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Speaker 1: it's you, it's the Bloody You project. Ah couldn't be happier.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday. The birds are singing, the bees are buzzing,

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Speaker 1: nervous systems white as fuck up. I'm about indorphins, dopamine.

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Speaker 1: I get paid for this, Melissa. This is my actual job.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, isn't it. It's crazyiculous. Someone's gonna work it

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Speaker 1: And in the last week we had one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten thousand listeners, half a million people a month tune

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Speaker 1: into this little fucking extravaganza. What is that about?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely crazy? But hey, you keep it coming. We're loving it.

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Speaker 2: So thank you to everybody that he's listening.

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Speaker 1: Mary, my beautiful mother, everyone who most of you know.

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Speaker 1: Mary thinks I still work on the wireless. There's a

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Speaker 1: show on the wireless, bless. I've only told her forty

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Speaker 1: seven times what a fucking podcast is anyway. Georgie Coughlin

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Speaker 1: aka coggas Hi, Oh, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Cray good morning, Melissa. You're right. There's a really

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Speaker 3: There's something about I think it's because we're coming out

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Speaker 3: of our third winter of a pandemic, Craig. We are

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Speaker 1: I think there is the energy of nature and us

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Speaker 1: We're already in spring. We're in spring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say spring has sprung, but

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Speaker 1: How did you go yesterday? Cougar's? Can I call you Cougars?

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Speaker 2: I love that you're calling me Cogo's. I love that

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Speaker 1: Perfect Cogga's. How did you go yesterday with daylight savings?

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Speaker 1: Did it throw you? Or did you just slide straight in?

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Speaker 2: I just lived straight in, Craig, because you know what

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Speaker 2: better than anyone, the power of the mind. I just

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Speaker 2: I just need to sort of kid myself and maybe

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Speaker 1: What do you get anxious about? Are you an anxious

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Speaker 2: And since then I've certainly been very open on my

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Speaker 1: on is you are and think about online it's more ridiculous. Yes,

428
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: you are trying to get the approval of people who

429
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: don't fucking know you, don't love you, don't care about you,

430
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: and you're desperate to get there. What am I doing?

431
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: What is that? You know? And that's a good like pause.

432
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: It's a massive pause, and an important one because they're

433
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: not real, particularly online. They are not real connections. No,

434
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: they are not. Half the time they're bots. You're adjusting

435
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: your life and who you are for a bot and

436
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: even a human being. Sure, if I'm going to be

437
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: in the public eye, if I was going to adjust

438
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: my life when I was on the project from people

439
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: weren't happy with what I was wearing, what I was saying,

440
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: you know, how I interacted with other guests, whatever, If

441
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: I was constantly going to adjust myself. Oh shit, I

442
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: better okay, a better change for Nancy over here, and

443
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: then I'll change for Joy over here. Oh and then

444
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: Ron's not happy here.

445
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean, who the fuck am I? Nah? Did you?

446
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, because that's funny, you know.

447
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: I remember, like one lady one night was just all, hi, Georgy,

448
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: don't mean to You know when people start with I

449
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: don't mean to offend or don't.

450
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: It's like, never start something with don't take this the

451
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: wrong way, but.

452
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: And you go, well, just don't. I think someone said

453
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: to me once at a party, hate I don't, don't

454
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: don't try and take this the wrong way and I

455
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: don't mean to offend. And I said, oh, we just

456
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: don't say it there, and they just said, oh no,

457
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 2: I just wanted to. I said, no, no, no, just don't

458
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: say it, like you you clearly know you're going to

459
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 2: offend me, so don't say it. And they almost like,

460
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: couldnt not say it. They're like, oh, but it's yeah.

461
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: It's just fascinating that I see that even in social media,

462
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: and I'm so aware of it, having an eleven year old,

463
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, sweetheart, you are the boss of you. You're

464
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: the boss of your sense of self. Yeah, don't adjust yourself.

