Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Burray Live. Thank you, Shazza,
Speaker 1: stay safe for Seala Telly next week. All the best
Speaker 1: to you in the community for the day's ahead. No
Speaker 1: suks now left us tonight. There's no build up other
Speaker 1: than that. That's what tonight's show is. Of course, as
Speaker 1: we talk about everything that's around today. That means Matt
Speaker 1: Cunningham will join us for a life from Darwin James
Speaker 1: Morrow here in the man Cave and then we go
Speaker 1: over to the UK where Nigel Farage. The only place
Speaker 1: to Seemlozsi Telly is here each and every week on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday, So I'm glad that's going to be the case.
Speaker 1: So a couple of things you may not have heard
Speaker 1: about thus far today. As we know, Australians are finding
Speaker 1: it very difficult to find a place to rent. Your kids,
Speaker 1: your grandkids are finding a very difficult time because they're
Speaker 1: competing against more people than ever before for fewer homes
Speaker 1: than ever before. Now, in part that's because we are
Speaker 1: not building enough houses. We know that there's been a
Speaker 1: whole series of building companies that have collapsed in the
Speaker 1: past couple of years. But remember the greatest Prime Minister
Speaker 1: of all time was going to fix all of that
Speaker 1: by now.
Speaker 2: We have an incentive for states and territories to meet
Speaker 2: that meet their own targets, to meet a national target
Speaker 2: of one point two million homes between now and twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: And we're getting on with it.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're getting on with it. The only problem is
Speaker 1: they're not. You see today the Australian Bureau of Statistics, Thank
Speaker 1: goodness for them. The best thing any government does, which
Speaker 1: is to give us the data which then we form
Speaker 1: our opinions. It showed about the number of brand new
Speaker 1: homes that are being approved to be built. The numbers
Speaker 1: are going backwards. In fact, well nine three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty eight new homes are about to be built approved
Speaker 1: in the month of August. That is, ever so slightly
Speaker 1: kind of the same as last month. You can see
Speaker 1: that when it comes to things that aren't houses, like
Speaker 1: say unit blocks that may well be available to rent, townhouses, villas,
Speaker 1: granny flats, all of that is down by sixteen and
Speaker 1: a half percent year on year. Now I point this
Speaker 1: out to you because there's an obvious consequence. Right In fact,
Speaker 1: if you actually have a look here at this graph,
Speaker 1: you can see that Australia is nowhere near building the
Speaker 1: amount of homes or approving the amount of homes that say,
Speaker 1: under the previous government peaked at in March of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, were was twenty two thousand, eight hundred homes.
Speaker 1: By January twenty three that had fallen to twelve thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred and five. And as we speak tonight, the
Speaker 1: numbers for August have come out as we start October
Speaker 1: and it is thirteen thy nine hundred and ninety one.
Speaker 1: Now this matters because firstly, we don't have enough houses
Speaker 1: for all of the people who are currently here, let
Speaker 1: alone all of the people that this government has brought
Speaker 1: into the country. Now again, I'm terrible at MATS. I
Speaker 1: did MATS in space in my year twelve, and even
Speaker 1: then I ailed it. I went to one of those
Speaker 1: schools where basically they knew we couldn't add up, so
Speaker 1: they just taught us probability because they know we'd probably
Speaker 1: end up as degenerate gamblers. But I can still work
Speaker 1: these numbers out. The last two years of data that
Speaker 1: we have for net migration is that nine hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty four thousand people have come to the country However,
Speaker 1: the total number of new dwellings that have been improved
Speaker 1: but it houses or units, is only two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy three six hundred and eighty seven, So not even
Speaker 1: a third of the extra people that have come into
Speaker 1: the country are being serviced by new dwellings, meaning that
Speaker 1: the line for rental cues gets longer, the line for
Speaker 1: a home to buy gets longer. The federal government gets
Speaker 1: to pat itself on the back because we've got a
Speaker 1: budget surplus, but you are competing with more people than
Speaker 1: ever before to have a roof over your head, but
Speaker 1: nothing to see here. We've got a plan, Well, the
Speaker 1: plan isn't working now. Today, the first of October is
Speaker 1: a major day when it comes to some health ideas
Speaker 1: in this country. Now, as you know, vaping has largely
Speaker 1: replaced the smoking of cigarettes or other tobacco products, mainly yes,
Speaker 1: for young people, but also for a whole collection of
Speaker 1: people who are trying to get off the stuff they
Speaker 1: had made be smoking for years. And it does feel
Speaker 1: like every second shop in many of our suburbs, certainly
Speaker 1: the further you go out from the city on our
Speaker 1: vape shops. Well, from today, vapes are no longer allowed
Speaker 1: to be sold in shops because of a decision that
Speaker 1: the Health Minister, Mark Butler made. His decision was that
Speaker 1: the place from today that you can get your vapes
Speaker 1: is not at a tobacconist, not at a vape shop,
Speaker 1: not at the service station, but from your local chemist.
Speaker 1: And unlike previous scenarios where generally speaking you'd have to
Speaker 1: go to the doctor first to give you a prescription
Speaker 1: and then the is filled by said chemist, you can
Speaker 1: walk in off the street and try to purchase effectively
Speaker 1: a tobacco replacement product that of course has things like
Speaker 1: nicotine in it. Now, the absurdity of this situation is
Speaker 1: that basically there's an honor system at play here. Let
Speaker 1: me explain, you don't need a prescription anymore. People will
Speaker 1: just wander into the chemist and they will say, I
Speaker 1: need a couple of apes pith, Okay, well how much.
Speaker 1: Well what they will give you is a month's worth
Speaker 1: of vapes based off what you tell them is your
Speaker 1: current monthly nicotine intake. So if you are a pacadet smoker,
Speaker 1: they would give you the equivalent of that when it
Speaker 1: comes to vapes. If you're the occasional party smoker, they
Speaker 1: will give you, of course much less, but if, like
Speaker 1: many people in this country, it's even a little more
Speaker 1: than all of that, you will end up getting a
Speaker 1: huge supply of vapes. Now, it's not going to take
Speaker 1: a lot of people to work this one out. But
Speaker 1: my criticism of this system apart from turning chemists into
Speaker 1: the place where now you can get your tobacco product
Speaker 1: or the tobacco replacement product, because it's all about getting
Speaker 1: people off the vapes, right. Despite the fact that you
Speaker 1: can walk in and say, yeah, no, I bang out
Speaker 1: a cart in a week, Okay, here's all the vapes
Speaker 1: you need for a month, that there are going to
Speaker 1: be people who may well keep some of those vapes
Speaker 1: from themselves. But I think we all know where it's
Speaker 1: going to end up, the black market. But of course
Speaker 1: the government is completely unwilling to say that this is
Speaker 1: one of the consequences but also one of the problems
Speaker 1: here that will increase the sales on the black market,
Speaker 1: just like the tobacco products that are currently on the
Speaker 1: black market, because this government is such a genius government
Speaker 1: to keep increasing the taxes on legal tobacco, meaning that
Speaker 1: in many of those vapor and tobacco shops which are
Speaker 1: in your local suburbs. You can get crap from China
Speaker 1: Chop Chop as a way of filling your nicotine rush.
