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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Clink Season nineteen. We are very

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Speaker 1: we're grateful to have sord By Surf has been a

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Speaker 1: Shape Sideway Surf and myself I've worked together on so

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Speaker 1: one into the new year. Today's guests. He's a heavy hitter,

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Speaker 1: he's larger than life and a man that doesn't take

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Speaker 1: He is a heavyweight boxer and he's been in the

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Speaker 1: an absolute pleasure to have you on here, Troy Pilcher.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Brenda's awful to me and man, appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: It's it's something that I've wanted to do. And we've

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Speaker 1: C Dan for those that don't know, who was a

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Speaker 1: the fighting sporting it's not really m m a is.

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Speaker 3: It's happening to evolve the sport of fighting right like

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Speaker 1: Would you would you straight up would you have a crack?

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Speaker 3: I think these days I'm kind of a little more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And without further ado, mate, this is yours,

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Jellen. I was born in Yellen,

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Speaker 3: don't remember. I think that's a brotherhood like being part

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Speaker 3: We've been around your friends and your brothers like your

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. When did you sort of start to

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Speaker 1: Where where was that? Out of Was that a combat?

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't you read carry dartin with the with the coach there? Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think it was pretty a little bit too early

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Speaker 3: And like I remember my last fight, I just got

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Speaker 1: They weren't used to seeing that sort of thing, ain't

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Speaker 3: Like it's just all chained, like you're playing the game

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Speaker 3: Five spoty me, man, that I'll do exactly that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, moved into boxing. They had a few amateur

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Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of respect and time for him. Yeah, no,

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00:21:32,201 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: we Yeah, definitely someone that I hold in high regard

434
00:21:36,441 --> 00:21:38,521
Speaker 1: and uh and I think many do. And in the

435
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,521
Speaker 1: industry of like boxing, a man who does that not

436
00:21:42,681 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: man not notice you know what I mean?

437
00:21:44,201 --> 00:21:49,521
Speaker 3: Like yeah, wow, massive, massive personality, like massive, Right, you're

438
00:21:49,521 --> 00:21:51,281
Speaker 3: going to be coughing a lot of ship like it

439
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: should be a loud and he'll be humiliated bones and

440
00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna he's gonna put it on you too and

441
00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:58,521
Speaker 3: expect the best from you in every year of your life. Right. So,

442
00:22:00,041 --> 00:22:04,961
Speaker 3: and then obviously his network and he's giving his giving

443
00:22:05,561 --> 00:22:09,441
Speaker 3: personality to you. It just gives everything everything. He's got

444
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,481
Speaker 3: an absolutely human he is. So I spent a long time,

445
00:22:14,441 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: most of the second half of my career with Fidel.

446
00:22:17,441 --> 00:22:21,241
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then yeah, I had some pretty fun

447
00:22:21,281 --> 00:22:21,881
Speaker 3: fights with him.

448
00:22:22,521 --> 00:22:24,521
Speaker 1: Let's have a talk about that. For a minute, because

449
00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:29,281
Speaker 1: you really did take on some big challenges. You know,

450
00:22:29,441 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: when I talk big. For those that don't know Troy,

451
00:22:33,721 --> 00:22:36,881
Speaker 1: just googly his name. He's just a tower of men.

452
00:22:36,921 --> 00:22:38,561
Speaker 1: What are you six four now?

453
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: Sort of anyways, I'm six too, six two Okay, No,

454
00:22:46,321 --> 00:22:48,001
Speaker 3: you're right actually in saying that.

455
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 1: I always and when I was a lot bigger on

456
00:22:50,521 --> 00:22:53,281
Speaker 1: the super heavyweight, I'd weighing one thirty one thirty five

457
00:22:53,961 --> 00:22:57,241
Speaker 1: and I was small in my tireshup, Like I was small.

458
00:22:57,521 --> 00:22:59,561
Speaker 1: You'd stand there at the face off and my hands

459
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,001
Speaker 1: were like just babies hands compared to some of the

460
00:23:02,041 --> 00:23:03,041
Speaker 1: other places i'body standing.

461
00:23:03,041 --> 00:23:03,201
Speaker 3: Ag.

462
00:23:04,441 --> 00:23:11,481
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for me. People don't understand, you know the

463
00:23:11,721 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: size of some of these amazing humans. And you are

464
00:23:16,041 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: not a small man by any mean. Do You're like

465
00:23:18,201 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: I've seen you in person from a distance, and you

466
00:23:22,001 --> 00:23:24,481
Speaker 1: stand out. You're a You're a big strong man that

467
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,481
Speaker 1: can actually put his hands together. It's impressive, plenty of

468
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,921
Speaker 1: a beg, big head, big.

469
00:23:34,441 --> 00:23:41,761
Speaker 3: That's what you always said, they would stand out. But

470
00:23:41,921 --> 00:23:44,561
Speaker 3: you I've got Dency McKain right Like I stand next

471
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,041
Speaker 3: to him, I'll be sparring him, and I just feel

472
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,041
Speaker 3: like a bloody magic mate.

473
00:23:48,801 --> 00:23:51,561
Speaker 1: How was that sparring someone like Dempsey, because that's another

474
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,801
Speaker 1: man that is just a beast of a man. Especially Wow.

475
00:23:56,441 --> 00:24:00,161
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's have some power, he does if it's some skill,

476
00:24:00,241 --> 00:24:02,521
Speaker 3: he's got experience, he's got the whole package. Right, He's

477
00:24:02,761 --> 00:24:04,681
Speaker 3: been there on the biggest shows in the world. That's

478
00:24:04,721 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: not the biggest show of Saudi, right, yep. I mean

479
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: in a way, it shows you where you are, like

480
00:24:11,801 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: like on that pink and order, whether it's far or

481
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,881
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, you usually doing well, you're having

482
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,481
Speaker 3: a good crapit and it's some good shots you know,

483
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,281
Speaker 3: or maybe him, and often your your confidence goes up

484
00:24:22,281 --> 00:24:24,881
Speaker 3: a little bit more. But like maybe he'd always work

485
00:24:24,921 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: with you really well. He would hurt, yeah, but then

486
00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:30,481
Speaker 3: he would pull back and then you know, let you

487
00:24:30,961 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: kind of go a little bit.

488
00:24:33,241 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: So he was someone that you would generally bring into

489
00:24:35,681 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: camp prior to your fighting for sparring.

490
00:24:38,241 --> 00:24:40,401
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there was he was in our

491
00:24:40,921 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 3: team for maybe two or three years. This boy he

492
00:24:44,761 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: moved on from up quite yep. So yeah, I was

493
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,321
Speaker 3: working with him with quite a lot, whether it will

494
00:24:51,321 --> 00:24:54,561
Speaker 3: be drilling or whether we're doing like conditioning sessions or whatnot.

495
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,041
Speaker 3: So it was it was a privilege to work with

496
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 3: him as well, got to kind of really get a

497
00:25:00,481 --> 00:25:02,001
Speaker 3: taste of of that level.

498
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: Right.

499
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: So I think as soon as he came back from

500
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,041
Speaker 3: the UK working over with Tonya and the UK, you

501
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:08,681
Speaker 3: came to a gym.

502
00:25:09,001 --> 00:25:11,761
Speaker 1: People don't realize, you know, they say, I was just sparring,

503
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, sparring. Sparring is also sometimes it can be

504
00:25:18,481 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: worse than fighting on the day, like because you know,

505
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,761
Speaker 1: like you get two bulls, like you two guys in there,

506
00:25:24,241 --> 00:25:26,041
Speaker 1: especially when you want to push each other and you

507
00:25:26,201 --> 00:25:28,281
Speaker 1: need to feel each other. You need to prepare for

508
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: what's coming because you're not fighting smiming, you are up

509
00:25:31,201 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: against other giants that have got power, skill, you know,

510
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,321
Speaker 1: that are really there to take your head clean off. You.

511
00:25:39,441 --> 00:25:41,561
Speaker 1: Therefore need to step it up. Like for the average

512
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,281
Speaker 1: Joe that goes in there and just gets through the

513
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: rounds and has a little tap around, you know, it

514
00:25:45,441 --> 00:25:47,321
Speaker 1: moves around, it's a little bit of sweat and heart

515
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,041
Speaker 1: rate up, that's all good and well, like that's that's fine.

516
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: But for you guys, there has to be a certain

517
00:25:52,721 --> 00:25:54,001
Speaker 1: level you need to step up to.

518
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,721
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean I think it's probably one of

519
00:25:56,761 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: the few combat sports where you like a lot of

520
00:25:59,241 --> 00:26:02,561
Speaker 3: the time you kind of go on hundred percentously. Obviously

521
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: you're not like even in a fight, you're never going

522
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: to be thrown beat bombs all the time. But you're

523
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: the rulers for most boxing gyms as you you know,

524
00:26:11,001 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: you spy the way you fight, So yeah, you're you're

525
00:26:13,201 --> 00:26:15,721
Speaker 3: you're taking those big shots and looked up the head

526
00:26:15,761 --> 00:26:18,441
Speaker 3: gear and it only really stops like cuts and broke

527
00:26:18,481 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: all the bones really meant it. If anything, I think

528
00:26:21,481 --> 00:26:23,521
Speaker 3: studies have come out now there where in here you

529
00:26:23,561 --> 00:26:26,241
Speaker 3: can make those concussions even worse because your head's just

530
00:26:26,281 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: getting kind of rock back and you hit the biggest

531
00:26:28,721 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: there's the biggest, bigger target. So yeah, it's it's pretty

532
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,041
Speaker 3: grow and pretty intense.

