1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Tommy Jacket. Tommy Jacket's back, 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Bloody Tommy Jacket. Bloody Tommy Jacket. Film producer, megastar, podcaster, 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: family man, creative journius, one of Australia's best. I would 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: suggest and I reckon. I reckon in the big deal stakes. 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: I've slightly got him covered for about another week that 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: he's going to explode. He's going to explode the what's 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: the timing on the explosion, Tom. 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Don't sure, but if you keep talking like this, mate, 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: it's going to be it's going to be a big explosion. 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: That sounds horrible, but it didn't mean it like that. 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: But I really appreciate every time I come on here. 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: It's like I reckon, I could track my self worth, 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: which is saying something, but it's when I come on 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: this podcast I feel the best about myself. But it's 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: because how generous you are with your words, whether they're 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: bullshit or not. Mate, it's Kevin Cumming. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Actually mean every word. Well, I don't know, you know, 18 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: in terms of what you're going to do, be, create 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: and become I don't know exactly, but I would be 20 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: very surprised if yeah, and not that you're doing it 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: for that, but that you weren't a well known doco 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: producer or movie producer or film producer or well known creator. 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: You're already moderately well known and you're doing some great stuff. 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: But since I met you almost twenty years ago or something, 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: when you were just a fucking lost, freestyling juvenile who 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: had nine pubes and came on one of my I 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: don't know how old were you when you came on 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: that first retreaty campy thing, Iran. 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: I would have been, yeah, nineteen or something like that. 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: But I will tell you, Craig, I know I find 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: it hard to accept compliments. I've been told that before. 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: But can we just say talk about Oscar Piastre. You 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: know who is. 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Of course, you just won overnight. His Australia's well is 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the number one while he's leading the Formula One Driver's 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Championship at the moment. Ozzie Ripper like I think about. 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: Him as a twenty what is he twenty one or 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: twenty two? 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: When you hear that, kids, my shoes are older than him. 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: Tom, your cargo pants have doubled his age, I'd say 41 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: it's but don't you isn't it unbelievable. Like I think 42 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: about myself as a kid that age, and I barely 43 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: had my shit together. I didn't have anything to I 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: didn't have any shit, I didn't have anything together. But 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: it's some humans just he's so gifted, you know, one 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: thing for his skill as a driver, but also just 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: as a level headed twenty year old. It's phenomenal. 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: Well think about you're exactly right. So obviously there's the athletic, 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, the physiological kind of ability to be able 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: to do you know, have those driving skills, reaction time judgments, 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: and they're not top of that. How courageous do you 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: have to be? How brave do you have to be 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: to be driving a car at th round and twenty 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: kilometers an hour with maniacs around you? And then on 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: top of that, how calm do you have to be 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:20,119 Speaker 1: in the middle of anything or something that everybody else 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: would be terrified in. Yeah, like you've got to regulate 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: your heartbeat, be calm, be focused, not get overwhelmed by 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, adrenaline and cortisole and all the fear hormones. 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: Ah, then the pressure when you're actually becoming a champion, 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: the difference you see Norris, his teammate at a rippy 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: year last year, and then the pressure was pretty heavy 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: on him to follow it up, and you can see 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: he sort of he gets restless under this pressure. But 65 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: I guess what we're talking about is someone with real talent, 66 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: and it's something I don't have, Craig, as much as 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: you like to say, sort of read me out, but 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: I really see it. Like my friction in my early 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: years of my career was so great where I just 70 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: felt so inadequate in the thing I'm doing, or it's 71 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: why I end up at a Craig Harper workshop at nineteen, 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: just just trying to look for praise, and here we 73 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: are fifteen plus years later. Just I mean, that was 74 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: a great investment, wasn't it. 75 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Well? I think you did. I mean you were great. 76 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: I was because everybody probably the average age was thirty 77 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: to forty, maybe even thirty five to forty. 78 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: Everyone felt old, Craig, even though I'm that age now and. 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: It's yeah, I don't feel well and you didn't come. 80 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, you came along with your your 81 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: older brother or a mate, or you came by yourself. 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, this kid's either weird or special 83 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: or special. It turns out you're weird, but yeah, that's okay. 84 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Are you a bit special? Yeah? But being able to 85 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I think figure out, you know, part of the challenge 86 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: for people is figuring out what they want to do. 87 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: Like if you know at nineteen twenty, twenty one, twenty 88 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: two that you want to be a creative, you want 89 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: to produce films, you want to create content for this 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: rapidly evolving thing called social media, but also maybe you know, 91 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: make some bigger and better things for television for want 92 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: of a better term, for all the platforms that operate 93 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: through television. But you kind of knew that at a 94 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: young age, right, And I think like Oscar Piastres, same thing. 