Speaker 1: Should that be what you wish to do now? Of course,
Speaker 1: smoking is bad. Smoking will kill you, no question about it.
Speaker 1: As somebody who smokes too many cigars, I know what
Speaker 1: my future has in store for me. That's the reality.
Speaker 1: But chemists are now saying they don't want to stock them.
Speaker 1: In fact, they can't be forced by the government to
Speaker 1: stock them. So we're now going to have a scenario
Speaker 1: where the only place that you can legally get your
Speaker 1: vape is that the chemist, but not all chemists will
Speaker 1: stock them, meaning that certain chemists will see their profits
Speaker 1: go through the roof from this product. And the honor
Speaker 1: system means that they give you the amount that you
Speaker 1: ask for, because that's what you've said, is your monthly
Speaker 1: nicotine does some of the chemists that won't be selling
Speaker 1: vapes are the ones that you, of course should be supporting.
Speaker 1: Let's go through this here. This is from the Pharmacy
Speaker 1: Guild and what they had to say about the types
Speaker 1: of businesses that will not be involved in this little
Speaker 1: attempt to change things. Feedback from our members and the
Speaker 1: industry suggests that most pharmacists do not intend on stocking
Speaker 1: these products. Priceline Pharmacy, Terry White Kem Mart Blooms, the
Speaker 1: Chemist Pharmacy, Triple seven and National Pharmacies, particularly focused in
Speaker 1: South Australia already indicating they will not be doing this now. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's some of these places. There are other nicotine alternatives,
Speaker 1: and we are waiting to see what chemist Warehouse, one
Speaker 1: of the biggest providers of prescription medication and lots of
Speaker 1: other stuff in all of those aisles that you don't
Speaker 1: need a prescription for. What their plan is, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what they tell us when they get back to
Speaker 1: us over the next twenty four hours. But can you
Speaker 1: think of a dumber solution to the problem of vaping
Speaker 1: than literally creating an entirely new black market, rather than
Speaker 1: a market where, if they wanted to, they could continue
Speaker 1: to sell these thingsanists, but tax them in the same
Speaker 1: way that they tax other tobacco products as a way
Speaker 1: of making up revenue. No, instead, we're going to pretend
Speaker 1: that if magically it's no longer available, then nobody will
Speaker 1: want to use it, because that's worked with everything else
Speaker 1: that the government tries to ban right, why do that to chemists?
Speaker 1: They don't want to be tobacconists. Now, a couple of
Speaker 1: other things in and around politics that I would like
Speaker 1: to get to here, which is who would end up
Speaker 1: backing who should we end up with the hung parliament?
Speaker 1: That most likely is going to be the case after
Speaker 1: the next federal election. Now, as we know, the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister thinks that they budget surplus where they have no
Speaker 1: more money for charities dealing with cost of living, no
Speaker 1: more help when it comes to cost of living, that
Speaker 1: somehow that's going to result in them getting a majority government.
Speaker 1: But as was written today in the Australian newspaper, they
Speaker 1: think that all of these numbers basically say we're off
Speaker 1: the way March election. Some people say there's an very
Speaker 1: small window of something in December, but most likely March
Speaker 1: would be when we are headed. So we know that
Speaker 1: minority government is most likely what is going to happen?
Speaker 1: Why because the Poles have told us the Labour Party's
Speaker 1: primary vote the last election was thirty two and a
Speaker 1: half percent. Newspole say it's at the same mark. However,
Speaker 1: Resolve says it's way lower than that. Essential says it's
Speaker 1: way lower than that, Redbridge says it's about the same.
Speaker 1: JWS says about the same. And Morgan, who, by the
Speaker 1: way tonight has in two party preferred the coalition in front,
Speaker 1: by the way, fifty one to two forty nine. They
Speaker 1: too show that the Labour Party vote has fallen. But
Speaker 1: let's focus in on one particular pole, a JWS pole
Speaker 1: which has turned up in the Financial Review, which we
Speaker 1: told you before about how many seats the coalition would win,
Speaker 1: how many would lose, and there was a chance of
Speaker 1: this becoming not an each way albow but potentially an
Speaker 1: each way Liberal Labor minority government because under their calculations
Speaker 1: right now, they claim that right now it's fifty two
Speaker 1: forty eight, which means that a Dutton minority government may
Speaker 1: well be a potential outcome of the next election. Now,
Speaker 1: I think this is a little too generous, and you've
Speaker 1: heard me say this one thousand times before, But let's
Speaker 1: imagine there was a position where the Liberal Party was
Speaker 1: mathematically close enough to form government, the Labor Party was
Speaker 1: mathematically close to form government. Who would they pick? Well well,
Speaker 1: under the Financial Review, because they actually picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and started to ring some of these people and
Speaker 1: start to put some pressure on them so we would
Speaker 1: start to know what would happen when the government inevitably
Speaker 1: goes into minority. They ended up reaching out to five
Speaker 1: members of the current cross Bench, that being Rebecca Sharki,
Speaker 1: Helen Haynes, a legal spender, Bob Catter and our mate
Speaker 1: die Lee. Rebecca Sharky's the only one who's given an
Speaker 1: actual quote, but she says that she believes that her
Speaker 1: community would expect her to have a conversation with the
Speaker 1: Liberal Party first. Why because, of course the seat of
Speaker 1: Mayo is one that has been represented by, among others,
Speaker 1: Alexander Downer and the Liberal Party for a very long time,
Speaker 1: so a potential win there for Peter Dutton. Also worth noting,
Speaker 1: how two that die Lee. Now, you would say, Die
Speaker 1: Lee is from a place where that it used to
Speaker 1: be hardcore labor, so presumably she'd be pro labor right, No,
Speaker 1: because according to the AFR Today that while the rest
Speaker 1: of the country swung towards labor, Fowler had swung in
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. She pointed out to the local council results,
Speaker 1: which also showed that Labour had lost a swath of seats.
Speaker 1: She says that to me is an indication that something
Speaker 1: is happening. So maybe she could end up backing in
Speaker 1: a Dutton government. I would think it unlikely, but still potential.
Speaker 1: So what about Bob Catter. Bob Caatter has been through
Speaker 1: these negotiations plenty of times before. Of course, in twenty
Speaker 1: ten he ended up backing the coalition, but he told
Speaker 1: the Financial Review that he was very close to Anthony
Speaker 1: Abernezi and there was no guarantee that Dunton would get
Speaker 1: his support. While he labeled the opposition leader the pick
Speaker 1: of the bunch on both sides of politics when it
Speaker 1: comes to leadership, he is, however, critical of the people
Speaker 1: who are around him. So again questioned Mark, but you
Speaker 1: would presume that whoever's got the best deal for his
Speaker 1: part of Queensland, which you would have to think potentially
Speaker 1: could come from Peter Dutton. Well that'd be a good thing.
