Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Hello, Your week is well halfway over. We're going to
Speaker 2: Wednesday night here on Paulmurray Live. Is an awful lot
Speaker 2: to get to the evening, including as we speak, the
Speaker 2: early parts of the papal conclave are taking place as
Speaker 2: the cardinals of the world under the age of eighty
Speaker 2: are starting to move towards the Sistine Chapel, where they
Speaker 2: will be sealed for the rest of the day. They
Speaker 2: will not necessarily hear an awful lot of speeches, but
Speaker 2: presumably we might get a vote in the next of
Speaker 2: the wild meaning a pope could be appearing within the show.
Speaker 2: But at the very least that lovely Irish bloke that
Speaker 2: we spoke to upon the death of the Pope, We'll
Speaker 2: go back and have a chatter him. His name's Colin Flynn.
Speaker 2: His voice I could listen to for an hour. His
Speaker 2: insights are very good as well. Election wash up with
Speaker 2: Steve Conroy and Bromwin Bishop and the one the only
Speaker 2: Meghan killing any place you'll finder on Australium TV is
Speaker 2: right here on Paul Murray Live on a Wednesday night.
Speaker 3: It was so fun. It was the most epic trol
Speaker 3: of all time. We just kept making fun of them
Speaker 3: and spitting out their stupid lines.
Speaker 2: Now, the way I'm going to try and start our
Speaker 2: shows for the next little while is to say, firstly,
Speaker 2: something we can all agree upon. Now, we all remember
Speaker 2: the footy teams from our youth, and sometimes the footy
Speaker 2: teams that aren't around anymore, the footy teams that merged
Speaker 2: with the other footy teams. A perfect example would be
Speaker 2: from rugby league in New South Wales and the mighty
Speaker 2: North Sydney Bears. Oh an era when it was nothing
Speaker 2: but six pack and a full pack of smokes in
Speaker 2: the stands. They was from nineteen eighty two. Will have
Speaker 2: been gone for a while after the various wars of
Speaker 2: rugby league and they've never returned. They've tried to find
Speaker 2: multiple ways back into the competition via the central coast
Speaker 2: of New South Wales, but it has been confirmed today
Speaker 2: that the Bears will be moving to Western Australia. Roger Cook,
Speaker 2: the Western Australian Premier, will be stumping up the cash
Speaker 2: on the behalf of the Western Australian people. About sixty
Speaker 2: five million dollars I think is the cost of the deal.
Speaker 2: That's not sixty five million a year, but I think
Speaker 2: that's the deal, and a means a game will be
Speaker 2: played seven thirty on a Saturday night or nine to
Speaker 2: thirty on the East Coast. Many Super Saturday just got
Speaker 2: even more super.
Speaker 4: Not only will this be great news for sports fans,
Speaker 4: it's great news for our economy and great news for jobs.
Speaker 4: The new club will compete in the NRL Premiership competition
Speaker 4: for the first time in twenty twenty seven or twenty
Speaker 4: twenty eight, and it will deliver a return for taxpayers.
Speaker 2: Now, the thing is the announcement seems to have made
Speaker 2: maybe a day early. But when you're stumping up the
Speaker 2: cash and you want to give you good information that
Speaker 2: rugby league fans will have a team playing out of
Speaker 2: the West the first time since the Western Reads back
Speaker 2: for a couple of seasons in the nineteen nineties. Roger
Speaker 2: Cook was faster to social media. For the NROL, they'll
Speaker 2: have more to say tomorrow, but its chief executive has
Speaker 2: always been excited about the idea of more teams, particularly
Speaker 2: one in the West.
Speaker 5: It's exciting that we are talking about expansion and clearly
Speaker 5: Western Australia is a great market for us. You know,
Speaker 5: when the Western reads were firing, we had fifteen sixteen
Speaker 5: thousand reads to participants. So it's a great opportunity for
Speaker 5: us in terms of a national blue brand. Very exciting
Speaker 5: opportunity and hopefully we were able to finalize something that adds.
Speaker 1: A lot of dage the game.
Speaker 5: The business case stacks up and we're certainly heading in
Speaker 5: the right direction.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to all involved, most importantly the North Sydney Bears
Speaker 2: finding a way to get their logo, to get their
Speaker 2: name back in lights in rugby league where it has
Speaker 2: long been lost and very much is well deserved. Let's
Speaker 2: send our attention to the inquest that is taking place
Speaker 2: into the events last year at Bondi Westfield when that
Speaker 2: awful lunatic ran around with his knife and killed too
Speaker 2: many people. In this inquest, thus far we have seen
Speaker 2: incredible detail of the perspective from the hero police officer
Speaker 2: who ended up confronting and taking him down. But today
Speaker 2: we also learn about maybe, just maybe a moment when
Speaker 2: this man could have been caught and may well have
Speaker 2: been in jail at the time of the stabbings. Now,
Speaker 2: police and our security authorities they have to get it right.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent of the time. You think about this
Speaker 2: in terms of terrorist attacks, that they've got to stop
Speaker 2: one hundred of them. It's not good enough to stop
Speaker 2: ninety nine, but they've got to stop one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of them. The reality is, in this situation, there was
Speaker 2: an intersection with police a couple of years before all
Speaker 2: of this had took place. The person who went on
Speaker 2: to take those lives in Bondi had called the police
Speaker 2: on his own parents because his parents in the Mighty
Speaker 2: part of Queensland that is to Woomba, had taken off
Speaker 2: him a series of military knives. This was part of
Speaker 2: the interaction that police had at the moment and a
Speaker 2: bit of an insight into the system that means it's
Speaker 2: very difficult to take people off the streets, even when
Speaker 2: you know there are weapons and mental health issues.
Speaker 6: His mother at that moment telling another officer her son
Speaker 6: is unmedicated for schizophrenia, has been in a rage and
Speaker 6: needs to go to hospital, but the officers determine he
Speaker 6: doesn't meet the threshold for emergency examination.
Speaker 2: Because of course he was not a physical threat to
Speaker 2: the police at the time. But remember the reason they
Speaker 2: were being called was because of the dangerous weapons that
Speaker 2: his family was trying to take off him. Also at
Speaker 2: the inquest today we heard about a fatal flaw in
Speaker 2: the people who were managing the Westfield shopping center on
Speaker 2: that day. Now whether it was going to be able
Speaker 2: to save lives at the very least, a warning should
Speaker 2: have been done well the moment people knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2: But it appears that that warning never happened.
Speaker 6: A public announcement wasn't made warning of an armed defender
Speaker 6: until fourteen minutes after Joel Couci was shot dead. Joseph
Speaker 6: Gerlin was twenty nine years old and two months on
Speaker 6: the job, as sent to manager, conceding it should have
Speaker 6: been done sooner, but said he was terrified and did
Speaker 6: the very best that he could.
