WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 September

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Shari.

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<v Speaker 2>All good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James

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<v Speaker 2>Macpherson filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight, outrage over

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<v Speaker 2>a Muslim independence social media posts seemingly glorifying the October

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<v Speaker 2>seven attacks, But will it be condemned by his rival

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke. Liberal MP Julian Lisa will join me in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio to discuss. Also tonight, Labor hesitates to reveal

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<v Speaker 2>its new climate targets, as a major car company ditches

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<v Speaker 2>its promise to go all electric. Of people finally starting

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<v Speaker 2>to wake up. Plus, the BBC prepares to acts five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred jobs in a major cost saving exercise, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>got millions of dollars to spend on. You guessed it

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<v Speaker 2>a diversity and inclusion. Push that story with my panel

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<v Speaker 2>in just a moment. But first, Bill Shorten is leaving politics.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was tasked with fixing the NDIS, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>leaving too. But it gives you you an idea just

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<v Speaker 2>how bad this government is. That when Bill Shorten announces

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<v Speaker 2>his resignation, well everyone is sad. Not sad because Shorton

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<v Speaker 2>is going, but sad because Bowen isn't nor Charmers, nor Giles,

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<v Speaker 2>nor Plebasec, nor Burke, nor wong Am I forgetting anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>You've probably come up with six names already. Shorten's resignation

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<v Speaker 2>comes just two weeks after he said he would absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>contest the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>You got the federal election, presumably early next year, you're recontesting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's my aim to keep fighting as long as I

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<v Speaker 4>can on the causes which.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll want to every mean's running again.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure at this stage, absolutely absolutely contesting the next election.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks later, absolutely not. And we're absolutely stupid if

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<v Speaker 2>we believe anything these people say. Mister Shorton's achievements include

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<v Speaker 2>helping to topple Kevin Rudd, helping to topple Julia Gillard,

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<v Speaker 2>and helping to topple the National Accounts, by which I

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<v Speaker 2>mean helping to create the NDIS. As one of the

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<v Speaker 2>architects of the NDIS, mister Shorton told us the scheme

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<v Speaker 2>would cost around thirteen billion dollars a year and be

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<v Speaker 2>fully funded. It now costs forty two billion dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cost is growing by twenty percent annually. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish my superannuation had that kind of growth. Having created

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<v Speaker 2>the NDIS, behemoth. Shorten was tasked with fixing it, and

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<v Speaker 2>having failed to fix it, Shorten is now moving on

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<v Speaker 2>to become vice chancellor of a university so he can

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<v Speaker 2>pass on his knowledge to the next generation. Don't you

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<v Speaker 2>love how this country works? He'll also lobby for more

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<v Speaker 2>international students, just as soon as his wage doesn't require

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<v Speaker 2>him to insist on fewer international students.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me trump an incoming vice chancellor with a current

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<v Speaker 4>Cabinet minister. I support the government's propositions. I'm supporting the

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<v Speaker 4>government's changes and that is as it should be.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bill Shorton rides off into the sunset where a

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<v Speaker 2>one point eight million dollar or thereabouts job at Camberra

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<v Speaker 2>University awaits, and genuinely I wish him well. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>finish up immediately, though the Prime Minister has insisted mister

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten's stay on in his seat until February. He and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree there is important work still to be done

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<v Speaker 2>to put the National Disability Insurance Scheme on a sustainable footing,

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<v Speaker 2>which really means ensuring there's no need for a by election.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and sure, a sustainable footing for the NDIS. Speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of the ndis shortens departure now leaves an opportunity or

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<v Speaker 2>is it a poisoned chalice for an MP with more

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<v Speaker 2>ambition than sense, which, let's face it, could be anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the Labor caucus. There's now an opening for a

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<v Speaker 2>new minister for the National Disability and Insurance Scheme. All

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do is turn around a runaway train

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<v Speaker 2>that former Labour Treasurer Wayne Swann described as out of

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<v Speaker 2>control and completely unsustainable, descriptors which could also be used

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<v Speaker 2>for the Economic portfolio, the immigrationfoliolio and the Energy portfolio,

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<v Speaker 2>any takers. While Anthony Albinezi is contemplating who shortens replacement

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<v Speaker 2>might be, I can well imagine Labor MPs looking down

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid eye contact when walking past the PM in

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<v Speaker 2>the parliament corridors. Shortens colleagues and opponents, Well, they were

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<v Speaker 2>gracious and complementary. Today former PM Tony Abbott tweeting Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten's retirement is a loss for our parliament. Yes, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>continue to serve our country, but we need more people

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<v Speaker 2>of courage and conviction in our public life and Bill

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<v Speaker 2>has been a striver for the higher things in his

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<v Speaker 2>time in the Parliament. Well, I don't think anyone would

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<v Speaker 2>disagree that Bill Shorton has been a striver, he said today,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd always strive to make Australia better.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's something else that aw members have taught me.

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<v Speaker 4>In the end, we're all just passing through. What matters

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<v Speaker 4>is whether we leave the place better than we found it.

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<v Speaker 2>And how's that going? Would anyone agree labor have left

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<v Speaker 2>the place better than they found it? No, well, Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten does.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we're doing a good job, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's time.

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<v Speaker 1>To go, day.

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<v Speaker 5>To go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, every now and then you get a horrible reminder

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<v Speaker 2>of why you no longer watch the ABC. This week,

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<v Speaker 2>I had the misfortune of watching the seven thirty program,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you don't have to you can thank me later.

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<v Speaker 2>Host Sarah Ferguson went digging for dirt on Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>She interviewed Trump's former communications director Anthony Scaramucci, who lasted

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<v Speaker 2>just eleven days in the job before being fired. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the best they could come up with? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>In a nine minute interview, that's almost a full minute

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<v Speaker 2>for every day Scaramuchi actually worked for Trump, one and

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<v Speaker 2>a half minutes was spent on this topic.

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<v Speaker 6>Does Trump really wear a girdle?

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>Rewind the tape and say that again.

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<v Speaker 7>Does Trump really wear a girdle?

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<v Speaker 2>Now maybe it's just me, but for a billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a year, I'm expecting better US election analysis than questions

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<v Speaker 2>about Trump's underwear. Can you imagine the outrage if a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter asked about special underwear worn by Kamala Harris. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>having inflicted the question on you, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 2>full ABC and inflict the answer on you as well

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<v Speaker 2>on certain days. Yes, what's that about?