533
00:26:33,681 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is. And I think too, I

534
00:26:35,441 --> 00:26:38,801
Speaker 1: think you know, like you can really gain a lot

535
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,041
Speaker 1: of confidence obviously knowing like you said, leveling where your

536
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:45,121
Speaker 1: gauge is, as opposed to sort of going, oh, I'm

537
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: a bit out of my reach at the moment. Maybe

538
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: I need to to switch it up and grow a

539
00:26:49,241 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: little bit more before I step back in against such

540
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,241
Speaker 1: a competitive sort of person or someone of a certain caliber.

541
00:26:56,521 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: It's it can very much humble, you can't it.

542
00:26:59,241 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like I always thought there was a

543
00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:03,761
Speaker 3: good like you need a bit of a balance, Like

544
00:27:03,801 --> 00:27:07,801
Speaker 3: you needed like guys at your level, just below your

545
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,761
Speaker 3: level where you could kind of work on things a

546
00:27:10,801 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: little bit more, and then you need to spa those

547
00:27:12,961 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: good guys where they're kind of exposed where you kind

548
00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:17,961
Speaker 3: of lacking, right, Yeah, And like you don't want to

549
00:27:18,001 --> 00:27:19,761
Speaker 3: be sparrying the big guy all the time. I can

550
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,321
Speaker 3: go all the time because you just got all these

551
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,481
Speaker 3: confidences and you're just going to get beaten up. Then

552
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 3: you can't be sprying you know, the wicked guys like

553
00:27:26,281 --> 00:27:27,841
Speaker 3: too much because you're just going to get too big

554
00:27:27,921 --> 00:27:30,001
Speaker 3: for yourself and you know you're not really going to

555
00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:32,241
Speaker 3: be exposed when you need to be.

556
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: You you got tested. You're tested, all right. You jumped

557
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,521
Speaker 1: in with Justice, honey, didn't you.

558
00:27:38,281 --> 00:27:39,721
Speaker 3: Yeah that was a fun one, man.

559
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,961
Speaker 6: I want him to talk about. I was moving house

560
00:27:45,241 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 6: and I got a call from Fidel and he's laughing,

561
00:27:48,761 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 6: like he's laughing.

562
00:27:50,721 --> 00:27:52,241
Speaker 3: He's like, I got an lougher for you.

563
00:27:52,761 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: What is it.

564
00:27:55,201 --> 00:27:57,561
Speaker 3: That Justice Hardy? And I just started pressing myself and

565
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,441
Speaker 3: then my first question was how much the help.

566
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: Price on this one?

567
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: He offered, He offered this one of the price, and

568
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: I said, Bucket, lit'ten the crack. I wan's to lose here.

569
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,521
Speaker 3: I mean we're getting We're going to the sport, I

570
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: think doing it. We're doing anything in life for experiences. Right,

571
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,961
Speaker 3: it's big bitten, one of the best review works in

572
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: the world. What what more could you want from? You know,

573
00:28:23,721 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: I was never a big amateur or anything. How this is?

574
00:28:27,521 --> 00:28:29,761
Speaker 3: This is the massive opportunities, I said, Bucket, I straight away.

575
00:28:29,801 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: So he called back Nick Francis for a couple of

576
00:28:31,721 --> 00:28:36,321
Speaker 3: minutes and couldn't believe it. So, yeah, it was booking

577
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,681
Speaker 3: the decision now on, but the whole experience was unreal. Mate.

578
00:28:39,241 --> 00:28:42,161
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those that aren't familiar, like, just google Justice

579
00:28:42,161 --> 00:28:44,401
Speaker 1: s winning. I think that's about all you need to do.

580
00:28:44,841 --> 00:28:46,641
Speaker 1: And if you want to see his highlight reel, then

581
00:28:47,241 --> 00:28:51,201
Speaker 1: go for it. You'll realize the sort of steel nuts

582
00:28:51,241 --> 00:28:54,161
Speaker 1: Troy has by taking that fight in some short nervous

583
00:28:55,161 --> 00:28:58,401
Speaker 1: with the reply was instant. As you said, it shows

584
00:28:58,441 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: a lot of character and I guess now as to

585
00:29:01,561 --> 00:29:03,601
Speaker 1: who you are as a man, and you know it

586
00:29:03,721 --> 00:29:07,721
Speaker 1: obviously goes back to you as a man, young boy

587
00:29:07,841 --> 00:29:10,561
Speaker 1: growing up the way he did, you know, I guess

588
00:29:10,681 --> 00:29:15,561
Speaker 1: holding that level of respect and knowing that these are

589
00:29:15,641 --> 00:29:18,561
Speaker 1: the things in life that help you propel forward in

590
00:29:18,681 --> 00:29:22,121
Speaker 1: whatever journey it may be for you. You chose boxing,

591
00:29:22,241 --> 00:29:24,281
Speaker 1: so to become the best, you would have to fight

592
00:29:24,521 --> 00:29:26,961
Speaker 1: the best of that time or at those times that

593
00:29:27,041 --> 00:29:29,401
Speaker 1: were presented to you. What was some of the other

594
00:29:29,801 --> 00:29:32,681
Speaker 1: fighters that you were offered and fought.

595
00:29:34,081 --> 00:29:38,521
Speaker 3: Well both Here was definitely the biggest, biggest fight. Yeah.

596
00:29:38,641 --> 00:29:41,401
Speaker 3: I never really got offered a lot of fights locally,

597
00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:45,161
Speaker 3: like within Australia, which I found very surprising. I don't

598
00:29:45,161 --> 00:29:49,881
Speaker 3: know why I always wanted to fight. And keep it

599
00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:52,441
Speaker 3: in mind, that's no disrespect because I've actually had got

600
00:29:52,441 --> 00:29:55,361
Speaker 3: a good relationship with a lot of pretty much all

601
00:29:55,361 --> 00:29:57,881
Speaker 3: the Australian heavyweights. Like we always message. We're always talking

602
00:29:57,921 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: as Mentosi for example, we're talking about fighting each other

603
00:30:02,001 --> 00:30:04,041
Speaker 3: all the time, and in a friendly way, you know,

604
00:30:04,241 --> 00:30:07,681
Speaker 3: and then saying with Chris Tezierski as well, my last apponent,

605
00:30:07,841 --> 00:30:11,441
Speaker 3: like we were laughing, you know that throughout the help

606
00:30:11,561 --> 00:30:12,721
Speaker 3: read that when are we going to get this done?

607
00:30:13,121 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: And we obviously spar and then we talk about it

608
00:30:15,241 --> 00:30:20,041
Speaker 3: after this. Cret Steven Iivich is another one I would

609
00:30:20,081 --> 00:30:23,881
Speaker 3: have want to fight. Thought he's another great boxer locally.

610
00:30:23,921 --> 00:30:25,601
Speaker 3: I think he's got a big future of it. Man,

611
00:30:26,881 --> 00:30:28,801
Speaker 3: But yeah, there weren't too many offers.

612
00:30:29,121 --> 00:30:31,241
Speaker 1: What do you think about young Alex Leopa?

613
00:30:31,961 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: Oh, man, I was then to fight the other night?

614
00:30:34,401 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like.

615
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:37,761
Speaker 1: I've seen just assured of it before.

616
00:30:37,561 --> 00:30:39,161
Speaker 3: And I was just like, not that.

617
00:30:39,281 --> 00:30:41,521
Speaker 1: I've been up the Nuggets gym when he's been training

618
00:30:41,601 --> 00:30:44,601
Speaker 1: up there, I've stood next to him when he's hitting

619
00:30:44,681 --> 00:30:46,801
Speaker 1: the bag, and I've got to be honest and say,

620
00:30:47,881 --> 00:30:49,801
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't I think I learned. I think

621
00:30:49,801 --> 00:30:53,521
Speaker 1: it was sixteen, still sixteen and seventeen. And the power

622
00:30:53,641 --> 00:30:57,721
Speaker 1: that would come from that mean scenes you would hear

623
00:30:57,841 --> 00:31:01,721
Speaker 1: the bag just bo it was like a bomb and

624
00:31:02,801 --> 00:31:05,681
Speaker 1: you couldn't help but just stand there in all and

625
00:31:05,841 --> 00:31:09,081
Speaker 1: look and just go. I would hate standing in front

626
00:31:09,121 --> 00:31:12,641
Speaker 1: of this young like, I really would. Personally. I just

627
00:31:12,761 --> 00:31:16,241
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, there's something unique about that young man.

628
00:31:16,801 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: I think what I see with Alis is just like

629
00:31:19,561 --> 00:31:22,121
Speaker 3: his professional attitude. Obviously it comes from his old man

630
00:31:22,481 --> 00:31:26,761
Speaker 3: and obviously been around Dave Naker and obviously the like

631
00:31:26,841 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: in form Brews down there, like they're just thorough winners, right.

632
00:31:30,201 --> 00:31:32,881
Speaker 3: I think he's just he's got that mentality there, which

633
00:31:32,961 --> 00:31:36,241
Speaker 3: is the first thing you need. But he's in confident,

634
00:31:36,441 --> 00:31:38,801
Speaker 3: like as he goes on, like he's really haven't in

635
00:31:38,841 --> 00:31:41,401
Speaker 3: the bag. It's easy at the bag, but doing it

636
00:31:41,481 --> 00:31:44,241
Speaker 3: in a fight's different. And he's slowly really stunts to

637
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:47,481
Speaker 3: just trust that that you know that power and just

638
00:31:47,601 --> 00:31:49,681
Speaker 3: leitting his hands go a bit more so, and like

639
00:31:49,881 --> 00:31:52,001
Speaker 3: I think obviously being part of like a smart team,

640
00:31:52,361 --> 00:31:54,321
Speaker 3: which he is, like they're just going to take him

641
00:31:54,321 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: slowly and he's going to feel that confident. He's so

642
00:31:56,681 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 3: young and he's I wouldn't want to be standing in

643
00:32:00,281 --> 00:32:00,961
Speaker 3: front of him.