465
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: And I sort of one day it broke my heart.

466
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: She was she used to always wear her pigd haut

467
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 2: like little two little pig taels here and she went

468
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: to the start of grade six and I went to

469
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: do the little plats, sorry, two little plats? She said, no, no, no, no,

470
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: just do one at the back. And I said, why

471
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: don't you want to do the two plats anymore? And

472
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: I got it out of her that, you know, one

473
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: of the girls at school had said, you look like

474
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: a baby when you do that, and I was just like,

475
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: you know, mama line, and I said, right, so is

476
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: this same girl going to be happy with the plat

477
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: at the back? And what she's not happy with the

478
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: plat at the back? What do we do? Then we

479
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: then cut our hair? And then what if she's not

480
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: happy with that? Like, what do we do? Then we

481
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: keep changing who we are to keep someone so happy?

482
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: Or do you dance to the beat of your own

483
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: drum and know that that's what you want and it

484
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what they And obviously in that age it's

485
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: really difficult because they're trying to work out who they

486
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: are and get their try. But that message, particularly for girls,

487
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: I think, needs to be dance to the beat of

488
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: your own drum. You don't need their approval.

489
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a hard question. Right, we

490
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: all know like everyone's listening to us, most people listening

491
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: to us now except that one person. Most people are

492
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: listening to us now, going makes sense. I'm with you,

493
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Speaker 1: you know, I get that I don't need approval or

494
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't need to get my identity from others, or

495
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't need to fit into every group. But nonetheless,

496
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: there's that drive there. There's that insecurity because most of

497
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: us don't feel good enough, pretty enough, smart enough, anything enough.

498
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: So therefore we do want all that. How do we

499
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: mitigate that? Because it's one thing to say don't seek approval,

500
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: but that's like saying to in a way. One of

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: my favorites is telling a worried person don't worry. I'm like, Wow,

502
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: that's fucking groundbreaking. You know.

503
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: It's like an anxiety and someone goes just relax.

504
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, chill out. Like telling a worried person not

505
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: to worry is literally ridiculous. It's not a strategy, it's

506
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: not helpful, and if anything, they'll feel worse because if

507
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: I could just fucking turn it off, it'd be turned off.

508
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: How do we get people to that place? Because that

509
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: there's the difference between intellectually understanding what we're talking about. Like,

510
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm old as fuck and I teach this stuff and

511
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: I've written books and I'm not a dummy. I'm not

512
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: a genist, but I'm not a dummy. Am I ever insecure? Yes?

513
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Do I ever look for approval? Fuck an oath? Am

514
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: I aware it? Yes? Did my ego ever get in

515
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: the way?

516
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

517
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Only when I'm awake?

518
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: Right?

519
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: So there's all that shit that we know. But then,

520
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts around how do we self regulate

521
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: so that like none of us are Oh, I don't

522
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: think any of us are ever going to be completely

523
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: devoid of self doubt or the moment occasional moment of

524
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: self lout loathing or overthinking, or insecurity or anxiety. I

525
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's immune to that, you know, forever and

526
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: all day, every day. But how do we turn down

527
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: the volume and how do we move closer to where

528
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: we want to be?

529
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: Well? I can only talk from my truth, Mike's experience,

530
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 2: and like everyone else, I have my days that of

531
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: course you doubt yourself, and that's where your daily practice

532
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: becomes more important than ever. So my response to that

533
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: would be, you can't just say, as someone, well, don't

534
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: get their approval. It doesn't matter, of course, it doesn't

535
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: matter exactly what you're saying. Two things that just come

536
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: from my truth would be run the experiment, So try

537
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: and get the approval and see how that feels. And

538
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: when you continue to put yourself in that situation where

539
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: you're seeking the approval, what do you get at the end.