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<v Speaker 8>He's a you know, he's an image oriented guy. He's

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<v Speaker 8>a television entertainer.

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<v Speaker 2>He does it.

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<v Speaker 8>Heats taking pictures of him from the side because he

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<v Speaker 8>just looks too fat from the side. He looks depictures had.

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<v Speaker 2>On Donald Trump is self conscious about his weight. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure he's Robinson Caruso on that one. But there's more.

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<v Speaker 8>He spends a lot of time in his hair. It's

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<v Speaker 8>like a sort of a weave thing that he does

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<v Speaker 8>up there.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump also spends time on his hair. Now, some of

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<v Speaker 2>us wish we needed to spend more time on our hair,

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<v Speaker 2>But it raises the question, with all that fussing about

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<v Speaker 2>with his hair, would he even have time to close

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<v Speaker 2>the border, sort out the economy, or deal with Putin.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's not bother ourselves with those puerile topics. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the future of the free world.

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<v Speaker 8>He's got a certain orange war paint that he wears,

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<v Speaker 8>he's got two inch heels, lifts and shoes him. And

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<v Speaker 8>though he's a reasonably tall person. There's insecurity there, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>there's the hyper massculinity is a tell for how insecure

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<v Speaker 8>the guy actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, so Trump wears heels, but he's not a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe the two inch heels of why some believe

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<v Speaker 2>Trump will destabilize the world order. As for hypermasculinity, well,

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<v Speaker 2>some masculinity wouldn't go astray in the West right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the hypermasculinity is a tell for how insecure

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is, the puerile commentary by Scaramucci is a tell

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<v Speaker 2>for why he lasted only eleven days in his job.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't much of an insight into Trump, but a definite

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<v Speaker 2>insight into his former communications director, and the reminder of

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<v Speaker 2>what you and I get for a lazy one point

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<v Speaker 2>one billion dollars a year on our ABC. Well, as

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<v Speaker 2>I said at the top of the show, former labor

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<v Speaker 2>leader and current NDIS Minister Bill Shorten has announced his

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<v Speaker 2>retirement from politics.

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<v Speaker 4>My English family said it would be unimaginable to my

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<v Speaker 4>grandma the idea that her grandson would have the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to serve in a parliament and to indeed run for

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<v Speaker 4>prime minister. I don't worry about what it hasn't been.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'm really despite the ups and the downs,

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<v Speaker 4>there is not a single day I would hand back

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<v Speaker 4>in seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Shorten has landed a job as vice chancellor at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of Canberra. Let's take this to my panel,

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<v Speaker 2>National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Mayor Basil Zemplus. Gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for joining me. Matt. This is just what our

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<v Speaker 2>country needs, isn't it yet another left to running a university.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, look, good luck to Bill Shorten. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not too worried about what his next job is I suppose,

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<v Speaker 3>although you know he's got a pretty big pay increase there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so good on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Not against people making a good buck in life, but

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<v Speaker 3>it does put him in an interesting position with the

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<v Speaker 3>government looking at capping university numbers as numbers here and

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<v Speaker 3>the university sector up in arms about that. So you

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<v Speaker 3>wonder if this is a strategic move by the universities

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<v Speaker 3>to push back against that move. I certainly think we

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<v Speaker 3>have to take steps to reduce the number of people

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<v Speaker 3>coming to this country. We just don't have enough homes

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<v Speaker 3>for Australi and so we've got to focus on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And look Bell, you know, he always wish people best

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<v Speaker 3>on the way out. I think unfortunately he will be

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<v Speaker 3>remembered for that time that he lost the election. He

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<v Speaker 3>partly lost that because he couldn't bring himself to support

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<v Speaker 3>the Danni coal mine up here in North Queensland. That

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<v Speaker 3>cost him dearly in this day. And it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 3>like Labor parties learnt its lessons. It's now stopping a

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<v Speaker 3>gold mine in New South Wales and I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>think they realize how many people in that mining sector

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<v Speaker 3>there are up here in central Queensland. It's a topic

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<v Speaker 3>of discussion what the Labor Party's doing to a gold

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<v Speaker 3>mine there, because all the workers know that decisions like

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<v Speaker 3>that threaten their livelihoods too.

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<v Speaker 2>Basil you'd think Bill Shorton would be dying to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of Canberra, but he's going to relocate there permanently

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<v Speaker 2>with the university job. Maybe that's how bad Victoria is.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, he loves Camber obviously, and he's got to stay

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<v Speaker 9>in his current role. We heard the Prime Minister say

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<v Speaker 9>until February because there is work still to be done.

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<v Speaker 9>Like everybody, congratulations and good luck to Bill Shawnton. Bill

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<v Speaker 9>shorton seventeen years in the Federal Parliament. He has been,

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<v Speaker 9>as Theodore Roosevelt told us, the man in the arena,

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<v Speaker 9>and for that he deserves the credit. We congratulate him

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<v Speaker 9>in twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen, appreciate his words today and

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<v Speaker 9>stoic and noble, but you don't become the opposition leader

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<v Speaker 9>and lead your party to an election and then hope

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<v Speaker 9>not to win it. And certainly twenty nineteen will burn

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<v Speaker 9>and hurt. But he's moving on. We wish him all

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<v Speaker 9>the best. And yeah, he likes camera. He's going to

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<v Speaker 9>be staying in camera for a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Longer indeed, and we do wish him all the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian is reporting that the Albanezy government could be

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<v Speaker 2>having second thoughts about unveiling its twenty thirty five emissions

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<v Speaker 2>reduction target. Now the target's supposed to be made public

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<v Speaker 2>in February next year, but it sounds like the government

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<v Speaker 2>has not convinced it would be a good idea to

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<v Speaker 2>announce the target prior to the election. Matt Tai, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder why the government would balk releasing an emissions target.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the main reason here is the Labor

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<v Speaker 3>government is preparing for minority government. They're keeping their powder

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<v Speaker 3>dry on issues like this so they can keep some

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<v Speaker 3>things in the bottom drawer to pull out when they

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<v Speaker 3>think inevitably may have to negotiate with Teals and.

