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Speaker 1: This is the city and with kate ki podcast, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what it feels a bit warmer and cozier

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Speaker 1: in the studio. I know I'm comforted because brand new

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Speaker 1: episode season two of Maggie Dan's podcast, The Good Enough

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Speaker 1: Dad is out now, Episode one with Larry and I

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Speaker 1: love that.

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Speaker 2: Maggie Dent welcome and guys.

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Speaker 3: In Sydney, mug She's just the best.

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Speaker 4: Can I kick this off? I was listening to a

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Speaker 4: podcast the other day. There was a guy, Maggie by

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Speaker 4: the name, and it's the environment that kids have around

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Speaker 2: And do you know what?

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Speaker 4: We're talking about kids all the time with you, But

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Speaker 4: there's different parenting styles that I've never really thought about before.

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Speaker 4: This guy's called Elane de Botton is his name. He

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Speaker 4: has a master's in philosophy, and he was talking about

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Speaker 4: environments at home. But have a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Children come into the world and all of us are

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Speaker 5: honed by nature to figure out what do I need

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Speaker 5: to do here to survive? In some families you need

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Speaker 5: to excel academically. In some family you need to fail academically.

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Speaker 5: In some families, you need to be very witty. In

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Speaker 5: some families you need to be invisible.

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Speaker 6: Why would you fail?

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Speaker 2: In some families?

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Speaker 5: Oh well, the classic one is parental envy. Some parents

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Speaker 5: are hugely envious of their own children and it cannot

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Speaker 4: This blew me away. Have you seen cases of this,

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Speaker 4: this parental envy?

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Speaker 7: Oh, look, I have to say that that that can

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Speaker 7: be a thing. And when I've worked with teenagers over

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Speaker 7: academic grades is so like debilitating because they know if

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Speaker 7: they don't get that A, the A plus when they

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Speaker 7: go home, they just you know that you're not loved

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Speaker 7: right there, You let everyone down. Parental disappointment is it's

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Speaker 7: like a knife in their heart. And yet sometimes parents,

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Speaker 7: I'm in a where they're doing it. They're thinking, I'm

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Speaker 7: encouraging you, and I'm giving you that motivation and I'm

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Speaker 7: telling you to aim high. But sometimes it doesn't land

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Speaker 7: that way with a kid. And it another really difficult

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Speaker 7: one is and you know, because we're don't talk about dads,

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Speaker 7: the dad that's into rugby and into sport and into

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Speaker 7: he can also struggle in that space because he's just

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Speaker 7: with boys around that that I'm a failure for my dad.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough one because you know that this is

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Speaker 4: the other one. And we've spoken about this so many times,

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Speaker 4: Maggie about well, it's just you know, like my son,

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Speaker 4: he loves football, but he also loves his video games.

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Speaker 4: We talk about video games with you all the time

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Speaker 4: and how much time he actually gets on there. But

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Speaker 4: I actually see the joy in his face, Maggie when

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Speaker 7: So one of the things we know about boys particularly

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Speaker 7: is they're hunting dopamine. Right, They're hunting that really good

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Speaker 6: Right. Well, they don't all of.

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Speaker 7: Them get it at school, because quite often I've got

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Speaker 7: I taught ear nine boys who really thought writing an

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Speaker 6: Football for Australia.

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Speaker 7: But what happens when they're video gaming, it's instant instance

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Speaker 7: And then also that their language doesn't escalate, because that's

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Speaker 7: But when we pull them back up on that, saying,

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Speaker 7: It's it's not all harmful, but we've got to make

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Speaker 2: Where's the line of me being a.

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Speaker 6: My house with tayepwad do uniforms foot.

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Speaker 3: Straight off to say that marketplace, same sort of thing, like,

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Speaker 7: And I think we're over scheduling today's children, no question,

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Speaker 1: The podcast The Good Enough Dad, I love this, Maggie,

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Speaker 1: because you do talk to all sorts of different dads,

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Speaker 1: and one of the great parts of this podcast is

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Speaker 6: Dad fails so beautiful.

