillac's coming in. Otherwise all of this

664
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Speaker 1: could be Bizarren. We shouldn't forget that. Alpines also farming

665
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: out paul aarro On. It's reserve driver at a Saber

666
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of FP one sessions before the mid

667
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: season break, plus three it's got planned for later in

668
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: the year and he's potentially in the frame, you know,

669
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: as a contingency at a minimum. So that's sort of

670
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: interesting in its own right. But let me sell you

671
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: alp in two different ways.

672
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this.

673
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: One is the Renault owned works manufacturer Alpe know it

674
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: is Reno by another name. It's just a different color

675
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: with a great history of championship winning success. B it's

676
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: the independent team that's going to finish the last in

677
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: the Constructors Championship with less than half the points of

678
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 1: the team that was last last year. Because that's what

679
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: it is. Next year, it's owned by a big company,

680
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: but it will no longer be a works team. It's

681
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: a team that fields, like with the exception of Flavio

682
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: Brittorio has a remit to report to the board at

683
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: Reno or the CEO who's now leaving the team, so

684
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: that throws that into uncertainty on a different level. Feels

685
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: like it's at arm's length from the works team anyway,

686
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: certainly different from Ferrari is an example, different even to Mercedes, which,

687
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: even though Mercedes only owns a third of the Mercedes

688
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: F one team, the collaboration is close and historical and

689
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: likewise with the engine component of that team. Cadillac, on

690
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: the other hand, yeah, it's running Ferrari customer engines next year.

691
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone expects them to do great things

692
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: even in the first few years, but will be a

693
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: real works team later eventually. So there's something there. I

694
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: think you can you could you know if you were

695
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: a Cadillac at least you're Mari Andrettie talking to Valdri

696
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Botas or Sergio Peris, because he's been rumored to be

697
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: linked to Alpine as well. I think that's gone pretty

698
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: cold recently. I think the pitch is probably easier to

699
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: make for Cadillac, because then you've got to add in

700
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Speaker 1: the fact that I think Cadillac is going to be

701
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: certain inn F one for a minimum and a long

702
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: amount of time, right, Like the minimum time is going

703
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: to be long because you don't make this kind of

704
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: investment and then leaving three ys, it's not going to happen.

705
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Alpine's future to me looks pretty uncertain because, like I said,

706
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the CEO is left unexpected, he's got a job elsewhere,

707
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: and he's always insisted the team's not for sale. But

708
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: like you said, they've shouted their engine division. A lot

709
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: of the moves they've made looks like a team that

710
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: wants to be sold. And more important that we don't

711
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: know what the next CEO's opinion is going to be,

712
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: regardless of the fact the team has denied consistently that

713
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: they're up for sale and so far they haven't been sold.

714
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: They've been right. There is a new CEO arriving. We

715
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: don't know who it's going to be. We don't know

716
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: what their opinion on the Formula one program is going

717
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: to be, and the massive expense of that it could

718
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: be sold, it could be closed. We don't know. So

719
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a Valtriebot has not looking for

720
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: a one year deal just to prove you could get

721
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: back in F one. He's looking for a couple of

722
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Speaker 1: years at least. The team could cease to exist in

723
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: that time. I think, actually it's a big question. I'm

724
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: not saying you should definitely not choose Alpine because it

725
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: could be a root of the grid in as little

726
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: as two weeks, who knows, But I think the question

727
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: of the long term is a much bigger one than

728
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: you would have thought, maybe even twelve months ago. Yeah.

729
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And the other parts of this too is there's

730
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: an expectation management element to all of this because of

731
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: Alpine's name, and it's you know, it's longevity in the

732
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: sport and what have you. Anything that Botas would do

733
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: in Cadillac. There's that sort of underpromise over deliver, like

734
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: no one's expecting Botas to come in and all of

735
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: a sudden being Q three in next year. Fantastic if

736
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: it happens. So every result that Cadillac get next year,

737
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: it'll be well, they're a startup there and youw team,

738
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: haven't they done well? You know, one of their cars

739
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: just MISQ three that was excellent. What about that really

740
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: good twelfth that Valteri Botas got in Bahrain or something.