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<v Speaker 1>Greens after the election.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it'll be if you vote for the Labor

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<v Speaker 3>Party at this election, you'll be giving them an effect

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<v Speaker 3>a blank check to after the election write out a

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<v Speaker 3>massive io you to the Greens and till parties. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's fair to the Australian public. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the Australian public have a chance to see

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<v Speaker 3>through that and not vote for a Labor party that

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<v Speaker 3>cannot commit to what they'll actually do with the next

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<v Speaker 3>term of government because they'll probably deform government need the

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<v Speaker 3>support of Greens and Teals, And of course the Greens

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<v Speaker 3>and Teals will want that emission's target to be as

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<v Speaker 3>high as possible now. I think what we just need

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<v Speaker 3>to do though over all issue here is let's just

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<v Speaker 3>drop all of these targets.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just absolutely absurd.

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<v Speaker 3>We have economy tanking, we have massive geopolitical risks on

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<v Speaker 3>our door store step. None of those countries the north

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<v Speaker 3>of US are taking climate target seriously. It's about time

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<v Speaker 3>we drop these climate change observe climate change targets and

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<v Speaker 3>focus on the only target that matters right now, a

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<v Speaker 3>cost of living target to bring down inflation for people

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<v Speaker 3>and get our standard living back up to a reasonable level.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, taking you up on that point, Basil, I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you, if Trump wins and pulls out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Paris Agreement as he did last time he was

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<v Speaker 2>in power, and if the rise of conservatives in Europe continues,

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<v Speaker 2>then Australia could set an ambitious emissions target only to

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<v Speaker 2>end up out on a limb all on its own.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, that's absolutely correct, and I think the ambition on

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<v Speaker 9>its own is fine. The ambition to get towards net

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<v Speaker 9>zero no problem. We should all be striving for a

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<v Speaker 9>more sustainable future, no argument with that, but locking ourselves

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<v Speaker 9>into targets that are more than likely going to be unachievable.

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<v Speaker 9>Does nobody, including the industry that is there to try

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<v Speaker 9>and help us get to those targets any good. Our

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<v Speaker 9>best bet is to work our way towards net zero,

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<v Speaker 9>keep the lights on, keep the costs down, and get

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<v Speaker 9>there when we do. Locking ourselves into unachievable targets does

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<v Speaker 9>nobody any good at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, I mean the other point you make there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the point well made unachievable. We're barely going

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<v Speaker 2>to make or barely on track to make the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thirty targets. The cost of power is through the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>We're being warned about potential blackouts. So for the government

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<v Speaker 2>prior to the next election, then to trumpet a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new target of whatever it's going to be, sixty percent

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever is only going to frighten everyone even more

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<v Speaker 2>so I can understand their reticence. More on the subject

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<v Speaker 2>of targets, Swedish carmaker Volvo has become the latest big

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<v Speaker 2>name manufacturer to scrap its screen energy dream. They've dropped

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<v Speaker 2>their promise to go all electric by twenty thirty. Volvo

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<v Speaker 2>are known for the safety of their vehicles, but clearly

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to take a risk with renewables and

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<v Speaker 2>electricity and their business plan going forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just glad James that the principle that the

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<v Speaker 3>customer is always right is re establishing itself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the way it should work. That's the way a good,

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<v Speaker 3>well functioning market should work. Is that the car companies,

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<v Speaker 3>the manufacturers of any good are actually there to serve

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<v Speaker 3>the interests of the customers, not there to serve the

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<v Speaker 3>interests of governments, not there to serve the interests of

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<v Speaker 3>activist green movements that want to establish arbitrary targets on

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<v Speaker 3>different numbers. What Volvo should be in the business of

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<v Speaker 3>doing is producing cars that people want to drive. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>some people are happy to drive an electric vehicle. Good

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<v Speaker 3>luck to them. There's no problem with that. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>free country. But clearly these electric vehicles are not suitable

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<v Speaker 3>for many people, large families, people with long commutes, people

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<v Speaker 3>have to in the bush up here, have to travel

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<v Speaker 3>long distances often to and from work and anywhere else

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<v Speaker 3>they want to go. It's just not going to work.

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<v Speaker 3>So we need to have a proper market that just

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<v Speaker 3>delivers for consumers. So I think that is re establishing itself.

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<v Speaker 3>And like all of these ridiculous targets. We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>see them four like dominoes in the years ahead, because

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<v Speaker 3>the promises we were being made will soon be bitten

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<v Speaker 3>by that inevitable dog called reality. That'll happen, and when

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<v Speaker 3>reality catches up with a lot of people will be

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<v Speaker 3>very embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the interesting things that Volvo said in this

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<v Speaker 2>announcement was that they wanted stronger government policies to support electrification.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it just a fancy sounding admission that people won't

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<v Speaker 2>buy evs without government coercion, precisely what it's saying.

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<v Speaker 9>And these big car manufacturers and Bobo, by the way,

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<v Speaker 9>are not the first one to go down this path.

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<v Speaker 9>We've seen a reversing of stated ambition from a number

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<v Speaker 9>of the big manufacturers. They're not mugs. They're in the

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<v Speaker 9>business of making cars and making money. And if they're

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<v Speaker 9>backing away from full electric, that tells you one thing

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<v Speaker 9>and one thing only, it's not sustainable financially for them

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<v Speaker 9>in the current environment. And again it's another reason why

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<v Speaker 9>targets just don't work. If we're going to get there,

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<v Speaker 9>let's get there when we get there, But trying to

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<v Speaker 9>get there ahead of time can only cause these sorts

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<v Speaker 9>of problems, and I think what was And the other point,

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<v Speaker 9>of course is we don't really know what happens at

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<v Speaker 9>the end of the life of the battery that's in

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<v Speaker 9>the electric cars. Yet most people are now starting to

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<v Speaker 9>tell us you're going to have to throw the battery

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<v Speaker 9>away and probably get a brand new cars, not like

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<v Speaker 9>you can take the battery out and put it in.

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<v Speaker 9>And where does the battery go then, and what happens

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<v Speaker 9>to the rest of the car.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all of those.