540
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Do you get wholeheartedness, fulfillment and living by your values

541
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: or do you feel empty? And my experience is, because

542
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: that's human nature, prob I'm going to definitely I should

543
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: say be doing this again while where I'll try and

544
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: get approval, I'll feel empty at the end of it.

545
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: And the reason I'll feel empty is because I'll realize

546
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: that my life or that choice or that moment is

547
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: not in alignment with my value system. So for me,

548
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: helping myself to distill my values has been really important

549
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: to me. And even at forty seven, you know, I've

550
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: got some friendships that I'm just gently releasing and letting go,

551
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: which is a really painful experience and a whole other

552
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: podcast that we could talk about. And that's because I

553
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: personally feel that when you do the work, you don't

554
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: get better than anyone, because we're no one's better than

555
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: anyone else. But when you do the work, you become

556
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: more connected to yourself, your values. For me, boundaries are

557
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: really important in friendship, and suddenly when you do the work,

558
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: there are certain boundaries that pop up and become even

559
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: more highlighted, and you go, WHOA, that's not aligning with

560
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: me anymore. If you've done so much work on yourself,

561
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: So you sometimes have to gently release those friendships. Now

562
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: that's confronting because there's part of you that's been friends

563
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: with those people for twenty years that still sort of

564
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: maybe wants their approval. You still want them to say,

565
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: I love George. She's so great, she's so non judgmental,

566
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: she just takes me as I am. But when I

567
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: did the work and I sat back in it, and

568
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: I then kept pushing myself into that approval process, and

569
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: I'd keep going and i'd visit them and i'd catch up,

570
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: I'd walk away feeling like I betrayed myself.

571
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: And so.

572
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: That betrayal feeling is not very nice. So I would

573
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: just suggest for me what's worked as run the experiment

574
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: and then when it's not aligning, that becomes so powerful.

575
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: And I think that can be in marriages, it can

576
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: be in friendships, it can be with family that becomes

577
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: so powerful and uncomfortable that then the decision is easier

578
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: to then sit back and go, you know what, this

579
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: is not working for me, and that's okay.

580
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I love it so practical. How is a forty seven

581
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: year old Georgie different from twenty seven year old Georgie.

582
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Well, that woman doesn't exist anymore, both physiologically,

583
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: as you know, which I love. I love thinking that

584
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: my body this week has completely new cells.

585
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Your brand new, You're updated, You're updated or downdated that

586
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: we look at it.

587
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: I've completely updated, like in so many ways, mentally, spiritually, physically,

588
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: through hard work, and through a lot of pain. And

589
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: so that woman doesn't exist anymore. But gosh, I have

590
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: compassion for her. I hold her in my heart and

591
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: I tell her you were doing the best you could

592
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: at that time with the tools that you had and

593
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: with your awareness at the time, and I give her

594
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: a lot of love and support, and I don't judge her,

595
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: and I often I often reflect on her a lot. Gosh,

596
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: I just feel like it was a totally different human being.

597
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of love and compassion and wisdom

598
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of work, like sitting in a lot

599
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: of pain. And that was for me the game changer.

600
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: Like when I was sort of thirty and came out

601
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: of a really toxic, bad relationship, didn't even know who

602
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: I was, to be honest, and I discovered Louise Hay

603
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: and my life changed forever when she gave me the power.

604
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: I had this lighthol moment pray when I realized that

605
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: I can't control anyone but myself and that I had

606
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: the power to heal myself. That was mind blowing for me,

607
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: mind blowing. And then I was so lucky to be

608
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: surrounded by incredible healers practitioners and they just I did

609
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: the work and it changed my life, changed my life,

610
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: and I manifested what I wanted. I was able to

611
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: write down what I had been attracted to and a

612
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: partner and why, and then I was able to manifest

613
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: what I wanted in a partner and why, and happy

614
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: to say today is my thirteen year wedding anniversary with

615
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: my darling, soul mate, best friend, growth companion, Simon and.

616
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: The anniversary dude, yeah, thank you.