Speaker 1: What about the independence Helen Haynes and a legal spender. Now,
Speaker 1: Haines represents the seat that way back when, and I
Speaker 1: mean way back when, was a Liberal Party seat. However,
Speaker 1: has been independent so much so that she was able
Speaker 1: to replace the previous independent allegal spender of course, is
Speaker 1: the teal who is representing Wentworth. Haines has said that
Speaker 1: she would never sign away. Now listen to this. Listen
Speaker 1: to this for an absolute non answer. Right my view,
Speaker 1: she'd back Labor. But still Haines, the member for Endi
Speaker 1: and Victoria, says that she would never sign away her
Speaker 1: independent vote on bills in a deal, but she was
Speaker 1: open to negotiations about backing confidence of the House and
Speaker 1: budget bills. So which one would you pick? Well, of
Speaker 1: course she has to sit around and pretend, oh, both sides.
Speaker 1: She would back Labor why she likes their position when
Speaker 1: it comes to climate change, and certainly she would be
Speaker 1: no fan of Peter Duttont. But that's just me going
Speaker 1: off the entire form of her political career. Meantime, Allegra Spender,
Speaker 1: who has referred to herself as a small l Liberal
Speaker 1: and says that she views everything through a business lens,
Speaker 1: and the assumption is that this being a seat that
Speaker 1: used to be for the Liberals, that she most likely
Speaker 1: would end up potentially voting for the Libs. But again,
Speaker 1: no comment from her, so it's as clear as mud.
Speaker 1: But let me walk you through the rest of the
Speaker 1: cross bench as we head towards a minority government. If
Speaker 1: they were all returned. What would happen now? Andrew g
Speaker 1: is a former NATS The expectation is that that seat
Speaker 1: would go back to the Nats. But maybe he ends
Speaker 1: up being out. Taeler Teel who has frightened him in
Speaker 1: the past. Russell Borben who was a person who lost
Speaker 1: pre selection but may well somehow find a way to
Speaker 1: get back into the parliament. Well, both of those guys
Speaker 1: probably for Peter Dutton. Andrew Wilkie no chance he backed Gillard,
Speaker 1: which means of course he would back albow Maniue Ryan'sy,
Speaker 1: Daniel Zalie Steggle, Sophie Scomps and Kate Cheney. Well, all
Speaker 1: of them are in former Liberal Party seats. Now if
Speaker 1: they get re elected, would they all assume that there's
Speaker 1: been a revolution, there's no support for the Liberal Party anymore,
Speaker 1: Or if they did end up backing Labor into government,
Speaker 1: would they end up in the same position as Oakshot
Speaker 1: or windsor so. The Greens of course have four MPs
Speaker 1: and they back Gillard in twenty ten. So back of
Speaker 1: the envelope here. The Liberal Party's case, in my view
Speaker 1: is that the best they could possibly do out of
Speaker 1: the current cross bench of eighteen is to get nine. Okay,
Speaker 1: that means they would have to get sixty five seats
Speaker 1: at the next federal election. The Labor Party's best case,
Speaker 1: most likely is that they would end up with thirteen
Speaker 1: of the eighteen seats, meaning they can afford to fall
Speaker 1: from their current seventy eight seats in the Parliament down
Speaker 1: to sixty three, meaning if there is a minority government,
Speaker 1: most likely it would end up being a Labor one. Sadly,
Speaker 1: but apparently all of that may well just not be
Speaker 1: the case. A majority government may well be coming Labour's
Speaker 1: way because apart from the fact that it Dunton's unelectable,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that more people now are disapproving of
Speaker 1: the Prime minister of course, to sixty percent of people
Speaker 1: can't name a single thing the Prime Minister has done
Speaker 1: to improve their lives. But whatever again. Financial Reviews sorry
Speaker 1: for the endless plugs, but they had the good story today,
Speaker 1: which was an opinion persons who jesting that a rate
Speaker 1: cut will save Albanisi, potentially even keeping him in a
Speaker 1: majority and the National Australian Bank said today that they
Speaker 1: do expect a rate cut to happen not midway through
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, but potentially early in twenty and twenty five,
Speaker 1: maybe as early as February. Michelle Bullock, of course, is
Speaker 1: the Reserve Bank Governor, and it's important to note that
Speaker 1: she has said there will be no change this year
Speaker 1: and it's most likely to be towards the end of
Speaker 1: next year. And remember she's also said if you're suffering
Speaker 1: under interest rates right now, you should probably sell your house.
Speaker 1: So I don't think she's planning on saving Albo anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But that's just some of the maths. And I know
Speaker 1: you're hardcore politics people say, well, I wanted to peek
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. By the way, don't fat for anyone
Speaker 1: unless they're willing to actually tell you what they would
Speaker 1: do should they become in a position to choose the
Speaker 1: Government of Australia. If they can't answer the question and
Speaker 1: they're trying to have sor of you know, the elbow
Speaker 1: each way, don't vote for them. Meantime, Queensland official campaign
Speaker 1: has begun Day one of the election campaign. More importantly,
Speaker 1: twenty five days now until queensa gets the opportunity to
Speaker 1: flush the Miles government and end giggles premiership. He went
Speaker 1: to Government House today and who cares David Christofully. Meantime
Speaker 1: he was on the campaign trail. In fact, as early
Speaker 1: as yesterday he started his formal election campaign and he
Speaker 1: was in Bunderberg. All the poles say he is the
Speaker 1: next Premier of the Queensland fingers cross. That's the case.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to point something out to people here
Speaker 1: who may well think that a slam done. So it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So you know, I just let everyone else
Speaker 1: vote to change the government. In the queens enn Parliament,
Speaker 1: you need forty seven seats to form a majority. The
Speaker 1: Labour Party currently has fifty one, meaning they can lose
Speaker 1: four seats yet still hold on to the majority. The
Speaker 1: Liberal Party needs to win twelve seats to be able
Speaker 1: to form the majority, so they need to pick up
Speaker 1: seats all over the state, particularly in regional areas. And
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens when it comes to the Cross
Speaker 1: Beach Kadaz. Australia Party has four. There is one independent
Speaker 1: in the parliament and Green's hopefully there will be no
Speaker 1: more because today the LMP made a particularly excellent decision,
Speaker 1: which was they would put the Greens last and what
Speaker 1: actual fact preference labor over the Greens labor, of course,
Speaker 1: why would they do that. Let us turn our attention
Speaker 1: now to.
Speaker 3: The greater form of the media, the deeper end of
Speaker 3: the swimming pool, the more beloved broadcast, that being of course,
Speaker 3: the ABC.