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<v Speaker 9>Things to deal with, and that's what happens when you're

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<v Speaker 9>just racing ahead to targets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very well said. I couldn't agree more. The dust

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<v Speaker 2>is finally starting to settle after big after Jim Chalmer's

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<v Speaker 2>big day out yesterday where he spun those disastrous GDP

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<v Speaker 2>figures as if they were some kind of achievement. But

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<v Speaker 2>for all the treasure's hard work, I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 2>was buying what he was selling. The reaction to the

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<v Speaker 2>data has been less than enthusiastic. You could say, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>can you claim to be winning by keeping the country

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<v Speaker 2>out of recession by record spending that's fueling inflation?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't, James, You can't because every Australian household knows

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<v Speaker 3>that what the Treasurer is trying to sell matches nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the reality they're facing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the treasure is effectively in the business now

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<v Speaker 3>of telling people to ignore their lying eyes. They can

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<v Speaker 3>see themselves their stand of living falling. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>look deeper into the economic statistics on a per person basis,

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<v Speaker 3>the standard living of the average Australian household has fallen

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<v Speaker 3>back to levels we hadn't seen haven't seen since twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 3>We've gone back in just two years of this Labor government.

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<v Speaker 3>We've gone back thirteen years and that's never been just

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<v Speaker 3>an unprecedented reduction. And everybody can feel that. Treasure I

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<v Speaker 3>was trying to say, no, you've never had it better.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got a great government's doing great jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to work.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think, I mean for that, I'm not in

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<v Speaker 3>the business of giving the Labor Party advice, but I

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<v Speaker 3>do think it would be better if we could find

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<v Speaker 3>some leaders who would tell us the truth, level with

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<v Speaker 3>us and then come up with real solutions, not handouts,

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<v Speaker 3>not little sugar hits, but real solutions that could get

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<v Speaker 3>us out of this hole. And the longer the Treasurer

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<v Speaker 3>continues to try and tell us fairy tales, the sooner

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to find himself having a pretty nasty ending.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Basil record spending and just bringing more and more

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<v Speaker 2>people into the country hardly sounds like a financial plan.

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<v Speaker 1>It's adding to inflation. We know that.

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<v Speaker 9>In nice blag Jim Chalmers, I'm tempted to say I

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<v Speaker 9>feel a bit sorry for him. There are some jobs

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<v Speaker 9>from the other side of the fence that probably look

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<v Speaker 9>like they're pretty easy when everything's going well. I'm not

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<v Speaker 9>sure that Treasurer of this country is one of them.

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<v Speaker 9>But I tell you what, when things aren't going so well,

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<v Speaker 9>it doesn't look like an easy job then, and right now,

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<v Speaker 9>Jim Chalmers looks like he's got the hardest job in

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<v Speaker 9>the country and that he is not enjoying one bit

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<v Speaker 9>of it. This is a tough sell and he's not

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<v Speaker 9>doing a very good job of selling our financial position

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<v Speaker 9>to the Australian public at the moment. Because what everyday

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<v Speaker 9>Australians understand is the cost of living, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 9>Is the cost of their everyday existence going up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the language every day Australians understand. And on that

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<v Speaker 9>score he's being marked with a big cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I've got to go to a break but before

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<v Speaker 2>I do, Basil, I want to get your tip. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you're an AFL lover. Who's going to win the premiership?

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<v Speaker 2>The final start today? Who's going to win?

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<v Speaker 9>Five teams can win it? I reckon, But Sydney have

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<v Speaker 9>been the best team all year. So Sydney, but they're

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<v Speaker 9>going to need a little bit of luck.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, all right, I'll hold you to that

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<v Speaker 2>tip and we'll check in a few weeks whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you are right. Thanks, gentlemen, appreciate your time stick

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<v Speaker 2>with us. Coming up after the break outrage over the

0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>social media history of an independent candidate running for our

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<v Speaker 2>federal parliament, how could we allow someone who seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the October seven massacres go anywhere near Canberra? Plus

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<v Speaker 2>Meta abandons all pretense of supporting its Jewish users. Julian

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa will be on the show next well. As some

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<v Speaker 2>of you may be aware, there's a man running for

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<v Speaker 2>office at the next federal election who appears to have

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<v Speaker 2>supported the murder of Israelis. On October seven. This man,

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<v Speaker 2>a Muslim doctor named Ziad Basioni, is gunning for Home

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<v Speaker 2>Affairs Minister Tony Burke's seat in Western Sydney. Now it's

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<v Speaker 2>unthinkable to me that someone who shared social media posts

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly celebrating the murders of twelve hundred Israelis could end

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<v Speaker 2>up with a seat in the Australian Federal Parliament. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet that's exactly what could happen. Five days after the

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<v Speaker 2>October seven attack, Basione shared this post with his one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thirty two thousand followers on Facebook. It appears to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the graduation of Palestinians from throwing rocks at Israelis

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<v Speaker 2>to being able to paraglide into the Nova Music festival

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<v Speaker 2>with machine guns, murdering four hundred young people in cold blood.

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<v Speaker 2>The caption reads dreams, my friend come true for those

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<v Speaker 2>who seek and work to make them come true. The

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<v Speaker 2>guy sharing this disgusting post now dreams of sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>our parliament. Liberal MP Julian Lisa is with me in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio. Julian, thanks for joining me. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>few days ago that Azoboss Mike Burgess said anyone celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>October seven or supporting October seven attacks on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Is not fit to come into this country. And yet

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<v Speaker 2>this guy dreams of sitting in Federal Parliament.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think he's not fit to sit in the

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<v Speaker 6>Federal Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>James.

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<v Speaker 2>If this isn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Glorification of terrorism, I don't know what is. How could

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<v Speaker 6>any Australian citizen possibly celebrate the murder of twelve hundred

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<v Speaker 6>innocent people by putting up this post and think that

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<v Speaker 6>their contribution to the Federal Parliament in any way will

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<v Speaker 6>add to the social cohesion of this country.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this man is unfit for parliament and I

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<v Speaker 6>hope the electors of Watson do the right thing and

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<v Speaker 6>dispatch him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I hope the electors do the right thing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>He's running against Tony Burke, speaking of doing the right thing,

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<v Speaker 2>he's battling to retain the seat. There's a high Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>population in that seat. But Tony Burke has not come

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<v Speaker 2>out and condemned this gentleman or his posts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 6>Tony Burke should come out and condemn this person. Tony

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<v Speaker 6>Burke is the Minister for Home affairs. He has the

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<v Speaker 6>social cohesion of our country as part of his responsibility.

