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Speaker 1: Hi, get a team. Welcome to another installment of the

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Speaker 1: U Project. Craig Anthony Harper, Greg Patrick, Kevin John, Ferdinand Riley. Now,

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Speaker 1: because I'm clearly a genius and a very experienced podcaster,

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Speaker 1: Greg and I just did about ten minutes of absolute

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Speaker 1: gold that I didn't record because clearly not a genius

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Speaker 1: more to the fuckword end of the scale. So Greg,

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Speaker 1: I apologize, Sorry, mate.

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Speaker 2: Look serious, I mean some of that stuff you discussed

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Speaker 2: was I'd be going to Donald Trump and elt of

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Speaker 2: Musk and say, how are you need to have halps

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Speaker 2: on the team? That's how good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we couldn't repeat that. You're never going

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Speaker 1: to kick that. I'm sorry, listeners, that was gold. That

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Speaker 1: was the gold that you never know. That's bullshit. It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It was just me banging on and we all banging

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Speaker 1: on about the GP. We're not going to go there

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Speaker 1: again because it's GP day in Melbourne, it's raining in Melbourne,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a whole bunch of stuff in the thriving metropolis.

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Speaker 1: But where we were up to when I realized cleverly

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Speaker 1: that I wasn't actually recording us is you were about

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Speaker 1: to You're about to well, you were just starting to

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Speaker 1: tell my listeners a little bit about you so that

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Speaker 1: we can do a deep dive on Craig things and

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Speaker 1: Greg things and human behavior and happiness and all the

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Speaker 1: things that we want to open the door on today.

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Speaker 1: So I'll shut the fuck up and you can restart

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Speaker 1: that little monologue. Take two, Take take two and his Greg.

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Speaker 2: So I've spent you know, I started on fifty now

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Speaker 2: spent twenty five odd years in corporate banking. So I

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Speaker 2: started off at west Pax when I was sevent eighten

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Speaker 2: it's a tower. I worked my way up there, moved

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Speaker 2: another company for a little bit of time after that, stage,

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Speaker 2: left that, and then moved into a consulting role in

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Speaker 2: the project space through through ain Z for a number

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Speaker 2: of years. So I've held a lot of senior positions

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Speaker 2: running appro's the multimillion dollar projects teams are fifty twenty

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Speaker 2: five globally across the board. Yeah, so I've had a

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Speaker 2: fair extensive experience in the corporate environment with running teams

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Speaker 2: and delivering on results and projects initiatives and that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. And there's there's the I suppose the other

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Speaker 2: part of me is a bit like Clark Camp there's

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Speaker 2: The other part is the psychic part, the spiritual stuff. Right.

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Speaker 2: So so in my early twenties, wasn't necessarily happy with

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Speaker 2: where the direction of life was going, and I started

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Speaker 2: tarot course one night and ended up giving a reading

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Speaker 2: to somebody and he just literally went white and said,

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Speaker 2: how would you get that? I had no idea what

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Speaker 2: I was doing, but ended up basically then, you know,

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Speaker 2: going to that place a better physics and consciousness and

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Speaker 2: and which sort of goes into you know, I was

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Speaker 2: me as Australia's most gifted psychic. Did that for twelve months,

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Speaker 2: did it full time for twelve months and just not

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Speaker 2: doing anymore, and then from their hypnotherapy and you know,

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. No of your causes, Craig,

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Speaker 2: and it's how we met. And now I just love

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Speaker 2: the part where I'll be able to I hope people

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Speaker 2: enjoy going to work like I hate, you know, I

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Speaker 2: They're stressed out, they're coming home. It's not a quality

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Speaker 2: leadership qualities. A lot of people in those positions, they

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Speaker 2: usually outcome driving. I can deliver an outcome, but very

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Speaker 2: like I think, was a ten percent of people and

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Speaker 2: you make your most biggest decisions? He has there's data

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Speaker 2: behind the decisions, but most people go the got call.

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Speaker 2: I just felt found it just felt like it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, you can't teach intuition because it's a

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about intuition. I mean, I wrote a

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Speaker 1: going to say up front everyone, these are just two

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Speaker 1: You know? This other shit that doesn't in inverted commas

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Speaker 1: This doesn't fit into that. So either one that's impossible,

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Speaker 1: Two makes no sense. Three it's bullshit. Right. And I've

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Speaker 1: lot of experiences that to me seemed completely inexplicable and

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Speaker 1: But because I knew that was coming, I was ready. Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the asset like it you are, right,

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Speaker 2: they understand understand hormones.