Speaker 1: Now the ABC is of course beloved by many lefties
Speaker 1: around the country. In fact, they sometimes think the Patricia
Speaker 1: Cabalis is too right wing, but still they generally get
Speaker 1: what they want now, as you know, many of the
Speaker 1: things or the people who support the ABC blindly, who
Speaker 1: think there's no problems there, who think the problems are
Speaker 1: everything outside the building, the people who think they should
Speaker 1: get two billion dollars a year despite the fact that
Speaker 1: we have not one, but two two taxpayer funded broadcasters
Speaker 1: in the country, that and SBS, well, they of course say,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to see here. There is no fault whatsoever
Speaker 1: when it comes to the ABC, and if there is,
Speaker 1: it's sort of people have kind of got liberal party connections.
Speaker 1: The only problem was is that I thought we should
Speaker 1: actually have a look at what it's like to work
Speaker 1: for the ABC, the so called better of the rest
Speaker 1: of the Australian media, well, they underpaid their staff in fact,
Speaker 1: the number is about twelve million dollars that they have
Speaker 1: underpaid their staff over seven years. Okay, well that's the
Speaker 1: only thing, right. Well, what about a survey of their
Speaker 1: own news and Current affairs people that suggested that sexual
Speaker 1: harassment is quite a problem for the people who work there.
Speaker 1: In fact, according to the ABC reporting about the ABC,
Speaker 1: which we know they love to do, a survey of
Speaker 1: ABC News staff has found thirteen percent of respondents to
Speaker 1: a survey experienced sexual harassment at work, and more than
Speaker 1: a quarter have been bullied over the past two years.
Speaker 1: It's been described as pervasive. Well, okay, they've paid back
Speaker 1: the money and surely they've learned their lesson then, I
Speaker 1: mean David Anderson, the current boss, thinking of jumping ship
Speaker 1: a couple of years early. I mean, he's done his sorries, right,
Speaker 1: except for what happened today when David Anderson says we
Speaker 1: must do better. Why because they've got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a racial problem. In fact, again, the ABC writing
Speaker 1: about the ABC says that among the experiences that have
Speaker 1: been documented in cases of racial slurs or offensive comments
Speaker 1: about a person's appearance or cultural practices and being excluded
Speaker 1: from workplace and social functions due to their background. These
Speaker 1: are the people that are better than everyone else in
Speaker 1: the media. Just sit there and watch media Watch. They'll
Speaker 1: tell you why everything else is terrible. But this is
Speaker 1: what's going on inside their own walls. The reviewers heard
Speaker 1: of staff being mistaken for someone junior based on their
Speaker 1: racial appearance because you know, everyone looks the same, right,
Speaker 1: and staff are being passed up opportunities because you are
Speaker 1: considered to have been hired only to meet a diversity quota. Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's you know, that's clearly problem with only a
Speaker 1: certain type of staff member. And thankfully there are more
Speaker 1: modern examples about an ABC that's got a big and
Speaker 1: bright future in front of it, including the bloke who
Speaker 1: was nominated for gold Loki Tony Armstrong of course, the former.
Speaker 4: Footy player and beloved. I mean everything he does, it's
Speaker 4: just amazing. It's like a member of our family. He's
Speaker 4: called no controversy around him. Oh yeah, apparently.
Speaker 1: He has been caught doing ads and you know how
Speaker 1: ABC people aren't supposed to flog products. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: flogging Nroma, the insurance company during the Olympic Games. Nothing
Speaker 1: to see here. They're better than everyone else and while
Speaker 1: I'm continuing to make friends in the media, I would
Speaker 1: like to have a little focus here on the Channel
Speaker 1: one newspapers and specifically the Sydney Morning Herald. Now the
Speaker 1: Sydney Morning Herald is of course one of the great
Speaker 1: news institutions of Australia, have been around for an incredibly
Speaker 1: long period of time, and they've decided to do some
Speaker 1: interesting reporting at the moment, which is to pull people
Speaker 1: together to talk about the COVID lockdowns of New South Wales.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, there's some really interesting insights into
Speaker 1: stuff that frankly you and I were saying all the
Speaker 1: way through. But remember what they said about us at
Speaker 1: the time. One of the conclusions of their COVID panel
Speaker 1: this is running in a store in a series of
Speaker 1: stories this week. I think virus transmission alone should not
Speaker 1: dictate public health orders in a future pandemic. Really, it's
Speaker 1: that they've gone all Sky News on us. This is
Speaker 1: what we were saying at the time. Border closures must
Speaker 1: be informed by nationally agreed frameworks. According to the people
Speaker 1: who were talking about the COVID failings. The panel, which
Speaker 1: was convened by The Herald to examine how COVID lockdowns
Speaker 1: were designed and enforced chiefly in New South Wales. Broadly
Speaker 1: agreed that policy makers overlooked social cohesion and mental health factors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember saying that. You remember saying that, and you
Speaker 1: remember what they said about us for saying that. They
Speaker 1: also argued that government should not regard the health and
Speaker 1: economic outcomes as separate. They were intrinsically linked. They've literally
Speaker 1: it's like they've gone back and transcribed the editorials from
Speaker 1: this program and other presenters on this station that we
Speaker 1: did from day one and for the years of this
Speaker 1: garbage we all had to live with also the economic
Speaker 1: damage from shutdowns and stay at home orders that would
Speaker 1: inevitably affect people's health. Wow, I mean, surely breaking news exclusive. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: someone somewhere in the Australian media has decided to notice
Speaker 1: that there were significant issues that were visible to the
Speaker 1: naked eye at the time, but of course was shouted down, ignored,
Speaker 1: or were put into some sort of conspiracy theorist world.
Speaker 1: Mick Fuller, the former Police Commissioner of New South Wales,
Speaker 1: is part of this series of reporting in the Citny
Speaker 1: Morning Herald and he was on with my friend Chris Kenny,
Speaker 1: who's been saying what I've been saying since day one.
Speaker 5: So when we have these sort of global shocks, Chris,
Speaker 5: it means that I think at times governments have to make,
Speaker 5: you know, pretty difficult decisions, some Toukrainian laws, but that
Speaker 5: is about protecting.
Speaker 1: The system itself.
Speaker 5: One of the greatest challenges was when does the economics
Speaker 5: cross with the health outcomes of the people of New
Speaker 5: South Wales. And I think that probably happened too late.
Speaker 5: In hindsight, I thought about.
Speaker 1: This all day. Do I or don't I say it?