Speaker 2: The hearing continues as they say, this is all, of course,
Speaker 2: about finding out more information about how to prevent things. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: some things have already come out thus far about the
Speaker 2: communication system, a lack of communication, and decisions that were
Speaker 2: made about when people could or couldn't enter the building
Speaker 2: to try to offer more assistance. I wanted to crime
Speaker 2: in Victoria before I get to the election, because it
Speaker 2: remains a very significant problem. For some reason, there is
Speaker 2: an awful lot of organized crime that is involved in
Speaker 2: the fire bombing of everything from cafes all the way
Speaker 2: through to tobacconists. This is an issue that is causing
Speaker 2: an awful lot of not just property damage, but fear.
Speaker 2: And then there was an event which took place early
Speaker 2: this morning. It was in Camperfield and it was a
Speaker 2: fire bombing that turned out to also take out a
Speaker 2: pet shop that was next door. And for those of
Speaker 2: us who love our animals, relax, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be showing you anything too traumatic. But the result was
Speaker 2: that many, many animals were killed. This was the store
Speaker 2: that was not targeted, but the story that was next
Speaker 2: door to it. According to the Herald's son, the owner
Speaker 2: of King's Pets has been completely which has been completely
Speaker 2: raised by fire. Is heartbroken. Hundreds of birds have perished,
Speaker 2: thousands of fish and also lots of rabbits. It's a
Speaker 2: massive shock and we are heartbroken, says the owner. Twenty
Speaker 2: baby turtles and a handful of fish have reportedly survived.
Speaker 2: I think you saw part of that in some of
Speaker 2: those pictures. The local police have referred to the mood
Speaker 2: of the owner for obvious reasons, not just because they've
Speaker 2: lost the business, but because they love the very animals
Speaker 2: that they wish to sell on to the rest of
Speaker 2: us as pets. As being distraught business owner has expected
Speaker 2: as on scene and is distraught along with their neighboring
Speaker 2: businesses because obviously an incident like this affects multiple persons,
Speaker 2: not hiding from the election. I'll get to it in
Speaker 2: a moment or two's time. We'll talk about it a
Speaker 2: lot with seven Connery and with Bromwin Bishop. But the
Speaker 2: Age Care Minister is a person that I have spoken
Speaker 2: of many times, and I know that she loves blocking
Speaker 2: all sorts of criticism, as any criticism that she receives
Speaker 2: on her Facebook page, and she thinks she is on
Speaker 2: her line to one day being a lot more than
Speaker 2: she currently is, which is the Sports Minister where she
Speaker 2: flies around the country well for free on the taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2: She gets the seats to all the big games. But
Speaker 2: she's also the Agecare Minister. This is a person who
Speaker 2: loves social media and loves sort of the girl boss
Speaker 2: and turning herself into a celebrity of Australian politics. Remember
Speaker 2: she explained the federal budget through the lens of merit
Speaker 2: at first sight well, as I say, she has responsibility
Speaker 2: for aged care and while she is not specifically responsible
Speaker 2: for what happens at each and every age care center,
Speaker 2: can We read from the Daily Telegraph today that Saint
Speaker 2: Jude's Healthcare Services has had its homes sanctioned. An Australian
Speaker 2: agecare home where elderly people reportedly feeling embarrassed by the
Speaker 2: smell and not truated with respect, has failed to meet
Speaker 2: any of the industry's quality standards. It's been slapped with
Speaker 2: a sanction which means it can't take any more residence,
Speaker 2: i can't grow its business for the next few months.
Speaker 2: The Agecare Watchdog has found that the home and a
Speaker 2: specific home in an affluent suburb of Perth which is
Speaker 2: operated by Saint Jude's Healthcare Services, had incidents involving the
Speaker 2: possible abuse or neglect. The Watchdog had a look at
Speaker 2: this place in December. It followed with a look in
Speaker 2: January and most, if not all, of the conditions were
Speaker 2: failed to be met, as you can see there. Of
Speaker 2: the forty two that were thirty eight where they fell short.
Speaker 2: There's a little less time on the TikTok and a
Speaker 2: little more time on following up, but at least the
Speaker 2: system has been able to catch what has been going
Speaker 2: on there. And the families deserve better, let alone, of course,
Speaker 2: the residents who absolutely deserve much better than what seemingly
Speaker 2: they have been getting. All Right, politics here now it
Speaker 2: begins the demands on a Prime Minister who is still
Speaker 2: basking in the glow of that record election win. It
Speaker 2: doesn't just set him up in Labour Party history but
Speaker 2: Australian political history as one of the most successful leaders
Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. Now, one of the reasons I
Speaker 2: think they were able to get there was because the
Speaker 2: media was more than fine with them not telling us
Speaker 2: what the twenty thirty five climate targets would be. You see,
Speaker 2: the two thousand and thirty targets caused big trouble for
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten in twenty nineteen. They had to pretend it
Speaker 2: was two hundred and seventy five dollars and hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of jobs to get through the twenty twenty two elections.
Speaker 2: So they thought, Bargaret, let's not deal with it at all.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, in terms of the left of
Speaker 2: Australian politics, the law that has already been passed for
Speaker 2: Australia to cut forty three percent of one percent of
Speaker 2: the world's emissions is not enough. And while those numbers
Speaker 2: have met zero are twenty fifty and forty three percent
Speaker 2: of one percent is two thousand and thirty. Australia of
Speaker 2: course wants to host one of these climate conferences, meaning
Speaker 2: all pressure will be on the Australian government to up
Speaker 2: the number from where it currently is. Now we know
Speaker 2: what the consequences of that when it comes to energy,
Speaker 2: and we all know what the consequences will be for
Speaker 2: things like industrial farming. But the election did not include
Speaker 2: this as a debate, a failure of the opposition to
Speaker 2: do so. But then again, it itself was not willing
Speaker 2: to say what its targets would be for twenty thirty five,
Speaker 2: so everyone just put it in the two hard basket.