95 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: He probably knew when he was eight that he wanted 96 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: to be a world champion in Formula one. Whether or 97 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: not you'd ever get there, but he probably wanted that. 98 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: But I reckon the truth is that there are a 99 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: lot of people that are forty who don't know what 100 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: they want. 101 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think so from some insight from people 102 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: that know Oscar because he's a Melbourne kid, I've been 103 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: told that he believes he's the best driver there is, 104 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: which I guess it makes total sense. You need that 105 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: belief in yourself, and maybe we're seeing him at a 106 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: time so there's no comparison between me and that kid 107 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: because he's exceptionally talented. But I think about myself at 108 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen coming to something like you your workshop. I 109 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: kind of knew where I wanted to go, but I 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: really had zero skills and zero life experience. And the 111 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: frustration in me for so long around not having the 112 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: actual skill set to where my belief or you know, 113 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: the vision of where I wanted to go was never aligned. 114 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: And that's such a painful position. And maybe someone like 115 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: Oscar you that kid's been driving since he was could 116 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: walk right, little cars, little go karts or whatever, and 117 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: so there's been so much time where he's built the 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: skill and when he's on the world stage and he's 119 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: only twenty, he's hardly you know, lived any life. It's 120 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: really out of school. You're like four years out of 121 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: school or whatever. Yeah, and so we think, oh, yes, 122 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: he's had zero life, but he's actually been grinding for 123 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: over ten twelve years in doing whatever he needs to 124 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: do to build the skill set. So you're seeing this 125 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: sort of synergy of skill and the desire or you know, 126 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: his dreams sort of coming into play, which I yeah, 127 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: I find frustrating seeing it mate, you know, just where 128 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: I could have been. 129 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so you said a couple of things there 130 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: I wrote him down. You said, you know you didn't 131 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: have you didn't have the skill, you didn't have the experience, 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Well, you can only get skill and 133 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: experience over time, and skill and experience are not something 134 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: that anyone in the world is born with, right, So 135 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: you might be born with talent and creative potential and 136 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: maybe it and disposition to be good at things like 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: run fast, jump high, solve math problems, invent shit, you know, 138 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: fight whatever, write stories, be an academic. I mean, everybody's 139 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: born with I think different predispositions to be better and 140 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: worse at things. But what you've done since that that 141 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: weekend away that we had is you have got vast knowledge, 142 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: and you have developed skill, and you do have runs 143 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: on the border. Now you've got vast experience, and you're 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: going to have more and get more. But you know, 145 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: it's like there's probably another Oscar Pastre somewhere in the 146 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: world with the same level of talent who never even 147 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: got near a go kart. 148 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: You near a goat, but never a go cut. 149 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: Like I used to think, what if Roger Federer grew 150 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: up next door to me in La tro Valley and 151 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: never picked up a tennis racket. 152 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: I reckon he would be the best division a horn 153 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: bowl guy in the valley where you know. 154 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: The greater, morewel area. 155 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: The well if you think about so, I felt so 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: like most of that earlier time for me was like 157 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: nervous about things, like everything was the first time, or 158 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, like there's so many areas that you're pushing yourself, 159 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: you know, when when you're trying to build a skill set. 160 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: I felt, yes, so many times I felt nervous, and 161 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: so that in my head connecting that nerves and pressure 162 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: with some kind of growth and change within myself, whether 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: it's my skill set, my just understanding of life, life experience. 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because later in as I've grown up, 165 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm more searching for peace and less 166 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: of that pressure. But can you you know, do you 167 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: think growth comes from peace rather than pressure or does 168 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: it have to come from pressure. 169 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: I think I think it can come in both. Like 170 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: I think where we build resilience, and you know, a 171 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: level of awareness and a kind of psychological emotional strength 172 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: is in the middle of the shitfest, right. But I 173 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: also think, you know, like I've grown and learn and evolved. Say, 174 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: if we talk about the skill of podcasting, where even 175 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: when I was making no dough and even when the 176 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: podcast wasn't you know, like world class, and some of 177 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the guests were a bit dodgy, and I was a 178 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: bit dodgy, and I didn't hate it though, It's like 179 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: I didn't go to bed going oh fuck, this is terrible. 180 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. I'm humiliated. I'm like, I just knew that 181 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: I wasn't great, but I thought that I could get 182 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: in the ballpark of great if I just did the work, 183 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: you know. And I'm still not there, But I'm better 184 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: than I was. I know more. I understand more about 185 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: the science of podcasting and interviewing and building rapport and 186 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: connection and talking to an audience that I can't see. 187 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: But I can only do that by getting miles on 188 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: the clock, you know. And I think that's the same 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: I think we have. You know, there are people who 190 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: are brilliantly gifted. They take up something and six months 191 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: later they're fucking amazing at it. But that's not me, 192 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: you know. So I think the average person is closer 193 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: to me than Oscar, And I think the average person 194 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: just needs to get the miles in and just go, yeah, look, 195 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: some of it's going to suck. But also there will 196 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: be lots of times where you're learning and growing and 197 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: evolving in the middle of the fun stuff and the 198 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: joy and the winds, you know, so it doesn't have 199 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: to be But also I think you know this old 200 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: chestnut again, Tom, But it ain't about the top of 201 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: the hill. It's about the climb, because who gets to 202 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: the top of the hill and goes right, I'm satisfied. 