Speaker 1: Douay or don't I say it? Do I create more
Speaker 1: enemies inside the Australian media. I'm rather friendless when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Australian media. But that's okay, cool, I'm
Speaker 1: doing it for you and I've got plenty of support here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Remember when Gladys Borogicalian was the Premier
Speaker 1: of New South Wales and of course she was giving
Speaker 1: the daily press conferences and you know, the ABC medicos
Speaker 1: and the Twitter types were all sort of lock it down,
Speaker 1: look it down, look it down. Well, of course, sir
Speaker 1: the City Mounding Hero, which among other things, has concluded
Speaker 1: today as I said to you that lockdowns have greater
Speaker 1: effects than just dealing with the virus. What did they
Speaker 1: write about Gladys spiogically and lockdowns? Well back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, they wrote, for the past eight weeks the
Speaker 1: news of Pult's premier, Gladys spieragically and has dismissed COVID
Speaker 1: nineteen measures as such as curfews, outdoor masks, wearing and
Speaker 1: effective ring of steel around Sydney, and limits on outdoor
Speaker 1: exercise all better ideas that Dan was doing, but we
Speaker 1: weren't doing them enough. The same newspaper that is now
Speaker 1: saying what the consequences are of all of these things?
Speaker 1: They went on. They've been employed in other states to
Speaker 1: varying degrees of success, but misspiergically and has rejected them,
Speaker 1: often with contempt, promising that her governments proportionate response would
Speaker 1: lead the state to freedom. She has been right to say,
Speaker 1: as we all agree, the evidence in favor of curfus
Speaker 1: and limits it outdoor activities is mixed at best, because
Speaker 1: there's simply no strong evidence at outdoor transmission. In fact,
Speaker 1: there was none according to the niss Sobel's Health Department.
Speaker 1: But Miss Piagicklian has also failed to acknowledge that these
Speaker 1: measures would send a clear message. So we should go
Speaker 1: into lockdown, we should go into ring a steel, we
Speaker 1: should have a curfew, we should have choppers flying over
Speaker 1: because it sends a message. The same people who now
Speaker 1: have discovered that all of this has consequences. I've got more,
Speaker 1: same newspaper, gladys piagically must stop playing catch up with
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, Premier must stop the spin about a quick
Speaker 1: exit from lockdown. And then when she, of course she
Speaker 1: did lockdown even harder the way they wanted it. Premier
Speaker 1: shows her metal by making the tough call on lockdown.
Speaker 1: So I say well done to the Herald for joining
Speaker 1: us in common sense land, where the evidence was clear
Speaker 1: from very early on. Not the first couple of months,
Speaker 1: obviously that was all up for grabs. But after a
Speaker 1: couple of months we all knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: But the only instrument the blunt instrument. Because three hundred
Speaker 1: cases a day, do you want to know how many
Speaker 1: are around now? How many people are apparently dying with COVID?
Speaker 1: It's a lot more than any lockdown moment during twenty
Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty one or whatever people were dreaming of
Speaker 1: for the past couple of years. Since so great that
Speaker 1: you're writing at But I noticed in your first story
Speaker 1: you don't make any mention of the media that helped
Speaker 1: pressure the existence of the lockdowns, who wanted them to
Speaker 1: go harder, who wanted them to be tougher, who wanted
Speaker 1: them to hurt more people. Perhaps that's in part two
Speaker 1: because today no mention of that, including their own role
Speaker 1: in making sure that terrible decisions were being made during
Speaker 1: that period of time. Dodger, no, miss you and me.
Speaker 1: You and me be here every night, all right, be
Speaker 1: here every night because I need you as the friend.
Speaker 1: I don't have many others outside the building. But I
Speaker 1: don't care, all right, to a fault, I don't care. Now,
Speaker 1: remember how scooters have been banned in Melbourne, those rental scooters.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Race was on the show on Sunday night, the
Speaker 1: Lord Mayor saying this is one of the things that
Speaker 1: people really liked. Most of the audience clapped and agreed
Speaker 1: they don't like the scooters. Okay, personally I love them,
Speaker 1: but that's the decision that's been made in Melbourne. Well,
Speaker 1: somebody decided to write an opinion piece in one of
Speaker 1: the newspapers the Age, saying, sure, ban scooters, but while
Speaker 1: you're at it, ban monster SUVs as well, among one
Speaker 1: of the arguments as to why big cars should no
Speaker 1: longer be allowed in and around the streets of Melbourne.
Speaker 1: Larger cars are also, of course, a good deal worse
Speaker 1: for our emissions, using more steel and consuming more petrol,
Speaker 1: bringing forward the times of tribulation, where the crops fail,
Speaker 1: populations move all of course you've got a big car, okay,
Speaker 1: and people die of heat stroke by the thousands, all
Speaker 1: because you've got an suv all right, let alone a
Speaker 1: ram meaning that, of course scooters doesn't matter whatsoever. Well,
Speaker 1: I over a solution for this bloke. Everyone else who
Speaker 1: does often mouth off about the size of cars that
Speaker 1: are in our cities. Feel free to complain about what
Speaker 1: China's doing. Australia is one percent of the world's problem.
Speaker 1: Should we do our part to reduce it? Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: So if you'd like to make a complaint about who's
Speaker 1: actually destroying the planet right now, forget having a go
Speaker 1: at your local suv owner and go to in this case,
Speaker 1: the Chinese consulate in Melbourne. It's on two rec road.
Speaker 1: You could walk there, you could cycle there, you can
Speaker 1: get a piggyback from another lefty, but feel free to
Speaker 1: go to the place that's actually causing trouble rather than
Speaker 1: pretending the next door neighbour's car is the real reason
Speaker 1: thousands will die. Now, as you know, there is a
Speaker 1: significant consequence when it comes to climate change, which is storms,
Speaker 1: not going to pretend that's not the case. And because
Speaker 1: China is currently doing what it's doing, there are particular
Speaker 1: examples about some big storms that are happening, like in
Speaker 1: the United States right now, in fact, that John hurricane
Speaker 1: across multiple states. This has been terrible. I think it's
Speaker 1: aout one hundred and thirty people that have died. Many
Speaker 1: more will find out in the next of the while,
Speaker 1: but it's been bloody awful. Today Donald Trump was in
Speaker 1: one of the affected areas, and among other things, what
Speaker 1: he's trying to get fixed as soon as possible, like
Speaker 1: maybe as soon as like a couple of days time,
Speaker 1: is people being able to have access to the internet
Speaker 1: so they can start to communicate what's going on in
Speaker 1: their house with the emergency officials. This was a good
Speaker 1: moment for Trump today.
Speaker 6: Nobody's seen anything like it, And to every family that's
Speaker 6: been displaced here in Georgia and North Carolina, which has
Speaker 6: really been head We were going there also and they
Speaker 6: don't have communication. They don't have anything right now that
Speaker 6: we're trying to. I just spoke to Elon. I'm getting him.
Speaker 6: We want to get Starlink hooked up because they have
Speaker 6: no communication whatsoever. And Elon will always come through. I
Speaker 6: know that good stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, Kamala Harris, of course, needs to pretend that she
Speaker 1: is completely in charge because she's the vice president. But
Speaker 1: remember when she's running, she's not really running as the
Speaker 1: vice president because she's the candidate of change. Have look
Speaker 1: at that photo. Not a lot on the pieces of
Speaker 1: paper and the headphones that she's clearly listening to because
Speaker 1: she's part of her phone conversation, not plugged into her phone.