644
00:32:01,081 --> 00:32:02,881
Speaker 1: I was just about to say, have you been have

645
00:32:03,041 --> 00:32:04,721
Speaker 1: you been invited to spare him at all?

646
00:32:05,641 --> 00:32:10,601
Speaker 3: I never know. I've never smarted. I've seeing them spim

647
00:32:10,641 --> 00:32:12,561
Speaker 3: I've seen Twitty spying what.

648
00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:15,081
Speaker 1: Was damp slow sparing him. That would have been interesting,

649
00:32:15,241 --> 00:32:16,641
Speaker 1: that would have been crazy to watch.

650
00:32:16,801 --> 00:32:19,361
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so fun because obviously didn't. He likes

651
00:32:19,361 --> 00:32:21,281
Speaker 3: to keep a long range and even though quite a

652
00:32:21,281 --> 00:32:24,601
Speaker 3: big dude, he likes shutting down Yeah, he shut down

653
00:32:24,641 --> 00:32:26,601
Speaker 3: at this and love playing the inside dropping it like

654
00:32:26,721 --> 00:32:29,401
Speaker 3: there's a short liver shots. This is I think what

655
00:32:29,561 --> 00:32:31,401
Speaker 3: I've seen that it's the one he likes throwing them.

656
00:32:31,841 --> 00:32:34,081
Speaker 3: He drew a lot the other night too, So yeah,

657
00:32:34,081 --> 00:32:36,681
Speaker 3: it was as a fun. It's a it's a boxing fan,

658
00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:38,801
Speaker 3: you know, like during the watch where you're gonna go

659
00:32:38,841 --> 00:32:41,081
Speaker 3: like trying to run and crack him on the outside

660
00:32:41,121 --> 00:32:44,361
Speaker 3: and you know they pushing the pace. Yeah, that's cool.

661
00:32:45,361 --> 00:32:48,121
Speaker 1: I you know, I often sit back and I look

662
00:32:48,161 --> 00:32:51,361
Speaker 1: and I think, oh wow, you know if only you

663
00:32:51,441 --> 00:32:53,401
Speaker 1: know what I mean, and everyone's looks like anyone you know,

664
00:32:53,481 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: if you work hard something, you you can do anything

665
00:32:56,521 --> 00:32:57,921
Speaker 1: you can put your mind. I mean there's things I've

666
00:32:57,921 --> 00:33:00,921
Speaker 1: achieved in my life people will never do, and I'm

667
00:33:01,041 --> 00:33:03,681
Speaker 1: very proud of that. But for me, as I will

668
00:33:03,721 --> 00:33:05,721
Speaker 1: say it again, I'm not a box of asshole. But

669
00:33:05,921 --> 00:33:09,241
Speaker 1: you know, like I've always I don't know, I've always wondered,

670
00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, what I would you like

671
00:33:11,561 --> 00:33:13,801
Speaker 1: to actually just have a boxing bait, not not not

672
00:33:14,001 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: not a limbs and you know, throwing legs, elbows and knees,

673
00:33:17,521 --> 00:33:22,281
Speaker 1: but just just your hands. I find it personally very frustrating,

674
00:33:22,321 --> 00:33:26,361
Speaker 1: and I've tried to put myself in vulnerable positions where

675
00:33:26,401 --> 00:33:28,561
Speaker 1: I have no choice but to learn to box. You know,

676
00:33:28,721 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: you've got you just got to hold your hands up

677
00:33:30,921 --> 00:33:36,401
Speaker 1: and trow them straight. And it's it's just something that

678
00:33:37,521 --> 00:33:40,241
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people understand the time

679
00:33:40,401 --> 00:33:43,801
Speaker 1: and discipline that goes into the sport and what it

680
00:33:43,921 --> 00:33:45,081
Speaker 1: takes out of your lifestyle.

681
00:33:46,601 --> 00:33:49,481
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always like what Boy made with us is

682
00:33:49,561 --> 00:33:53,161
Speaker 3: start of boxing, Like it's just it's, yeah, you can

683
00:33:53,201 --> 00:33:55,041
Speaker 3: anyone can throw a punch, right, but it's just this

684
00:33:55,321 --> 00:33:57,881
Speaker 3: fine little techniques that really kind of make boxing what

685
00:33:57,961 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: it is that they're officially a high level. Like as

686
00:34:01,001 --> 00:34:02,961
Speaker 3: an amateur, most of the most amateurs are talks of

687
00:34:03,081 --> 00:34:05,961
Speaker 3: is stay long, stayl on your feet, the fundamentals, like

688
00:34:06,121 --> 00:34:08,681
Speaker 3: you need to have those. But as you go on

689
00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:11,561
Speaker 3: you start learning obviously the dark house of boxing, right

690
00:34:11,601 --> 00:34:14,121
Speaker 3: where you kind of drop an elbow, but it's the

691
00:34:14,161 --> 00:34:18,681
Speaker 3: face black, but you want to.

692
00:34:19,241 --> 00:34:23,321
Speaker 1: Man mate coming back, you know, the hard part of

693
00:34:23,321 --> 00:34:23,641
Speaker 1: the glove.

694
00:34:23,681 --> 00:34:26,401
Speaker 3: I would just tapping the airs and so like yeah,

695
00:34:30,601 --> 00:34:33,961
Speaker 3: a little inside slap your record, but even just like

696
00:34:34,081 --> 00:34:36,041
Speaker 3: tying up and get on the inside and playing with

697
00:34:36,121 --> 00:34:40,761
Speaker 3: their hands a bit. Uh, it's just how you even

698
00:34:40,801 --> 00:34:44,161
Speaker 3: throw a right handed maybe many different variations. One thing

699
00:34:44,241 --> 00:34:46,161
Speaker 3: that taught me was even just like that instead of

700
00:34:46,201 --> 00:34:48,641
Speaker 3: just on on that straight shot, kind of like looping

701
00:34:48,681 --> 00:34:53,081
Speaker 3: over the top. And I've got hates with that one. Yeah,

702
00:34:53,121 --> 00:34:56,561
Speaker 3: it's just I thought some little techniques and variations you

703
00:34:56,601 --> 00:34:57,681
Speaker 3: can do and different stuff.

704
00:34:58,441 --> 00:34:59,641
Speaker 1: Hey, he's the Huntsman hippie.

705
00:35:00,201 --> 00:35:00,401
Speaker 3: Yeah.

706
00:35:00,481 --> 00:35:03,281
Speaker 1: Man, he's cred A big name from South now, isn't

707
00:35:03,321 --> 00:35:05,001
Speaker 1: he he has. I've had him on the Clink Act.

708
00:35:05,321 --> 00:35:07,801
Speaker 1: I had him on last season and it was a

709
00:35:07,881 --> 00:35:09,961
Speaker 1: pleasure to have him on. It was just after his

710
00:35:11,281 --> 00:35:12,241
Speaker 1: first been up to fight.

711
00:35:12,281 --> 00:35:15,161
Speaker 3: I believe he's done. He's done extream well.

712
00:35:15,481 --> 00:35:18,601
Speaker 1: Maybe he's done well, and he's basically just taken his

713
00:35:18,761 --> 00:35:21,241
Speaker 1: own road and promoted himself to get to a level

714
00:35:21,281 --> 00:35:24,241
Speaker 1: where somebody took notice of him and seeing the potential

715
00:35:24,281 --> 00:35:28,601
Speaker 1: that he had. You guys fought two years three years ago.

716
00:35:29,281 --> 00:35:31,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had two fights. He had one.

717
00:35:31,761 --> 00:35:35,161
Speaker 1: You dropped him once, didn't it in the second round?

718
00:35:35,281 --> 00:35:38,321
Speaker 3: Was it first? So our first our first fight was

719
00:35:38,361 --> 00:35:42,161
Speaker 3: a draw. Yeah. The second fight was on the Limit show.

720
00:35:42,721 --> 00:35:44,561
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember seeing I was at the pub.

721
00:35:48,081 --> 00:35:53,881
Speaker 3: Victor. You were, Yes, that was that was a fun

722
00:35:53,921 --> 00:35:56,081
Speaker 3: one because obviously kind of that was probably the only

723
00:35:56,161 --> 00:35:59,641
Speaker 3: fight that there's real animosity. I think I've always been

724
00:35:59,681 --> 00:36:02,201
Speaker 3: friends with all my opponents, have been in good terms

725
00:36:02,241 --> 00:36:03,521
Speaker 3: with the wall, but this was the first one that

726
00:36:03,641 --> 00:36:04,961
Speaker 3: was really like and he had not.

727
00:36:05,441 --> 00:36:07,961
Speaker 1: Out So did you to have a bit of a

728
00:36:08,041 --> 00:36:10,641
Speaker 1: personal grudge for some real Is it just he just

729
00:36:10,801 --> 00:36:13,481
Speaker 1: didn't click with each other, or well, we're.

730
00:36:13,281 --> 00:36:15,441
Speaker 3: All good in the first fight, but I don't know

731
00:36:15,521 --> 00:36:17,521
Speaker 3: the second one. I think that like we both thought that,

732
00:36:18,121 --> 00:36:21,321
Speaker 3: you know, we should have won for hour whatever whatever reasons.