430
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, and that that intersection of

431
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings and biochemistry and hormones, and then you

432
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: throw in fear and anxiety and beliefs and fucking programming

433
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: and conditioning and childhood trauma and oh it's a the

434
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: ship show. Yeah, it's a shit festive human experience.

435
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: But to really to answer your question, there was it

436
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: was care. There was real, genuine care about me, and

437
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Speaker 2: you know, you saw beyond what I was presenting, Yes,

438
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 2: like you saw the real person underneath there that that

439
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Speaker 2: I hope someone actually saw one day. Yeah, yeah, which

440
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: is a talent.

441
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you. I think Also, you know, like

442
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the high ish profile people that I've

443
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: either trained or coached or counseled or spoken with, you know,

444
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: I kind of eventually go to them, you know, all

445
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: that famous stuff like without being retud by the way,

446
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: well done, it's amazing, But I don't give a fuck

447
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: about that, and they're like, it's almost like they're good.

448
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to the persona. I just

449
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: want to know you and whether or not you're an

450
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: actor on the telly or whether or not you're driving

451
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: a Bobcat and fucking, you know, making holes on a

452
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Speaker 1: construction site. I really don't give a fuck. People say that,

453
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: but I don't give a fuck.

454
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Speaker 2: I can tell you now, the more money you have

455
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people, the more problems they have. I

456
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 2: know many many more depressed and drugged up entrepreneurs are

457
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: over millions of dollars versus Bobcat drive.

458
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's not say one causes the other,

459
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: but yes, that and we've kind of, you know, we've

460
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: opened that door quite a few times here, but that

461
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I think that being just coming back a little mini

462
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: circle to where we're talking about how open like when

463
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: you and I first met, and I could, you know,

464
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: see in you stuff that maybe other people didn't see

465
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: with you, and maybe in a way you felt like

466
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm being seen for the first time or maybe for

467
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Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, where this guy

468
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: sees me, not the show or the brand or the persona, but.

469
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: That the post.

470
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've probably spoken twenty times in six years about this,

471
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: so I'll be brief on it, but you've heard me talk.

472
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: I think I talk about public you and personal you

473
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 1: and private you and secret you, and you know, public

474
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 1: you is this you know, like you in the shopping center,

475
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: yeah you on Instagram whatever, Right, Personal you is the

476
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: guy that people might meet in the cafe where you

477
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a deeper chat and it's

478
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: a little bit less formal, and you might be a

479
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: little bit more vulnerable and revealing, and you know, some

480
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: kind of peripheral friends. And then private you is really

481
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: the you that only maybe a few people in the

482
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: world get to meet, you know, maybe close friends of course,

483
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: your partner. And then secret you is the person that

484
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: only you know. And I really try, I really try

485
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Speaker 1: to present private me to the world, and not for

486
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Speaker 1: the sake of anything other than I think if I

487
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: can teach the things and share the thoughts and ideas

488
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: and strategies that I didn't invent. By the way, I'm

489
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: just the con I say, I'm not the wisdom. I'm

490
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: the conduit, Like I'm the conduit to the wisdom, to

491
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Speaker 1: the information to the a When I'm not the awareness,

492
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm just fucking pointing you towards it. Right, But if

493
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of that I can be as vulnerable

494
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: as is appropriate, we don't need to everyone does need

495
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: to know everything, of course, but on top of the

496
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: wisdom and insight and strategy and revelation that you and

497
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: I might share in our jobs which didn't come from us,

498
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: just through us, if on top of that, you can

499
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: be a person that people go, ah that, oh, he's

500
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: so not what I thought he might be or she

501
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: might be, you know. And which is not to say

502
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: that I don't fuck up. I fuck up regularly. But

503
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: even with that, I like to tell people when I

504
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: did something fucking egotistical or selfish or stupid or which

505
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, seven times a day. But I think that

506
00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: combination of you know, allowing yourself to be vulnerable with

507
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: people that might not normally expect it, like you and me, right,

508
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: two blokes and we didn't know each other well, and

509
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: most blokes and I'm not saying Aunt Gregan Craig Grave,

510
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: but that most blokes aren't opening that door anytime soon.