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<v Speaker 6>Tony Burke has protecting Australians and keeping them safe as

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<v Speaker 6>part of his responsibility. Tony Burke needs to stop thinking

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<v Speaker 6>about what's going on in his electorate and start thinking

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<v Speaker 6>about the national interest. So I want to hear Tony

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<v Speaker 6>Burke condemn this man loudly and clearly for glorifying a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 2>Act absolutely now. Sky News previously reported that Basioni used

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<v Speaker 2>a separate Facebook post to share videos of people celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>the attacks on October seven. They were celebrating in Western Sydney.

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<v Speaker 2>These attacks have listened to what he said when asked

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<v Speaker 2>about that, it's.

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<v Speaker 10>Obvious that this post was related to Palestinians celebrating being

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<v Speaker 10>out of the cage.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been under dures for twelve years, so there's his explanation. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>the Australia Palestine Advocacy Network, who advertise that they stand

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<v Speaker 2>for human rights and justice, well, they declined to comment

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<v Speaker 2>when asked what they thought about these posts.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's a disgrace James that they've failed to comment.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we know exactly what they think about these posts.

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<v Speaker 6>Some of the statements by Apan in recent months. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>saying that from the river to the sea is an

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<v Speaker 6>acceptable phrase, talking about Israel as a claiming of state

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 6>and denying the importance of a two state solution. In fact,

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 6>rejecting a two state solution says that they're not playing

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 6>an important role which they should be playing, which is

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 6>advocating for Palestinian people, but doing so in a way

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 6>that matches our foreign policy and our national interests and

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:25.640
<v Speaker 6>the social cohesion of this country.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand organizations that advertise they stand for

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>human rights and justice but then can't condemn what appears

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 2>to be people celebrating murder and terrorism. Julian does you

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>says sorry.

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 6>Often when we talk about human rights and justice in

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 6>the world today, particularly among so called human rights advocates,

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 6>it's human rights for everyone else other than Jewish people.

0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 6>And that's the tragedy that we're seeing around the world today.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, we've got numbers of Muslims saying they're going to

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 2>run as independence at the next federal election. Effectively they're

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.360
<v Speaker 2>running on one issue, and that's Gaza. I just want

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:02.359
<v Speaker 2>to ask you about what's happening in the UK because

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's instructive. The labor government there has just

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 2>put restrictions on sales of weapons to Israel in response

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 2>essentially to domestic political pressure where they've had a lot

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>of Muslims run for local government and at the most

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 2>recent elections. My question, Julian, is are we seeing Western

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 2>political systems being hijacked by a particular religious group to

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 2>prosecute a foreign war against one of our own allies.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 6>James, as an Australian, I want to see my foreign policy,

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 6>the foreign policy of my government based on values, and

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 6>that means that Australia, like Britain, should stand with Western

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 6>democratic allies like Israel, who believe in democracy, in the

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 6>rule of law, in equal rights for men and women.

0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 6>These are some of the fundamental issues that our foreign

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.160
<v Speaker 6>policy should be based and we should be standing by

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 6>those allies in their time of need. And we shouldn't

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 6>be weakening our foreign policy to appeal to one group

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.160
<v Speaker 6>or another. Should be basing them on the broad, historic

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 6>and enduring values of this country.

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.359
<v Speaker 2>We should be, but that's evidently not what's happening in

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the UK. My fear is we're going to experience that

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 2>same trend here.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think the government has been weak on these

0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 6>issues and I want to see the government be strong.

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 6>And I don't think government members would be facing the

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 6>political threats that they're facing in Western Sydney if they've

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 6>been very clear, if they've been very clear from the

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 6>outset that our foreign policy will not bend the noisy minorities,

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 6>that it will remain traditional for Australian foreign policy, which

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 6>is standing by ally Israel. But unfortunately, even before the

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 6>seventh of October, we know the government has been backsliding

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 6>on Israel. We know they changed the capital, we know

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 6>they were renewed funding to UNRA, and of course employees

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 6>were involved in the seventh of October terrorist attacks. The

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 6>main headquarters was the communications center for Hamas. We know

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 6>also that they've changed Australia's votes at the un This

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 6>government has been backsliding on Israel long before the seventh

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 6>of October because of their own intern Labor Party constituency.

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 6>This is why we really need Peter Dutton and the

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 6>Coalition back in charge, because only the Coalition will guarantee

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 6>that Australian foreign policy will always be based on our

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 6>enduring values and interests.

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you just one more question before

0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>we let you go. It's not only Western governments who

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.879
<v Speaker 2>appear to be abandoning Israel. Meta, who own Facebook, have

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 2>just ruled that the slogan from the river to the

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Sea is not hate speech. The tech giants independent Oversight

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Board has given a free pass to Facebook and Instagram

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>users to continue using that phrase in their posts. I

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>love this as long as the posts don't glorify a

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>mus or incite violence. So you can say death to

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Israel as long as you say it nicely.

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 6>This is the most ridiculous decision of Meta. And as

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 6>we know, social media companies do not have the interests

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 6>of communities and countries like Australia at heart. They are

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.280
<v Speaker 6>just interested in profit and interested in controversy.

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 2>But this is a terrible thing.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 6>To allow to continue. This is a violent phrase from

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:01.720
<v Speaker 6>the river of the sea. It calls for the violent

0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 6>destruction of Israel. It's not about having two people in

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 6>a two state solution. And when you actually go to

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 6>the original Arabic, it means from water to water, Palestine

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 6>will remain Arab.

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what it means.

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 6>It's not about being free, it's about being one unitary

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 6>Arab state and that's not what Australia has been looking for.

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>That's not what I've.

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 6>Been looking for, that's not what the world's been looking for.

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 6>And this is a hateful phrase. It calls for the

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 6>violent destruction of the Jewish people. The Prime Minister is

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 6>right to call it out months ago. The Senate, in

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 6>a bipartisan resolution that was opposed by the Greens, was

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 6>right to describe it as such, and Meta as a laggard,

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 6>as they are in so many areas.

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, Julian Lisa, thanks so much for joining me tonight.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Thanks James.