733
00:36:21,361 --> 00:36:23,521
Speaker 3: And then you know, I think, just like any mean,

734
00:36:23,561 --> 00:36:25,201
Speaker 3: like we need to kind of establish w we stand

735
00:36:25,201 --> 00:36:27,201
Speaker 3: with each other, right, and at that point we both

736
00:36:27,241 --> 00:36:31,321
Speaker 3: had different thingings on that, and yeah, so there was

737
00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:33,281
Speaker 3: obviously a bit of backance imports to the socials and

738
00:36:33,561 --> 00:36:35,721
Speaker 3: it was fun. It's fun for everyone because I had

739
00:36:35,761 --> 00:36:37,041
Speaker 3: a lot of friends. We have a lot of mutual

740
00:36:37,081 --> 00:36:39,761
Speaker 3: friends and output insides or like I have friends that

741
00:36:39,801 --> 00:36:42,321
Speaker 3: would be friends of another guy that was friends with him,

742
00:36:42,361 --> 00:36:44,601
Speaker 3: and then a whole lot of friendships were broken up

743
00:36:44,601 --> 00:36:48,041
Speaker 3: over a day. I mean, I know, I just it's

744
00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:51,121
Speaker 3: a bit sad, but it just shows your attension that

745
00:36:51,241 --> 00:36:53,121
Speaker 3: kind of that was involved with that.

746
00:36:53,401 --> 00:36:53,601
Speaker 1: Yeah.

747
00:36:54,481 --> 00:36:57,681
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was a fun one when when I

748
00:36:57,761 --> 00:37:00,281
Speaker 3: got that win. Like I think most fights, you fight

749
00:37:00,401 --> 00:37:03,121
Speaker 3: with one, I feel I have that like outs person

750
00:37:03,121 --> 00:37:06,001
Speaker 3: of emotion over a day or two and then I'll

751
00:37:06,241 --> 00:37:07,921
Speaker 3: come back at you like almost like a like a

752
00:37:08,001 --> 00:37:11,921
Speaker 3: drug extreme prize and then just a big draft. But

753
00:37:12,041 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: but then when I was I was like ecstatical four

754
00:37:14,481 --> 00:37:16,801
Speaker 3: weeks on the end, I just felt so good. Yeah,

755
00:37:16,841 --> 00:37:19,041
Speaker 3: it was awesome, but all respected him at the end

756
00:37:19,041 --> 00:37:19,681
Speaker 3: of the day, right.

757
00:37:19,641 --> 00:37:22,121
Speaker 1: And big shout out to Hayes and keep on that journey. Brother,

758
00:37:22,161 --> 00:37:25,281
Speaker 1: you're doing good. You're standing up for the Kiwis and

759
00:37:25,281 --> 00:37:28,161
Speaker 1: the Aussies and we're very proud of you. And he's

760
00:37:28,241 --> 00:37:30,521
Speaker 1: taken he's taken a hard road. Let's just say that

761
00:37:30,721 --> 00:37:34,641
Speaker 1: he's not taking an easy route, you know, and he's

762
00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:36,801
Speaker 1: got to work for it. He's rarely go.

763
00:37:38,961 --> 00:37:39,081
Speaker 3: Right.

764
00:37:39,401 --> 00:37:42,401
Speaker 1: I was crazy. I was crazy, you know, like, and

765
00:37:42,561 --> 00:37:45,961
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, he would have continued like

766
00:37:46,361 --> 00:37:48,121
Speaker 1: and I think that he would have ended up getting

767
00:37:48,281 --> 00:37:51,561
Speaker 1: the win to just he had that bloke buckled and

768
00:37:51,761 --> 00:37:55,281
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear cut. I mean, the guy came back. Obviously,

769
00:37:55,401 --> 00:37:58,401
Speaker 1: doctor steps in and you know as it goes it's

770
00:37:58,601 --> 00:37:59,961
Speaker 1: in the best interest of the fighter.

771
00:38:00,081 --> 00:38:06,121
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was stopping to do that sport man.

772
00:38:06,201 --> 00:38:08,201
Speaker 3: It's the it's the cuts I think for me for

773
00:38:08,281 --> 00:38:09,881
Speaker 3: that one, and the hands, like I've I've got a

774
00:38:09,921 --> 00:38:12,881
Speaker 3: few hand problems from obviously something probably scuted through punch

775
00:38:12,961 --> 00:38:15,961
Speaker 3: neck on the road the game, but it developed his eye.

776
00:38:16,041 --> 00:38:18,161
Speaker 3: Geno was one another one. I broke my hand on

777
00:38:18,241 --> 00:38:20,761
Speaker 3: my hand. He butts your hand as ye as you

778
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:25,001
Speaker 3: thrown punches at him. So another time. Yeah, Big Jeer

779
00:38:25,641 --> 00:38:26,401
Speaker 3: is then other animal.

780
00:38:26,801 --> 00:38:29,201
Speaker 1: Yeah that he's one of Jamie Moyers boys.

781
00:38:29,281 --> 00:38:32,121
Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to be like a few years ago,

782
00:38:32,281 --> 00:38:32,521
Speaker 3: but it.

783
00:38:32,721 --> 00:38:35,121
Speaker 1: Was Jamie was promoting. I remember seeing him always on

784
00:38:35,281 --> 00:38:36,081
Speaker 1: Jamie's cards.

785
00:38:36,881 --> 00:38:39,041
Speaker 3: Yeah, early on his career. It was on Jamis quite

786
00:38:39,041 --> 00:38:41,881
Speaker 3: a bit and he hits a big He thought pretty

787
00:38:41,881 --> 00:38:43,881
Speaker 3: well against Justice, I think on just his debut.

788
00:38:46,401 --> 00:38:50,361
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now is he backing his Ziller.

789
00:38:51,361 --> 00:38:54,481
Speaker 3: No, he's up in Brisbane. Yeah, he's back in the gym.

790
00:38:55,321 --> 00:39:00,201
Speaker 3: I saw him not too longer. He's he's back in

791
00:39:00,241 --> 00:39:02,161
Speaker 3: the gym, trying to cut the pick up the pounds

792
00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:03,961
Speaker 3: off of the last couple of years where.

793
00:39:03,761 --> 00:39:09,321
Speaker 1: He Fuck, yeah, that's the thing. Once you start sort

794
00:39:09,361 --> 00:39:11,361
Speaker 1: of getting into that weight cut sort of thing, the

795
00:39:11,481 --> 00:39:14,401
Speaker 1: discipline tastes I think, you know, as a heavyweight or

796
00:39:14,641 --> 00:39:17,001
Speaker 1: super heavyweight as they call it, I mean, heavyweight is

797
00:39:17,041 --> 00:39:19,201
Speaker 1: sort of got to be under that one hundred really

798
00:39:20,041 --> 00:39:23,801
Speaker 1: ninety what is it? So?

799
00:39:23,881 --> 00:39:27,801
Speaker 3: Heavyweight ninety one is cruise all weight, So anything over

800
00:39:27,881 --> 00:39:32,401
Speaker 3: there is most walk around anywhere from about hundred and

801
00:39:32,401 --> 00:39:34,241
Speaker 3: five to one hundred and fifty twenty.

802
00:39:35,201 --> 00:39:37,841
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on these heavyweights in the world today, Like,

803
00:39:37,961 --> 00:39:40,001
Speaker 1: I mean, without going into too much because this is

804
00:39:40,041 --> 00:39:42,721
Speaker 1: obviously your story, but I'm curious on your opinion, especially

805
00:39:42,761 --> 00:39:45,081
Speaker 1: as someone who's been in the ring with some serious

806
00:39:45,121 --> 00:39:48,281
Speaker 1: contenders and you yourself being you know, a very very

807
00:39:48,521 --> 00:39:53,801
Speaker 1: crafty fighter. Where do you see the heavyweights as it

808
00:39:54,001 --> 00:39:54,321
Speaker 1: is now?

809
00:39:54,881 --> 00:39:58,161
Speaker 3: I think the craft is the best word for a

810
00:39:58,241 --> 00:40:01,441
Speaker 3: guy that octop too was so lucky, Yeah, because he

811
00:40:01,601 --> 00:40:03,601
Speaker 3: wasn't like he came up from cruiserweight, and he didn't

812
00:40:03,601 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: really put too much size on, Like he didn't try

813
00:40:05,481 --> 00:40:07,561
Speaker 3: to be like the other big guys a lot shorter,

814
00:40:08,481 --> 00:40:11,081
Speaker 3: and he used that skill and technique and footwork to

815
00:40:11,161 --> 00:40:13,321
Speaker 3: kind of you know beat like guys like Toys and

816
00:40:13,401 --> 00:40:19,681
Speaker 3: Fury and Anthony Joshua. These guys kind of just I think, yeah,

817
00:40:19,921 --> 00:40:22,361
Speaker 3: like they kind of took over the game, just using

818
00:40:22,441 --> 00:40:28,881
Speaker 3: that the size for themselves. But yeah, like I mean

819
00:40:29,481 --> 00:40:31,641
Speaker 3: I thought it's fun. Like I thought that like custom

820
00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:34,841
Speaker 3: Fury that they bought, you know, the headway boxing back

821
00:40:34,841 --> 00:40:37,681
Speaker 3: into the world. I think I love his attitude. I

822
00:40:37,721 --> 00:40:40,601
Speaker 3: love like this as care three Now they kind of

823
00:40:41,121 --> 00:40:44,161
Speaker 3: the sign up, right, but like you go someone like

824
00:40:44,161 --> 00:40:46,521
Speaker 3: this if you're just a fun dude, doesn't really say much,

825
00:40:46,881 --> 00:40:48,601
Speaker 3: didn't talk a lot of crap, but as As just

826
00:40:48,681 --> 00:40:50,521
Speaker 3: shows it and his skills as well.