617
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: And I just you know, we have such a wholehearted

618
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: relationship where we're constantly growing, pushing, growing, pushing. It's uncomfortable.

619
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: I love you, but I don't like you, and now

620
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: I love you again. But that's that's for me and

621
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: for us. That's the true definition of love is when

622
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: you're pushing yourselves to grow and evolve together as a couple.

623
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: And I think like an inevitability of life and all

624
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: the bits of life, including marriage, is that like life

625
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: is messy and unpredictable and uncertain and uncomfortable and hard

626
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: and beautiful and joyous and fucking amazing and incredible and terrifying,

627
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: and then it's lunchtime, right, Yeah, that's that's that's life.

628
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: And in the middle of it is us. Fuck, it's

629
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: trying to navigate it, going oh how do I shit?

630
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: How do I? I've told this a few times, but

631
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I spent the first three or four months of my

632
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: PhD Georgie sitting in a cubicle at Monash Neuroscience Lab,

633
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: which is called Brain Park completely feeling like the dumbest

634
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: person ever to undertake a PhD and like I just

635
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 1: definitely shouldn't be there, and it was only a matter

636
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: of time before someone tapped me on the shoulder. And

637
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: when harps, You've had a good run, you know, all

638
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you gave it a go. You're just

639
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: a next bodybuilder who rides motorbikes. Don't be silly, go home,

640
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: you know that. That's like wildly I mean depending. I

641
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: think also insecurity can be situation dependent, you know, like

642
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: in some places pretty confident, pretty calm, in other places

643
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: fuck terrified. You know, like I literally present all the

644
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: time to audiences. That's my job, right and this so

645
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: I'm you know, talking is my job. But every year

646
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: or so, when you're doing it, doing a PhD, you

647
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: have to do like a review of sorts where you

648
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: stand in front of an academic board and you have

649
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: to tell them about your research. Where you're at. You know,

650
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: you probably get it, you know what it and but

651
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: you're in front of a bunch of well some familiar people,

652
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: but they don't make the decision whether or not you

653
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: get the green light to continue. And it's like going

654
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: to court now I talk for a living. Those twenty

655
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: minutes that I have to present my research and data

656
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: and findings and justify why I shouldn't be kicked out

657
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: and why it should. I am so fucking terrified, George.

658
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm dripping like a motherfucker from the arm, like I'm

659
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: swimming in my own sweat to talk for twenty minutes. Now,

660
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: this is the guy who talk for a day to

661
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: corporates with one page of notes and has fun and

662
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: has no nerves, just excitement. But twenty minutes talking to

663
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: these boffins, it's fucking terrifying.

664
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, and it's but what

665
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: gets you through, I imagine, Craig, is your ability to connect.

666
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day, they're humans.

667
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't know not to mention your intellect and your talent,

668
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: your hard work and everything else, but when it comes

669
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: down to it, it's we are humans. It's like when

670
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: I've interviewed prime ministers and I've interviewed the biggest superstars

671
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 2: in the world, and you get that moment of going,

672
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm just sitting there next to Walid

673
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: on the project is going this manic's so smart. What

674
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: am I doing here, And all I have to do

675
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: is rely on a combination of trusting that because I've

676
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: done the work, and I've put in the hours, and

677
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: I've connected on an emotional level, all those things that matter,

678
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: all those at all one percents have led you to

679
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: that point in your life. And you've also got to

680
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: trust it.

681
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: Who's the person that you sat next to her in

682
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: front of to interview and you went, what the fuck

683
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: am I doing here? How did this happen? Well? Look

684
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the intellectually, I mean, obviously this is the pinnacle of

685
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: your media career. I mean, you've done a lot of

686
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: good shit, but you're on the project. But other than this,

687
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: other than today.