203 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't need any anything else. I'm done. I'm at 204 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: the top of the hill or the mountain, whatever metaphor 205 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: we're using today. I'm up here. It's all good, right, 206 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm done. Bibbity bobby boo. That's me. Put the que 207 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: in the rack. Because on top of the mountain you're 208 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: just fucking looking around, maybe or maybe soaking in the view, 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: which is great. But climbing the mountain you're actually becoming. 210 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: You know, you're learning, you're evolving, you're building understanding, and 211 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: awareness and physical strength and emotional strength, and you're meeting 212 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: other people on the climb, and you're solving problems on 213 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: the climb. And it's in the climb, the metaphoric climb, 214 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: where all the good shit happens. I don't think much 215 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: happens at the destination. You know, Jeff Joward always goes, 216 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: it's all about the process. It's about the process. 217 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: Tom Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting to listen to. But 218 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't feel like that when you lost 219 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars and you're bankrupt, Like Jeff, it's 220 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,239 Speaker 2: an amazing perspective because I don't have that. I don't 221 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: talk like that, but but I understand the journey and 222 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But I think, I I think you 223 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: get so attuned to sort of feeling discomfort when you 224 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: are on that journey that then you can think that 225 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: you're not going to get anywhere when it's feeling pretty peaceful. 226 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: And like, I think it's a product of having kids. 227 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: And just like I don't like it's a hard enough 228 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: job as it is. Making money is hard enough as 229 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: it is in life, you know, showing up and being 230 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: a good person all of that, and so you think, 231 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: you know, I think, like, when was the last time 232 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: you felt nervous about something you had to do in 233 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: your life? 234 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, well pretty regularly with my PAHD to be 235 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: honest outside, Yeah yeah, yeah, because I'm always having meetings with, 236 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, in that world, even though I'm five and 237 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: a half years in with the people who are my supervisors, 238 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: and you know, they're still so far ahead of me, 239 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, from a purely understanding research and academia and 240 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: all the high level stuff that needs to be just 241 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: part of what you're doing. You know, Like, obviously I've 242 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: bridged the gap, but I still i'm you know, I 243 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: feel like I'm the dumbest in the room, and in 244 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: some ways I am the dumbest in the room. In 245 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: other ways, I might even be the smartest in the room, 246 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: depending on what we're using to measure intelligence by, you know, 247 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: the metric. But yeah, but I don't look and I 248 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: definitely don't. I'm not I never advocate. Oh, it's all 249 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: about grinding and hustling and climbing the mountain and every 250 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: day it's got to be another version of discomfort. I 251 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: don't agree with that at all. I think there should 252 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: be fun. I think there. I wrote a post recently. 253 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: I think it was called fuck all Days. Days where 254 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: you do fuck all and you happily do fuck all 255 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: and you're not productive and you're not solving problems, and 256 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: you're not eating perfectly and you're not run and ten 257 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: k's and you're being completely you fucking unproductive and lazy 258 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and it's amazing and you should do that. It might 259 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: even be a fuck all weekend or a fuck all 260 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: week you know. It's like this obsession that self help 261 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: and personal development in various spaces has, with this perpetual 262 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: quest for better and bigger and more. I think that's 263 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: bullshit and it's unattainable and it's unhealthy. But I think 264 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: many people wake up at a point on their journey 265 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: where they go, oh, and now I'm forty five and 266 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: I've been doing a job I don't really like for 267 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: fifteen years. There's that's the stuff I think we need 268 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: to address. It's like, all right, Brian, well, you know 269 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: when you're forty six, twelve months from now, you know, 270 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: what would you like to be different? Let's just let's 271 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: not think about the how, Let's just think about the what. 272 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: What would you like to be different? And maybe the why, 273 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: and then let's get clarity around that, and let's reverse 274 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: engineer it and figure out what we need to do 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: now and decision and action and plan and protocol and 276 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: accountability so that a year from now you're not still 277 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: in the groundhog day. That's now sixteen years of a 278 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: job you don't love, borderline hate. So I think that 279 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: ambition and goal setting and growth and improvement can coexist 280 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: with fuck all days. 281 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think you're ambitious? 282 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: Not particularly, Yeah, I'm I don't think I'm unambitious, but 283 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: like I to me, I, well, that's a good question. 