827
00:40:50,601 --> 00:40:55,481
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, his IQ is well above most very

828
00:40:55,681 --> 00:40:59,121
Speaker 1: very intelligent human you know. Like I actually listened to

829
00:40:59,241 --> 00:41:01,081
Speaker 1: him talk the other day, and I think, quite if

830
00:41:01,121 --> 00:41:03,601
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Anthony Joshua is getting in the gun into

831
00:41:03,641 --> 00:41:08,281
Speaker 1: camp together, I believe. I think it was Anthony Joshua,

832
00:41:08,881 --> 00:41:10,761
Speaker 1: and it was an interview about why they're doing it,

833
00:41:11,081 --> 00:41:14,081
Speaker 1: and they're trying to sharpen, you know, and I simple

834
00:41:14,121 --> 00:41:19,041
Speaker 1: as that sharpen each other's skills. They are going to

835
00:41:19,121 --> 00:41:23,081
Speaker 1: help each other, you know. I think Joshua enticed in

836
00:41:23,121 --> 00:41:27,801
Speaker 1: to fighting again. Aren't they something I think, sure, I

837
00:41:28,041 --> 00:41:28,561
Speaker 1: haven't heard that.

838
00:41:28,881 --> 00:41:31,481
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised that. I mean, before that that

839
00:41:31,561 --> 00:41:37,361
Speaker 3: did happen, I think Joshua was talking about fighting Jack Paul. Yeah,

840
00:41:38,361 --> 00:41:40,401
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a spectacle and like just

841
00:41:40,481 --> 00:41:42,161
Speaker 3: the kind of and it won't end up pattering. Who knows,

842
00:41:42,241 --> 00:41:45,121
Speaker 3: But yeah, they're strange.

843
00:41:45,601 --> 00:41:47,521
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't play much in it, and I've seen

844
00:41:47,601 --> 00:41:51,521
Speaker 1: one one little video and I looked and right, I

845
00:41:52,401 --> 00:41:55,801
Speaker 1: just I just think it's a circus. But anyway, that's

846
00:41:55,881 --> 00:41:58,361
Speaker 1: just my opinion. And you know, that's one of those

847
00:41:58,401 --> 00:42:00,321
Speaker 1: things I guess that you know, people have got to

848
00:42:00,361 --> 00:42:02,561
Speaker 1: try and keep the interest. But I don't see why

849
00:42:02,641 --> 00:42:04,881
Speaker 1: we need to go down that path because we have quality.

850
00:42:05,641 --> 00:42:08,841
Speaker 1: The fights are exciting and the caliber of fighters that

851
00:42:08,881 --> 00:42:11,241
Speaker 1: are out there now and who's holding the hand up

852
00:42:11,281 --> 00:42:15,041
Speaker 1: for the heavyweights absolutely, like there's no two ways about it.

853
00:42:15,161 --> 00:42:18,161
Speaker 1: You you get your money's worth if you're you're out

854
00:42:18,201 --> 00:42:20,161
Speaker 1: there as a punter and you want to see something

855
00:42:20,281 --> 00:42:23,801
Speaker 1: that's even in Australia, you know, like, how do you

856
00:42:23,961 --> 00:42:27,721
Speaker 1: feel now? I guess because we'll get into it, but

857
00:42:28,081 --> 00:42:30,681
Speaker 1: you're on a completely different journey in the path today,

858
00:42:30,801 --> 00:42:34,321
Speaker 1: But how do you feel as somebody who's been at

859
00:42:34,361 --> 00:42:37,921
Speaker 1: a very high competitive level within the austrange heavyweight boxing

860
00:42:38,001 --> 00:42:40,881
Speaker 1: and then now seeing do you feel that if you

861
00:42:41,161 --> 00:42:43,561
Speaker 1: chose to, you could be competitive and get back in

862
00:42:43,681 --> 00:42:47,281
Speaker 1: there and you know, really sort of take it up

863
00:42:47,281 --> 00:42:47,641
Speaker 1: a notch.

864
00:42:48,361 --> 00:42:52,521
Speaker 3: But I haven't really been made an ounce for that

865
00:42:52,681 --> 00:42:54,721
Speaker 3: retired yet, but it could probably good good time to

866
00:42:55,041 --> 00:43:01,281
Speaker 3: kind of put it out there. Yeah, man, I've decided

867
00:43:01,441 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: pretty recently.

868
00:43:03,281 --> 00:43:05,881
Speaker 1: So this this is this is pretty well the first

869
00:43:06,321 --> 00:43:09,001
Speaker 1: real time you've Yeah, hopey.

870
00:43:09,241 --> 00:43:11,041
Speaker 3: It's a decision that's kind of been on my mind

871
00:43:11,041 --> 00:43:11,641
Speaker 3: for a little while.

872
00:43:11,881 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: Shit, I hope got in just pro young.

873
00:43:15,321 --> 00:43:16,801
Speaker 3: I thought I thought today would have been a good,

874
00:43:16,881 --> 00:43:17,721
Speaker 3: good kind of bring it up.

875
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:22,121
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, congratulations, bro, I have a stellar career, Like

876
00:43:22,241 --> 00:43:25,521
Speaker 1: I had no idea. And I'm actually a little bit

877
00:43:25,601 --> 00:43:28,761
Speaker 1: shocked because you're just still such a healthy young man

878
00:43:28,881 --> 00:43:31,321
Speaker 1: that now I know, I know where we're going to

879
00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:33,801
Speaker 1: go with this conversation in reference to what your goal

880
00:43:34,001 --> 00:43:36,921
Speaker 1: is now and pertinent. So I get it and it

881
00:43:37,041 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense and it will, I guess

882
00:43:39,481 --> 00:43:42,801
Speaker 1: to our listeners as we go on. But I'm actually

883
00:43:42,841 --> 00:43:45,881
Speaker 1: in shock to hear you've you've publicly just denounced it

884
00:43:46,481 --> 00:43:47,881
Speaker 1: that you are retiring.

885
00:43:48,641 --> 00:43:51,321
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I thin guess we'll go into it

886
00:43:51,361 --> 00:43:53,481
Speaker 3: a little bit a little bit on in the podcast,

887
00:43:53,561 --> 00:43:56,201
Speaker 3: but it was an easy decision for me, Like it's

888
00:43:56,201 --> 00:43:57,761
Speaker 3: been playing on the one for a couple of years

889
00:43:57,801 --> 00:44:00,681
Speaker 3: and I've got something to transition you to, like and

890
00:44:00,921 --> 00:44:04,801
Speaker 3: move into and then and really kind of maxlling on

891
00:44:04,841 --> 00:44:07,041
Speaker 3: my elf, you know, somewhere I can kind of look

892
00:44:07,081 --> 00:44:09,401
Speaker 3: back on the career that they've had and like, obviously

893
00:44:09,441 --> 00:44:11,881
Speaker 3: I didn't. I've got some good a world ranking in

894
00:44:11,961 --> 00:44:14,041
Speaker 3: the graduate division. I've bought some of the best guys

895
00:44:14,081 --> 00:44:15,841
Speaker 3: in the world of the fight the kudos Bancarine, but

896
00:44:15,961 --> 00:44:19,001
Speaker 3: to meet, you know, some amazing people that stannybl Williams,

897
00:44:19,081 --> 00:44:21,641
Speaker 3: you know, like or whoever else to get the punch

898
00:44:21,721 --> 00:44:23,881
Speaker 3: onal justice TONI and like, I can look back on

899
00:44:24,001 --> 00:44:26,121
Speaker 3: that and come on, grandked to go there one day.

900
00:44:26,201 --> 00:44:28,401
Speaker 1: So brother, there's few men that are going to be

901
00:44:28,441 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: able to ever say that they stood toe to toe

902
00:44:30,521 --> 00:44:33,121
Speaker 1: with some of those men. Like, let's be honest, you know,

903
00:44:33,721 --> 00:44:36,921
Speaker 1: there's only so many heavyweight Australian boxes at that level

904
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:39,761
Speaker 1: and they are all quality. I really feel that each

905
00:44:39,801 --> 00:44:41,801
Speaker 1: and every one of you are all able to put

906
00:44:41,881 --> 00:44:45,121
Speaker 1: on a great spectacle of boxing. I get excited to

907
00:44:45,201 --> 00:44:48,841
Speaker 1: watch it, and I think many people do. We're not

908
00:44:49,001 --> 00:44:51,881
Speaker 1: short of any up and coming heavyweights either. There's there's

909
00:44:51,921 --> 00:44:55,161
Speaker 1: definitely a stable of some bloody good fighters coming through,

910
00:44:55,921 --> 00:44:58,761
Speaker 1: you know. I guess the thing is, you know, as

911
00:44:58,841 --> 00:45:02,001
Speaker 1: somebody like yourself, you know, Jenny Green's a good mate

912
00:45:02,001 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: of mine. He was up here a couple of weeks

913
00:45:03,521 --> 00:45:05,561
Speaker 1: prior to the big show, just there last week, and

914
00:45:05,961 --> 00:45:07,241
Speaker 1: he and I hung out for the day and we

915
00:45:07,321 --> 00:45:09,281
Speaker 1: went surf and and just just chewing the fat as

916
00:45:09,561 --> 00:45:14,001
Speaker 1: you do with Green, and you know, like his passion

917
00:45:14,321 --> 00:45:17,001
Speaker 1: is just next level still, you know, even through Archie,

918
00:45:17,721 --> 00:45:21,321
Speaker 1: coaching Archie's son and then bringing him through his journey.

919
00:45:21,721 --> 00:45:25,681
Speaker 1: But he's so and I have just so much appreciation

920
00:45:25,801 --> 00:45:29,681
Speaker 1: and respect for him as a man. Everything is earned

921
00:45:30,081 --> 00:45:33,881
Speaker 1: and it's all structured. He refuses to just it's given.