Speaker 1: This is her whole bunch of nonsense to make it
Speaker 1: look like she's involved in the clean up efforts. As
Speaker 1: Trump says, correctly, you have to put the cord in
Speaker 1: the phone for it to work. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: you know how George Bush hated black people. According to
Speaker 1: Kanye way back was a Kanye I think so way
Speaker 1: back when one of the telethons, by the way, no
Speaker 1: plan of a telethon when it's the Southern States noticed,
Speaker 1: that's no, none of that right, There's no political advantage
Speaker 1: in any of that. And all the stars are already,
Speaker 1: of course, hanging out with Kamala Harris literally while the
Speaker 1: hurricane was hitting these multiple areas, while it was displacing
Speaker 1: thousands of people and killing at least one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty people. Guess where Kamala Harris was. Had she canceled
Speaker 1: all of her campaign appearances. No, back in Washington in
Speaker 1: the situation room, watching what was taking place, because apparently
Speaker 1: she is involved in the federal government when she chooses
Speaker 1: to be. No, I'll let Meghan Kelly explain where she
Speaker 1: was when the hurricane was hitting.
Speaker 7: Kamala Harris attended an LA fundraiser. Kamala Harris is at
Speaker 7: an LA fundraiser with Stevie Wonder, Keegan Michael Key, Sterling Brown,
Speaker 7: Demi Levado, Jessica Alba, Lily Tomlin, Alanis Morissett, and Holly
Speaker 7: Bailey performing menu duck, egg roll, goat cheese, honey, blueberry ball, beef,
Speaker 7: wellington lobster roll, and crabcakes. The devastation.
Speaker 1: Going, Victor. How dare she? I'm just to go.
Speaker 8: Grew up in a middle class home, who understands what
Speaker 8: it's like an opportunity reality when Americans were hurting and
Speaker 8: they needed somebody to be able to respond to what
Speaker 8: was happening. When it was happening, she was hanging out
Speaker 8: with the A listers, raising money for herself to eventually
Speaker 8: become a president that presumably would care if this happens
Speaker 8: anytime other than election time. Plenty more to talk about,
Speaker 8: No looks, no left, He's looking forward to it. Matt
Speaker 8: Cunningham joins us from Darwin, James Morrow in the man Cave,
Speaker 8: and then of.
Speaker 1: Course Nager Ferras. Before we're done, a dodger. You and
Speaker 1: me stick together, Stick together because outside of this box
Speaker 1: fairly desolate career options for me. Stick with it, right,
Speaker 1: I've had plenty to say, So let's get these blokes,
Speaker 1: said none other than James Morrow. Of course you can
Speaker 1: see him on outside as the US Report read him
Speaker 1: in the Telegraph, rock and roll and often hosting this program.
Speaker 1: God loave you true, I love it. Always incapable and
Speaker 1: wonderful hands. Speaking of Matt Cunningham joins us now not
Speaker 1: from our Darwin Studio parents on the Fritz. I think
Speaker 1: he's in his backyard. That is do it yourself TV mate,
Speaker 1: Well played wherever you happen to be. I'm glad you're here,
Speaker 1: all right, So Matt, I'm going to start first with you.
Speaker 1: We all saw what happened with Peter Dutton today, this
Speaker 1: question from the ABC and of course his response. I
Speaker 1: think it's been played a thousand times, so I won't
Speaker 1: played one thousand and one. But what's your sense of here?
Speaker 1: Because you've seen politicians try to make things about the media,
Speaker 1: but then equally when the media asks a question as
Speaker 1: stupid as why is the Israeli flag okay? But the
Speaker 1: hes Bala flag isn't, Well, you've got to expect it
Speaker 1: right between the eyes metaphorically when you say something as stupid.
Speaker 9: As that, right, and that's where the reporter got it. Mean,
Speaker 9: I think Peter Dunn't was one hundred percent right to
Speaker 9: call that out and he's done it before. I mean,
Speaker 9: you'll remember it when he was in Alice Springs last year,
Speaker 9: Paul and he was being asked about some of the
Speaker 9: issues of child sex abuse and it was being basically
Speaker 9: put to him that he was overstating the issue or
Speaker 9: basically making things up, and he got very shirty at
Speaker 9: the time, justifiably so about that accusation that was being
Speaker 9: put to him. But you know, in this case, it's
Speaker 9: just simply almost bizarre that that comparison was being made.
Speaker 9: You have one organization that is a terrorist organization, has
Speaker 9: been recognized as such by both sides of politics for
Speaker 9: more than twenty years, and the other is a Western democracy,
Speaker 9: well not a Western democracy, but obviously a democracy in
Speaker 9: the Middle East. So you know, to make that comparison,
Speaker 9: it was way off the mark, and I think the
Speaker 9: opposition leader was right to call it out.
Speaker 1: Now I completely agree, and I completely agree that he
Speaker 1: gave it to them. But let's do devil's advocate for
Speaker 1: a second here, James. It's great for the base, it's
Speaker 1: great for those of us that want to push back
Speaker 1: against cultural this, that and the other. However, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to reach out beyond who already loves you, is
Speaker 1: the ABC the one that you go for a whack at.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to do it, but I'm yeah, I am yeah.
Speaker 10: I think it is for a few reasons here. I mean,
Speaker 10: number one, I think if you look at the ABC's ratings,
Speaker 10: you'll note that they are more and more out of
Speaker 10: touch with what is happening in mainstream Australia. So I
Speaker 10: think that, you know, in terms of having a fair
Speaker 10: whack at the ABC for trousering more than a billion
Speaker 10: dollars of our tax money every single year pole and
Speaker 10: then producing stuff that nobody wants to watch, and the
Speaker 10: numbers show that with.
Speaker 1: Them to stuff with the being underpaid, sexual harassment.
Speaker 10: And the racism and the racism and everything else and
Speaker 10: every other thing, you know. So yeah, no, look, I
Speaker 10: think that, you know, in terms of growing the base,
Speaker 10: I think an awful lot of people look at the
Speaker 10: ABC and say, this is an outfit that is taking
Speaker 10: money out of my pocket and that, aside from Bluey,
Speaker 10: isn't giving us anything that we particularly like. Now beyond that,
Speaker 10: also ABC Class School. We love our ABC Class School.
Speaker 10: But that's a whole other story. But anyway, but the
Speaker 10: other thing too is that there's a really key education
Speaker 10: piece here too, because there is this sort of sense
Speaker 10: that there's this kind of relativist contest here. Hence be
Speaker 10: there the bottle of guys Israel, there the Jewish guys
Speaker 10: and blah blah, blah. But people need to understand what
Speaker 10: has blas all about. For forty years, they have been
Speaker 10: bombing embassies, bombing Jewish cultural centers as far away as Argentina,
Speaker 10: hijacking airplanes, kidnapping people, torturing them. These are objectively the
Speaker 10: bad guys. And to see what we saw where we
Speaker 10: had people marching with the flags of the national artposters
Speaker 10: like it was Beirut, that's a disgrace.