284 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been asked that I'm going 285 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: to change my answer. I reckon I am a bit, 286 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not one of those driven you know, 287 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: win at all costs, and if I don't do this, 288 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: then I'm a failure. I don't. But there are things 289 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: that I want to do and part of I like 290 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: not for the sake of it, and I don't even 291 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: care if no he knows, But I like being I 292 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: like doing things that at my age you shouldn't you know, 293 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: or you're typically not doing. Like I like being fitter 294 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: and stronger than blokes thirty years younger than me, not 295 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: in any way specific to them. But I like being 296 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: fit and strong and healthy. I like my brain working well. 297 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: I like still being productive and creative. I like learning 298 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: new things and unlearning old things which are disempowering. I 299 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: like serving people. I like helping people. I like having 300 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: high energy in you know, the average person my age. 301 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: Not all of them, but a lot of them. It's 302 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: like fucking hell, get out of the chair. Cham you know. 303 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: So I guess in that way, in terms of getting 304 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: the most out of me, I'm ambitious, yeah, But in 305 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: terms of making a trillion bucks. 306 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: Nut, well yeah. I think it can definitely shift in 307 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: its own meaning for yourself. So how I felt ambitious 308 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: about where I wanted to go earlier is very different 309 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: to now. I feel very I don't feel ambitious now, 310 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: which is yeah, I don't know. It's a weird thing. 311 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: Do you think you need to sort of hold ambition 312 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: as a value close to you to to progress, to 313 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: grow in your career or yourself. 314 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: Look, I think when we talk about ambition generally, I've 315 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: done no research on this, So this is just my feeling. 316 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Everyone take it with a grain of salt to me, 317 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: it seems like when we talk about ambition, generally we're 318 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: talking about business or career or money, all three. Why 319 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: can't you be ambitious about being spiritually enlightened? In other words, like, 320 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: it's an ambition, it's a hope, it's a why can't 321 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: you Why can't one of your you know, why can't 322 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: you be ambitious around building a a not for profit 323 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: where you're serving a community and working with people that 324 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: really really need love and attention. And so I think 325 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: in that sense, like if money wasn't an issue, I 326 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: would hold events every weekend in Melbourne or wherever I was, 327 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: if it wasn't an issue, and I would charge zero 328 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: dollars and I would get as many people in the 329 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: door as I could. It would essentially be church without 330 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: the God bit, you know what I mean. Maybe there'd 331 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: be a bit of God sometimes I don't. 332 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: Know, but you might show up every now and then. 333 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, And no, I'm not talking about a cult. I 334 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: don't want money, I don't want people, you know, I 335 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: don't want anything inappropriate. But you know in that you know, 336 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: like even you think about this, So why do this around? 337 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: In sixty five days of the year, we're heading towards 338 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: two thousand episodes. Some episodes are shit, some episodes are alright, 339 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: some are good. Some conversations for some people have told 340 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: me they've been life changing. For other people, they're annoying. 341 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: I get it. But what I do love about this is, 342 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: you know, there are months disclosure on. There are months 343 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: on the podcast because we're on the Nova platform where 344 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: I make pretty good money through this, not mind blowing, 345 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: but pretty good money. And there are other months where 346 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: literally I break even because by the time I, you know, 347 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: pay TIF pay whatever, you know, there's stuff to do. 348 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: But I would do thirty podcasts and me personally make 349 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: not one cent, and I'm happy. I don't care because, 350 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: like if my goal, if I was doing this to 351 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: get rich, I would have stopped a long time ago. 352 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: But because I'm fortunate that I have other things that 353 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: I do and other skills and other doors that are 354 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: open for me. And also my life, my reality is 355 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: very cheap, like I don't have seven kids, and you know, 356 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't have My life is not an expensive life, 357 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: so I don't need to earn a lot of dough So. 358 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: Well, you made all your money through bitcoin in the 359 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: early days, didn't you. 360 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, porn. Har I created pornhah yeah. 361 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I thought you were only fans go but nah. 362 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, look I've got tam percent of that. You know. Hey, everyone, 363 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: that's all bullshit. H yeah. But I don't know. I 364 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: think I've said this too many times and people are 365 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: going to roll their eyes. But I'm saying it to 366 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: you like I think you know this. It's like I 367 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: love having a purpose bigger than me, where you know, 368 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: I'm just genuinely being of value and service to someone 369 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: else and not because oh there's a kickback or there's 370 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: a percentage or there's a you know, there's I'm just 371 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: and by the way, I'm often not that. Sometimes I'm 372 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: a fuckhead, but as much as possible, I try to 373 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: be the to the people that I can, which is 374 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: not everybody. But let me help you, and I don't 375 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: need anything back, but just succeed and be great or 376 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: do your best and be cheering you on. Because do 377 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: you know where this came from? I remember when I 378 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: was a fat little kid getting the bus from more 379 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: Well to Taralgon, which was a half hour sorry MOEI 380 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: to Tarragon, which was a half hour drive each way. 381 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: And I remember being doesn't matter, but I remember being 382 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: picked on quite significantly as the year seven fat kid. 383 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: And I had this thought in my mind, Fuck this, 384 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: it's like when I'm a big kid, like when I'm 385 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: in year twelve, I'm going to look after the kids 386 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: like me. And eventually