Speaker 2: But instead of having the opportunity to have a debate
Speaker 2: and then have a vote on it, by not having
Speaker 2: any conversation, the number will simply just be set. And
Speaker 2: with the numbers as they currently are in the House
Speaker 2: a monster majority and now the Labor Party growing the
Speaker 2: number of senators it has, will only need the Greens
Speaker 2: to pass any increase in those targets. So we read
Speaker 2: today that Labor Party MPs, along with activists in the party,
Speaker 2: are now suggesting that the current rate of forty three
Speaker 2: percent of one percent of the world's emissions to be
Speaker 2: cut by twenty thirty should become seventy percent of one
Speaker 2: percent of the world's emissions just five years later in
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five. Now the teals they too have argued
Speaker 2: for this before, you see, they have argued that it
Speaker 2: should be seventy five percent. So this would have been
Speaker 2: one of those negotiating tactics should there have been a
Speaker 2: minority government. But now that that's not needed, it's the
Speaker 2: backbench and the membership that are demanding it. And today
Speaker 2: via The Australian, we learned that Labour's environmental wing is
Speaker 2: pushing Anthony Alberinezi to adopt seventy plus percent emissions reduction
Speaker 2: targets for twenty thirty five. With the nature of the
Speaker 2: Parliament as it is, all of this would be law.
Speaker 2: There would be no debate, there would be no turning back.
Speaker 2: And they say in part this should be because of
Speaker 2: a reward. Why because they re elected Labor MPs and
Speaker 2: they didn't talk when the government was approving gas. In
Speaker 2: the past few years, the group of five thousand members
Speaker 2: poured resources into helping people win environment vote or the
Speaker 2: Environment vote in places like Benelong, Sydney, McNamara and Melbourne,
Speaker 2: as well as Griffith and the party. Activist says that
Speaker 2: the big majority win on Saturday was an opportunity for
Speaker 2: the government to undertake major reforms to protect the natural environment.
Speaker 2: Among other things, she says nature positives should come back.
Speaker 2: Even though the Prime Minister pretended that was going away,
Speaker 2: we told you it was coming back. And Ms Wade
Speaker 2: has also said that there should be at least seventy
Speaker 2: percent emissions cut to one percent of the world's problem
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty five, just to give you an idea
Speaker 2: of how far left the membership of the Labor Party
Speaker 2: has gone and thus many of the unions who supported
Speaker 2: or the members who make up the backbench and even
Speaker 2: the cabinet. The idea of seventy percent reduction by twenty
Speaker 2: thirty or twenty thirty five is exactly the policy of
Speaker 2: the Greens from the two thousand and twenty year so
Speaker 2: straight after the twenty nineteen election now gone, Adam Bant,
Speaker 2: we're saying seventy five percent. Labor now a few years
Speaker 2: later says seventy percent, but simply while the Greens may
Speaker 2: well be diminished from I'll get to that in the
Speaker 2: second the things that they have believed in and argued
Speaker 2: for are now front and center, and people who helped
Speaker 2: get the government a major majority on Saturday are now
Speaker 2: saying time to pay up. Because we never had a
Speaker 2: debate about what percentage should be the appropriate percentage at
Speaker 2: this last election. Then guess what's going to happen? Major
Speaker 2: changes currently forty three percent, even if it became fifty
Speaker 2: three sixty three percent, let alone seventy percent. That has
Speaker 2: dramatic changes to the way that our country works. But
Speaker 2: it was all the too hard basket for the past
Speaker 2: three months. As for Adam Bant, well he's gone. You
Speaker 2: will have heard by now that the formal call has
Speaker 2: been made by the Sky News decision desk. Multiple other
Speaker 2: media organizations are suggesting there is no way for the
Speaker 2: bad DJ from Melbourne to be able to find a
Speaker 2: way to hold on to his seat. Here is Tom
Speaker 2: Connell making that announcement and explaining his logic as to
Speaker 2: why there's no chance for the Boy and Green.
Speaker 7: We're assuming lots of positives for Bant from here and
Speaker 7: he still would need sixty three percent. So given that
Speaker 7: I know there's plenty of vote left, we are now
Speaker 7: saying the Labour Party will pick up the seat of
Speaker 7: Melbourne and Adam Bant, the Green's leader, will lose the seed.
Speaker 1: Of mal.
Speaker 2: Now for those that are saying ding dong the Greens
Speaker 2: are dead, well I would love it to be the case.
Speaker 2: As Mark Twain famously said, or probably was just attributed
Speaker 2: to him, the reports of his death were very much exaggerated.
Speaker 2: Well you have to say that about the Greens. Yes,
Speaker 2: most likely they will end up with maximum one seats
Speaker 2: in the lower House. All of the remaining seats that
Speaker 2: they had they had four to three of them will
Speaker 2: go to Labor. One probably will hold on and that'll
Speaker 2: be in the seat of Ryan In and around sort
Speaker 2: of the era of Tou Wong in Brisbane. But the
Speaker 2: reality is the Greens aren't dead. In fact, they become
Speaker 2: even more powerful after this election. Why because they're going
Speaker 2: to have eleven members of the Senate. Those eleven members
Speaker 2: in the Senate plus the performance of the Labor Party
Speaker 2: at this election means they don't need Jackie Lambie anymore.
Speaker 2: They don't need dor Matt Dave Pocock, they don't need
Speaker 2: Tammy Tyrrell, they don't need anyone else apart from the
Speaker 2: Greens to pass anything.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously, if the Coalition get together with the Greens, that's
Speaker 2: a mega majority. But every piece of legislation now goes
Speaker 2: through the door of the Greens. So all I would
Speaker 2: love to say, ding dong, the band is gone and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it reality is for a bill
Speaker 2: to become a law in Australia if the Coalition opposes it,
Speaker 2: the Greens are going to be required. As for latest counting,
Speaker 2: where things are getting slightly better for the Coalition in
Speaker 2: certain seats, slightly better for the Teal and at least
Speaker 2: one of those that we had all wished we were
Speaker 2: going to change on Saturday night. These are the very
Speaker 2: very thin silver linings in a very very black cloud
Speaker 2: in the seat of Longman, which is in southeast Queensland.
Speaker 2: This is one that's been held by the LNP for
Speaker 2: a long time. Terry Young seems to be doing fairly well.
Speaker 2: With eighty percent of the vote counted, he has a
Speaker 2: lead of four hundred and seventy one votes. Postals will
Speaker 2: help the LMP pre pole potentially helps Labor. So no
Speaker 2: one's saying what's going to happen here. In the seat
Speaker 2: of Bradfield, where eighty seven percent of the vote has
Speaker 2: been counted, the Liberal is back in front of the
Speaker 2: teal t one hundred and fifteen votes. Now, people who
Speaker 2: voted outside of the electorate absent on the day, those
Speaker 2: votes may well come back towards the Teal, the postals
Speaker 2: may well come back towards the Liberal, and then there
Speaker 2: might be a few others to go. So nobody is
Speaker 2: saying which way that's going to fall, But you prefer
Speaker 2: to be in front than behind. Also Amelia Hamer a
Speaker 2: little bit in front, a little bit behind. But tonight,
Speaker 2: with eighty two percent of the vote counted in Kujong
Speaker 2: Menikue Ryan has a lead of seven hundred and one votes.