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Speaker 7: Because we wanted to normalize that there's no perfect in

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Speaker 7: because you've got to look at them. Boys, and men's

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Speaker 7: worth often comes from what I do good, and I

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Speaker 7: And I just kind of had guy up there as

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Speaker 6: So quite often they go out and get some squid.

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Speaker 7: And I just thought, he said, his son keeps saying, no, Dad, not,

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Speaker 6: I've scarred for life of that.

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Speaker 7: But don't you think it's just a beautiful modus accident

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Speaker 8: I'm sure that he beat himself up over that, but

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Speaker 4: Why have you not had the nickname maggot?

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Speaker 9: Dent?

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Speaker 7: And I also wrote a poem once called Maggots and

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Speaker 7: the new teacher nearly fainted because she was a city.

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Speaker 2: Maggot the boots by Maggie.

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Speaker 6: Hello Allison, Hi guys, how are you, Maggie?

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Speaker 2: I'm live with Maggie. What is your question?

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Speaker 10: We do the positive reinforcement, and it's the same thing

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Speaker 7: But what I want you to do, because I've worked

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Speaker 7: In the morning, she's going to visualize herself nailing it,

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Speaker 6: They're the messages just quickly, Maggie.

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Speaker 6: Laid off all right, So of course he wants a lolly.

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Speaker 7: Today is Tuesday, no treat day. So we go okay

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Speaker 15: One question is my nine year old boy. He's quite

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Speaker 6: For a whole lifetime full of dread.

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Speaker 7: So we've got to make sure we allow them to

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Speaker 6: You're actually failing as you are. You're dead right. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Celebrate those ones. Celebrate the lambs and the roosters.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So I don't know if you can try this one.

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Speaker 7: I did it with my four year olds some because

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Speaker 7: But when I said to him at one point, I

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Speaker 1: Worked for you, hasn't it made thank you?

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Speaker 8: If anybody said to me you stin, I so offended,

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Speaker 7: It's such a crazy thing because of I had house

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Speaker 7: Do you want to go up and put some andy

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Speaker 6: I'm not his mother. Yeah, and he knows I like him.

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Speaker 6: He goes up, but you know what he did that?

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Speaker 7: But when I came back later, he sprayed the whole

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Speaker 6: All over the mirror. Because you thought that was funny too.

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Speaker 6: Oh love him in your home anymore?

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Speaker 14: He was?

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Speaker 6: He definitely was.

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Speaker 7: boys were going to sack me as their mother. They're

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Speaker 7: all surfers because I didn't have any surfers or AFL footballers.

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Speaker 6: No, don't just go cut me out. Don't going to

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Speaker 6: cut me right out. So I've nailed it. I'm allowed

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Speaker 6: to stay their mother.

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Speaker 4: I love you, Maggie, thank you very much for coming in.

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Speaker 8: This is the Fitzi and Whipper with Cape Ritchie Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about Kings of Lewn.

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Speaker 4: I love Kings of Lund great band.

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Speaker 2: You've just shown me a photo of them.

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Speaker 4: Too, Okay, I'm sure. So this is so they formed

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Speaker 4: early two thousands. Whip that's them, that's the Followers. So

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Speaker 4: there's three brothers, the follow Wheel brothers, and that's their

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Speaker 4: their cousins.

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Speaker 2: There as well, right, okay, Jared or.

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Speaker 4: Is it Nathan? I don't know. Anyway, there's a cousin

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Speaker 4: in there. They're all family. That's when they first started.

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Speaker 4: I mean they were heart throbs rock and roll around

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Speaker 4: the time of the Strokes.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were part hard Mate.

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Speaker 4: I mean the lead singer, the lead singer, Caleb, he's

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Speaker 4: married to a supermodel Lily Audrey.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been a life of rock.

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Speaker 4: And roll and amazing. If you've ever seen Kings of

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Speaker 4: Leon live, they are a great live man. You know

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Speaker 4: what good looking guys, rock stars. How things have changed. Caleb,

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Speaker 4: the lead singer, brought out a video yesterday. They're just

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Speaker 4: about to start a huge UK and European tour, and

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Speaker 4: this is what's happened now to Kings of.