511
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: This is the thing, like two dudes and you know,

512
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: all just say that's without being a bit wiky sort

513
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: of alpha malesh kind of stuff like we've got to

514
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: shit together talking about this stuff like it's really cool,

515
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: Like he's really really really cool talking about you know,

516
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: human behavior, spiritualism, you know, nature of reality, consciousness.

517
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: It's so cool, yeah, yeah, and so good to be

518
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: able to think that. You know, I love people listening

519
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: to chats like this that don't normally listen to chats

520
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: like this, you know, just because you're like, oh, what

521
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: even is that?

522
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: Now.

523
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anyone needs to take any kind of

524
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: action or do any kind of thing, but sometimes you think, like,

525
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: if I was listening to this and I was probably

526
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, if I was a bit stuck maybe, which

527
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: I know some listeners are a bit stuck or a

528
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: bit you know, things are okay, but things are not brilliant,

529
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: and they're maybe doing things that don't work, but they

530
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: keep doing those things that don't work. Sometimes you go, fuck,

531
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: what else is there? Maybe I need to open another door,

532
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to have another conversation. Maybe what I

533
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: understand is just you know, a drop of water in

534
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: an ocean of what there is to know, you know, maybe,

535
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and maybe what I think is all of what there

536
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: is to know is hardly anything you know, and being

537
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, without being ridiculously vulnerable or stupid or putting

538
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: yourself at risk, but just you know, opening these doors

539
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: that might be expansive. Where I grew up in a

540
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, like we've spoken about this a lot, but

541
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in a very you know, constrictive framework

542
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: and ideology. And I grew up in what I call

543
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: a thought cult, where you have to think this way.

544
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: In our thought cult happened to be religious, but it

545
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: could have been anything, could have been any kind of group. Right.

546
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: But then, and then what happens is when you grow

547
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: up in this cult, that cult, that cult, that cult.

548
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: And we've all been in cults. We don't think we have,

549
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: but we've all been in uh, you know, either spiritual, religious, cultural, sociological, sporting, professional, corporate,

550
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: like they're all cults in that's worst and controlled and

551
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: manipulated to think a certain way and be a certain way.

552
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: That's the price of membership. And then when one day

553
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: you get a bit, you know, you put on your

554
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: big boy pants or your big girl pants and you go,

555
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think that, what about this?

556
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: What about what about I don't agree? Oh god, what

557
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: about even better? I don't know? And it's okay that

558
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't know.

559
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: The problem is that most most people are driven from

560
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: a place of belonging and acceptance. So opening up these

561
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: doors is quite a confrontational thing sometimes because you can't

562
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: unsee what you see now. Once you're tap into this place,

563
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: you can't undersee it. And sometimes for some people it's

564
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: better to stay in the matrix, so to speak, and

565
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: actually open up the door. And that again, because it

566
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: takes a lot of It takes one hundred percent accountability

567
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: for your life. You can no longer be a victim

568
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: of life or blame other people or you know, circumstances

569
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: of dictating to me and my behavior and all that

570
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It is a radical shift one eighty

571
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: in the way that you actually experience life in itself.

572
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: And I feel like it's it's getting harder and harder.

573
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Well for me, it's getting harder to talk about taking

574
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: absolute ownership of your choices and your behaviors and your outcomes,

575
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: because when you talk about to me, that's just something

576
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: very logical and practical, and you know, it's like, well,

577
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, like, for example, generally, when my life's gone

578
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: shit or part of it's gone shit, at the very

579
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: least I had something to do with it, you know.

580
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: Most of the time, like when I was out of shape.

581
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: That was all me. You know. When business went good

582
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: or bad, that was me. A few other variables, but

583
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: mostly me, because I was the captain of the ship.

