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Speaker 1: As you've heard on five Double A News this morning,

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Speaker 1: the federal government could impose new restrictions on cat owners

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Speaker 1: in an effort to protect wildlife. The Australian National UNI

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Speaker 1: estimating roaming pet cats kill five hundred and forty six

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Speaker 1: million animals a year. Staggering, isn't it almost two out

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Speaker 1: of three of those native species. But when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Australia's five and a half million federal cats, they're

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Speaker 1: just gorging themselves on one and a half billion creatures

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Speaker 1: animals native animals every year. A cat abatement plan will

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Speaker 1: be released by the end of the year, and we

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Speaker 1: understand Tana Plibsek, the Environment Minister, will release some of

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Speaker 1: that today, but it could require state and territory governments

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Speaker 1: to pass laws that empower local councils to reduce pet numbers.

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Speaker 1: Tight cat controls exist reasonably tightly here in South Australia anyway.

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Speaker 1: The plan likely to affect some states so that don't

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Speaker 1: have laws as strong as ours. Maybe ours need to

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Speaker 1: be stronger as well. We'll explore all of that. But

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Speaker 1: a little while ago, just before the show started, I

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Speaker 1: ducked into the cattery here at the Royal Adelaide Show

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Speaker 1: and spoke with people there about what these changes might mean.

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Speaker 1: I've just popped into the cat display area the show

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Speaker 1: area here at the Royal Adelaide Show. I'm with Fiona Hawkins,

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Speaker 1: who is Secretary of the Governing Council of the Fancy

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Speaker 1: of South Australia. Fiona, good morning, good morning, how are

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Speaker 1: you good, Thank you, thank you for your time. So

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Speaker 1: the federal government's proposals, we'll know more about them throughout

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Speaker 1: the day as the Environment Minister makes an announcement. Tania

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Speaker 1: plibersect but suggestions this morning more powers for counsels to

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Speaker 1: control cat ownership and cats in their areas. It looks

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Speaker 1: as if it's forming in that direction. What are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on on that in general? Obviously the aim to

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Speaker 1: protect wildlife.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're quite in agreement with protecting the wildlife from

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Speaker 2: a breeders perspective. If we do contain our cats, so

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Speaker 2: we would hope to see that our pedigree cats in

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Speaker 2: particular are not hampered in any way by new laws.

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Speaker 2: We're quite happy to work with the government in protecting

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Speaker 2: new laws.

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Speaker 1: And of course as breeders, you know you can't see

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Speaker 1: your pride and joy. You don't want them outdoors roaming around.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely all of our cats are contained in catgories.

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Speaker 2: We already abide by South Australian legislation and by the

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Speaker 2: Dog and Cat Management Boards DAYCO Dog Cats Online, and

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Speaker 2: we also have our own rules and regulations that we

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Speaker 1: You reckon, we get it right here in South Australia.

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Speaker 1: I've spoken about these types of issues many times on

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Speaker 1: air and always hear from people who say, well, we

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Speaker 1: do the right thing. We've got enclosures in our yards.

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Speaker 3: Many do. I suppose it's the people who will just.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about where the cat goes at night or

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Speaker 1: whenever during the day, and of course if the cat's

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Speaker 1: out there and it sees a lizard or a bird

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Speaker 1: or whatever, well it's game.

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Speaker 3: I suppose, yes, that's true.

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Speaker 4: There are.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people who do do the right thing

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Speaker 2: in providing enclosures in their yard. And it's not that

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Speaker 2: you have to enclose them in a small cage, because

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Speaker 2: there are great containment systems that you can put on

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Speaker 2: your fences that allow the cats to have the whole backyard.

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Speaker 2: So there's lots of alternatives that you can have, and

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Speaker 2: we talk to a lot of people about those systems

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Speaker 2: and as I said, there's lots of alternatives that you

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Speaker 2: And it's not the pedigree cats and the breeders that

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Speaker 2: need to beiled down, it's you know, your local cat

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Speaker 2: and just convincing people that not cats don't have to roam.

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Speaker 2: They can live a life of in safety very easily.

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Speaker 2: They are very adaptable.

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Speaker 1: Animals and that protects them as well, doesn't it from

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Speaker 1: cat fights? From the illnesses that cats are susceptible to. It,

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Speaker 1: it's probably better for the cat if it is within

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Speaker 1: its own space and it's.

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Speaker 3: In a yard.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely, your cat is going to have a

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Speaker 2: much happier life in a safe area. You're not going

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Speaker 2: to get cat exactly what you said, cat bytes, cat fights, diseases,

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Speaker 2: and you're not going to lose it. You know, make

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Speaker 2: sure it's microchip and that dissext so that we don't

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Speaker 2: have the overpopulation and much happier life for it as well.

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Speaker 1: You'll know where it is you're in favor of the

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Speaker 2: There's an argument both ways for that. Yes, it alerts

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Speaker 2: are easy release if they get caught on something, because

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Speaker 2: it can have horrendous accidents to the cats.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's about thinking things through.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, terrific, Fiona. While we're here, let's talk AUP.

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Speaker 1: You've got coming up in the cat display show area

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Speaker 1: here at the Royal Adelaide show. Over the remainder of

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Speaker 1: the show, got some beautiful cats in here today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have Maine coons and Siberians today, so some

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Speaker 2: of our bigger breeds beautifully groomed today, and our judge

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Speaker 2: usually get a great crowd through, everybody wanting to know,

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Speaker 2: you know, what are the cats like, which breed should

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Speaker 2: I have, and how do I look after it? All

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing, and everybody just delights in showing

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Speaker 3: What are the highlights over the remaining.

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Speaker 4: Days we have Bengals and sphinks and Licoise tomorrow and

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Speaker 4: then Friday we have Abyssinians and Russians.