I became the big kid, right, 387 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I did. I went fuck all 388 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: the year ten bullies that pick on the year sevens 389 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: and eights. So I prioritized all the little kids over all, 390 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: the kind of fifteen sixteen year olds. I didn't bully anyone, 391 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: but I just protected them. And I've always had a 392 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: little bit of that in me, where I want to, 393 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, I want to help people to help themselves, 394 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: but for the people who in some scenarios can't help 395 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: themselves at that moment or that chapter of their story, 396 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: you know, if I can to help them or protect 397 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: them or be of service, I love doing that. 398 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean most kids are just thinking about themselves, 399 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: so that's a bit rare thinking about how you want 400 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: to make other people feel. 401 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: I had a plan. I had a plan when I 402 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: was young. I was thinking about though, you know, we're 403 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: talking about Oscar Piastri and all of these talented people. 404 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: I've thought a lot about this over the years because 405 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: I've worked with elite sporting teams and athletes and olympians 406 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: and all that shit. And what's the cost of being 407 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: the eight year old who decides he wants to become 408 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: the world champion, right, and then he spends basically his 409 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: entire life. And also most people fail, by the way. 410 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: Most people don't become Oscar Piastre, you know, like and 411 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: the AFL players and the you know, the elite netballers 412 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: or you know, anyone. Probably not so much with the 413 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: netballers because they don't get paid the same dough and 414 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: they most of them do have another job. But like, 415 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: even in the AFL, I've watched, I've worked with, you know, 416 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: kids that have come in at eighteen and they think 417 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: they're going to be the next big thing, and by 418 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: the time they're twenty two, they weren't the next big thing. 419 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: They had seven games in four years, and then they 420 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: get delisted and they've you know, they've spent since they 421 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: were seven years old dreaming about becoming this AFL player, 422 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: they become it, they end up being not the success 423 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: story they hoped they would be, but they're ill equipped 424 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: for anything other than footy because all they've done is 425 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: think footy, play footy, trained footy, think about the draft, 426 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: get drafted, and then go into this system where it's 427 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven football. And then on a Tuesday 428 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: night someone asks you in to an office and you 429 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: get told sorry, mate, we don't need you. Yeah, you know, 430 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: get your shit on the way out. And it's obviously 431 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: it's a bit more than that, but it's not a 432 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: lot more than that. And the amount of people who 433 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: are elite athletes who after their career fall into a 434 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: level of depression, the percentage is very high because they 435 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: get their entire identity through I am, not like, this 436 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: is who I am and that's my job. No, my 437 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: job is who I am. It's my identity, it's my brand. 438 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: It's what makes me popular, it's what gives me attention. 439 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: It's why they chased me in the first place, it's 440 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: why I get all this money. And then that gets 441 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: ripped away from you. And I think that, you know, 442 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of surviving and thriving beyond elite sport. That's that's 443 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: an interesting conversation as well. 444 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: Well. It's you see how life is hard as it is. 445 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Throw on all of those, yeah, external pressures and then 446 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: even the internal pressure on yourself. Yep, yeah, I mean 447 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: it's quite Yeah. 448 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: Think about how many AFL footballers who have probably kicked 449 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a ball I don't know, one hundred thousand times in 450 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: their life, at least tens and tens of thousands of times. 451 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: How many AFL players Last weekend I saw a guy 452 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: I can't remember fifteen meters out. So here's the guy. 453 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: He's fifteen meters in front of goal right now, if 454 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: you were standing thirty meters away, H'd kick it to 455 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: you and hit you on the chest, right, Yeah, H'd 456 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: kick it to you, hit you on the chest. Now, 457 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: he's fifteen meters away from a goal square which is 458 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I think six meters wide, and he can't even hit that. Well, 459 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: that's not lack of skill, that's nerves, that's anxiety. That's 460 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: fucking I can't perform under pressure. 461 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Melbourne Football Club? Because that's 462 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: who I go for and they cannot kick. So I 463 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: think you were you watching. 464 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: It would have been I didn't. I didn't watch any 465 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: of the games, but I just saw a grab on 466 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: the news where there was like a dude, like you 467 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: know I mean, and no, no, I'm not trying to 468 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: throw any shade. And because I'm not saying he's not 469 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: talented or brilliant or skilled, I'm not saying that that 470 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: at all. What I'm saying is from a psychology point 471 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: of view. So you know, the dude who's doing a 472 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: PhD in psychology and there is also an excise scientist. 473 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm mesmerized by professional footballers who can't hit a target 474 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: straight in front of them that's six meters wide. Now 475 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: that's that's that's all about what's going on in your head? Yeah, 476 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is why win he psychologists. 