741
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: Whereas if you go to alp and it's got a

742
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: Mercedes in the back of it and you're finishing twelfth,

743
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: it's a disaster and the world is on fire. So

744
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: the same results could happen but be interpreted two very

745
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: very different ways, simply based on where these two teams

746
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: and entities are in their Formula one journeys. If you're

747
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: looking for a longer runway and perhaps longevity and the sport,

748
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: if you're Valterie Botas, you'd probably be going to Cadillac

749
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: because everything that you do that's positive is going to

750
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: be celebrated far more than well, that was positive what

751
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: you did at alp But why wasn't it more positive

752
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: because your Alpene you should be doing better than this.

753
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: So look, the Mercedes power plant is a pretty big

754
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: character dangle in front of somebody in particularly because he

755
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: knows how that company works. But I'm with you, like

756
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: the whole thing with Alpine, is in any other business,

757
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: any other sort of to sport business or sport business

758
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: or just business per se, with the amount of decisions

759
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: that have gone on behind the scenes there. It feels

760
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: like something that is being prepared to be sold despite

761
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: the denials to the country. And it's felt like that

762
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: for a while. And you and I know that if

763
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: you woke up tomorrow morning, look at your phone, it's like, oh,

764
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: do you hear al Peina pulling out of Formula one?

765
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: You'd go wow, But then you'd go, well, yeah, okay,

766
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: that makes complete sense, whereas I don't think Cadillac are

767
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: going to go, look, we've done all this prap, we

768
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: we've spent all this buddey, we've hired all these people.

769
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: But no, thanks, we don't want to do that. And

770
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 2: that's a key difference between these two teams. So look,

771
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: hoay fa valtrie Botouse. He's got choices. Certainly we didn't

772
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: expect that. But I wonder if the incumbent team, with

773
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: the history that Alpine's got, is actually going to be

774
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: seen as the worst of the two choices for whoever

775
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: takes that seat.

776
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is pretty remarkable. Just quickly. It's just reminds

777
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: us speaking of a colleague and different podcasts. Actually, and

778
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: he put it to me like this, and I really

779
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: liked it. First, I thought it was just a brutal

780
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: bit of commentary, but I think actually it sums up

781
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: is that Alpine Alping is not at the bottom yet.

782
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the most alarming part, because they're not.

783
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: If you look at their structure of Alpine and I

784
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: know that part of the biggest problems. They don't have

785
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: a team principle at the moment. But you can't tell

786
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: me that that is the structure the senior managers. Who

787
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: is going to take this team to success. Maybe, look,

788
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: you people have different opinions on flav bet Or. I

789
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: get it, but he's not there for the long term.

790
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: He's already pretty old. He's got some old school ideas

791
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: clearly on how they run the team, and I just

792
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: don't see it being I just don't see, you know,

793
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: the next time Alpine wins a race, you know, purely

794
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: on merit is in Bodihuim contention, I can't see him

795
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: being there going, oh well, I've I'm sure he will

796
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: say it was all up to him, but I can't

797
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: see him being there as the one who orchestrated at all.

798
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: They don't have a team principal. Technical leadership has changed

799
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: a lot in recent years, it doesn't feel like they're

800
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: at and by rock bottom. I don't just mean they

801
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: potentially could get worse, but I mean they're not at

802
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: base camp. I think maybe he's a more clear way

803
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: to say, they're not at that point where you can

804
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: see the route to the top yet, whereas with Cadillac

805
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: they are at they're at the start of thing. You know,

806
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: we don't know when they'll ever win a race or a

807
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: championship away, it's impossible to say, but they are at

808
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the start of something. Everything Valtrie does that's good there

809
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: would have contributed to the foundations of the team or

810
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: any driver who goes there. I just thought it was

811
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: very interesting to think about the idea that helping is

812
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: still further to go.

813
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: No, you're right, Cadillacs at the start of something and

814
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Alpine might not be at the end of something else.

815
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: And that's that's the easiest way to describe it at

816
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: the moment. But the interesting choice for botasid all of this,

817
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: because clearly he's not a guy who's going to be

818
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: driving forever in a day. Either is there's a brand

819
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: association AMBASSADORI or you can hit your you can hit

820
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: yourself to a project that's got instant credibility and gravitas

821
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: as you go forward, as opposed to something that, like

822
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: I said, if you wake up tomorrow morning and the

823
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: whole thing was in the bin, you wouldn't be surprised

824
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: with Alpine. So yeah, there's more than just driving to

825
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: consider with these sorts of things. And you know, all

826
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: these guys of someone of his reputation and the ILK

827
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: and Grand Prix winning experience has made enough cash at

828
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: this point, so it's not just about that either. So yeah,

829
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: it's certainly interesting. And you know the question there is

830
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: if he ends up taking the Alpine seat, then who's

831
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: in the frame for Cadillac or vice versa, Because yeah,

832
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: like you were saying, Alpine's got about six hundred reserve drivers,

833
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: they might all get three races each before the end

834
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: of the year.