Speaker 1: And also the Lebanese people don't want them, right, the
Speaker 1: government doesn't want them all right. They are not some
Speaker 1: sort of proxy of the Lebanese government.
Speaker 10: They're a state within a state.
Speaker 1: That's what they are, thank you exactly all right. So again,
Speaker 1: you know, thoughts with people in Australia caring about what's
Speaker 1: happening there are certainly not just what's happening with Israel,
Speaker 1: but also in terms of their family in Lebanon, not
Speaker 1: talking about you know, pro Hesboala or anything, just talking
Speaker 1: about the many hundreds of thousands of people they're affected
Speaker 1: in multiple ways there. Now, of course, queens and election
Speaker 1: fires off today. I mentioned before what the size of
Speaker 1: the hill is for the opposition, but it looks like
Speaker 1: it's going to get there. But what about Stephen mars Now,
Speaker 1: youth crime a one issue. Every time I've gone anywhere
Speaker 1: near Queen's at in Newham often I'm in queens Man,
Speaker 1: all right, But he says everything's getting better.
Speaker 11: What we know is that our community Safety plan is working.
Speaker 11: Our community Safety Plan invests into programs that we know
Speaker 11: are working.
Speaker 4: And many of.
Speaker 11: Those programs have been piloted here in Townsville, and we
Speaker 11: are either expanding them or taking them elsewhere around the state.
Speaker 11: In fact, we can now report that in the last
Speaker 11: nine months we've seen eighteen percent reduction in serious repeat
Speaker 11: offenders across the state.
Speaker 1: Please please, please, please please. You saw this, of course
Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory election, Matt when in this case,
Speaker 1: yet another labor government is trying to do the Jedi
Speaker 1: mind trick. This is not as bad as you think.
Speaker 1: The numbers are actually going down. Yet everyone's got a
Speaker 1: story about their car getting ripped off.
Speaker 9: Yeah, who do you believe me or your own eyes?
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the question, isn't it. And when voters
Speaker 9: get to vote, you know they vote pretty loudly and
Speaker 9: pretty clearly, as they did here in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 9: It's going to be so interesting to watch that election,
Speaker 9: because I mean most people would be predicting a carbon
Speaker 9: copy of what we had happened here in the Northern Territory,
Speaker 9: particularly in places like Townsville where issues are so similar,
Speaker 9: particularly the issue of youth crime. And I'll tell you
Speaker 9: what here in Darwin and in other parts of the
Speaker 9: Northern Territory, in fact, most of the Northern Territory baseball
Speaker 9: bats were well and truly out. The government here tried
Speaker 9: to do the same thing that Steven Miles is trying
Speaker 9: to do now. It is trying to sort of turn
Speaker 9: the ship around. You know, the previous leader has gone,
Speaker 9: Palichet's gone. I'm a different guy. I've got a different approach,
Speaker 9: and I'm trying to tell you that what we're doing
Speaker 9: is working well. I reckon it's probably going to be
Speaker 9: too little and too late for Stephen Miles, because I
Speaker 9: think the voters in Queensland probably made up their mind
Speaker 9: a long time ago.
Speaker 1: From your mouth, from your lips to their pencils that
Speaker 1: they're going to get into the ballot with. But also, James,
Speaker 1: another version of this is the economy. Right the federal
Speaker 1: government's trying to turn around and say oh, we'll got
Speaker 1: a budget surplus and this is good, and this is good.
Speaker 1: You cannot convince people that their circumstances are not what
Speaker 1: they leave. And it's the same with youth crime. It's
Speaker 1: the same with the economy. And we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: in about a months time.
Speaker 10: Well yeah, And I mean, this is this thing the
Speaker 10: politicians always do. They do a terrible, terrible job throughout
Speaker 10: their term of government. Everything goes to custard of the
Speaker 10: perverbial or whatever, and then you know, at the very
Speaker 10: they say, hey, look, look, look we're fixing things, we're
Speaker 10: approving things. But it's like, well, why didn't you fix
Speaker 10: the youth crime thing for all the years that you've
Speaker 10: been an off as previously. Now, the one interesting thing
Speaker 10: about this, there's gonna be a wrinkle to the selection
Speaker 10: because I think there is no I told somebody in
Speaker 10: Brisbane a while ago, there's still a lot of support
Speaker 10: for Smiles around that kind of Brisbane area. Southeast in
Speaker 10: Southeast Queensland is very lefty and it's just going to break.
Speaker 10: It's going to be about breaking enough seats north of that.
Speaker 1: And also, can I say too without getting too boring
Speaker 1: for everyone, but there are four case seats in and
Speaker 1: around Townsville. They should have had a massive sweep out
Speaker 1: four years ago, right because crime was again part of
Speaker 1: the issue there. Labor was able to hold onto everything
Speaker 1: up there. Now I don't think that's going to be
Speaker 1: the case this time. We certainly know that they had
Speaker 1: a change of mayor, but then there's controversy about that men,
Speaker 1: so Labor thinks there's some way of holding on there.
Speaker 1: But there's also plenty of reporting that regional MPs for
Speaker 1: the Labor Party are literally giving up and don't even
Speaker 1: really trying in all of them. So we'll all see
Speaker 1: what happens. All right, lads, I do appreciate it. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. See you James on the weekend of
Speaker 1: course with Outsiders and the US Report Friday night, as
Speaker 1: well having a look at the vice presidential debate, which
Speaker 1: you'll see here tomorrow one Skuy News. Thank you also,
Speaker 1: Matt enjoy the night there in Darwin. It's amazing. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get back to nosokno lefties Niger Farras straight after
Speaker 1: the break here on Paul Murray Live. Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a lot of things that are happening
Speaker 1: in the UK. Okay, we're not going to do American
Speaker 1: politics that much. There's a lot of weird stuff in
Speaker 1: the UK happening right now, so stick about. Niger Farras
Speaker 1: is the leader of the UK Reform Party. He joins
Speaker 1: us now from beautiful England where there's much to discuss
Speaker 1: because there's some weird stuff going on with the new
Speaker 1: Prime Minister, Nigel Love it to say, you mate, thank
Speaker 1: you all right, So what's going on here where there's
Speaker 1: all sorts of freebies and gifts and things that are
Speaker 1: starting to bring the air of stink around a brand
Speaker 1: new government and everyone knows the newcast mill never lasts
Speaker 1: as long as everyone wanted.
Speaker 12: Well, that's right, and I mean, you know, in opposition,
Speaker 12: keirst Armer was very much the art holier than thou.