584
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: When a relationship went great or shit, that was at

585
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: least fifty percent me, you know. And I just think

586
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: that that without self loathing and without you know, throwing

587
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: hate at anyone else, just being able to say, look

588
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: where I am, Some of that's me, some of that's

589
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: not me. There are extraneous variables that I can't control,

590
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: that's okay. But in terms of where I am and

591
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: who I want to be and how I want to

592
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: be moving forward. One what's working and not working on

593
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: planet me? And two what's in my control? What's in

594
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: what's not in my control? As Donald Trump is, the

595
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: government is the genetics I was born with. Is what

596
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: happened last week? What that person thinks, what what the

597
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: you know? All that shit's not But what I can

598
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: do is despite all that other shit, I can ask

599
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: better questions, do better things, create better outcomes, be brave,

600
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: be resilient by choice.

601
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, and this is the power of the work that

602
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: you know people like you when I do. Is that

603
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: we talked about this break of the day about the

604
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: twelve steps to enlightenment. You know you are here and

605
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: iditate these twelve steps to get to a version of

606
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: you sometime in the future that when you get there,

607
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: that you will be happy in that place. It's never

608
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: going to happen no ever. And by the right questioning,

609
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: you can actually reveal to people their true self. Like

610
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: people say, well, how do you do this, It's like, well,

611
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: let's just picture a lamp like and a lamp shade.

612
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: Like.

613
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: All I'm doing is removing the lamp shade. The light

614
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: was already turned on, was already there. I'm just taking

615
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: the lamp shade off. Yes, and then from that point

616
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: of you are the light. You then take action from

617
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: that place. But too many people are upsetsed. We'll give

618
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: me a process, give me a system, give me a tool,

619
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: give me something to do to get to somewhere, and

620
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: that's then created. You were creating more trauma on that

621
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: stage because you're just going round and around the circle,

622
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: because you're always externalizing it. Again, then you're always saying that,

623
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, I need to become someone because right who

624
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: I am right now is not good enough. And we'll

625
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: actually you know where you are right now might be perfect,

626
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: but where you're.

627
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: At, Yes, and what about the story that we have

628
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: greg that when I have this and earn that, known

629
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: that and look like that and build that and get that,

630
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: then I'll be good.

631
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: How many people do you know when they get there

632
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: there it doesn't feel anything.

633
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: Everyone everyone like, I've said this before, but how many

634
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: people do you think in my life I've gotten not

635
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: I've gotten working with me, they have gotten themselves in

636
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: great shape. I mean fucking thousands of people that came

637
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: to me. Now. The one thing that everybody has in

638
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: common when they come see me is they want to change.

639
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Nobody goes, here's a thousand bucks. I want to look

640
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: the same or be the same, right or whatever it

641
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: is is not but you know, and then so they're

642
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: at the start line and we go, okay, why are

643
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: you here? What do you want to do? What do

644
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: you want to change? What's working? Telling about your food,

645
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: telling me about your exercise, telling me about your lifestyle? Cool,

646
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: what are your goals? And then we get clear on

647
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: that and we go, right now, let's create a plan

648
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: around those goals. And then we get there and they

649
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: never say, oh, I'm good now, thanks, see you mate, Right,

650
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: because it's like it's never you know, there's a level

651
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: of satisfaction, but that is generally short lived. And this

652
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: was the same with me because I was very externally focused,

653
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: I was very fearful, I was very insecure. I got

654
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: my sense of self and self worth and validation through

655
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: what people thought of my body because I was the

656
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: fat kid who got fucking shit canned, and then I

657
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: was the fit, lean, strong, athletic kid who got lots

658
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: of approval. So the lesson for me was, oh wow,

659
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: things are a lot better when I look like this.

660
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Now imagine if I could look like this plus twenty percent,

661
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: life will be heaven, you know. And then so you'd

662
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: learn these bad lessons understandably. Also, by the way, just

663
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: take a look on Instagram or Facebook or any of

664
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: those TikTok Like, if you're young and beautiful, you're getting

665
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: rewarded in a way, but that sets you up for

666
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: pain over the long term because you know the dose

667
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: that used to give you that great feeling, and the

668
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: dose was one hundred likes, Well, now you need a

669
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: thousand likes to get the same response. Now you need

670
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: five thousand. Now you're getting ten thousand, and you're fucking

671
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: miserable because you've desensitized, you don putman in response, right,

672
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: and now you're never happy, and now you've got an

673
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: eating disorder on now you've got some OCD issue or

674
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: now And yes, I know that's also genetic, but we

675
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: just open this door wider and wider where we try

676
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: and resolve internal issues with external stuff.