922
00:45:34,001 --> 00:45:35,921
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to work for it, You've got

923
00:45:35,961 --> 00:45:40,241
Speaker 1: to earn it. And that's coming through seeing his son

924
00:45:40,361 --> 00:45:44,361
Speaker 1: Archie at the moment and a fantastic talent ahead. Like

925
00:45:44,441 --> 00:45:47,401
Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying that, you know, he's he's

926
00:45:47,641 --> 00:45:48,361
Speaker 1: something special.

927
00:45:48,601 --> 00:45:48,761
Speaker 3: You know.

928
00:45:49,601 --> 00:45:52,841
Speaker 1: You talk about genetics and you talk about pedigree, you know,

929
00:45:52,961 --> 00:45:56,641
Speaker 1: and there's obviously Mundane's son's trying to stir the pot

930
00:45:56,721 --> 00:45:58,921
Speaker 1: up and get that rivalry between the families. But I mean,

931
00:45:58,961 --> 00:46:02,041
Speaker 1: you look at the Zoo Boys, and you know, there's

932
00:46:02,161 --> 00:46:07,121
Speaker 1: other families out there that have had fathers, brothers, uncles

933
00:46:07,161 --> 00:46:12,281
Speaker 1: that you have been world class fighters, that literally have

934
00:46:12,481 --> 00:46:16,081
Speaker 1: just moved forward through the blood channels. I guess into

935
00:46:16,281 --> 00:46:17,801
Speaker 1: that that transition of life.

936
00:46:17,921 --> 00:46:18,081
Speaker 3: Man.

937
00:46:18,841 --> 00:46:20,601
Speaker 1: You know, Greeny Greeny is such a part of some

938
00:46:20,601 --> 00:46:22,881
Speaker 1: of my point being is do you still feel that

939
00:46:23,041 --> 00:46:25,681
Speaker 1: drive and passion? And now we're talking about that retirement,

940
00:46:25,801 --> 00:46:28,361
Speaker 1: but do you still within You look at boxing and go,

941
00:46:29,761 --> 00:46:31,241
Speaker 1: I'm going to go lace up with gloves. So I'm

942
00:46:31,281 --> 00:46:33,281
Speaker 1: going to go, oh, well it comes by you, buddy,

943
00:46:33,441 --> 00:46:36,321
Speaker 1: I'm free, you know, like, give me a call or

944
00:46:36,441 --> 00:46:39,401
Speaker 1: is it just I'm done Now. I've had my time.

945
00:46:39,481 --> 00:46:43,281
Speaker 3: And I think the best way to answer that one

946
00:46:43,441 --> 00:46:46,281
Speaker 3: is take it back a few years. I think it's

947
00:46:46,281 --> 00:46:50,521
Speaker 3: about halfway through my career. I've been really fortunate to

948
00:46:50,721 --> 00:46:55,081
Speaker 3: pull myself into really good company. I've got a good

949
00:46:55,121 --> 00:47:00,081
Speaker 3: friend of mine, Chris Fraser Is He's a surgeon at

950
00:47:00,321 --> 00:47:03,001
Speaker 3: god Coust University Hospital. But he was, you know, like

951
00:47:03,121 --> 00:47:06,321
Speaker 3: he when he started his doctor journey, like he didn't

952
00:47:06,321 --> 00:47:08,081
Speaker 3: even have a year twelve when he's two years old,

953
00:47:08,121 --> 00:47:11,081
Speaker 3: and you know, so now now he's decision you know,

954
00:47:11,321 --> 00:47:14,041
Speaker 3: at the at the hospital and he's a good friend

955
00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:16,561
Speaker 3: of mine, and he kind of always believed that I,

956
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:21,561
Speaker 3: you know, I'm very thoughtful person. I was. I didn't

957
00:47:21,561 --> 00:47:23,521
Speaker 3: collect there and I never really believed that in myself.

958
00:47:23,601 --> 00:47:26,121
Speaker 3: So halfway through my career, I was always a little

959
00:47:26,121 --> 00:47:28,041
Speaker 3: bit worried about the damage that it was caused and

960
00:47:28,441 --> 00:47:31,921
Speaker 3: maybe and then I never wanted to be that guy

961
00:47:32,281 --> 00:47:35,361
Speaker 3: where I kind of peaked and boxing. So I began

962
00:47:35,441 --> 00:47:38,161
Speaker 3: a business degree with the support obviously of the support

963
00:47:38,201 --> 00:47:40,641
Speaker 3: of Chris and my parents and like everyone else around me.

964
00:47:41,601 --> 00:47:44,521
Speaker 3: And then I was getting through that and then I

965
00:47:44,601 --> 00:47:47,481
Speaker 3: moved into while I was in the business degree, while

966
00:47:47,521 --> 00:47:49,801
Speaker 3: I was boxing, I'd started a law degree as well.

967
00:47:51,401 --> 00:47:55,881
Speaker 3: So that's their journey began. And yeah, one of my

968
00:47:56,641 --> 00:48:01,201
Speaker 3: one of my sponsors from Quinn, Lord Lee Quinn. He

969
00:48:02,561 --> 00:48:05,201
Speaker 3: he looked after me for a couple of years for

970
00:48:05,321 --> 00:48:08,401
Speaker 3: a boxing career. And then here's another one that supported

971
00:48:08,441 --> 00:48:10,401
Speaker 3: me and he took me on as a look like

972
00:48:10,521 --> 00:48:13,561
Speaker 3: at his at his criminal awesome and the gold Coast

973
00:48:13,601 --> 00:48:17,041
Speaker 3: there so well another another amazing man. So like I,

974
00:48:17,921 --> 00:48:19,921
Speaker 3: I was so fortunate to have all these people around

975
00:48:19,961 --> 00:48:21,681
Speaker 3: me that just kind of like carried me through. And

976
00:48:22,881 --> 00:48:25,041
Speaker 3: yes I've been I've been doing that for a little while,

977
00:48:27,041 --> 00:48:31,401
Speaker 3: and then yeah, I've I just it was an easy

978
00:48:31,441 --> 00:48:33,641
Speaker 3: decision for me, like because I didn't want to throw

979
00:48:33,681 --> 00:48:36,361
Speaker 3: those lace those gloves off anymore, like I like it

980
00:48:36,481 --> 00:48:38,561
Speaker 3: was it was too hard like that. I just you

981
00:48:38,681 --> 00:48:41,281
Speaker 3: really got to be in the trenches, you like a

982
00:48:41,321 --> 00:48:43,601
Speaker 3: little bit drip of tire, right, Like he just loves

983
00:48:43,681 --> 00:48:46,921
Speaker 3: to be like a net grind, like I just and

984
00:48:47,001 --> 00:48:50,001
Speaker 3: I used to have that, but it just didn't it

985
00:48:50,121 --> 00:48:52,161
Speaker 3: just didn't happen for me anymore, Like it was becoming

986
00:48:52,201 --> 00:48:54,121
Speaker 3: a struggle. Was like I couldn't get myself into that

987
00:48:54,241 --> 00:48:57,401
Speaker 3: mindset the way I used to. But that's purely because

988
00:48:57,481 --> 00:49:01,001
Speaker 3: I kind of had that transition already there. And it's

989
00:49:01,401 --> 00:49:03,161
Speaker 3: that that paper is right before my feet now, right

990
00:49:03,721 --> 00:49:05,721
Speaker 3: and that last fight when I thought, this is no

991
00:49:05,881 --> 00:49:09,521
Speaker 3: excuse whatsoever because dress is an absolutely aspeed. But like

992
00:49:10,041 --> 00:49:13,161
Speaker 3: my mind was in too. I have my feet in

993
00:49:13,201 --> 00:49:16,001
Speaker 3: through different doors and I needed to after that fight,

994
00:49:16,201 --> 00:49:19,361
Speaker 3: like after kind of knock me out. Hey, yeah, it

995
00:49:19,441 --> 00:49:21,721
Speaker 3: was a bit of a listener, right, Like anything in life,

996
00:49:21,721 --> 00:49:23,481
Speaker 3: you got to commit to what if you're doing one

997
00:49:23,561 --> 00:49:26,881
Speaker 3: hundred percent? And that was the wake up call I think.

998
00:49:27,921 --> 00:49:30,121
Speaker 1: I've got to say. And in reference to that, and

999
00:49:30,601 --> 00:49:35,641
Speaker 1: you just hit the nail on the head and you know, yes,

1000
00:49:35,721 --> 00:49:37,601
Speaker 1: it's a sport, but it's not a game.

1001
00:49:38,561 --> 00:49:38,721
Speaker 3: You know.

1002
00:49:38,801 --> 00:49:41,001
Speaker 1: Everybody's a box until they get a punch in the head,

1003
00:49:41,641 --> 00:49:44,841
Speaker 1: you know, and then they sort of realize I'm in

1004
00:49:44,921 --> 00:49:50,601
Speaker 1: the fight game. You know, you sort of you're you

1005
00:49:50,761 --> 00:49:54,361
Speaker 1: must be committed, you must be disciplined, otherwise you will

1006
00:49:54,401 --> 00:49:58,281
Speaker 1: get hurt. There is no other way around it. And

1007
00:49:58,481 --> 00:50:02,521
Speaker 1: I think you, you know, put in yourself admitting just

1008
00:50:02,561 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: stand that you're only sort of half in, half out.

1009
00:50:06,281 --> 00:50:10,521
Speaker 1: You possibly didn't give yourself the best option for you

1010
00:50:10,681 --> 00:50:13,241
Speaker 1: to you know, go through and win that fighte It

1011
00:50:13,361 --> 00:50:14,841
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a luck thing, wasn't it,

1012
00:50:15,041 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: Rather than what I am committed to winning this fight.

1013
00:50:17,521 --> 00:50:18,321
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to win.