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Well still to come. I'll cross live to the United

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>States to discuss the latest in the presidential election with

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Adam Crichton. But first the bizarre way the BBC is

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>trying to save money firing hundreds of its staff and

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.080
<v Speaker 2>replace them with diversity hires. I'll discuss that with my

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>panel right after this short break. Welcome back. Lots more

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to get through tonight, so let's jump straight into it

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:15.560
<v Speaker 2>with commentator Jason Morrison and The Australian's National Affairs editor

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Joe Kelly. Gentlemen, thanks for joining me. I want to

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>return to today's main story, the shock retirement of Bill Shorten.

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Here were his passing words on his legacy achievements.

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 4>What we did three weeks ago in the Parliament has

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.959
<v Speaker 4>meant that we will be able to set this on

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 4>a direction where the scheme will be true to its

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 4>original purpose, where the shanks and frauds are evicted, and

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 4>we'll start focusing on outcomes for people. And I'm absolutely

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 4>positive about the bright horizon for the NDIS. I've had

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 4>the very very very privileged position to lead labor. I've

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 4>had the chance to help the victims of robodebt.

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Bill short riding off into the sunset. Jason,

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>did you see this coming? No? I mean, I'm not

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>going to be smart and so yeah, but I set

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>you up beautiful there. You could have been a great.

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 5>That he stopped giving two thirds of you know what

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 5>a while back when he was confronted with the NDOS

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 5>and the absolute sandwich that that is. I got the

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 5>feeling the guy was kind of almost you know, he

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 5>knew he was fixed, and I sense he thinks they're

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 5>fixed too, And that's part of it. And you know,

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 5>if you're at Bill Shorten's agent stage in politics, with

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 5>probably no chance of being Prime Minister, which you know,

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 5>if it hadn't been for bow And, he probably would

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.400
<v Speaker 5>have ended up Prime minister once upon a time. I

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 5>would think there's probably just something that goes on your head,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 5>you say, there's got to be better things out there.

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 5>So now he's going off into academia, and aren't we

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 5>lucky as a country?

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 8>You know what?

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 5>Can he run a course in the public maladministration or something.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 5>It is extraordinary how these people graduate on to bigger

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 5>and better things all the time, and the good old

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 5>taxpayer has to sit there and pay for it. But

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's an impossible task. The NDI is impossible,

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 5>and I think he has tried very, very hard, and

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 5>it's kind of tragic it away because I mean, I

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 5>know you won't with any friends on the sky and

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 5>newsed by telling you that Bill Shorton actually is quite

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 5>a decent man. And I've always found him to be

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 5>you all the good qualities you want't a politician, except

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 5>when it comes to judgment of character. And he has

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 5>allowed and he allowed himself to get knocked out of

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 5>the game by promoting a deal like Bowen to where

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Bowen got to at one stage.

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>And he genuinely cares about the genuinely believes in it. Joe,

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>let me go to you, what would you say Bill

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Shorten's legacy will be.

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 11>Oh, look, that's a that's a really good question. I

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 11>think Bill Shorten will be remembered for this overwhelming and

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 11>expansive sense of political ambition. And while the announcement today

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 11>I think was surprising from some perspectives, it wasn't really

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 11>because I think it's an admission that he knows he's

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 11>never going to be minister. So Bill Shorton came into

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 11>Parliament in two thousand and seven, He's immediately made a

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 11>Parliamentary secretary. He then very quickly gets involved in the

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 11>leadership machinations, plotting to overturn Kevin Rudd. And when Labour

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 11>lost the twenty thirteen election, he was in that runoff

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 11>against Anthony Albanesi. And I actually think if he sat

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 11>back at that time and let Anthony Albanese go on

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 11>to lead the Labor Party, I think there's a good

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 11>chance that Bill Shorton might actually have ended up being

0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 11>Prime Minister today.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>So look, I.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 11>Think his career was driven by this sense of aspiration

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 11>to achievement, and I think that's sort of the defining

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 11>characteristic of Bill Short he didn't want to leave anything

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 11>wanting in his political career.

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of leaving things wanting, let's talk about local

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>government for second. The City Morning Herald is reporting that

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 2>misbehaving counselors would face fine, suspensions or disqualification from public

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 2>office under a proposed suite of reforms aimed at streamlining

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 2>accountability and instilling transparency in local government. So basically what

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:19.200
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do, Jason, is they're going to come

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 2>up with a simplified code of conducts Now, that sounds great,

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 2>but I was amazinges a one pager, Well, it'll be

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.320
<v Speaker 2>two pages. I was fascinated to read today the existing

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>code of conduct for councilors in New South Wales. It

0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>runs to one hundred pages.

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 5>Which is not bad because I'd say overwhelming most of

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 5>them can't read.

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>We have a remarkable ruling.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 5>Class in this country except in local government. When you

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 5>realize you think you've got B graders in Canberra or

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 5>in your state parliament, go have a look at your

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 5>local council. This is pretty amazing. This will be weaponized,

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 5>for sure, It'll be weaponized.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>If you want to look at.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 5>The bitchiness of politics in its ugliness. You look at

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 5>local government, they are disgrace full towards each other and

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 5>throw dung at each other all the time.

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 2>And most of the time.

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 5>Of course, you know where the financiers of these little

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 5>games are going with these people that spend time in

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.120
<v Speaker 5>there talking about the Gaza strip and whatever as opposed

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 5>to the nature strip. I think it's kind of amusing.

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 5>And you know what else is amusing. And I'm sorry

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 5>to get personal on this, but most people should actually

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 5>google Ron Honig, who is the local government Minister in

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 5>New South Wales, and look at his local government career.

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 5>A man who was not contested as a mayor and

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 5>sometimes didn't even need to have elections because somehow they

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 5>figured out a way of scaring all the other candidates

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 5>away in the local government seat of Botany. It was

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.760
<v Speaker 5>pretty extraordinary to see that man is now the local

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 5>government ministry in New South Wales because he knows the

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 5>game better than anybody else. And when I say the game,

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 5>I mean the game. It is extraordinary.

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you see local governments doing crazy things and

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 2>you never really see local government ministers getting involved. Joe,

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got an idea. I want to run past you Okay,

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 2>so thinking about this all day, I want your thoughts.

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 2>They're saying they're going to have three tests for alleged misbehavior,

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>conduct unbecoming, conduct that brings the Council into disrepute, and

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 2>conduct that is outside the norms that's expected, but I

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.919
<v Speaker 2>want to add three more Code of Conduct violations. Give

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>me your thoughts. Trying to rewrite Australian history, taking positions

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>on foreign affairs, and flying flags other than the Australian flag,

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>they should be Code of Conduct breaches as well.