677
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that internal drivers never solved, right, So it's

678
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: this hungry dragon that needs to be fed all the time.

679
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that people get addicted to it.

680
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: They get addicted to the insecurity version. People talk about

681
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: tell your story, Tell your story. I know a coach here,

682
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, Australia, and she's got a pretty she's a

683
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: very very good coach. Every time she gets on stage,

684
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: she talks about this version of her, right, she always

685
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 2: talks about it. Now it's so intertwined into her story

686
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: that she can never heal from it, right because it's

687
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: driving her success right without the story? And who is

688
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: she rather than just letting her, let's say, her skills

689
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: and success stories speak for themselves, is to keep driving

690
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 2: the other story?

691
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: And so, did do you think that in some ways

692
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: some people need to kind of keep fanning the flames

693
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: of that identity.

694
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Completely in that space, that she'll never be happy either,

695
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: like she's constantly driving that yeah, incredibly successful coach in

696
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: the millions of dollars per year space. Yes, incredibly credibly driven,

697
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: but incredibly unhappy. Can't hold a relationship down.

698
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's put the handbrake on and let's high

699
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: five each other and let's do a left turn. Release

700
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: the handbrake. I want to talk about. So I hadn't

701
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: seen you for a long time, probably more than a year, right,

702
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't.

703
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Know, probably twelbot's Yeah, yeah, and I saw you.

704
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: We've texted, we've texted. I mean, we stay in much, right,

705
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: but we see a fair bit of each other, and

706
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, now reconnected and we have to anyway, so

707
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: be as vulnerable as you want, or you know, I

708
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: feel like you're going to be vulnerable. But so the

709
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: other day you and I sat down and straight away

710
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: before we'd really chatted, and I didn't tell you this.

711
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: I knew that you were different. You didn't go I'm different.

712
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: You didn't I'm like Greek's different, and you know, so

713
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: that intuition, that awareness, and it's like you like you

714
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: sat down I went, oh, some shit's happened. I wonder

715
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: what the shit is? You know, It's like we were

716
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: twelve seconds in. I'm like, Greek's different. So there's that,

717
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: and I knew that straight away. I didn't know what

718
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: the difference was. But you, like, I looked at you

719
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: and you were okay. So I'm going to tell you

720
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: what I saw. And you and I haven't spoken about this,

721
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: so I could be completely wrong, but firstly, you seemed

722
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: happier than maybe I've ever seen you. Not a life

723
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: without problems or challenges, but you just seemed in yourself happier.

724
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: You seemed compared to a version of you that I

725
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: had known, lighter and like less heaviness, and like perhaps

726
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: more clarity and like almost this is the word that

727
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: comes to mind, like relieved of something. Right, That's all.

728
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: That's what I got from you. And I went how

729
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: are you? And you basically went, I'm fucking great. And

730
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a pretend I'm great. Yeah, it's like, no,

731
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm great now, not to say everything's going great, because

732
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: everything isn't going great, and in fact, there are challenges.

733
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: And I I just spoke to your beautiful wife and

734
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: nessa before we start. And she's got a few challenges

735
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: that you may or may not want to talk about,

736
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: but she's very brave and dealing with some hard ship.

737
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: And you as a family and her and you two

738
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: as a couple. And you said when we first met,

739
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: things were, you know, on the rocks a little bit.

740
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: But you said something like, and I'll shut up after

741
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: this and you take up. The last three years have

742
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: been the hardest of my life and the best of

743
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: my life something like that.

744
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was literally to the edge and looking over

745
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: the edge.

746
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: Of the abyss And what took you to the edge?

747
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: One was trying to redefine my business. I've been trying

748
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: to get rid of this whole psychic stuff for a

749
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: long time. It's trying to get through that and restart,

750
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: you know, the leadership business, and that that's been a

751
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: hard slog because I've said, people saw see you as

752
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: a certain thing. So's that's been difficult. Dropped sixty grand

753
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: on the marketing agency with not one leads. That was

754
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: an interesting stop experience in itself. But on top of

755
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 2: all that, as you mentioned before, like unless I say Verdigo,

756
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: like really bad Verdigo for you know, for three years

757
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: three years plus were a point where she can't get

758
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: out of bed. And if anyone's had vertigo, it's not

759
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: like you can just watch Netflix. Yes, like you're you're

760
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: literally can't do anything, and the whole room is spinning

761
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: around and spinning around and spinning around. And it's is

762
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: a horrible, horrible experience because it's you just want it

763
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 2: to stop and it doesn't. And then you there's medication

764
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: you can take, and that that doesn't help. Sometimes we

765
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: go on some really bad antipsychotics which then has other

766
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: effects as well too. It's it's a complete ship show.