Speaker 12: You know, we get into government, it's all going to
Speaker 12: be different. The culture of entitlement will be gone. And
Speaker 12: we discover that not only has he been staying in
Speaker 12: a luxury you know, eighteen million Quidsworth penthouse, but when
Speaker 12: he declares the gift from Lord Ali, he massively underestimates
Speaker 12: the value of it. And then by a bit we
Speaker 12: learn that not only does he get a box at
Speaker 12: Arsenal Football Club, which by the way, I don't grudge
Speaker 12: him that, I really don't, but he's had a whole
Speaker 12: load of suits and even glasses paid for by a donor.
Speaker 12: Now this does not look like, you know, the puritanical
Speaker 12: care starm where it looks like someone on the take.
Speaker 12: And the one thing the British public can't stand is hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: Well, not to mention again the sant deminy that he
Speaker 1: displayed in concert with the media about everything to do
Speaker 1: with Boris Johnson. Yet of course you know, one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why it went the way that it went,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that their numbers didn't really go up
Speaker 1: that high, it was about the collapse of the Conservatives
Speaker 1: as we know, is that there was an expectation of
Speaker 1: something else and if there's more of the same, that's
Speaker 1: good for people who would like to change the system,
Speaker 1: like your good self.
Speaker 12: What it is, and I mean, could you believe it?
Speaker 12: I don't know what you think of these, but I
Speaker 12: thought them myself. It's amazing too.
Speaker 1: Maybe too that's QUI.
Speaker 12: I look, you know, honestly, we've got a labor party
Speaker 12: and you know we're only you know, only a couple
Speaker 12: of months in whose popularity and support is collapsing already.
Speaker 12: We've got a Conservative Party up at their conference in
Speaker 12: Birmingham and the Midlands who are constantly at war with
Speaker 12: each other and split and yeah, reform are now the challengers.
Speaker 12: You know, we're lying very firmly in third place. Let's
Speaker 12: see what happens. But I wouldn't be surprised if you
Speaker 12: didn't see very big change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as we see right now, I think
Speaker 1: it's what four people that are going to be going
Speaker 1: for Conservative leadership. Now. Of course they're not just going
Speaker 1: to be trying to look this way on the government.
Speaker 1: They're going to be looking this way at what you've
Speaker 1: been able to build with literally millions of people, and
Speaker 1: depending on what the voting system is in five years time,
Speaker 1: you're going to be powering this. So give us an
Speaker 1: idea about the fundamental splits inside the Conservative Party that
Speaker 1: are going to mean it's always going to be fighting
Speaker 1: with itself.
Speaker 12: Well, absolutely, because we have the old old style, sort
Speaker 12: of rather stuffy, upper middle class type of Conservative who frankly,
Speaker 12: you know, doesn't believe in anything very much other than
Speaker 12: the right to govern. Then you've got a more radical
Speaker 12: wing which believes that we shouldn't have any foreign courts
Speaker 12: telling us what we can do, that we can control
Speaker 12: our borders, that we shouldn't let the big corporate companies
Speaker 12: take over and dominate our lives completely.
Speaker 1: To a detriment of all this.
Speaker 12: Men and women running their own businesses, and they're are
Speaker 12: two wings of the party. But there's no doubt that
Speaker 12: in Westminster it's the old school Conservatives that hold the
Speaker 12: balance of power. And what they're not seeing is what's
Speaker 12: happened to the Conservative movement and Australia with Donald Trump.
Speaker 12: What they're not seeing is what happened in Austria at
Speaker 12: the weekend where a party to the right of the
Speaker 12: old Conservatives won the elections. Modern day conservatism means you
Speaker 12: have to get blue collar and working class votes. It's
Speaker 12: something actually, but John Howard in Australia was really a
Speaker 12: pioneer of you know, over two decades ago. So I'm
Speaker 12: not sure that this current Conservative party is even capable
Speaker 12: of sorting itself out. And everyone says, to be more, Nigel,
Speaker 12: surely you're going to do a deal with them. I'm
Speaker 12: not doing a deal with them. I don't trust them.
Speaker 12: My job. My job is to replace them. Now, historians
Speaker 12: will say you'll never be able to do it. Do
Speaker 12: you know what historians told me, Paul, we'd never leave
Speaker 12: the European Union. I kept going and we did well.
Speaker 1: This is but also any political movement that has clarity
Speaker 1: of purpose or right from the left, from the right,
Speaker 1: from the set, whatever right, they will end up getting
Speaker 1: there in the end because because everyone signs up to
Speaker 1: the same mission with the same purpose. But instead what
Speaker 1: has previously existed is is that you've got you know,
Speaker 1: certainly these sort of two teams that take turns taking power,
Speaker 1: who really are focused on the game of power and
Speaker 1: their backbench MP's end up being sort of political cannon
Speaker 1: fodder having to explain back to the rest of the
Speaker 1: country the decisions that aren't really about them. Again, as
Speaker 1: you say, exactly what's happening with Trump. And you'd love
Speaker 1: to see a vote in the Parliament as well about
Speaker 1: whether or not the UK should keep funding its peed
Speaker 1: of the World Health Organization.
Speaker 12: Well usually be having this debate in Australia as well.
Speaker 12: The World Health Organization had a summit a few months
Speaker 12: ago trying to get more power for themselves, didn't really
Speaker 12: achieve it, so they've used the United Nations General Assembly
Speaker 12: to do it. And basically, you know, we're giving this
Speaker 12: bloke who runs the World Health Organization, who is there
Speaker 12: by the way, only because of Chinese backing, we're effectively
Speaker 12: giving him the power to tell us when the next
Speaker 12: pandemic is and whether we should lock down. Now, these
Speaker 12: should be countries decisions or state decisions, not something made
Speaker 12: by a global organization that now seeks to expand its
Speaker 12: base massively increase its budget. It's yet another typical example
Speaker 12: of creeping globalism, where we the voters through our governments,
Speaker 12: give power away to unelected bodies on the world stage.
Speaker 12: There needs to be a much bigger debate on this
Speaker 12: and frankly, the way the wh Show covered up the
Speaker 12: Wuhatton lablik in the beginning was a complete and us
Speaker 12: a disgrace.
Speaker 1: One percent, one hundred percent. Thank you, Nigel, love you
Speaker 1: to see you mate, all the best. Thank you Niger
Speaker 1: Fris there for us in the UK now tomorrow will
Speaker 1: have plenty to look back at. The vice presidential debate
Speaker 1: now that's going to be taking place Eastern time at
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock here in Australia. Obviously, Tim Walls is the
Speaker 1: Minnesota governor. He's the one representing the Democrats. Obviously. JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is the Ohio Senator representing the Republicans. Now, I've
Speaker 1: got to say, the expectations game is very low about
Speaker 1: whether this matters at all, but the organization that's toasting it,
Speaker 1: unsurprisingly has had more positive coverage about Waltz and negative
Speaker 1: coverage about Vance. Does this surprise anyone? Cinema The King