688
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: Or probably the one where I where for the first time,

689
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: I imagine you know when you've worked with a lot

690
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: of athletes, Craig, you know when they talk about that

691
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: race and the lead up to the race where everything

692
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: goes perfectly, and every decision that that athlete has made

693
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: with their diet, they're training, their sleep, their nutrition has

694
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: made sense. For me. I had that that moment when

695
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: Will Farrell walked on as Ron Burgundy project and we've

696
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: blown up to Sydney and we were doing Anchorman two,

697
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: and we were all just it was electric. We had

698
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: a live audience, we knew that Will was in the

699
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: changer and getting ready as Ron Burgundy. We had the

700
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: rest of the cast on. It was Charlie Pickering and I.

701
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 2: We had Ray Martin next to me as an anchorman

702
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: off and I still remember looking over and here comes

703
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell walking out as Ron Burgundy, and he just

704
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: looked at me and says, GEORGI and taps me on

705
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: the shoulder and I didn't stop laughing for two hours.

706
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Great.

707
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I just remember having that moment of going every decision

708
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: I've made in my career makes sense right now, right now.

709
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: That's so good.

710
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: And it was just magical. I was able to It's

711
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: like when I perform and you have that like an athlete,

712
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 2: we have those nights where you sing and it's an

713
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: out of body experience. You sort of can't remember the

714
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: night much because something bigger than you is happening. When

715
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: I've performed and I haven't even had to sort of

716
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: think about notes, I haven't even It's like the runner

717
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: that just can't remember the race. They're the nights that

718
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: are just so magical and they don't happen all the

719
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: time they're actually quite rare, and when everything is in

720
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: alignment and there's that beautiful flow.

721
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Bloody hell, I could talk to you for a long time. Shit,

722
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: why did you have to be so good?

723
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: It's so joyous though, talking to people that understand and

724
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, and so many different levels of it.

725
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: I want to be your friend, like I didn't even

726
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: give a fuck about the podcast. I wish you lived here.

727
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I want to hang.

728
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Out my friend, Craig. You can come to the farm anytime.

729
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: Well that's the other thing that excuse my ignorance. But

730
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean I knew, I always knew who you were.

731
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: I had an awareness of you, but I hadn't done

732
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: a deep dive, so I knew. Oh, didn't know you

733
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: were a farmer, didn't know your love for animals and nature.

734
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: Didn't know that you were a fucking singer. So you're

735
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: a classically trained singer, do you? And you know I

736
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: read about all the stage shows you've done, of which

737
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: there are many and lots of amazing gigs. Do you?

738
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: It is music for you? A is it? Is it

739
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: a love? Is it a passion? Is it? Is it

740
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: a thing you do to make? I'm sure it's not like,

741
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: where does that rank in all the shit that you

742
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: do these days?

743
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's been it started off, it is

744
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: my absolute passion. I think I push it to the

745
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: side as the side hustle. It was really it wasn't

746
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: that I didn't It wasn't that I lost. Someone asked

747
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: me that why haven't you been seeing why what about

748
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: all this broadcasting? And I said, well, it was really

749
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: that the broadcasting just all took off so well and

750
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: had and they were just such incredible opportunities. So when

751
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: I did the Circle and I did the Project and

752
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: I did all these great shows, it was more that

753
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: that was so fulfilling on a spiritual and a creative level,

754
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: and a particularly an emotionally intelligence level, because I really

755
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: connected with Walid and had a great relationship with my colleagues,

756
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: that singing just sort of took a bit of a

757
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: back seat, not deliberately, but like any passion and dream,

758
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: that little flame just won't go out. So about eighteen

759
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: months ago was when I made the decision to leave

760
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: project because I realized after doing the Mass Singer that

761
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: when I was on stage and that flow and that

762
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: that I just couldn't ignore it anymore. I was like this,

763
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: come on, George, if forty six gets your shit together

764
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 2: and get back into singing, So I knew I had

765
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: to jump off the cliff Quit project and immerse myself

766
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: in performing to now get back to what I really

767
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: want to do. It's just singing, performing as well as

768
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: the sidebarris as well as helping people, particularly women being

769
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: the best version of themselves with workshops at the farm

770
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: and so I really want to combine those two creative loves.