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Speaker 2: Saturday we have all of our rex cats, so the

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Speaker 2: big curly Selkirks and the Devons and Cornish and then

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Speaker 2: Sunday we're all back for our final judging.

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Speaker 1: Okay, terrific. Well, I hope the rest of the week

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Speaker 1: goes well for you. Just one final one I've thought

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Speaker 1: of as you were speaking. Should cats be registered?

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Speaker 2: Yes, everybody should register their cats because then you're registering

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Speaker 3: Them and pay for registration through councils.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, the majority of councils you don't have

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Speaker 2: to pay registration, so it's a really simple task register

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Speaker 2: your cats. That way we can keep an idea of

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Speaker 2: how many cats there are out there, but also you're

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Speaker 2: registering that microchip so that if cat does get lost,

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Speaker 1: Terrific, Fiona, thank you so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Great to have a chat with you. From the Governing

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Speaker 1: who is the secretary of that organization, and that was

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, thanks for coming on. Just going through some

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Speaker 1: of these stats a bit earlier. Five and a half

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Speaker 1: million feral cats gorging themselves on one and a half

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Speaker 1: billion indigenous animals every year. That's a staggeringly terrible statistic.

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Speaker 5: Oh. Look, in the next twenty four hours across Australia,

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Speaker 5: the impact of feral cats and also those roaming domestic cats. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: will be just in the next twenty four hours about

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Speaker 5: five million native animals killed. So we're talking about huge

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Speaker 5: numbers of our our lizonds, our frogs, our birds, our

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Speaker 5: possums and other mammals killed by cats. And that's because

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Speaker 5: they are such efficient and effective hunters killers. That's the

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Speaker 5: nature of a cat and not something that we can change.

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Speaker 5: But it is good that we're increasingly getting governments focused

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Speaker 5: because we know at least twenty five of our native

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Speaker 5: species have gone extinct due to the impact of cats,

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Speaker 5: and you know, we could lose some of our iconic

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Speaker 5: forever If there isn't that constant work to make sure

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Speaker 5: that the impact of feral and roaming pet cats is.

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Speaker 1: Reduced, what else would you like to see the government do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine this would the plan would allow

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Speaker 1: councils potentially to go and don't they do this anyway?

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Speaker 1: Trap feral cancl cats out that they find in situations

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Speaker 1: of killing animals.

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Speaker 5: So look, we've got a real patchwork of laws across

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Speaker 5: the country and in South Australia there is a focus

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Speaker 5: I think from the Environment Minister Susan Klok somewhat needed

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Speaker 5: to actually improve that legislation and that's really positive at

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Speaker 5: the moment. Across council areas, some have containment laws and

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Speaker 5: some don't. And it was fantast So this is your

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Speaker 5: because that the numbers are kept so artificially high and

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Speaker 5: every single year, and unfortunately, about seventy percent of people

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Speaker 5: let their cats roam, which isn't good for the cats

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Speaker 5: issues in terms of the way that both landowners, councils

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Speaker 5: actually able to manage cats effectively.

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Speaker 1: All right, so people will be presumably, and this happens already,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it. A lot of people responsible people certainly have

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Speaker 1: taken steps to ensure cats remain within their property. And

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Speaker 1: the backyard is where you can control it the easiest,

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Speaker 1: those who don't want the cat to roam for good reason,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, we need a cultural shift in Australia on

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Speaker 5: this issue. So you know, if you went back to

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Speaker 5: we need to happen now with cats. People recognizing cats

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Speaker 5: majority over eighty percent of them do. And of those ones,

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Speaker 5: if you see, you know, your cat bring back a

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Speaker 5: dead possum or a dead lizard, and there's another four

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Speaker 5: they have not brought back, that's what the evidence suggests.

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Speaker 5: So it really does need people stepping up being responsible

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Speaker 5: with how they manage their cats, and also state governments

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Speaker 5: making it clear what the requirement is that the essay

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Speaker 5: state government making that a requirement across all council areas

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Speaker 5: and then assisting cat owners and councils to make that

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Speaker 5: cultural change that we need to protect our mad wildlife.

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Speaker 1: All right, I know you have to go to another interview. Jack,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on this morning. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Jack Goff, who is advocacy manager Invasive Species Council, got

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Speaker 1: so many texts on this, and I know David will

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Speaker 1: did earlier as well, but they're keep coming through. Paula says, Matthew,

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Speaker 1: why aren't people up in arms about wind turbines killing birds?

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Speaker 1: It's double standards. Len says, what about all the native

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Speaker 1: animals killed in Maine buy cars and trucks every year?

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do to put a curfew

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Speaker 1: on them too? And this one anonymously has come through

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Speaker 1: a heap of attachments with it saying, have a look

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Speaker 1: at our neighbour's cats on our property. Look at the

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Speaker 1: sprayed security doors back in front our pagola furniture covered

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Speaker 1: for the last four months to protect it. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: And I've had a quick look at the photos. Indeed

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Speaker 1: you can. And we've got a cat. Well, we had

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Speaker 1: a cat, a tom cat that lived near us, owned

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Speaker 1: by an orderly bachelor who I think had that reputation

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Speaker 1: himself in his younger days. So I'm led to understand,

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Speaker 1: didn't have the cat, knew you should, and didn't believe

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Speaker 1: in that, and so the cat would leave its mark

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Speaker 1: this tom on our doors all over the house. Had

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Speaker 1: to get Puss off and try all sorts of different things.

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Speaker 1: Pepper seemed to work, but every time we forgot to

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Speaker 1: do it regularly, the cat would come back.

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Speaker 3: But there you go.

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Speaker 1: There are solutions to it, but yes, you've got to

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Speaker 1: be on it to dissuade them, and it seems permanently