835
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: All Right, that was the Austrian Grand Prix and a

836
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: little bit of that news that's come out since then

837
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: the British Grand Prixx this weekend, so you don't have

838
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: to wait long for more Formula one. But let's have

839
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: a crack at thinking looking at what's going to be

840
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: happening with the Crystal Ball. Brought to you by complete

841
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: home filtration. Matt, would you like to start us off?

842
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: What are you? What's in your forecast? Now?

843
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Look, if you don't blow your own trumpet in this

844
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: mic where no one's going to So I'm just going

845
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: to remind you and everyone listening that I actually picked

846
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: Lando Norris to win the Austrian Grand Prix, so good

847
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: victory that for me. I'm only going to mention these

848
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: things when I get them right. You'll never hear me

849
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: mention it when I don't. But my crystal ball this

850
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: week has been fitted with a very impressive square jaw

851
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: line in honor of Mark Weber. Obviously, Mark Webber of

852
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: course banishes Oscar Pastre and Mark Webber was as good

853
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: at his home grownd pri as Jensen Button was at

854
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: his home Grand Prix, and that Jensen Button would always

855
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: win in Australia. Mark Webber won several times at Silveston,

856
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: and both of them never fired a shot at their

857
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: home Grand Prix, which is a very long way of

858
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Speaker 2: saying that the British McLaren driver is not going to

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Speaker 2: win at Silveston this weekend. Oscar Piastre is so Sky

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Speaker 2: Sports can put the pomp Poms back in the box

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Speaker 2: Bristol and Glastonbury tetowls flying at half masted over Silveston

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Speaker 2: this weekend. I think we're going to see an Australian

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Speaker 2: winning at Silverston, and I think Oscar Piastre is going

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Speaker 2: to bounce back and take victory.

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Speaker 1: I like it a lot. I like it a lot.

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Speaker 1: My prediction. My Crystal Ball tell me some really specific things, though,

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Speaker 1: I think might tally well with yours. I think we're

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Speaker 1: going to hear a record number in the broadcast of

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Speaker 1: the plural third person possessive determiner, a lot of our George's,

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Speaker 1: our allies, our Lewis, depending on how he's performing, our

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Speaker 1: Alex otherwise he's from Thailand. Yes, and of course I'm

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Speaker 1: going to hear a lot about our nine and our Damon.

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Speaker 1: I bet they're going to be there. Ian's also tally

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Speaker 1: when I think I'm going to be spot on with

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Speaker 1: this one. The Crystal World's telling me that the Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton's honorific of sir is going to be wheeled out

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. Oh yes, Sir Lewis Helenon Ferrari hasn't.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard it in a while, but if it's

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Speaker 1: ever going to happen. It's going to be at the

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Speaker 1: British Grand Prix, which Matt, I'm sure you'll be reminded

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Speaker 1: many times, is the first Grand Prix. It's coming home

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Speaker 1: former World War air field and you know Sterling Moss,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Can we take the listeners behind the curtains slightly here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to completely reveal all the contents of this,

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Speaker 2: but I do believe that I still haven't saved in

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Speaker 2: my phone somewhere that you made a Bingo card of

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Speaker 2: things that will be said on the commentary during the

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Speaker 2: British Grand Prix. We should post it somewhere if we

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Speaker 2: don't get ourselves sacked in the meantime. But I think

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Speaker 2: I had the whole Bingo card filled out by like

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Speaker 2: the first ten minutes of FP two a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago. So all the old ones are going to

894
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: come out, but the use of our is going to

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Speaker 2: be absolutely fantastic. And pstre He is from that place

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Speaker 2: where we used to send the convicts and everything as well,

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Speaker 2: so I certainly won't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Look you'll see they will all be ticked off very rapid.

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Speaker 1: I am confident I think we've both made good predictions.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out how they go next week. But that's

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Speaker 1: Au from Matt Clayton and me Michael Lomonado. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for your company and we'll catch you next week.