771
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: Now hang on workshops at the farm steady on tell

772
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: us about those Well, I just.

773
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Want to be able to give people that might have

774
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: the opportunity and the resources to do what they want

775
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: to do with their lives what I've been lucky enough

776
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: to do with And so we're hummy and I in

777
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: the pandemic. Running a hospitality business in the pandemic was

778
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: pretty tough, I'm going to be honest, and we decided,

779
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to go insane if we

780
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: keep looking at a restaurant that's closed and watching all

781
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: the money not coming in and just the stress of

782
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 2: running it. So we built some stables as a nice

783
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: physical I suppose outlet, and then we just got you know,

784
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: we're big. I suppose I've got a big I'm a

785
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: person that sits above things and tries to always look

786
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: at vision and I always love helping people. So we're

787
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: planning six workshops next year Brene Brown Workshops, and they'll

788
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: be based on everything from vulnerability boundaries, dare to lead

789
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Atlas of the Heart. Also want to do a lot

790
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: of work on the mother wound and the father wound,

791
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: which I'm really passionate about and looking at vision boards

792
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: and working with so with all bays with a professional psychologist.

793
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: I'll host it, but we'll have a professional psychologist there

794
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: and you come for the day on the farm and

795
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: you have a full day of psychology with an amazing

796
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: lunch in the middle. And I'm visualizing that I want

797
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: the people to lead with this incredible mental and physical

798
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: toolbox to go, oh my god, I've got the tools

799
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: to start changing my life.

800
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: Amazing. Good for you, such a good idea and such

801
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: a good space to do it. You have, I'm sure

802
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: you do. What does your spiritual philosophy look like like?

803
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: Give us the sixty second snapshot. It's different things for

804
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: different people. There's no universal definition. But what is it

805
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: for you? No pressure, No pressure, No pressure, hardest question

806
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: of the day as we're stumbling towards the finish line.

807
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: My spiritual philosophy would be to grow daily, to give back,

808
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: to always stay aligned with my intention, and I hope

809
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: is to model what it's like to be connected to

810
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: your own spirit and provide an energy that inspires other people.

811
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: Because I love the quote of people won't remember what

812
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: you did and what you achieved, but they will always

813
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: remember the way you made them feel.

814
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: I love that too, So Georgie Coglan on Insta do

815
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: you what else do you want to share? Point people towards,

816
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 1: direct them towards.

817
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: Just keep keep an eye out for these workshops. So

818
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to be putting them up soon on my Instagram.

819
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: Really exciting at the farm, not till next year, so

820
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: they'll be launching. We'll be launching them soon, but they're

821
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: aimed at the start of twenty twenty three and they're

822
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: just a beautiful introduction if you want to grow, evolve,

823
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: nourish your spirit and yourself both physically and through good

824
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: food on the farm. I think they're really going to

825
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: resonate with a lot of people. So watch this space

826
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: and yeah, we're going to be doing a lot more

827
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: singing too.

828
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: So now that we're friends, let me know when that's happening,

829
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: because we're pretty much besties, so let me know when

830
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: that's happening. And well, we've got a bunch of followers

831
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: across all our platforms and obviously lots of listeners, so

832
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: let us know and we'll give it a plug for you.

833
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Thank Georgie, your ace stay there. Will say goodbye affair.

834
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: But thanks so much for hanging out with us at

835
00:44:58,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: the U Project.

836
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. What a joyful

837
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: conversation to have. And thank you, Mel, Thank you so much.

838
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: It was such a wonderful conversation to listen to.

839
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh you're welcome, You're right crave.

840
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: We could keep talking for hours, Yeah we could. I

841
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: think we're getting your back. Thanks everyone, Love you.