767
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: And so you've got that where you know your wife's

768
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: can only just lie in bed. I will not lie

769
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: but sit up in bed. And they're not sleeping either

770
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: because you're not sleeping. And then I've got a business

771
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: to run. We've got three young children, so you've got

772
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: that schooling, sports parties. And then you've got to also

773
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: understand that you've got to maintain some kind of you know,

774
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: you've got to maintain it together for your kids. You

775
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: can't let you you can't let your kids see this

776
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: is breaking every part of you. And to see your

777
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: partner in such a place breaks your heart as well too,

778
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: because she is everything to me, like she is my

779
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: life and so on my kids, and to see you

780
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: go through that, it was it's a horrible experience. And

781
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, there are times there where it got really

782
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: really really bad, like you know, I want to end

783
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: at all, just because it just to make the vertigo stop.

784
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: And that was two or three times. We're just like,

785
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: we're not doing this, We're not doing this, and.

786
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: Can I interrupt? Just did you that I don't want

787
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: to be here? Did you and her chat about that?

788
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because I got that bad that, you know,

789
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: how do you make a stop? And then on top

790
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: of it, it's like, well, I'm having no value to

791
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: the family. Everyone's I'm just I'm just I'm here and

792
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm dragging everybody down. And you know, the kids are

793
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: seeing a certain thing with mums in bed and it's

794
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: not She has to be like it can't function. You

795
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: literally can't do anything. Having a shower is literally that's

796
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: a that's a task in itself, right, Yeah, And you know,

797
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: the new neurologists and all that kind of stuff don't

798
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: really have much of an idea how to fix it.

799
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Trying multiple different things to try, and you know, diets, hormones,

800
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: different treatments. We've been that many different diets, different experts

801
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: that many different hormonial people, and not having an answer

802
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: is probably one of the worst things as well too,

803
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: Like if you've got if you've got something, and you've

804
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: got an answer, and go do this and you'll get better.

805
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: You're with that. But they sit there and have no

806
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: answer and try just trying things to see if they

807
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: work was literally, you know, just horrible. So so it

808
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: was stressful beyond all imagination. And then you usually got

809
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: three kids there you're going to maintain that focus for

810
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: and that you're going to maintain a happy household. And

811
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 2: I was well, I said, the other days, I found

812
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: parts of myself I never knew existed. Like we went

813
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 2: to the darkest of darker places, and we've come through

814
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: in a way that I am extremely proud of, extremely

815
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: proud of the people that we are and who we are,

816
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: and we're not we're not perfect. We still screw things

817
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: up and we still have our days and look like

818
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: we spoke to it for she's so much better, so

819
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: much better, Yes, But it took us to go to

820
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: some places that were quite dark and deal with some

821
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: shit as well too about our own behaviors, our own past,

822
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: because the Verdica was also love it someone's stress related

823
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: as well too, So so there's a multity of different

824
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: things we actually did, but the connection we've got through

825
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: that experience is unbreakable now, like we people these days

826
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: walk at the first side of any kind of difficulty

827
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: in the relationship, like we went and looked over the

828
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: edge and came back, and I'm so proud of that,

829
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: But that wouldn't have been possible without understanding some of

830
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: the stuff that I've learned, like together.

831
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: Tell me in relation to that, you know it is.

832
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: It's funny too because I think people, some people, I

833
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 1: should say, don't understand how completely sold destroying and debilitating

834
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: Bertiego can be. Because even with and we don't wish

835
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: cancer on anyone in cancer is horrible, but at least

836
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: with that you go, well, this is the treatment protocol.

837
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: We're doing this and you know, which is still it's

838
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: obvious a horrible, terrible disease, but at least you know,

839
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: and it's.

840
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: Like and you can function as well, Like you sit there,

841
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: you can put on Netflix and have you chemotherapy, right, yeah,

842
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: you can't do any of that, stopping it to go.