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Speaker 12: Le Hello to everyone out there, especially our European fans

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Speaker 12: that are preparing to come see us this summer. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 12: I regret to inform you that those shows will have

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Speaker 12: to be canceled due to a freak accident that happened

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Speaker 12: the other day. Broke my foot pretty bad playing with

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Speaker 12: my kids.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty gnarly.

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Speaker 12: I'll spare all the details, but we're fortunate enough to

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Speaker 12: have Greek doctors here in Nashville that gave me emergency surgery.

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Speaker 1: Now, Dave Growl broke his leg on stage, yes, and

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Speaker 1: then performance he said, someone grabbed me a seat, I

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Speaker 1: can't walk and finished the set. Now look at this

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Speaker 1: Pansy telling me he's playing in the backyard, probably on

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Speaker 1: the trampolone.

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Speaker 4: Axel Rose did it, was on a seat for a while,

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Speaker 4: as Zach de la Roche did it as well.

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Speaker 2: From rage against the machine.

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Speaker 4: He broke his leg and he kept he just kept

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Speaker 4: performing in a seat.

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Speaker 2: What's happened to the real rock star?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we remember the time we had that interview,

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Speaker 1: and this is when I realized people changed fits. You

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Speaker 1: and I caught up with Robbie Williams at the Four

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Speaker 1: Seasons here in Sydney and we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking to him.

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Speaker 1: Well, to take you back to the great Robbie Williams days,

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Speaker 1: there was a guy that we know, remember Ian, the

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Speaker 1: security guard ian, was in santra Pe and his job

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Speaker 1: was to make sure that Robbie didn't get out of

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Speaker 1: the compound in the house where he was staying. Robbie

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Speaker 1: pinched the keys to the moped and took off and

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Speaker 1: went missing for four days and then went into rehab

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Speaker 1: for two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Now, that was Robbis.

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Speaker 1: And then during the interview cut to us at the

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Speaker 1: Four Seasons, he realizes it's a Tuesday and he says, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's great, I'm allowed to have some sugar today.

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Speaker 2: We went, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, Robbie, you would have thrown anything

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Speaker 1: you could into the system to get a high, and

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Speaker 1: now you're excited that on a Tuesday you're allowed.

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Speaker 2: A piece of chocolate. What's happened to rock stars in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five? Well, it is I mean, it is hard.

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Speaker 4: You get older, and that's the thing kids ruin your lives.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I want to focus on today. When

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Speaker 4: did the kids injure you, and it's usually trying to

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Speaker 4: save the kids or do something, or you're playing with

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Speaker 4: the kids. It could be something minor at a playground.

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Speaker 4: I remember we used to have a water slide park

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Speaker 4: called Magic Mountain where we grew up with.

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Speaker 2: And it was it was quite steep. It was really radical.

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Speaker 4: And I used to go down with Dad and Dad

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Speaker 4: was Dad used to weigh a bit. Dad was up

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Speaker 4: around about one hundred kilos when when he was at

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Speaker 4: his peak football career, and I remember Dad used to

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Speaker 4: hold you know, we used to go down with your

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Speaker 4: dad when we were still young one or you'd be

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Speaker 4: yeah in between his legs.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: I remember he had a big final coming up that

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Speaker 4: weekend and I just wanted him to go faster and faster,

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Speaker 4: and we went down this steep bit we came. As

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Speaker 4: we went down the bottom and turned around the corner,

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Speaker 4: Dad got airborne. Not just injured me because he went

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Speaker 4: up landed on me. He landed on his shoulder and

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Speaker 4: popped his shoulder, so.

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Speaker 1: You've been crushed his shoulders out.

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Speaker 4: He couldn't play that week, and there was that moment

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Speaker 4: of oh no, oh, no, he's injured me and he's

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Speaker 4: out for the week. Okay, how did the kids injure U?