477 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: I think I'll ask you this is a question. Do 478 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: you think that these people who are uber talented or 479 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: skilled and have that mindset that they're just trying to 480 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: build themselves up to be number one, that the culture 481 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: holds them up on a pedestal, holds them up as 482 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: sort of these glorified figures, when in reality, most people 483 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: I think would probably if they could understand what the 484 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: future looks like, you know, the trajectory of these people, 485 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: most people would probably agree that it's more not comfortable, 486 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: but just someone who just lives a good life, as 487 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: you know, is it seat of striving for that level 488 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: of success would actually probably be a better route to go. 489 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: But in culture, we see people you look at the 490 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: Telly Itt doll driven by media, and oh, look at 491 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: the metric of success that person has, because that's we 492 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: have a feeling when we see those people, you think, 493 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: oh god, that would be cool to be like that. 494 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: One dred percent. I'm just this is this is bad 495 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: to do on a podcast. But I'm just looking up 496 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: now Bailey Smith, who you know who is at the 497 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: Dogs and now he's at he of course is at 498 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: jee Long Geelong. I'm just bringing him up. That's the 499 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: wrong one. Wow, there we go. So he's got three 500 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three thousand follows, right, I thought he'd 501 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: have more. But anyway, you know, and I think about him. 502 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: So he's good looking, he's jacked, he's young, he's talented. 503 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: He seems to be quite charismatic, charming and likable. I'm 504 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: sure some of the opposition fans fucking hate him right 505 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: as fans do. Yeah, but I think it depends a 506 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: little on the person and the personality and their DNA. 507 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: It's like, put you or me in front of a 508 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: room talking to a bunch of people, where excited you 509 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: put another person up, they can't breathe, you know, they're terrified. 510 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: Like for me, and obviously there's been a bit of 511 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: training that's gone in there. But for me talking to 512 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: a group of people, I feel like I'm in my 513 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: natural habitat, doing my natural thing and I can regulate, 514 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: manage my nerves and my nervous system and my breathing 515 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: and my focus and my you know, my mind. I 516 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: can do that really well in front of a thousand people, 517 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: like no drama. But you know, some they are very 518 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: some very talented, skilled athletes with great inherent natural ability 519 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: who can't perform under pressure, not because their body is 520 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: not good or not because their skill is not there, 521 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: but because they just can't manage their mind, which in 522 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: turn means they can't manage their nervous system, adrenaline, cortisol, 523 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: you know. So they get themselves in their stress states, 524 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: so they're ten out of ten, skill becomes a three. 525 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the how do you think? So there's people 526 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: who grow up and they are on a bus and 527 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: they're thinking, are this is sort of what I'm going 528 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 2: to be doing this is my This becomes a bit 529 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: of a why or you believe that you are the 530 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: next sportsperson. So you enter into a life, it gives 531 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: you the purpose for a lot of it. But the 532 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: reality is that most people struggle with that sense of 533 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: purpose and where to place it or how to even 534 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: discover it. What do you think's missing for individuals that 535 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: have that challenge? 536 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: That's a great question. Purpose is a really interesting conversation because, 537 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: and again I'm generalizing here, but this is my experience, 538 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: is that a lot of people think, like when we 539 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: talk about purpose, we kind of infer that humans have 540 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: a purpose one I'm like, who said, who said? Who 541 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: said that Craig Harper has one purpose? I think not 542 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: only do we maybe have many purposes over the course 543 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: of our lifetime. That what is you know, what was 544 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: my purpose when I was twenty five might not be 545 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: my purpose when I'm sixty, and I think that it 546 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: can be. You know, when I'm with my mum and dad, 547 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: my purpose is to be present, to love them, to 548 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: look after them, to you know, I have a real 549 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: clear purpose in terms of my role in the family. 550 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: I have a real clear purpose in terms of with 551 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: my friends, and with people who need who need me 552 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: and support. I have another purpose in terms of my career. 553 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: I have another purpose in terms of you know, health 554 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: and wellness, like I think. I think having a body 555 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: that for the most part works is a gift, and 556 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: I think I have a responsibility to look after this gift. 557 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, some people are born with a body that 558 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 1: doesn't work properly. Some people, you know, get cancer when 559 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: they're twenty. Some people are and I think, so there's 560 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: all of that stuff, But I think a quick way 561 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: to figure out what your purpose is, or to get 562 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: closer towards understanding what your purpose might be, is to 563 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: define your values and think about, well, what are what 564 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: are my values? And my values are just the stuff 565 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: that matters to me the most, and it doesn't have 566 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: to be something profound like people think, oh, you know, 567 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: my values are serving humanity and you know, leaving the 568 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: world a better It doesn't worry it. Maybe, but it 569 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be that. Maybe your purpose is to 570 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: be a great dad the end, and what a fuck 571 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: an awesome purpose, because there are so many shit dads 572 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: and so many kids who have so many shit childhoods 573 00:33:53,040 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: because of their violent, aggressive, unaware sociopathic, narcissistic, unloving father. Well, 574 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: imagine if you were the opposite of that for your kids. 575 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: And I know your purpose is bigger than just that, 576 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: but I reckon for you, your purpose has got to 577 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: be that's got to be near the top of the list. Yeah, yeah, 578 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, being an amazing parent. 