Speaker 2: Again the libs hoping that postal votes, but at some
Speaker 2: point that's going to start to run out, and whether
Speaker 2: that lead could be run down between now and then
Speaker 2: we'll all find out together. And the seat of Monash,
Speaker 2: I don't know why this hasn't been called, but the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party is up by nine thousand votes, presumably with
Speaker 2: eighty five percent counted. There's an assumption that something's going
Speaker 2: to happen when it comes to pre Pole. But worth noting,
Speaker 2: and the one nobody wants to talk about, certainly from
Speaker 2: the Labour side, is a place in the Act where
Speaker 2: a Teal is up by two hundred and forty one
Speaker 2: votes with eighty six percent counted. They were happy for
Speaker 2: the Teals to slowly but surely chew up the Libs. Well,
Speaker 2: there's a chance in the seat of Fremantle and in
Speaker 2: the seat of Being that it will be a deal
Speaker 2: that's going to end up overtaking the Labor Party before
Speaker 2: we get to Ireland. One more thing about the potential
Speaker 2: leadership and whom should be the next leader of the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party. Look, officially it's down to Angus Taylor. Unofficially
Speaker 2: it's down to Angus Taylor versus Susan Lay. But we
Speaker 2: don't know what Dan ten is going to do, and
Speaker 2: presumably he has enough votes to make one of them
Speaker 2: the leader. Tonight we hear that Susan Lay is offering
Speaker 2: people jobs to get things over the line. We also
Speaker 2: hear that Angus Taylor's people is trying to dump research
Speaker 2: to kill off susan Lay's chances. Again, I say, of
Speaker 2: the twelve seats that were lost at the last federal election,
Speaker 2: twelve of them had more female voters than men. Let's
Speaker 2: see what happens in the next.
Speaker 8: Of the war, all right.
Speaker 2: Colin Flynn is the man who is part of the
Speaker 2: reporting in and around the Vatican right now as the
Speaker 2: paper conclave has begun its deliberations they started to make
Speaker 2: their way through in the past hour and joins us
Speaker 2: now from the Vatican column. Obviously, let's not get down
Speaker 2: to the who is next, but give us an idea
Speaker 2: of where things have moved between the Pope's death a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and where we are going into
Speaker 2: the conclve have things changed in terms of who we
Speaker 2: think might end up being there?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, Paul, as they say, according to canon law,
Speaker 8: which is the law that governs the entire Catholic Church,
Speaker 8: the running of the institution, that says that any baptized
Speaker 8: male in the world could be picked as the pope.
Speaker 9: So technically it could be you, but.
Speaker 8: That hasn't happened since the twelfth century, so it will
Speaker 8: come from the College of Cardinals.
Speaker 9: But you know, so much has happened over the past
Speaker 9: couple of weeks.
Speaker 8: Even for myself as a journalist covering this, I think
Speaker 8: I'm the only reporter of the world who was in
Speaker 8: weather Sarah's in Argentina, the Pope's home country, standing at
Speaker 8: the spot where he was born, speaking to his childhood friends,
Speaker 8: the people who worked closely with and his family, and
Speaker 8: then flying back to Rome within a few days reporting
Speaker 8: on his passing.
Speaker 9: We had the days of mourning.
Speaker 8: When people reflected on what was a complex legacy, you know,
Speaker 8: celebrated by some, damned by others, are now very much
Speaker 8: all the attention.
Speaker 9: The world's attention has shifted to whom will be next.
Speaker 8: In fact, you know what's funny, Paul, When I was
Speaker 8: walking around yesterday doing interviews to different networks, all the
Speaker 8: TV cameras have their wide lenses on like this where
Speaker 8: they get a good shot up for the Silica. Today
Speaker 8: when you walk past the cameras, like you see the
Speaker 8: football game, the huge big zoom lenses, because they're all
Speaker 8: focused on that small chimney right on the top of
Speaker 8: the Sistine Chapel, the most closely watched chimney on the
Speaker 8: face of this planet.
Speaker 9: For the next few.
Speaker 2: Days, and right on, que we take that live shot
Speaker 2: and I tid you want the seagull in the background.
Speaker 2: It is currently world famous. Get to hitting all of
Speaker 2: its mates now. Column again, as we've discussed before, for
Speaker 2: the cardinals that are there, they have to be under
Speaker 2: the age of eighty. Many of those cardinals were appointed
Speaker 2: by the previous pope. And the assumption is that from
Speaker 2: a theological perspective, that someone in his model is most
Speaker 2: likely to come out with the majority. Give us an
Speaker 2: idea of how many people are in that room, how
Speaker 2: many people will take their first vibe in about and
Speaker 2: two and a bit hours. Give us an idea of
Speaker 2: the makeup of that room.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this morning they had a mass inside of the silica
Speaker 8: behind me, called the Mass of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 9: And you know this is an election. I know there's
Speaker 9: just up coming out of election season there in Australia.
Speaker 9: But what's different about this, of course, is that has
Speaker 9: that strong spirit relement. And we bet they confused.
Speaker 8: Sometimes we say it is the Holy Spirit who chooses
Speaker 8: the hope. That is not the case because when you
Speaker 8: look back at history, they got the churches has some
Speaker 8: terrible popes. But we hope that these men are guided
Speaker 8: by the Holy Spirit. So that mass today the cardinal
Speaker 8: who led it, Giovanni Battista Ray, he said, Cardinal brothers,
Speaker 8: let us a vote the Holy Spirit, that we get
Speaker 8: his strength and his wisdom to pick.
Speaker 9: The right person for the church and for the world.
Speaker 8: In around two hours time, there will be one hundred
Speaker 8: and thirty three cardinal electors locked into the assisting chapel
Speaker 8: out today they're only doing one vote to kind of
Speaker 8: gauge the temperature.
Speaker 9: Of the body. Are we on the same path? Who
Speaker 9: we have a consensus, a communion. We will have smoked
Speaker 9: proceeding around.
Speaker 8: Seven pm local time during Rome, but we're expecting it
Speaker 8: to be black now again, who knows tomorrow. They can
Speaker 8: have up to four votes until they've paid the pontiff,
Speaker 8: and that can go on three days, four.
Speaker 9: Days we expect.