1014
00:50:18,841 --> 00:50:21,321
Speaker 3: Well, I can't really thought I did like I thought,

1015
00:50:21,481 --> 00:50:23,721
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I didn't try any like any

1016
00:50:23,841 --> 00:50:25,761
Speaker 3: less like my boss game of the time off right,

1017
00:50:26,081 --> 00:50:29,881
Speaker 3: But I was still studying, so like like again's that's

1018
00:50:29,881 --> 00:50:31,721
Speaker 3: why I had no excuse whatsoever. So we will have

1019
00:50:31,801 --> 00:50:34,401
Speaker 3: our stuff going on and our injuries or whatever it

1020
00:50:34,481 --> 00:50:37,241
Speaker 3: may be. But like I genuinely thought I was going

1021
00:50:37,281 --> 00:50:40,401
Speaker 3: to win that fight, like I truly believed it, but

1022
00:50:41,961 --> 00:50:44,241
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say, but enough, I did get pieced uf

1023
00:50:44,321 --> 00:50:46,481
Speaker 3: a little bit, and I didn't get fucking stopped. They

1024
00:50:46,601 --> 00:50:48,881
Speaker 3: didn't get dropped pretty twice, and I've never actually watched

1025
00:50:48,921 --> 00:50:51,001
Speaker 3: that fight back there, that's it's pretty iris too much, right,

1026
00:50:51,561 --> 00:50:56,321
Speaker 3: But but it was a wake up call and sense stuff.

1027
00:50:56,321 --> 00:50:58,561
Speaker 3: I was like, I need to make a decision. It

1028
00:50:58,641 --> 00:51:00,521
Speaker 3: was a bit of a you know, one of those

1029
00:51:00,561 --> 00:51:04,161
Speaker 3: moments where you realize, like iket thinking deeply about why

1030
00:51:04,281 --> 00:51:08,361
Speaker 3: things are the way, and yeah, that was that was

1031
00:51:08,401 --> 00:51:10,841
Speaker 3: it for me. I guess it was that board that

1032
00:51:10,921 --> 00:51:14,801
Speaker 3: I was trying to avoid by it's taking on studies

1033
00:51:15,041 --> 00:51:17,241
Speaker 3: and whatnot. And in a way, like I guess I

1034
00:51:17,321 --> 00:51:19,961
Speaker 3: did avoid a lot of it. But you're right, like

1035
00:51:20,601 --> 00:51:22,441
Speaker 3: when I gave it up, it was I have to

1036
00:51:22,601 --> 00:51:25,961
Speaker 3: find mutual now, right, like I need to find I

1037
00:51:26,081 --> 00:51:28,081
Speaker 3: got to find a new reason to get back into

1038
00:51:28,601 --> 00:51:30,721
Speaker 3: you know, keep them your body weight down and keeping

1039
00:51:30,761 --> 00:51:33,801
Speaker 3: that mental health and check because obviously that's the big

1040
00:51:33,881 --> 00:51:35,481
Speaker 3: thing that boxing gives you. It give see, like a

1041
00:51:35,521 --> 00:51:37,801
Speaker 3: lot of mental clarity, especially for us standing be angry

1042
00:51:37,801 --> 00:51:41,921
Speaker 3: with me, you know, like yeah, but the one thing

1043
00:51:41,961 --> 00:51:47,601
Speaker 3: that obviously i'd love to I'd love like my life.

1044
00:51:47,601 --> 00:51:49,801
Speaker 3: Will we listened to other boxes, is you know, you've

1045
00:51:49,801 --> 00:51:52,521
Speaker 3: got to prepare for that that void. Like it it's like,

1046
00:51:53,161 --> 00:51:55,761
Speaker 3: I mean, to be good at anything, you need to

1047
00:51:55,801 --> 00:51:59,001
Speaker 3: have some kind of liverle intelligence. And like, again, I

1048
00:51:59,161 --> 00:52:00,761
Speaker 3: was lucky enough to have people that believed in me,

1049
00:52:00,841 --> 00:52:02,841
Speaker 3: but I believe there's a lot of boxes that just

1050
00:52:02,921 --> 00:52:05,561
Speaker 3: have that ability to make something of themselves after their

1051
00:52:05,601 --> 00:52:07,721
Speaker 3: career is over. And I think that's really do preparing

1052
00:52:07,801 --> 00:52:11,361
Speaker 3: for it, whether it's a tape course or you know,

1053
00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:15,721
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. You know, everyone's different. They need

1054
00:52:15,761 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: to go to university if they could, you know, yeah,

1055
00:52:19,521 --> 00:52:21,561
Speaker 3: finally a way somewhere else, but just prepare for it

1056
00:52:21,601 --> 00:52:21,921
Speaker 3: as well.

1057
00:52:22,241 --> 00:52:24,721
Speaker 1: Can you share with this? And look, I don't want

1058
00:52:24,721 --> 00:52:27,561
Speaker 1: to poke and prod into your private life, but what

1059
00:52:27,721 --> 00:52:30,041
Speaker 1: were some of the dark times for you that you felt,

1060
00:52:30,681 --> 00:52:33,361
Speaker 1: you know, we're really maybe out of your reach and

1061
00:52:33,761 --> 00:52:37,921
Speaker 1: questioning had you made the right decision in terms of

1062
00:52:39,241 --> 00:52:41,801
Speaker 1: in life in general and coming away from something you

1063
00:52:41,881 --> 00:52:44,921
Speaker 1: were so passionate and driven to be great at to

1064
00:52:45,041 --> 00:52:48,801
Speaker 1: then like you said, had your study. But generally that's

1065
00:52:49,081 --> 00:52:50,841
Speaker 1: that's the mask, what we call the mask.

1066
00:52:51,001 --> 00:52:52,281
Speaker 3: You know, well we all do it.

1067
00:52:52,361 --> 00:52:54,241
Speaker 1: It's like they say, you can't give up one drug

1068
00:52:54,321 --> 00:52:58,241
Speaker 1: for the other, you know, your substituting, but the emotional

1069
00:52:58,401 --> 00:53:01,161
Speaker 1: side of it and everything underneath this, this mask is

1070
00:53:01,201 --> 00:53:04,241
Speaker 1: still there. Take that mask off at night and you're

1071
00:53:04,241 --> 00:53:06,481
Speaker 1: still sitting in the hold in your bedroom and your

1072
00:53:06,481 --> 00:53:09,361
Speaker 1: head between your legs, going fuck, oh, you know, like

1073
00:53:09,521 --> 00:53:10,201
Speaker 1: it's too much.

1074
00:53:10,801 --> 00:53:13,081
Speaker 3: It's a it's a really good question. But because like

1075
00:53:13,201 --> 00:53:15,121
Speaker 3: it took me, I just had to think about it then,

1076
00:53:15,201 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: and I know what it is. It's just that they're

1077
00:53:17,561 --> 00:53:20,721
Speaker 3: being vulnerable. Like it's just like obviously it comes from

1078
00:53:21,081 --> 00:53:22,921
Speaker 3: my childhood. I think. Then, you know, I don't get

1079
00:53:22,961 --> 00:53:26,321
Speaker 3: that lonely kid and and that like in that kind

1080
00:53:26,321 --> 00:53:28,881
Speaker 3: of community where it's a bit rough, and then you

1081
00:53:29,041 --> 00:53:31,321
Speaker 3: kind of like you don't really control of anything, like

1082
00:53:31,401 --> 00:53:33,001
Speaker 3: you have to go to school to be bullied. You

1083
00:53:33,081 --> 00:53:35,241
Speaker 3: got to like figure out a way through that. And

1084
00:53:35,361 --> 00:53:41,161
Speaker 3: I think boxing gave me that that the strengths, and

1085
00:53:41,561 --> 00:53:44,201
Speaker 3: it took me away from being vulnerable and like obviously

1086
00:53:44,361 --> 00:53:46,081
Speaker 3: taught me that you got to you got to work,

1087
00:53:46,201 --> 00:53:51,321
Speaker 3: prepareful things to be to not be vulnerable, right, And yeah, yeah,

1088
00:53:51,441 --> 00:53:54,281
Speaker 3: it's a I think that those are the darkest moments

1089
00:53:54,321 --> 00:53:57,721
Speaker 3: when we when I lose a fight, also had a

1090
00:53:57,761 --> 00:54:00,841
Speaker 3: babe buying session, or had an argument with the miss,

1091
00:54:01,601 --> 00:54:03,921
Speaker 3: you know, and you're afraid of many things that could

1092
00:54:03,921 --> 00:54:06,761
Speaker 3: constantly come from that, And those that were my darkest

1093
00:54:06,801 --> 00:54:11,241
Speaker 3: moments usually begin And yeah, I think that's my motivation

1094
00:54:11,361 --> 00:54:18,001
Speaker 3: to do anything productive in my life. I think, yeah, what.

1095
00:54:18,161 --> 00:54:20,761
Speaker 1: Was some of the tools try for you that enabled

1096
00:54:20,801 --> 00:54:23,081
Speaker 1: you to be able to come back out of those

1097
00:54:23,201 --> 00:54:25,881
Speaker 1: dark days and those places? And look, we can all

1098
00:54:25,921 --> 00:54:27,801
Speaker 1: sit there. I just threw my runners on and I

1099
00:54:27,881 --> 00:54:29,561
Speaker 1: do it all the time. I just say, look like going,

1100
00:54:30,161 --> 00:54:32,521
Speaker 1: I run thirty k's or forty k's. That's what I do.

1101
00:54:32,881 --> 00:54:35,561
Speaker 1: Like I literally people say shouldn't run from your problems.