579 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. And because I think it's quite easy, 580 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about myself here looking at other people's 581 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: purposes and thinking fuck, that's awesome, like and then downplaying 582 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: or not allowing myself to, you know, sit in a 583 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: purpose that might be not as grandiose as some people 584 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: out there, Like you're saying. 585 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: I think the irony is that your purpose isn't about you. 586 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: Who's it about? 587 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: It's about others. My purpose is not to make my 588 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: life great for me. Now that's not to say I 589 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: don't want to look after my health or have fun 590 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: or have great friendships. But I don't think my overwhelming 591 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: reason to be on the earth. And who knows if 592 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: it's predetermined or me determined, right, but let's just go 593 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 1: with me determined and maybe a bit of pre who knows. 594 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't think my purpose is for me to be 595 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: perpetually happy. I don't think that's my purpose. I think 596 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to be sad. I'm going to be lonely, 597 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to be disconnected. I'm going to suffer, I'm 598 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: going to be in pain, and I'm going to have 599 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: good days and there's going to be joy, and there's 600 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: going to be love and kindness and connection, and there's 601 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: going to be misery and there's going to be laughter. 602 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: And that's it. That's the human experience. And I think 603 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: in the middle of all of that, I want to 604 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: be as well as a podcaster, I want to be 605 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: as relatable and real so that people don't think this 606 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: is some kind of thinly disguised fucking sales pitch for 607 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: Craig's program or something. Do you know what I mean? 608 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: It's like, no, don't come to my shit, come to 609 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: my ship, don't come to my ship. Buy a book, 610 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: don't buy a book, spend all the money, spend no money. 611 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: It's like, I love you the same. It makes no 612 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: difference to me commercially maybe, but in terms of me 613 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: at just the human like I would. You know, it 614 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: doesn't even occur to me when someone bumps into me 615 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: and goes I listen to the show. I love it. 616 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: They fully have my attention and appreciation for listening to 617 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I don't go. Have you bought anything? 618 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: You know? Have you been into a workshop? Have you 619 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: come on a camp? Have you you know? Have you 620 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: bought the online program? Have you have you heard my 621 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: audio program? Have you read any of my books? I 622 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: never It wouldn't even cross my mind to open that door, 623 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: because it doesn't it's not that important to me. 624 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you see people doing that, and 625 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 2: you know the feeling it gives you. And I think 626 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 2: there's a lot online and I'm quite surprised. But maybe 627 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: it's like I see through the veil a bit because 628 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 2: I work in creating videos, podcast all that kind of stuff. 629 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: It's like I can see the bullshit a bit more. 630 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: You can see someone's intentions around something. But then again, 631 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: some people that are like that are bringing great value. 632 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: Of course, like Tony Robbins is probably a good example. 633 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 2: He's beats the drama and I I roll at some 634 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: of the ads he does. Now I still think, oh, 635 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 2: you still banging on about getting a thousand people, three 636 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: thousand people to one workshop. But he's bringing value and 637 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 2: so you can have your life change by the big Man, 638 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 2: either him or Jesus, whatever it is, you know, whatever 639 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 2: floats your boat. 640 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: Jesus are much more cost effective and. 641 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: Well yeah, he won't make you walk on your cold. 642 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: Church not so much. Well yeah, but also it's like, 643 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: here's the thing with church, or with Tony Robins, or 644 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: with anyone. It's like, well, you don't have to go, 645 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: so if you don't like them, it don't go. It's 646 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: like when people hate my podcast, I'm like, cool, no 647 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: drama at all. Don't listen. There's the easiest solution ever 648 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: is don't listen. And if you don't like me, why 649 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: do you follow me? Why do you read all of 650 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: my shit to tell me how fucking horrendous I am. 651 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: Here's an idea, don't And it's okay. And by the way, 652 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: you're probably right sometimes and yep, not the best human 653 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: all the time, probably any of the time. I'm not 654 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: the best human, but I'm you know, with all of 655 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: that stuff, I get it. I go, Wow, what a 656 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: way to invest your energy is to channel it towards 657 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: this person that apparently you hate. But I think that, 658 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: you know, back to two minutes ago, I don't think 659 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: being of service and value and being empathetic and wanting 660 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: to help the world, and all of those things needs 661 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: to be exclusive to making a shitload of money in 662 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: a career. Yeah, you know, it's like you you can 663 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: go become the big deal movie producer and sell your 664 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: docos for five million to Netflix or ten million or 665 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: whatever you're going to do, and still be the awesome 666 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,320 Speaker 1: dad and still be the guy who goes to church 667 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: on the weekend, and still be the great husband, and 668 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: still still be the person that people love to hang 669 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: out with because you're just you. I mean, you don't 670 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: need to become anything. And they're like I think sometimes 671 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: people think when I talk this way, I'm against commercialism 672 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: and making bucks. And no, fuck no, make all the 673 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: money you want. But one, don't bullshit people, right, And 674 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: don't pretend you've got fucking answers when you don't have answers, 675 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: And don't tell anyone that you're the missing piece to 676 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: their jigsaw puzzle. All that shit I hate. But if 677 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: you've got thoughts and ideas and strategies and philosophies and 678 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: skills and a product and service that might be of 679 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 1: service to people, knock yourself out. Yeah, you know, don't 680 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: be disingenuous. 