Speaker 8: Looking at recent conclaims like the ones who elect for
Speaker 8: Francis co Benedict for John pol the second, they all
Speaker 8: lasted around two days, so we're thinking it could be
Speaker 8: around two days this time. But as we spoke about
Speaker 8: before Pole, the added complication is that Francis, in an
Speaker 8: effort to truly reflect the global Catholic Church in all
Speaker 8: its diversity has picked cardinals from the furthest reaches of
Speaker 8: the planet, places like Mongolia, South Sudan, and Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 8: So not only do these men not know each other
Speaker 8: as well as cardinals would have traditionally, but some come
Speaker 8: from more liberal, progressive countries where that will be where
Speaker 8: they want to put an emphasis. Others are coming from
Speaker 8: more conservative, more to.
Speaker 9: Initial societies and cultures, and.
Speaker 8: They will be the values that they want to see
Speaker 8: reflected in the new pope. So I think it's one
Speaker 8: of it's a difficult thing for these men inside when
Speaker 8: they're trying to make a decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a yes or that question, because I've got
Speaker 2: a little problem with your microphone. They just double chicking.
Speaker 2: Is there any cardinal who's just turned up from Afghanistan?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 8: I think, yes, you're a great camera man. Here is
Speaker 8: trying to fix the microphone. I think this is someone
Speaker 8: trying to you know, the evil forces. Oh, it fell
Speaker 8: off me. That's what happened.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 3: We're live.
Speaker 8: So I will persevere, and I.
Speaker 9: Will hold the smallest microphone in the world.
Speaker 8: But you know what, Actually I met the cardinal from
Speaker 8: Iraq two days ago on the street Cardinal Saco, and
Speaker 8: I was actually over interviewing him. Recently, I was in Baghdad,
Speaker 8: I was in a rebel and just when we talk
Speaker 8: about Paul, the different cardinals having different points of views,
Speaker 8: I mean, for someone like him coming from Iraq, where
Speaker 8: the Christians have been persecuted by Isis and so much
Speaker 8: over the centuries, you can just see when you meet
Speaker 8: these people problems that we, thankfully in our countries sometimes
Speaker 8: don't even realize exists. When I met the bishop from Kenya,
Speaker 8: he was telling me, Oh, in our country, we have
Speaker 8: a big problem with polygamy. People entering the Catholic Church
Speaker 8: who are four or five wives. What do we do
Speaker 8: when we quitten them? We also have a problem with
Speaker 8: witchcraft in certain very rural parts, in terms of people
Speaker 8: who are born with special needs and disabilities. And so
Speaker 8: it's a global church, and that's been reflected now at
Speaker 8: the moment. I think that's why it's all the more fascinating. Paul,
Speaker 8: be honest, does this looks ridiculous me holding this tiny microphone.
Speaker 2: No, it looks very masculine. There's no question whatsoever. You
Speaker 2: look fantastic as alls. But consider us a booked for
Speaker 2: tomorrow and night, and we'll make sure there's gaffer type
Speaker 2: that locks.
Speaker 1: The damned thing down.
Speaker 2: All right, lovely to see can you column?
Speaker 1: We got through it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Back to you, Paul, thank you.
Speaker 2: Coluin Flinn is his name. He is with the Catholic
Speaker 2: News Network. We'll check in again with him this time
Speaker 2: tomorrow and night. Now. In terms of the vote, it'll
Speaker 2: be at midnight Australian East Coast time tomorrow. There'll be
Speaker 2: votes at This is all sort of you know, Sidney Melbourne,
Speaker 2: Brisbane time six thirty, eight thirty and then one thirty
Speaker 2: and three am intwo Friday. All right, quick breakbacks with more.
Speaker 2: We'll make sure all the microphones work, tap tap tap,
Speaker 2: everything will be akay. I'll just make sure yes, all right, good,
Speaker 2: all right, I'll just double check. Okay you you just
Speaker 2: sit there, but I'll make sure everything's working, okay, come on,
Speaker 2: is this yeah? Okay?
Speaker 10: Good?
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 2: As always on a Wednesday night, and we have our
Speaker 2: conversation between liberal and labor stalwarts, legends of their times
Speaker 2: and very much part of the formary life family. Brom And,
Speaker 2: Bishop of corseformer Speaker of the House, former senator, former minister,
Speaker 2: former MPs, she knows the way around her party, which
Speaker 2: of course copped it on the weekend, nonether than Stephen
Speaker 2: Connery who's always here to help and geez, how did
Speaker 2: he help labor and the last weekend? I mean he
Speaker 2: was the secret source, who knew, who knew? All right, now,
Speaker 2: all of us have heard your reaction to the election
Speaker 2: on different shows. So rather than go over it, I
Speaker 2: wanted to get to a couple of complicated questions, the
Speaker 2: bigger than Team Red Team Blue. And it's a difficult
Speaker 2: conversation for us to have because I want to talk
Speaker 2: about how we make sure that our system is both
Speaker 2: respectful to all of the people who are here from
Speaker 2: lots of different places, and making sure that foreign interference
Speaker 2: is kept out of our political system. Now we know
Speaker 2: in the lead up to the election there was conversations
Speaker 2: about this volunteer and that volunteer. We know in the
Speaker 2: previous election, when Kristina Kanneely was trying to crown herself
Speaker 2: in Fowler again, there were connections too, very prominent groups
Speaker 2: that had their connections back to the Chinese Communist Party
Speaker 2: that she was going through to kiss the hand as
Speaker 2: part of the process of winning that electorate. We also
Speaker 2: know that there are at one point four minion Australians
Speaker 2: of Chinese descent who are reportedly offended at the conversations
Speaker 2: that even imply that there is any sort of foreign interference,
Speaker 2: let alone necessary defense conversations that need to take place.
Speaker 2: Now that's me trying to do it as definitely as possible.
Speaker 2: But it is big and it is complicated. So let's
Speaker 2: say China, Iran, the United States, United whatever, any foreign government. Stephen,
Speaker 2: how do we make sure that we keep the influence
Speaker 2: of foreign powers out of our elections without annoying the
Speaker 2: either former citizens or the children of the former citizens
Speaker 2: of insert country? Because I don't want to offend people,
Speaker 2: but I also don't want to flip the country over
Speaker 2: where this seat is this one and this seat is
Speaker 2: that one, and if you run the right candidate here,
Speaker 2: then its hands off.
Speaker 10: If we actually identify one country. So let's peak a nice,
Speaker 10: non controversial want Russia. So we know that Russia has
Speaker 10: been attempting to influence elections in the UK and in
Speaker 10: the US, so we need to be alert to it.
Speaker 10: I mean, Mike burgess As does a fabless job.
Speaker 1: Once a year. He gives a report. He talks about
Speaker 1: the sort of influences.
Speaker 10: He talks about what Asia are picking up in the
Speaker 10: channels that they listen to and in different agencies throughout
Speaker 10: the world, the five eyes.
Speaker 1: Networkers, it's often referred to.
