WEBVTT - #1902 Tommy Gets 'God Curious' - Tommy Jackett 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.120 I get a team. It's Tommy Jacket. Tommy Jacket's back, 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:09.639 Bloody Tommy Jacket. Bloody Tommy Jacket. Film producer, megastar, podcaster, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:15.280 family man, creative journius, one of Australia's best. I would 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:20.640 suggest and I reckon. I reckon in the big deal stakes. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.239 I've slightly got him covered for about another week that 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.320 he's going to explode. He's going to explode the what's 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.400 the timing on the explosion, Tom. 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.400 Don't sure, but if you keep talking like this, mate, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.920 it's going to be it's going to be a big explosion. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:38.920 That sounds horrible, but it didn't mean it like that. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.480 But I really appreciate every time I come on here. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.440 It's like I reckon, I could track my self worth, 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:50.519 which is saying something, but it's when I come on 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.960 this podcast I feel the best about myself. But it's 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:57.279 because how generous you are with your words, whether they're 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.720 bullshit or not. Mate, it's Kevin Cumming. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.000 Actually mean every word. Well, I don't know, you know, 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.199 in terms of what you're going to do, be, create 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.640 and become I don't know exactly, but I would be 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.200 very surprised if yeah, and not that you're doing it 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.559 for that, but that you weren't a well known doco 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.440 producer or movie producer or film producer or well known creator. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.800 You're already moderately well known and you're doing some great stuff. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.679 But since I met you almost twenty years ago or something, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:31.120 when you were just a fucking lost, freestyling juvenile who 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.120 had nine pubes and came on one of my I 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.160 don't know how old were you when you came on 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 that first retreaty campy thing, Iran. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.800 I would have been, yeah, nineteen or something like that. 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.199 But I will tell you, Craig, I know I find 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.320 it hard to accept compliments. I've been told that before. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.120 But can we just say talk about Oscar Piastre. You 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:52.640 know who is. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.800 Of course, you just won overnight. His Australia's well is 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.000 the number one while he's leading the Formula One Driver's 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:05.320 Championship at the moment. Ozzie Ripper like I think about. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.680 Him as a twenty what is he twenty one or 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:08.160 twenty two? 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.639 When you hear that, kids, my shoes are older than him. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.560 Tom, your cargo pants have doubled his age, I'd say 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.919 it's but don't you isn't it unbelievable. Like I think 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:24.359 about myself as a kid that age, and I barely 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.080 had my shit together. I didn't have anything to I 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.880 didn't have any shit, I didn't have anything together. But 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:37.360 it's some humans just he's so gifted, you know, one 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.160 thing for his skill as a driver, but also just 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:44.000 as a level headed twenty year old. It's phenomenal. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.000 Well think about you're exactly right. So obviously there's the athletic, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:53.080 you know, the physiological kind of ability to be able 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:58.520 to do you know, have those driving skills, reaction time judgments, 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.280 and they're not top of that. How courageous do you 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.280 have to be? How brave do you have to be 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.880 to be driving a car at th round and twenty 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.040 kilometers an hour with maniacs around you? And then on 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.040 top of that, how calm do you have to be 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:20.119 in the middle of anything or something that everybody else 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.160 would be terrified in. Yeah, like you've got to regulate 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.600 your heartbeat, be calm, be focused, not get overwhelmed by 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.880 you know, adrenaline and cortisole and all the fear hormones. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:38.200 Ah, then the pressure when you're actually becoming a champion, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.320 the difference you see Norris, his teammate at a rippy 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.000 year last year, and then the pressure was pretty heavy 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.400 on him to follow it up, and you can see 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.920 he sort of he gets restless under this pressure. But 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.080 I guess what we're talking about is someone with real talent, 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.520 and it's something I don't have, Craig, as much as 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.400 you like to say, sort of read me out, but 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.360 I really see it. Like my friction in my early 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.720 years of my career was so great where I just 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.119 felt so inadequate in the thing I'm doing, or it's 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.000 why I end up at a Craig Harper workshop at nineteen, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.120 just just trying to look for praise, and here we 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.200 are fifteen plus years later. Just I mean, that was 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.600 a great investment, wasn't it. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.400 Well? I think you did. I mean you were great. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.760 I was because everybody probably the average age was thirty 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.600 to forty, maybe even thirty five to forty. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.040 Everyone felt old, Craig, even though I'm that age now and. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.960 It's yeah, I don't feel well and you didn't come. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.600 It's not like, oh, you came along with your your 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.760 older brother or a mate, or you came by yourself. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:55.280 And I remember thinking, this kid's either weird or special 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.880 or special. It turns out you're weird, but yeah, that's okay. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:07.320 Are you a bit special? Yeah? But being able to 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.960 I think figure out, you know, part of the challenge 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:15.680 for people is figuring out what they want to do. 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.080 Like if you know at nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.960 two that you want to be a creative, you want 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.279 to produce films, you want to create content for this 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:30.440 rapidly evolving thing called social media, but also maybe you know, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:35.800 make some bigger and better things for television for want 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.040 of a better term, for all the platforms that operate 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.680 through television. But you kind of knew that at a 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.520 young age, right, And I think like Oscar Piastres, same thing. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.039 He probably knew when he was eight that he wanted 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.880 to be a world champion in Formula one. Whether or 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.840 not you'd ever get there, but he probably wanted that. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.640 But I reckon the truth is that there are a 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.400 lot of people that are forty who don't know what 0:05:58.440 --> 0:05:58.880 they want. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.760 Yeah, well, I think so from some insight from people 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.760 that know Oscar because he's a Melbourne kid, I've been 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.720 told that he believes he's the best driver there is, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.159 which I guess it makes total sense. You need that 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:17.080 belief in yourself, and maybe we're seeing him at a 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.320 time so there's no comparison between me and that kid 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.400 because he's exceptionally talented. But I think about myself at 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.839 eighteen nineteen coming to something like you your workshop. I 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.160 kind of knew where I wanted to go, but I 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.840 really had zero skills and zero life experience. And the 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:39.120 frustration in me for so long around not having the 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.760 actual skill set to where my belief or you know, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.120 the vision of where I wanted to go was never aligned. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.640 And that's such a painful position. And maybe someone like 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.800 Oscar you that kid's been driving since he was could 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.680 walk right, little cars, little go karts or whatever, and 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.719 so there's been so much time where he's built the 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.840 skill and when he's on the world stage and he's 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.920 only twenty, he's hardly you know, lived any life. It's 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.400 really out of school. You're like four years out of 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:11.440 school or whatever. Yeah, and so we think, oh, yes, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.840 he's had zero life, but he's actually been grinding for 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.600 over ten twelve years in doing whatever he needs to 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.400 do to build the skill set. So you're seeing this 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.400 sort of synergy of skill and the desire or you know, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.080 his dreams sort of coming into play, which I yeah, 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.440 I find frustrating seeing it mate, you know, just where 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:35.000 I could have been. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.440 Yeah, but so you said a couple of things there 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.840 I wrote him down. You said, you know you didn't 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.520 have you didn't have the skill, you didn't have the experience, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.480 blah blah blah. Well, you can only get skill and 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.960 experience over time, and skill and experience are not something 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.760 that anyone in the world is born with, right, So 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.360 you might be born with talent and creative potential and 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.320 maybe it and disposition to be good at things like 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.440 run fast, jump high, solve math problems, invent shit, you know, 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:11.720 fight whatever, write stories, be an academic. I mean, everybody's 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:16.240 born with I think different predispositions to be better and 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.560 worse at things. But what you've done since that that 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.800 weekend away that we had is you have got vast knowledge, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:27.080 and you have developed skill, and you do have runs 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.480 on the border. Now you've got vast experience, and you're 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.480 going to have more and get more. But you know, 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.679 it's like there's probably another Oscar Pastre somewhere in the 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.760 world with the same level of talent who never even 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:42.120 got near a go kart. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.960 You near a goat, but never a go cut. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.080 Like I used to think, what if Roger Federer grew 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.120 up next door to me in La tro Valley and 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.800 never picked up a tennis racket. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:00.240 I reckon he would be the best division a horn 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:04.120 bowl guy in the valley where you know. 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.480 The greater, morewel area. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:13.280 The well if you think about so, I felt so 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.280 like most of that earlier time for me was like 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.800 nervous about things, like everything was the first time, or 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.760 you know, like there's so many areas that you're pushing yourself, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.000 you know, when when you're trying to build a skill set. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.360 I felt, yes, so many times I felt nervous, and 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:37.680 so that in my head connecting that nerves and pressure 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.600 with some kind of growth and change within myself, whether 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.559 it's my skill set, my just understanding of life, life experience. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.040 But it's interesting because later in as I've grown up, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.520 I feel like I'm more searching for peace and less 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.760 of that pressure. But can you you know, do you 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.280 think growth comes from peace rather than pressure or does 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:02.640 it have to come from pressure. 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.240 I think I think it can come in both. Like 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.280 I think where we build resilience, and you know, a 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:15.560 level of awareness and a kind of psychological emotional strength 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.000 is in the middle of the shitfest, right. But I 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.200 also think, you know, like I've grown and learn and evolved. Say, 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:28.160 if we talk about the skill of podcasting, where even 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.960 when I was making no dough and even when the 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.560 podcast wasn't you know, like world class, and some of 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.600 the guests were a bit dodgy, and I was a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.400 bit dodgy, and I didn't hate it though, It's like 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.559 I didn't go to bed going oh fuck, this is terrible. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.360 I'm embarrassed. I'm humiliated. I'm like, I just knew that 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:50.679 I wasn't great, but I thought that I could get 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.240 in the ballpark of great if I just did the work, 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:56.600 you know. And I'm still not there, But I'm better 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.760 than I was. I know more. I understand more about 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.040 the science of podcasting and interviewing and building rapport and 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.880 connection and talking to an audience that I can't see. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.000 But I can only do that by getting miles on 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:13.120 the clock, you know. And I think that's the same 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.959 I think we have. You know, there are people who 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.439 are brilliantly gifted. They take up something and six months 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:24.080 later they're fucking amazing at it. But that's not me, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.480 you know. So I think the average person is closer 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.160 to me than Oscar, And I think the average person 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:37.480 just needs to get the miles in and just go, yeah, look, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.880 some of it's going to suck. But also there will 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.080 be lots of times where you're learning and growing and 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.400 evolving in the middle of the fun stuff and the 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.280 joy and the winds, you know, so it doesn't have 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.040 to be But also I think you know this old 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.400 chestnut again, Tom, But it ain't about the top of 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.240 the hill. It's about the climb, because who gets to 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.280 the top of the hill and goes right, I'm satisfied. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.880 I don't need any anything else. I'm done. I'm at 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.480 the top of the hill or the mountain, whatever metaphor 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.720 we're using today. I'm up here. It's all good, right, 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.920 I'm done. Bibbity bobby boo. That's me. Put the que 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.800 in the rack. Because on top of the mountain you're 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.880 just fucking looking around, maybe or maybe soaking in the view, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.679 which is great. But climbing the mountain you're actually becoming. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.120 You know, you're learning, you're evolving, you're building understanding, and 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.959 awareness and physical strength and emotional strength, and you're meeting 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.560 other people on the climb, and you're solving problems on 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.920 the climb. And it's in the climb, the metaphoric climb, 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.160 where all the good shit happens. I don't think much 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.960 happens at the destination. You know, Jeff Joward always goes, 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.600 it's all about the process. It's about the process. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:50.040 Tom Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting to listen to. But 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.520 I mean, it doesn't feel like that when you lost 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.760 one hundred million dollars and you're bankrupt, Like Jeff, it's 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:00.239 an amazing perspective because I don't have that. I don't 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:05.280 talk like that, but but I understand the journey and 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.960 stuff like that. But I think, I I think you 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.120 get so attuned to sort of feeling discomfort when you 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.520 are on that journey that then you can think that 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.400 you're not going to get anywhere when it's feeling pretty peaceful. 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.480 And like, I think it's a product of having kids. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.079 And just like I don't like it's a hard enough 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.160 job as it is. Making money is hard enough as 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.200 it is in life, you know, showing up and being 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.000 a good person all of that, and so you think, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.400 you know, I think, like, when was the last time 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.560 you felt nervous about something you had to do in 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:41.120 your life? 