681 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you see, it really shines when you 682 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: meet somebody who you know quite is successful and they 683 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 2: might have a lot, you know, a few of those 684 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: things aligned money, whatever, looks or whatever, and they're also 685 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 2: just an awesome person and they seem so kind and 686 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 2: there's no motivation behind them. And I'm not describing you 687 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: because I'll be saying, really, you know, musty as well. 688 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 2: They it's amazing. You're like, who is that enlightened being? 689 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 2: Just like, she's so kind and she's also all those 690 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: other things. It's very annoying. I mean it makes you 691 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 2: feel like, wow, you can actually some people are you know, 692 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 2: as you hear about people meeting a celebrity that's actually nice, 693 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 2: it's like people are blown away by that because it 694 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it comes with it. 695 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: And think about the people that you really, really really admire. 696 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: I think most of the time we don't admire their dough. 697 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: We admire just what they're like, who they are, how 698 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: they are with people. Yeah, hey, before we wind up, Yeah, man, 699 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: I've been mentioning Jesus a bit lately. Are you going 700 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: to church? Is there anything that you want to hear 701 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: just between you me and the listeners. Have you opened 702 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: the the God? Have you just put your toe through 703 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: the God door a little bit? Are you just peeking around? 704 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Just a little christ curious. 705 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: And because I know that your lovely wife Amy has 706 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: got a churchy background. So were you guys just done 707 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: it to know where? Or but are you sticking your 708 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: nose in church every now and then or. 709 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: Just having a little sniff in there, Craig to see 710 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 2: what it's all about. It's funny, you know, like you 711 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 2: think about you think about someone giving like a glowing 712 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 2: recommendation for something, and how many times like I've recommended 713 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 2: a podcast or this book or whatever, and the other 714 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 2: person's just like, huh what, yeah, okay, yeah that sounds cool, 715 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: Like there's slightly interested, but there's no alignment to sort 716 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 2: of some feeling and I can't understand. I can't explain, 717 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: And like it's pretty special to have some alignment with 718 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 2: somebody who gives you some recommendation that it ali like 719 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 2: that is exactly how you're feeling or thinking at the 720 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 2: same time. And so but what I but where I 721 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: bring this back to is just like if you have 722 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 2: an interest in so church for whatever, most people you 723 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: talk to will have no interest ever in going to that, 724 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 2: but that's cool. Who gives a crap, It's up to them. 725 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: And so when you find, like, for me, I feel 726 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 2: interested in something that I have zero understanding of, that's 727 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 2: you may as well just look into it. So that's 728 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 2: a long way around saying yeah, looking into it. 729 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: It's good. That's good mate, Well keeps up dated. And 730 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's I think just being whatever, you know, 731 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: open minded. I'm not saying gullible, but being open minded 732 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: and willing to learn and willing to open doors and 733 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: have conversations and and expose yourself to different thoughts and 734 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: ideas and people and culture and mind mind set and 735 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: theology or philosophy or I think it's I think it's 736 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: a really important to the part of the human experience. 737 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 2: And well, I read all your books and then I 738 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 2: thought I need something a bit more juicy to look into. 739 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 2: In the Bibles, interesting, the. 740 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 1: Old Testament's a little heavy at time, so yeah, so 741 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: steady on, but you know, and the last book of 742 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,240 Speaker 1: the New Testament Revelations a little cryptic. 743 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 2: So yeah, but the final ones pull your finger out, 744 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 2: isn't it. That's that's your book. 745 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the that's the post Bible. Oh my goodness, 746 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm my goodness, Tom. How can people connect with you? 747 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: And where do you live? What's your home address? And 748 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: what's your what's your cell phone? 749 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 2: As the Americans say, yeah, my numbers two, one, four, six. 750 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: Three as five five five? 751 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 2: Oh yeah five five five. No, you can just search 752 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 2: the Instagram, YouTube, Tommy Jacket, or my business. Tell me 753 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 2: at vidpod dot com. Did I use my email? Go 754 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: old school? I mean that's old school. You can send 755 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 2: me a letter. Actually, we will send it to your house. 756 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 2: What's your address, Craig, It's. 757 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: Number seventy four Jumbo Lane. Oh yeah, it's right on 758 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:22,439 Speaker 1: the front, Fatty Harps Jumbo Lane, number seven four, level three. Now, 759 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: if people want to are you still working with companies 760 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: that want videos produced? And like, are you taking on 761 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: new people or are you just booked out? 762 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 2: I'm pretty booked, but I'm always open through conversation. That's 763 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 2: how most of it starts, all right. 764 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: So if you've got heaps of cash and. 765 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 2: If you want to make great videos or podcasts, let 766 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 2: me know. I put it that way. 767 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:47,880 Speaker 1: Oh mate, appreciate 768 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 2: You, thanks mate, love you, see ya, love yall