Speaker 10: So we're able to keep a reasonable track where some
Speaker 10: countries seek to influence our politics. But we've got to
Speaker 10: start on the premise that we must not allow this
Speaker 10: to happen. That's your first premise. It is not acceptable
Speaker 10: for Russia or any other country to be trying to
Speaker 10: influence citizens in our country to vote for one party
Speaker 10: versus the other because one party might be tougher on
Speaker 10: it in international politics.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be you've got to have that
Speaker 1: as a premise.
Speaker 10: Then you need to be sensitive because not every citizen
Speaker 10: takes any notice of the country that their parents might
Speaker 10: have been from. So you have to find that right
Speaker 10: balance between co out and the simplest way to do
Speaker 10: it is identify the organizations that you know our fronts,
Speaker 10: and that's what Mike Burgess has done a great job
Speaker 10: over the last few years. You know, going to identify
Speaker 10: people who are clearly operating on behalf of foreign governments
Speaker 10: and using associations to try and peddle the propaganda of
Speaker 10: those countries, whether it's online forums or it's meetings of communities,
Speaker 10: holding dinners, all those sorts of things. So there are
Speaker 10: ways to do it in a sensitive way without accusing
Speaker 10: everybody from that country in the state we're talking in
Speaker 10: Russians Russian origin, that they might be willing to go
Speaker 10: out there and try and influence an Australian election. So
Speaker 10: there are gradations in there of how we got to
Speaker 10: do it because it is challenging for both political parties.
Speaker 10: In the heat in Shanghai, Sam for instance, is on
Speaker 10: came up because you know, the terminal government wanted to
Speaker 10: paint the Labor Party this week on soft on China.
Speaker 10: So you know, the heat, I'm an election campaign or
Speaker 10: lead up to an actually campaign, people are a little
Speaker 10: less gentle in their language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, But again for those that are half listening
Speaker 2: for somebody who's going to run after the umpire, I'm
Speaker 2: not suggesting that this is in any way what changed
Speaker 2: the election. All right, people made their choice. They made
Speaker 2: it very very clearly. Okay, But you notice these stories
Speaker 2: coming and going out of a couple of elections here
Speaker 2: and Bromwin. Again, you don't want to offend the citizenry,
Speaker 2: but you obviously have to call out the actions of
Speaker 2: foreign governments. How do we do this delicately because I'm
Speaker 2: not entirely sure that we're able to do it without
Speaker 2: the power of said government being able to get a
Speaker 2: message back saying that insert person who's trying to go
Speaker 2: after the actions of the government really going against the citizens.
Speaker 11: Well, it was done with Sam Destiari. But I agree
Speaker 11: with Stephen. That's why we have ASIO, That's that's its task.
Speaker 11: And whereas we're not naming any particular country, I mean
Speaker 11: there are other influences that come to when a visiting
Speaker 11: Muller who comes and preachs hatred, that's international interference.
Speaker 2: Good point.
Speaker 11: But also, if I can put it slightly differently, how
Speaker 11: would you categorize this? Mister Albanezier said he doesn't want
Speaker 11: to Americanize the Australian system, and yet there are three
Speaker 11: things he took directly from Biden, who incidentally was the
Speaker 11: first call. He talk of congratulations, listening student debt, taxing,
Speaker 11: unrealized capital games, and mercilessly attacking your opponent for character
Speaker 11: at every instance and tearing that person down. Now, those
Speaker 11: things came straight out the Biden administration. That's American influence
Speaker 11: if you like here now, but then.
Speaker 2: If the Conservative Party in the UK works out how
Speaker 2: to win an election, wouldn't the Liberal Party try to
Speaker 2: learn from them here? Well, that's true, that's true, But
Speaker 2: again it is super sensitive. It is really difficult to
Speaker 2: have the conversation without setting off a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: flares that don't really exist. They're just the noise on
Speaker 2: the internet and some serious conversations. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: I will be going up and reading up on some
Speaker 2: of the previous stuff that AISIO has done and its reports,
Speaker 2: so we can look for it in the next one
Speaker 2: to highlight it here. It'd be good to see. All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the Greens now again. I'm very excited, right,
Speaker 2: I was dancing. I was dancing last night about Zoe
Speaker 2: because she was dancing and then it ended up not happening.
Speaker 2: Adam Bant now gone. I think this is going to
Speaker 2: be a unity ticket of all three of us to
Speaker 2: be happy.
Speaker 1: This is such a unity ticket.
Speaker 2: Call like that, like that, Okay, I want you to
Speaker 2: outcompete for glee that Adam band is no longer part
Speaker 2: of the Australian political system. Browan scalar one to ten.
Speaker 2: How you feeling about it? Eleven everything that's about minus
Speaker 2: twitty at the moment. You'll take eleven out of this.
Speaker 11: It's quite interesting though you start to look at the figures.
Speaker 11: Their vote is down all over the place. They've still
Speaker 11: got eleven senators and that's the real danger because they
Speaker 11: are going to be in a position to say to
Speaker 11: the Labor Party, well, you legislate nature positive like we
Speaker 11: want it, otherwise we won't give you another piece of legislation.
Speaker 11: So it's going to be in a way, Misra ALBINIASI
Speaker 11: is going to have a lot of difficulty in governing.
Speaker 11: The election campaign who liked was a piece of cake
Speaker 11: because the countering campaign.
Speaker 2: Was not good.
Speaker 11: So what I put the proposition is a very large
Speaker 11: majority a blessing or a curse. And we're starting to
Speaker 11: see part of the curse. We're starting to see which
Speaker 11: New South Wales right minister is going to have to
Speaker 11: take be kicked out so that they can bring in
Speaker 11: somebody from the left.
Speaker 12: In Victoria.
Speaker 11: Those fights are going to go on, and you'll know
Speaker 11: those fights, Stephen very well.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, and in relation to that,
Speaker 2: remember an example, I think it was in the shadow
Speaker 2: ministry of Bill short And remember when Ed Husick was
Speaker 2: in and then out because they had to get somebody else.
Speaker 2: And yeah, well that would.
Speaker 11: Be a mistake, would be interesting the way the new
Speaker 11: Muslim parties would view there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a very strong minister and in
Speaker 2: my view of one day leader, which I know is
Speaker 2: terrible lead in his saddlebags, but I think he's a
Speaker 2: good bloke.
Speaker 1: I really do. Sorry, happy shut up, shut up?
Speaker 2: All right, So Stephen again, maybe there's a couple of
Speaker 2: things into this, but brom Win just quickly finish off.