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 11>What do you say, Oh, look, I totally agree. I

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 11>think local government's very important. I think one of the

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 11>shames is that it often gets left out of the debate.

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 11>But local government is responsible for steering local communities, you know, roads,

0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 11>rates and rubbish. It's important that we have good people

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 11>on local councils making these decisions and a lot of

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 11>the time I think it's sometimes.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Falls through the cracks.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.960
<v Speaker 11>But one of the I think to disturbing things is

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 11>that there's this tendency to focus on things other than

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 11>the bread and butter issues, So things like the date

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 11>of Australia Day, things like what's going on in the

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 11>Middle East in relation to Israel in relation to Gaza.

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 11>So I mean, I don't think that should be the

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 11>core business of local government, and I think it's a

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.000
<v Speaker 11>shame that too often we hear local government straying into

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 11>these diversions when their job is critically important for the

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 11>basic efficient functioning of our societies and for individual people.

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, while we're talking about local government, it's a perfect

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>segue into artificial intelligence, Joe. You reported today that Labor

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 2>is immediately introducing voluntary AI safeguards as it looks at

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 2>some different measures to mitigate the risks that come when

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<v Speaker 2>using AI. Just quickly, what are the big risks for

0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.839
<v Speaker 2>consumers now that so many businesses are using AI, and

0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 2>how would a voluntary code as suggested by the government

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>mitigate those risks.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, look, I think the main thing firstly is that

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 11>this is a voluntary code. So they've done another report

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 11>that will go out for consultation for at least another

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 11>four weeks, and then the government will have to consider

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:28.760
<v Speaker 11>the regulatory response. So this is a very complicated issue.

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 11>AI will affect all levels of our society, in our economy,

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 11>and it's going to require a pretty comprehensive regulatory response.

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.720
<v Speaker 11>So they're looking at whether there'll be a standalone AI

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 11>Act or whether you have some sort of other approach

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 11>to individual legislation where you're adapting individual regulations to adjust

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 11>for this new revolution. But none of that's happening at

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.839
<v Speaker 11>the moment. There is a voluntary code of conduct that's

0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 11>being introduced.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the.

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<v Speaker 11>Issue is that Ed Husick needs to get his skates

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 11>on and we should have a plan. And I think

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 11>it would be ideal if that plan was presented this

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 11>side of the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever they talk about, you know, governments wanting to protect

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 2>us from AI, all I can think of is the

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Biden administration appointing Kamala Harris to protect humanity from AI.

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<v Speaker 5>God help us set further e Karen E Karen, Yeah,

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 5>good call' that'll be the the boss of the AI world.

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.959
<v Speaker 5>And God help Australia. That be leave us being pulled

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 5>everywhere about it. That'smazing how they want to get involved

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 5>in everything, but about five years too late.

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah right. Let's let's go to the UK where

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the BBC are saying that five hundred staff will lose

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.080
<v Speaker 2>their jobs over the next two years to help them

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>with their bottom line. But it's not all bad news

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 2>for the BBC. They can't afford to pay five hundred

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>staff who there letting go, but they can afford to

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 2>spend eight hundred million pounds year on diversity programs, you know,

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that really matters, eighty million pounds a year.

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, did we say BBC or ABC because this sounds remarkable.

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just like you've got the currencies. Oh, it's the

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 2>same all over the world with national broadcasters. Joe, correct

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 2>me if I'm wrong, But it's the BBC eventually firing

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>staff and just replacing them with newer, woker dei hires instead.

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 11>Well, look, we had a similar thing that happened at

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 11>the ABC when they got rid of Andrew Proben and

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:36.960
<v Speaker 11>replaced him with you know, digital producers. I think one

0:40:37.000 --> 0:40:40.839
<v Speaker 11>of the issues for mainstream media organizations today is that

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 11>we do have to do more with less.

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>There are more people.

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 11>Tuning out of mainstream media looking at other sources of media.

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 11>But public broadcasters, compared at least to the private sector,

0:40:51.280 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 11>in a relatively luxurious position. And you think that if

0:40:56.440 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 11>there are going to be cuts, if they're going to

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 11>lay people off in journal are going to be out

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 11>of work, you'd at least think that they're managing their

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 11>budgets effectively and not wasting it on diversity programs. So

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 11>those are my thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, their diversity programs, Jackson, are very important to them

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>because they want twenty five percent of all their staff

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:21.240
<v Speaker 2>to either be ethnic, disabled or from a lower socio

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>economic part of town. Is that a good plan for

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 2>building a news organization?

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I can only relate the Australian experience the

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 5>removal of the was it pale, stale and mails out

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 5>of the ABC. They did plenty of that and they

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 5>moved a lot of people on and all that's happened

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 5>is the organization has gone of the shit. And the

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 5>whole problem I think with the ABC at the moment

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 5>is it's got too many people. I mean, they might

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 5>have a lot of diversity.

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't have a lot of integrity.

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 5>And the diversity they always talk about, it's always about

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.399
<v Speaker 5>skin color, or it's always about ethnicity or accents whatever.

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 5>It's never about diversity of views. And you know, I

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 5>overthink the British public probably would love to see its

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.879
<v Speaker 5>national broadcast, which by the way, is vastly better than

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 5>our national broadcast.

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>With this country and more popular and viewed.

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 5>But I think they'd like to see it diverse in

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 5>its attitude as opposed to just looking at things, because

0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 5>things are a little deeper than skin deep. And you know,

0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 5>it's quite amusing to watch what we know doesn't work

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 5>in Australia now go on in other parts of the world.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>And you know, God help the.

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 5>BBC, because it actually kind of matters to the world,

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 5>the BBC, and it's tragic in a way that they're

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:30.760
<v Speaker 5>going to screw that one.

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Up to Yeah, it does, Jason and Joe, Thanks for

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>joining me tonight. I appreciate your time. Well still to come.

0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris's running mate Tim Waltz is humiliated as eight

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 2>family members publicly declared their support for Donald Trump. Plus

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>how the latest poles are playing out. All of that

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:51.839
<v Speaker 2>in just a moment with Adam Crichton. Okay, well, let's

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 2>turn our attention to the US, where Donald Trump has

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 2>unleashed on Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz during a town

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 2>hall moderated by Fox News.