1102
00:54:35,601 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: I put something up on my Socialist the other week

1103
00:54:37,481 --> 00:54:40,001
Speaker 1: and I thought, yeah, that's that's true.

1104
00:54:40,121 --> 00:54:41,561
Speaker 3: But for me, if I.

1105
00:54:41,761 --> 00:54:44,761
Speaker 1: Stopped running at fifty years of age. I hated running.

1106
00:54:44,761 --> 00:54:46,961
Speaker 1: I'm a front row. I'm a fat fuck that just

1107
00:54:47,121 --> 00:54:50,161
Speaker 1: you know, enjoyed muy Thai. I played rugby league and

1108
00:54:50,321 --> 00:54:51,961
Speaker 1: we're well, you know what I mean. I just had

1109
00:54:52,001 --> 00:54:54,921
Speaker 1: this natural endurance. Next minute, I wrote a push back

1110
00:54:54,961 --> 00:54:59,641
Speaker 1: across Australia. I did Iman's half Iman's. I found a

1111
00:54:59,761 --> 00:55:03,161
Speaker 1: way of using my negative in my mental health and

1112
00:55:03,241 --> 00:55:06,161
Speaker 1: putting it into a positive to be whatever I wanted

1113
00:55:06,281 --> 00:55:10,241
Speaker 1: to be. But it's the road getting there that I

1114
00:55:10,361 --> 00:55:13,921
Speaker 1: find is the hardest, because that moment, like you know,

1115
00:55:14,081 --> 00:55:15,481
Speaker 1: like I got a call a few weeks ago, I

1116
00:55:15,601 --> 00:55:17,681
Speaker 1: want to do an ultra rum yep, sweet two days

1117
00:55:17,801 --> 00:55:19,881
Speaker 1: notice no trainer, run out and round seventy two k's

1118
00:55:20,041 --> 00:55:22,601
Speaker 1: miss and down ground subbly how and whatever. I took

1119
00:55:22,641 --> 00:55:23,561
Speaker 1: it on and I conquered it.

1120
00:55:23,641 --> 00:55:24,001
Speaker 3: I did it.

1121
00:55:24,761 --> 00:55:27,241
Speaker 1: So it's not about what you can't do, because we

1122
00:55:27,321 --> 00:55:29,321
Speaker 1: can all do whatever we put our mind to you.

1123
00:55:29,801 --> 00:55:33,161
Speaker 1: But how do we get to that point of actually

1124
00:55:33,241 --> 00:55:37,401
Speaker 1: acknowledging oneself and saying I can do this. I do

1125
00:55:37,601 --> 00:55:38,481
Speaker 1: believe in myself.

1126
00:55:39,881 --> 00:55:43,641
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think losses are extremely important. I think,

1127
00:55:45,681 --> 00:55:48,921
Speaker 3: and what loss brings you, it brings you devastation. It

1128
00:55:49,001 --> 00:55:50,361
Speaker 3: depends what you have lost at the end of the

1129
00:55:50,481 --> 00:55:52,601
Speaker 3: day too, and it can make or break here. But

1130
00:55:52,841 --> 00:55:54,881
Speaker 3: I think it's important when you do chet those losses

1131
00:55:54,961 --> 00:55:56,961
Speaker 3: or when you're feeling in that way. I think it's

1132
00:55:57,001 --> 00:55:59,401
Speaker 3: important to feel that way, knowledge that you are down,

1133
00:55:59,721 --> 00:56:03,361
Speaker 3: and you know how I express your emotions, like however

1134
00:56:03,441 --> 00:56:06,401
Speaker 3: way you want or how however what you need to

1135
00:56:07,321 --> 00:56:09,401
Speaker 3: don't try to avoid it, right like you obviously throw

1136
00:56:09,441 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: that's fuck an angry song in the car that says

1137
00:56:11,481 --> 00:56:13,561
Speaker 3: so or whatever, Like you just feel it away for

1138
00:56:13,641 --> 00:56:15,481
Speaker 3: a little while. That's just the way I've go with it.

1139
00:56:15,961 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: But at some point you've got to fucking just deal

1140
00:56:18,521 --> 00:56:20,561
Speaker 3: with it, Like you need to just pull your head

1141
00:56:20,561 --> 00:56:23,041
Speaker 3: in and realize, you know, after feeling that way, you

1142
00:56:23,121 --> 00:56:24,841
Speaker 3: got to figure out what's next, Like how when I

1143
00:56:24,961 --> 00:56:27,201
Speaker 3: pushed through this, how and I'm not sure it doesn't

1144
00:56:27,241 --> 00:56:30,521
Speaker 3: happen again? Or what can I do now to improve

1145
00:56:30,601 --> 00:56:31,921
Speaker 3: the situation? I think that's.

1146
00:56:33,641 --> 00:56:35,761
Speaker 1: How did you feel as a man though, Troy, being

1147
00:56:36,121 --> 00:56:38,961
Speaker 1: this this you know, strong man that everyone looked at.

1148
00:56:39,081 --> 00:56:42,721
Speaker 1: They just have these heavy hands and you know you're

1149
00:56:43,121 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: you are I'm pissing in your poppet you're a man

1150
00:56:45,521 --> 00:56:48,361
Speaker 1: that can actually yep, I'll take it on and jump

1151
00:56:48,441 --> 00:56:50,961
Speaker 1: the ring and it's just another day in the office,

1152
00:56:51,001 --> 00:56:52,801
Speaker 1: so to speak, and hands up.

1153
00:56:52,761 --> 00:56:53,241
Speaker 3: And off you go.

1154
00:56:55,121 --> 00:56:56,801
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of bulls to go over the

1155
00:56:56,921 --> 00:56:59,601
Speaker 1: ropes and you know, let alone stand there and put

1156
00:56:59,641 --> 00:57:03,641
Speaker 1: your hands together and in a competitive way with other

1157
00:57:04,041 --> 00:57:08,761
Speaker 1: monster of men. You know, was there times there where you,

1158
00:57:09,001 --> 00:57:10,521
Speaker 1: like you say, you know, you come off a bad

1159
00:57:10,641 --> 00:57:12,561
Speaker 1: session or a learn. I like to call it a learn,

1160
00:57:12,641 --> 00:57:14,441
Speaker 1: not so much a loss. That's just my way of

1161
00:57:14,521 --> 00:57:16,721
Speaker 1: looking at it, because we all learn from that moment

1162
00:57:18,161 --> 00:57:22,841
Speaker 1: and it hurts. But how does a man seem to

1163
00:57:22,921 --> 00:57:26,841
Speaker 1: be so strong and you know, yeah, just just a

1164
00:57:26,961 --> 00:57:31,401
Speaker 1: warrior to then find that darkness and dealing with those

1165
00:57:31,441 --> 00:57:35,681
Speaker 1: demons and that inner questioning of you know, where did

1166
00:57:35,721 --> 00:57:36,961
Speaker 1: I am I good enough?

1167
00:57:37,721 --> 00:57:40,441
Speaker 3: I think I think in boxing you're almost trained to

1168
00:57:40,561 --> 00:57:43,561
Speaker 3: deal with with that as a professional boxer that's had

1169
00:57:43,561 --> 00:57:47,641
Speaker 3: a lot of fights because and as like inspiring unit

1170
00:57:47,721 --> 00:57:50,041
Speaker 3: coop mindings from amate it right, like, that's just going

1171
00:57:50,081 --> 00:57:52,401
Speaker 3: to happen and you're going to feel bad about you.

1172
00:57:52,521 --> 00:57:55,801
Speaker 3: I feel any fuck, I'm shit, I'm not good enough?

1173
00:57:57,001 --> 00:57:58,641
Speaker 3: Like you've got to quickly as out to it. Then

1174
00:57:58,641 --> 00:58:01,401
Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna come in an experience session and

1175
00:58:01,401 --> 00:58:03,641
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna come another hide and you're like, oh fuck,

1176
00:58:03,681 --> 00:58:05,641
Speaker 3: I'm just not meant to be I'm not good enough.

1177
00:58:05,721 --> 00:58:09,601
Speaker 3: List it like, but you gotta like it happens on

1178
00:58:09,921 --> 00:58:12,601
Speaker 3: repeats so often in your career, like it's it's a

1179
00:58:13,041 --> 00:58:15,241
Speaker 3: it's a three weekly cycle, like you know, so you

1180
00:58:15,361 --> 00:58:18,961
Speaker 3: gotta quickly, you gotta quickly adapt to that, and you know,

1181
00:58:20,801 --> 00:58:22,561
Speaker 3: you gotta figure out the way to get through it,

1182
00:58:22,601 --> 00:58:24,681
Speaker 3: and you gotta figure out why you're you know you're

1183
00:58:24,721 --> 00:58:27,921
Speaker 3: failing and you're learning right, and then that's how you grow.

1184
00:58:28,121 --> 00:58:29,561
Speaker 3: That's the that's the only way you grow.

1185
00:58:30,201 --> 00:58:34,121
Speaker 2: Photo record, I'm done try and make you uncomfortable, photo record.

1186
00:58:34,241 --> 00:58:35,521
Speaker 2: You ain't trying to grow downy stuff for.

1187
00:58:35,561 --> 00:58:37,441
Speaker 1: Your photo record.

1188
00:58:37,641 --> 00:58:40,721
Speaker 2: Live on me going all the way way. Photo record,

1189
00:58:40,881 --> 00:58:43,601
Speaker 2: ain't trying to link, No, trying to win stuff for the.

1190
00:58:43,641 --> 00:58:50,161
Speaker 4: Record, for the record, Yeah, for the record, for the

1191
00:58:50,281 --> 00:58:53,841
Speaker 4: rede for the record, for the regged.

1192
00:59:05,121 --> 00:59:05,201
Speaker 3: Hey,