Speaker 11: And then yet, if I can just finish off these
Speaker 11: minor parties, whether it's the DLP, the Democrats now, the Greens,
Speaker 11: only life last twenty five to thirty years, and I
Speaker 11: think times up for the Queens.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, obviously they'll havet to cycle that for
Speaker 2: a little while. But in terms of they haven't lost
Speaker 2: any Senate seats, I think they got everything return and
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens maybe in three years time. Stephen
Speaker 2: sort of two part of there about you know, celebrating
Speaker 2: the end of Adam Banton. Then you know, be careful
Speaker 2: what you wish for when you get what ninety seats.
Speaker 11: Had ninety seats, Stephen and if he got seventy nine,
Speaker 11: he might still be Prime minister today.
Speaker 10: Correct, Well, not his on Adam bad I did watch
Speaker 10: extraordinary hypocrisy as he sobbed into the camera earlier this week,
Speaker 10: sort of like that the Iraqi Minister for Defense all
Speaker 10: those years ago, saying that unfortunately.
Speaker 1: It was it was outrageous.
Speaker 10: The Liberal Party preferences were going to knock him out
Speaker 10: of parliament, whereas his first election and you put him
Speaker 10: there in the first place, so he won collection off
Speaker 10: the back of the Liberal and you were you were
Speaker 10: completely right, broman So he got elected on Liberal Party preferences.
Speaker 10: So he doesn't get the right to cry because the
Speaker 10: Liberal Party decided not to preference him and he gets defeated.
Speaker 10: So pure hypocrisies he sobbed into the camera the camera
Speaker 10: earlier in the week. Look, Bromin's right, there is always
Speaker 10: lots of challenges. Part of problem labors go at the
Speaker 10: moment and I'm not trying to deliberately contrast to the
Speaker 10: sort of lives at the moments we are genuinely overflowing
Speaker 10: with talent. We have a string of people on the
Speaker 10: back bench who absolutely could easily be ministers going forward,
Speaker 10: so we are we are blessed on a back bench
Speaker 10: that size. That does then therefore me that you have
Speaker 10: a lot of competition, a lot of desire, a lot
Speaker 10: of people who want to, you know, get their hand
Speaker 10: up and get to the front of the queue, and
Speaker 10: that is difficult managed. Fortunately, Labor has a traditional system.
Speaker 10: First will be elector the front bench. Kevin Rudd took
Speaker 10: it away and we've managed to get it back so
Speaker 10: that the caucus elects the front bench.
Speaker 1: So the caucus will be fracturous.
Speaker 10: I think the caucus meeting is on Friday to elect
Speaker 10: the front bench, and after that I think there'll be
Speaker 10: some disappointed people. I think Albo will get some degree
Speaker 10: of renewal, and then onwards people will knuckle down to
Speaker 10: their ministries. People will know the couple of weeks of
Speaker 10: parliament and then they'll get the break and arrest that
Speaker 10: they all deserve right across, because there's nothing more growing
Speaker 10: in the election campaign.
Speaker 11: Half Rob Stephen, the other half of the problem is
Speaker 11: doesn't matter whether the talent is there or not. There
Speaker 11: are people who come in there who believe they have
Speaker 11: the talent, and that's when the bickering starts, When the
Speaker 11: back when starting to backbit it on another one say
Speaker 11: if you can bring this minister down, I get an
Speaker 11: opportunity to go in and when you've got a big number,
Speaker 11: that's when it's a.
Speaker 2: All right, So Bromin, I have to ask the unpleasant question,
Speaker 2: do you even care who's going to lead the Liberals
Speaker 2: for the next lit the while?
Speaker 11: Well, yes, I do care, because whoever they choose, we're
Speaker 11: going to have to back up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, So.
Speaker 11: I'm not going in to say which one I think
Speaker 11: it should be, because, believe me, anyone who's in that
Speaker 11: party room does not want to hear from someone outside
Speaker 11: the party room telling them who they should be voting.
Speaker 2: For sure, I just suggest that every single seat that
Speaker 2: they lost at this election was when there were more
Speaker 2: female voters than male. That's not suggesting and I'm not
Speaker 2: endorsing Susan light Just if you want to give a
Speaker 2: middle finger, essentially be two other options and one that
Speaker 2: doesn't give the middle finger. There. All right, Stephen, can
Speaker 2: you give me an idea about your read of this
Speaker 2: ninety members of Parliament. Is there more left wing faction
Speaker 2: members more right wing faction or are we still kind
Speaker 2: of down the fifty to fifty because that will help
Speaker 2: tell us about, you know, the internal machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So, look, I think on the most current count and
Speaker 10: there's still ten or so seats that are too close
Speaker 10: to call. I think the left for the first time
Speaker 10: in a long time have got a very small majority
Speaker 10: over the right now because the way we do our
Speaker 10: internal balloting, we do it on the concept of PR
Speaker 10: power sharing, and that's probably one of the key differences
Speaker 10: is how we manage our differences wherever power arrangement based
Speaker 10: on PR.
Speaker 1: So a narrow.
Speaker 10: Majority to left is the right used to have sixteen
Speaker 10: and fourteen and now that will move to fifteen. All
Speaker 10: so there's no lurch to the left because they've got
Speaker 10: a small majority. It still works on the same basis
Speaker 10: that there's this power sharing arrangement. No one is dumb
Speaker 10: enough in modern labor politics to want to snatch everything
Speaker 10: just because they've got a water two vote majority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of advice to the.
Speaker 1: Totally self destructive.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, so we have long established systems to try
Speaker 10: and manage that, so no one plays winner take all.
Speaker 1: And because of that, despite some.
Speaker 10: Arguments over the next couple of days, people will move
Speaker 10: on next week.
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, Thank you guys. Thank you for
Speaker 2: everything during the election, after the election, and wayne into
Speaker 2: the future before the next election and after that. Thank
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Speaker 1: How are you mate?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. It's great to be here.
Speaker 2: Now, before we get to fashion and space, big news
Speaker 2: today that the Supreme Court is opening the way for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump to continue on with his band on transgender
Speaker 2: people being able to serve in the military.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, this is huge. Trump had
Speaker 3: lost this at one lower court and won this at
Speaker 3: a different lower court, and the Supreme Court had to
Speaker 3: step in. And it's not the ultimate win. This thing
Speaker 3: was still is still going to play out on the
Speaker 3: merits in these courses, in these cases as they go forward.
Speaker 3: But these courts had said you may not implement this
Speaker 3: ban while the cases are going forward. And now the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court has said yes he can, Yes he can.