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Speaker 4: Sarah and Taramara? What happens here?

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Speaker 13: I was with my dad and I broke his finger

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Speaker 13: because I slammed it into the cupbin.

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Speaker 2: On No, it wasn't his pinky, was it?

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Speaker 4: Oh Sarah?

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Speaker 2: Did Dad get angry or did he was he? Did

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Speaker 2: he play it cool?

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Speaker 13: He got really nice and it was all funny looking.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, straight to the doctor, stretched up thing out

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Speaker 1: and put her back together.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't say, let's go to Alana now and

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Speaker 4: warn Ara hids tell us what happened with yous?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: So it was actually my brother. He was running around

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Speaker 9: the backyard with his probly four year old daughter then

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Speaker 9: and they got pavers out the back and he's just

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Speaker 9: tripped and he's taken her with him, so he slipped

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Speaker 9: her around so he didn't land on her. He's landed

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Speaker 9: on his shoulder and he's broke a couple of bones

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Speaker 9: in his shoulder.

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Speaker 2: But saved her as a hero.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so that's what he keeps telling us. Really strange

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Speaker 9: because my husband had a shoulder operation at the same time,

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Speaker 9: and my brother's wife had also had a shoulder operation,

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Speaker 9: so all three of them were in slings.

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Speaker 4: Cool package, very hard, a little at kids, very hard

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Speaker 4: to look after the look at the kids the same

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Speaker 4: way after that, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Mel Northmeade? What happened to your partner? Mel?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 9: He used to do athletics when he was young, and

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Speaker 9: as his kids were going to athletics, so we're in

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Speaker 9: their early teens, he's decided to be the cool, healthy

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Speaker 9: dad and.

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Speaker 11: He's senior athletics and he was doing a two hundred

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Speaker 11: meter race in rotches his achilles.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's what guy Sebastian just did.

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Speaker 4: Now that's how you're out for a long time, minimum

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Speaker 4: a year.

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Speaker 2: Mail.

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Speaker 4: So that was the end of his sporting career. After that,

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Speaker 4: he's never gone back to athletics.

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Speaker 11: He's never gone back to touch footy.

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Speaker 13: And we were meant to go to a ski holiday

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Speaker 13: in Canada.

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Speaker 2: Three male cancel at all Samsia, Hello, Hey, how are

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Speaker 2: you guys? Good? What's your story?

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Speaker 13: So my brother fall around for the ball on the

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Speaker 13: roof and gone up to go get it.

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Speaker 9: They stopped the ladder and actually broke it. His nineteen

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Speaker 9: three places.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're kidding me, it's not funny at all, just

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Speaker 1: to get the ball.

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Speaker 2: How is he? Is he okay?

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Speaker 11: Now he's actually okay. So the fight like it's stables

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Speaker 11: what they called it, So nothing can ask for.

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Speaker 10: Anything, so he can walk and he's.

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Speaker 14: Just in the boats.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most important question as well, Sonthia as well. Did

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Speaker 4: anyone film it so you can put it up on socials?

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Speaker 9: No, I mean my brother's always No, I missed it.

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Speaker 2: So you asked the question, did it really happen?

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Speaker 4: Rowing incarage on how did your father son fishing trip

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Speaker 4: go wrong?

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Speaker 14: Not real? Good little fella. When he first took him

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Speaker 14: out on the boat, he stood up really fast and

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Speaker 14: got me in the eye with the end of the

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Speaker 14: fishing road from the eyelid, and then as he went

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Speaker 14: to pull it away, the hook got me in the

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Speaker 14: side of the head.

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Speaker 2: No, it didn't know what around the tent.

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Speaker 14: Get a book removed out of the side of my

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Speaker 14: head and pitches in the eyelid.

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Speaker 1: Oh, hadn't even got the line in the water, right, kid,

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Speaker 1: he's got a nibb.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna pull in dad. I think I've got a temple.

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Speaker 2: I had an eyeball at the same time.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, they're always good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good on you for making the effort mate.

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Speaker 1: It's in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova podcast

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