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.800 Yeah? Yeah, well pretty regularly with my PAHD to be 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.160 honest outside, Yeah yeah, yeah, because I'm always having meetings with, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.240 you know, in that world, even though I'm five and 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.440 a half years in with the people who are my supervisors, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.760 and you know, they're still so far ahead of me, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:04.600 you know, from a purely understanding research and academia and 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.480 all the high level stuff that needs to be just 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.079 part of what you're doing. You know, Like, obviously I've 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.560 bridged the gap, but I still i'm you know, I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.960 feel like I'm the dumbest in the room, and in 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.920 some ways I am the dumbest in the room. In 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.640 other ways, I might even be the smartest in the room, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.480 depending on what we're using to measure intelligence by, you know, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.800 the metric. But yeah, but I don't look and I 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:35.400 definitely don't. I'm not I never advocate. Oh, it's all 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.600 about grinding and hustling and climbing the mountain and every 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.080 day it's got to be another version of discomfort. I 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.760 don't agree with that at all. I think there should 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.280 be fun. I think there. I wrote a post recently. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:50.360 I think it was called fuck all Days. Days where 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.960 you do fuck all and you happily do fuck all 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.440 and you're not productive and you're not solving problems, and 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.680 you're not eating perfectly and you're not run and ten 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.960 k's and you're being completely you fucking unproductive and lazy 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.600 and it's amazing and you should do that. It might 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.520 even be a fuck all weekend or a fuck all 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:13.640 week you know. It's like this obsession that self help 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.280 and personal development in various spaces has, with this perpetual 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.880 quest for better and bigger and more. I think that's 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.520 bullshit and it's unattainable and it's unhealthy. But I think 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.120 many people wake up at a point on their journey 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.200 where they go, oh, and now I'm forty five and 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.200 I've been doing a job I don't really like for 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.560 fifteen years. There's that's the stuff I think we need 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.280 to address. It's like, all right, Brian, well, you know 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.520 when you're forty six, twelve months from now, you know, 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.080 what would you like to be different? Let's just let's 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.280 not think about the how, Let's just think about the what. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.680 What would you like to be different? And maybe the why, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.680 and then let's get clarity around that, and let's reverse 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:58.920 engineer it and figure out what we need to do 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.080 now and decision and action and plan and protocol and 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.080 accountability so that a year from now you're not still 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.800 in the groundhog day. That's now sixteen years of a 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.320 job you don't love, borderline hate. So I think that 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:19.680 ambition and goal setting and growth and improvement can coexist 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:21.360 with fuck all days. 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.479 Yeah, do you think you're ambitious? 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:31.160 Not particularly, Yeah, I'm I don't think I'm unambitious, but 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:38.520 like I to me, I, well, that's a good question. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.040 I don't think I've ever been asked that I'm going 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:43.880 to change my answer. I reckon I am a bit, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.920 but I'm not. I'm not one of those driven you know, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.400 win at all costs, and if I don't do this, 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.840 then I'm a failure. I don't. But there are things 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.920 that I want to do and part of I like 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.760 not for the sake of it, and I don't even 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.240 care if no he knows, But I like being I 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.280 like doing things that at my age you shouldn't you know, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.480 or you're typically not doing. Like I like being fitter 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.960 and stronger than blokes thirty years younger than me, not 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.800 in any way specific to them. But I like being 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.840 fit and strong and healthy. I like my brain working well. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.800 I like still being productive and creative. I like learning 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.800 new things and unlearning old things which are disempowering. I 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.879 like serving people. I like helping people. I like having 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.840 high energy in you know, the average person my age. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:35.840 Not all of them, but a lot of them. It's 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.040 like fucking hell, get out of the chair. Cham you know. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:42.760 So I guess in that way, in terms of getting 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.560 the most out of me, I'm ambitious, yeah, But in 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.320 terms of making a trillion bucks. 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:52.359 Nut, well yeah. I think it can definitely shift in 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.960 its own meaning for yourself. So how I felt ambitious 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.560 about where I wanted to go earlier is very different 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.360 to now. I feel very I don't feel ambitious now, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.600 which is yeah, I don't know. It's a weird thing. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.760 Do you think you need to sort of hold ambition 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.480 as a value close to you to to progress, to 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.520 grow in your career or yourself. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.600 Look, I think when we talk about ambition generally, I've 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.960 done no research on this, So this is just my feeling. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.240 Everyone take it with a grain of salt to me, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.920 it seems like when we talk about ambition, generally we're 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:37.359 talking about business or career or money, all three. Why 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:43.119 can't you be ambitious about being spiritually enlightened? In other words, like, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.240 it's an ambition, it's a hope, it's a why can't 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.960 you Why can't one of your you know, why can't 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.000 you be ambitious around building a a not for profit 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.040 where you're serving a community and working with people that 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.400 really really need love and attention. And so I think 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:07.280 in that sense, like if money wasn't an issue, I 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.919 would hold events every weekend in Melbourne or wherever I was, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:15.240 if it wasn't an issue, and I would charge zero 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.639 dollars and I would get as many people in the 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.959 door as I could. It would essentially be church without 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.280 the God bit, you know what I mean. Maybe there'd 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.920 be a bit of God sometimes I don't. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.840 Know, but you might show up every now and then. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.399 Yeah, And no, I'm not talking about a cult. I 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.639 don't want money, I don't want people, you know, I 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.760 don't want anything inappropriate. But you know in that you know, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.119 like even you think about this, So why do this around? 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.520 In sixty five days of the year, we're heading towards 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.040 two thousand episodes. Some episodes are shit, some episodes are alright, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.920 some are good. Some conversations for some people have told 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.920 me they've been life changing. For other people, they're annoying. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.439 I get it. But what I do love about this is, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:02.439 you know, there are months disclosure on. There are months 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.720 on the podcast because we're on the Nova platform where 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.840 I make pretty good money through this, not mind blowing, 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.080 but pretty good money. And there are other months where 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.959 literally I break even because by the time I, you know, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.560 pay TIF pay whatever, you know, there's stuff to do. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.200 But I would do thirty podcasts and me personally make 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.119 not one cent, and I'm happy. I don't care because, 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.280 like if my goal, if I was doing this to 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.640 get rich, I would have stopped a long time ago. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.080 But because I'm fortunate that I have other things that 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.440 I do and other skills and other doors that are 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.919 open for me. And also my life, my reality is 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.679 very cheap, like I don't have seven kids, and you know, 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.000 I don't have My life is not an expensive life, 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.560 so I don't need to earn a lot of dough So. 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.320 Well, you made all your money through bitcoin in the 0:20:58.359 --> 0:20:59.280 early days, didn't you. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:03.560 Yeah, that's it. Yeah, porn. Har I created pornhah yeah. 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:08.560 Yeah yeah, I thought you were only fans go but nah. 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.960 Yeah, look I've got tam percent of that. You know. Hey, everyone, 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:17.399 that's all bullshit. H yeah. But I don't know. I 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.879 think I've said this too many times and people are 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:21.760 going to roll their eyes. But I'm saying it to 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.840 you like I think you know this. It's like I 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:31.800 love having a purpose bigger than me, where you know, 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:36.439 I'm just genuinely being of value and service to someone 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.920 else and not because oh there's a kickback or there's 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.439 a percentage or there's a you know, there's I'm just 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.320 and by the way, I'm often not that. Sometimes I'm 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.840 a fuckhead, but as much as possible, I try to 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.240 be the to the people that I can, which is 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.760 not everybody. But let me help you, and I don't 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:58.720 need anything back, but just succeed and be great or 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:02.879 do your best and be cheering you on. Because do 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.239 you know where this came from? I remember when I 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.080 was a fat little kid getting the bus from more 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.960 Well to Taralgon, which was a half hour sorry MOEI 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.880 to Tarragon, which was a half hour drive each way. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.440 And I remember being doesn't matter, but I remember being 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:24.439 picked on quite significantly as the year seven fat kid. 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.600 And I had this thought in my mind, Fuck this, 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.960 it's like when I'm a big kid, like when I'm 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.159 in year twelve, I'm going to look after the kids 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:37.120 like me. And eventually I became the big kid, right, 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.439 And that's exactly what I did. I went fuck all 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.800 the year ten bullies that pick on the year sevens 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:48.480 and eights. So I prioritized all the little kids over all, 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.760 the kind of fifteen sixteen year olds. I didn't bully anyone, 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.399 but I just protected them. And I've always had a 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:55.879 little bit of that in me, where I want to, 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.640 you know, I want to help people to help themselves, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.400 but for the people who in some scenarios can't help 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:07.720 themselves at that moment or that chapter of their story, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.119 you know, if I can to help them or protect 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.520 them or be of service, I love doing that. 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.720 Yeah. Well, I mean most kids are just thinking about themselves, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:22.000 so that's a bit rare thinking about how you want 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:23.040 to make other people feel. 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.040