Speaker 3: So they are going to separate with the trans so
Speaker 3: called trans service personnel. They will be ejected from the
Speaker 3: military and not allowed to join the branches. And as
Speaker 3: the case plays out on the merits, you know, it
Speaker 3: suggests that the Supreme Court is of a certain mindset
Speaker 3: when they actually do evaluate, you know what, whether this
Speaker 3: band can stand and whether this is a commander in
Speaker 3: chief decision versus a judge decision. So I think Trump's
Speaker 3: probably going to win this on the merits too, But
Speaker 3: for right now, big victory.
Speaker 2: Now, let's get to the cir called beautiful people and
Speaker 2: their prom the year twelve. Foremost, we would say here
Speaker 2: in Australia the met Gala. And I'll be honest, as
Speaker 2: a blurky bloke, I don't care about this event, but
Speaker 2: I know plenty of people do, and they seem to
Speaker 2: have had done themselves with wankering in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Five, I know. And honestly, it's like it's part of
Speaker 3: a trend. You know, we're seeing this everywhere. Chrissy Tiagan,
Speaker 3: that moron showed her underwear at the White House Correspondence dinner,
Speaker 3: which was with the President a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: All these Hollywood events now, or like the con Film Festival,
Speaker 3: like these big events with Hollywood stars, involve more and
Speaker 3: more parts you never used to show, like maybe you'd
Speaker 3: have a low plunging back where it'd go pretty low,
Speaker 3: but now they're halfway down the ass crack. Paul. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but if you go halfway down the ass crack, now
Speaker 3: you're starting to think about bodily functions and it's noticeably
Speaker 3: less hot. That's my own two cents, Okay, I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like you crossed over from like really sexy to more
Speaker 3: like clinical and biology related, and no one wants that.
Speaker 3: So I just think it's just one upsmanship for clicks.
Speaker 3: You know, they're dying to feel like they matter.
Speaker 2: Beside the loss, we previewed it last week, but now
Speaker 2: we can talk about the fact that you, my friend
Speaker 2: have been to Spice.
Speaker 12: Three women were brave enough to answer the call.
Speaker 3: And it's not a ride, it's a mission.
Speaker 12: This is special coverage of blonde Origin, zero gravity, zero clue.
Speaker 3: I've been, I've been, Paul. Soon now I can talk
Speaker 3: about it. I'm inspirational, I'm an astronaut, and thank you
Speaker 3: for admiring me the way I know all of you do.
Speaker 3: As a result of my massive achievement, we did the
Speaker 3: most epic trol ever of those morons on the so
Speaker 3: called Blue Origin spaceflight, where you could normally go up
Speaker 3: there for a million dollars a seat, or you could
Speaker 3: know Lauren Sanchez and Jeff Bezos and go free like
Speaker 3: these morons. So Gail King gets off of this flight
Speaker 3: and Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez and everybody starts dumping
Speaker 3: on them again, not unlike the met gala. If they
Speaker 3: had gotten off and said that was very cool, really
Speaker 3: honored to have been included, you know, totally unique experience.
Speaker 3: I'm humbled. We would not be doing have had any
Speaker 3: fun at their expense. But what happened was they got
Speaker 3: off the flight. We got profundities from Lauren Sanchez like
Speaker 3: so dark, so quiet. We got Katie Perry spending more
Speaker 3: time staring into the camera on the spacecraft than looking
Speaker 3: out the window at you know, space and holding her
Speaker 3: little daisy and then holding her little set list trying
Speaker 3: to promote her concert, and then coming down telling us
Speaker 3: how she's sang it's a wonderful world, and how amazing
Speaker 3: that was. Then then we did anything meaningful. So that's
Speaker 3: what's led to us reacting the way we have, and
Speaker 3: Gail King has been the worst of all. It was
Speaker 3: a huge mistake to include her. If she hadn't said
Speaker 3: the things she said, they still might have dodged the bullet.
Speaker 3: But she went day one, day two, day three post
Speaker 3: flight ripping on all of her critics. It's not a ride.
Speaker 3: Don't call it a ride. You never call it a
Speaker 3: ride when the male astronauts go up there, and then
Speaker 3: actually said it's astronaut. I still have trouble calling myself
Speaker 3: an astronaut. Of course you do. We all do, because
Speaker 3: you aren't one. What are you saying. We took the
Speaker 3: same flight path as Alan Shepherd. Alan Shepherd, we talked
Speaker 3: about this last week, who literally walked on the Moon
Speaker 3: and was the first to go up in outer space,
Speaker 3: and she wants credit like she's just like him. The
Speaker 3: risks were the same. She definitely feared, just as he did,
Speaker 3: that they were going to turn into one big fiery fireball,
Speaker 3: which was equally likely in Gail's case and that of
Speaker 3: Alan Shepard. So long story short, we decided to go
Speaker 3: up in what's called a zero gravity plane, which I recommend,
Speaker 3: and you get fifteen moments fifteen times of thirty seconds
Speaker 3: of pop zero gravity. So fifteen times I went up
Speaker 3: and for thirty seconds a pop almost was floating in
Speaker 3: the air, just like an astronaut with zero gravity, but
Speaker 3: not an astronaut, and in our case, not in outer space,
Speaker 3: just at like twenty five thousand feet in the air.
Speaker 3: It was so fun. It was the most epic troll
Speaker 3: of all time. We just kept making fun of them
Speaker 3: and spitting out their stupid lines, and I feel cleansed.
Speaker 3: It was extremely cathartic. And only now, Paul, do I
Speaker 3: feel that we as a society can move on from
Speaker 3: those morons.
Speaker 2: I think that you've touched the face of God, but
Speaker 2: you haven't just touched the face of God. You've done
Speaker 2: it with the back of your hand, in that loving
Speaker 2: and understanding way of touching those we care for.
Speaker 3: Yes, like I did it, and I felt that, And
Speaker 3: then I turned to the camera and gave it a
Speaker 3: middle finger, because that's really what God told me. He
Speaker 3: felt about the messaging that was coming out of Blue Origin.
Speaker 3: Ours is called Blonde Origin, and it was zero gravity,
Speaker 3: zero clue. That was our tagline and really should have
Speaker 3: been theirs. I urge anybody given this opportunity to try
Speaker 3: to have again the theme of our discussion today, some
Speaker 3: dignity while they do it, and some humility once it's over.
Speaker 3: In speaking about your big accomplishment, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Am in no danger of being invited to any of
Speaker 2: those eventsity times soon anytime. I get really awkward at
Speaker 2: those things. But these people that short of leaved for
Speaker 2: their found out to be taken this way. No way.
Speaker 2: But if you do ever get together new or go
Speaker 2: to the actual museum, it's quite interesting. All Right, that's
Speaker 2: a chef and I we'll see you again tomorrow. From
Speaker 2: more Paul Murray Law, I'd like to bite next