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<v Speaker 4>Snippet This conjury will end up in a depression if

0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 4>she becomes president like nineteen twenty nine, this will be

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 4>a nineteen twenty nine depression.

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 2>She has no idea what the hell she's doing. So

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. Let's cross live to Washington, d C.

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Where I'm joined by the Australians correspondent there, Adam Crichton. Adam,

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>great to see you. It was a pretty friendly event,

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 2>but it was another opportunity for Trump to blast Kamala,

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't it.

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 7>Well, certainly it was a friendly event, but at least

0:43:32.680 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 7>he's doing events. I mean, he's been doing so many

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 7>interviews recently. And it was no surprise that it was

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 7>held in Pennsylvania because that state is just so crucial

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 7>really to this election. I mean, it's a state that

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 7>Democrats have won in every election since nineteen eighty eight

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 7>except for twenty sixteen, which of course was when Trump won,

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 7>and pretty much whoever wins that state this time will

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 7>probably win the presidential election. Now, the problem with the

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.280
<v Speaker 7>vice president is she has a huge shortcoming there.

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Because it's a state that's fairly.

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 7>Dependent on fracking, and she has said previously that she's

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 7>opposed to fracking, so that's what Trump is really hammering

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 7>her over now.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, Harris's running mate Tim Walls hees nursing a Bruce

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.240
<v Speaker 2>ego after some of his relatives from Nebraska openly declared

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>their support for Donald Trump. They've even posted a family

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.960
<v Speaker 2>photo wearing Trump shirts. Now, Charles Herbster posted the image

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>of eight family members distant supposedly to the Minnesota governor,

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 2>wearing matching tops which say Nebraska Waltz's family for Trump. Adam,

0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be an awkward Christmas if the Democrats lose,

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, certainly that is very embarrassing. And the photo was

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 7>so embarrassing people thought that it might have been fake,

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 7>but it is apparently real.

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny about that is.

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 7>Most of the media over here is all over the

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 7>nieces and nephews of Donald Trump, who of course hate him.

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 7>They're always saying that, but so far they haven't been

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 7>all over this photo, so they should be. And actually,

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 7>it's worth pointing out it's not just the Waltzes, it's

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:06.680
<v Speaker 7>also Barack Obama's His older half brother has also been

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 7>tweeting that he'll be supporting Trump. So a few issues

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 7>with family members on the campaign.

0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:16.520
<v Speaker 2>What did I say? You can't choose your family? A

0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 2>new see an End poll has found that there's no

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 2>clear favorite across all six battleground states, with Harris leading

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>in Wisconsin and Michigan, Trump taking the advantage in Arizona,

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and voters split almost evenly in Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania.

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 2>There's lots of poles saying all sorts of things. What's

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 2>your read on the situation as it currently stands.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Well, the polls generally show that Kamala Harris is

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 7>ahead by one or two percentage points, but that is

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.840
<v Speaker 7>just the margin of error. I mean, personally, I prefer

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 7>to look at the bedding markets, and if you look

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.960
<v Speaker 7>at those, Trump is actually slightly ahead. I mean the

0:45:52.000 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 7>average at the moment of the major eight.

0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Bookies in the US that offer odds on.

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 7>This he's on forty nine points seven percent chance of

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.480
<v Speaker 7>winning and she's on forty nine percent.

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>So it's still extremely close. But it's just.

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 7>Important to point out that the betting markets move faster,

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.840
<v Speaker 7>and they're probably taken into account the Robert F. Kennedy effect,

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:12.320
<v Speaker 7>which some of those polls have not taken into account.

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 7>Of course, he's dropped out and he's joined the Trump campaign.

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:19.239
<v Speaker 7>So look just extremely extremely close with two months ago.

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's really all down.

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 7>I think at this point to the debate on Tuesday

0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.280
<v Speaker 7>night next week, that's going to be such an important

0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:26.760
<v Speaker 7>event for both candidates.

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>All Right, I want to ask you quickly about Republican

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.879
<v Speaker 2>former Representative Liz Cheney. She's just announced that she'll vote

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Democrat at the election. Have a listen, as is the danger.

0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 7>That Donald Trump poses.

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 12>Not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 12>I am voting him from commerce.

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Well it's nice, but of course, back in twenty twenty,

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Liz Cheney was calling Kamala Harris a radical liberal who

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>was further to left than Bernie Sanders. Here she is in.

0:46:57.600 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 12>One foul sweep. Here he has put somebody on the

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 12>tech whose voting record in the Senate is to the

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.120
<v Speaker 12>left of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. So I think that,

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 12>you know, the American people are going to look at

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 12>the substance of this. They're going to look at what

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 12>she stood for in the past, They're going to look

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 12>at what she said during the primary election, and it's

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.720
<v Speaker 12>very clear she is a radical liberal.

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you're allowed to change your mind. But what

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 2>is going on there?

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 7>Well, she's probably auditioning for a cabinet spot.

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I would say.

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 7>If Kamala Harris wins, I mean, the Vice President said

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 7>recently that she would have a Republican into her cabinet,

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:36.720
<v Speaker 7>and I think Liz Cheney would be the perfect option

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 7>for her. She's hated Trump for a very very long time,

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 7>so it was really no surprise that she's come out

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 7>against him, and I don't think it's going to make

0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 7>any difference at all to the votes.

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>And we've got about thirty seconds left. I just want

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to get one final thought. Obviously, the next big event

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 2>is the debate. What of each candidate got to win

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and lose from that debate just in thirty seconds.

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 7>Well, look, I think all the pressure is going to

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 7>be on Donald Trump there. The media is going to

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.359
<v Speaker 7>be very inclined here to say that he lost, so

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 7>he really has to put in a sterling performance. He

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.920
<v Speaker 7>can't be too rude, but he can't be too soft,

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.399
<v Speaker 7>so I think he'd be very anxious about it. So look,

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:14.719
<v Speaker 7>I think we're all going to be watching. It's going

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 7>to be extraordinary.

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 2>TV is absolutely going to be must watch television. Adam Crichton,

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>thanks so much for your time. It's always an absolute pleasure.

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 2>To speak with you. Well, that's it from me. Sharry

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Markson will be back next week. But don't go anywhere,

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:38.720
<v Speaker 2>because coming right up is the wonderful Paul Murray