843
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: There's not a functioning at all at.

844
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: All, and probably a bad example everyone. I apologize, but

845
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: on the probably but her mum's had cancer three times

846
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: and she's still here, God bless her. But I think

847
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: on top of that, like you said, when you go, okay,

848
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: so there's this problem, and you talk to a range

849
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: of different experts, you know, and they're all kind of

850
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: experts in their field, and no one really knows, and

851
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: when they go, well, we'll see how I mean, and

852
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: that's not their fault, you know, but it's like essentially

853
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: educated guessing, and then well that didn't work. We'll try

854
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: that didn't work either, And even you know, three years

855
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Speaker 1: down the track now, and I spoke with her just

856
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Speaker 1: before we started recording, and like you said, I was

857
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: good this morning and then I went out and now

858
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm a bit ship. I've got verdigo again. But you know,

859
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as it was, but it's still

860
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: still very debilitating and limiting in that you know when

861
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: it you know, when it takes over, well, you don't

862
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of say.

863
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. The other day is like I sort of

864
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: just put this down. I went, Okay, right, I'm in

865
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: this situation and I've drawn this into into my existence

866
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: for a reason. This is where we go spiritual woo woo.

867
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: Soide of the world is that I'm ready. That's why am

868
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: I creating this experience? Why is but there's the creating

869
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: this experience for me? Why is she sacrificing this aspect

870
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: of herself for my life? What is she doing? And

871
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: I went, let's see how how hard you can step up?

872
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

873
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: Let's see what kind of man you could be. Now,

874
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: let's give you the hardest thing I'll ever ever encounter

875
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: and see how you how you deal with it.

876
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: So when your your wife is essentially and the person

877
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: you love most in the world is kind of in

878
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: a way not operational, she can't really do anything for herself.

879
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean that respectfully. And also thinking about if I

880
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: can just say it openly suicide, right, which obviously she

881
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want and you don't want, right, I mean that,

882
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't get much darker than those two variables. Right,

883
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: How how do you And then like you said, three

884
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: kids and we've got school, and we've got food, and

885
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: then we've also you know, emotional and psychological needs for

886
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: those kids too, and getting everyone showered, ready for bed,

887
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: and all of the myriad and then you're going to

888
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: go make some money, Greg, because you know, the fucking

889
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: the hell. Sometimes I think my life's hard, which it

890
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: never is, by the way, but I'll just think about you.

891
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: What did you learn about you? And what did you

892
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Speaker 1: hold on to? And what did you let go of?

893
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Speaker 1: If those questions?

894
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Speaker 2: I am so grateful that I actually invested in myself

895
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: all days years ago. That's probably the first thing. I

896
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: am so lucky, and I'm so grateful that I come

897
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: across some very very cool people and I heavily invested,

898
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: not like two hundred bucks like this, are the hundreds

899
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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars over the last twenty eighth years.

900
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Speaker 2: There's a really key programs about human behavior. I'm one

901
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: so grateful for that that I actually did that. Two

902
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: would I learn that by myself I can overcome anything.

903
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: And the most important thing to me in my life

904
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Speaker 2: is my family, m Above everything else. I will die

905
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Speaker 2: for that. M Wow. And what did I let go of?

906
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Speaker 2: Probably a number of masks keep talking, probably the you

907
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: know the the like I'm a pretty look you know

908
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: me I'm pretty guarded. I don't show a lot. I'm

909
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm I kick to myself and I'm not one to

910
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: sort of jump from jump on Instagram and look at me,

911
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Look how good I am. And you know, here's my breakfast,

912
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: and here's my six pack, and you know, here's here's

913
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Speaker 2: my whatever lifestyle and here's my business class trip to

914
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: wherever I'm going. Because I need to show you that stuff.

915
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: I think I just became, you know, generally centered and

916
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: happy and content. In the moment of sheer shitness, I

917
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: was in the middle of complete darkness and I was

918
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: completely okay.

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Speaker 1: Good, I groover. As you probably figured it out by now,

920
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Speaker 1: But this chap with Greg I went way longer than

921
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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to. I really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy most of the chats, but I really enjoyed

923
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Speaker 1: this chat. I hope you're enjoying it too. I think

924
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Speaker 1: it gets better in the second half. I'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Will be back tomorrow with part two. See then,