1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the Real Story with Joe hild 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Abound out very special summer series with my my other half, 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 2: my hive mind, my life coach, my everything, My. 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: The only one who answered his call over the holidays. Hi, 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: Joe Hildebro, who's. 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Going to come on the show pro bono? 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm to see you. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 2: Good to see you. Sarah Harris, how are you? Hi? 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Great? 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: What a year? 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Huhh? I just I'm over it? 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Are you? 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 2: I'm over it? 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Had some high points. 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Though, just good, everyone's over it. It's twenty twenty five. 18 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: Right, right? Had some high points, didn't we do you. 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: Just run through what they were? Again? 20 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, depending on where you stand. 21 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: Politically, Oh, yes, yes, yes, no, that was good. That 22 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: was awesome, And it was awesome. I thought. My very 23 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: diplomatic position on Trump is not that he deserved to win, 24 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: but the Democrats deserve to lose. They stuffed it up 25 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: so badly, They screwed it up so badly. They gas 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: lit the American people and the world for so long 27 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: about Joe Biden's health and then put in that cob 28 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: I want to be the Nieians. Mamla, you know I 29 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: already had it planned out. If Kamala Harris won, I 30 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: was going to get back on Twitter after years of 31 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: swearing it off and saying I never would, I was 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: going to get back on Twitter and just to do 33 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: the hashtag not my mama. 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: You were already talking about the T shirts. I remember 35 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: getting some T shirts. I don't know about you, but 36 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: for me, the big turning point was that disastrous debate 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: with Joe Biden. Yes, and I remember watching the media 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: reporting that debate, and I think that was saying, you know, 39 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: Donald Trump makes lame jokes about his golfing, and da 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: da da da da. It's like he's standing across from 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: a half dead guy, and that's the angle you're taking. 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: And I think there was a real kind of wake 43 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 3: up call around there that perhaps perhaps the media hadn't 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: been too truthful with the way it had been reporting 45 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I think people were just jack of it. 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, and I think it's I 48 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: think it got to the point where it was in 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: such clear and present light, like this was no longer 50 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: just pro Trump. People putting around memes of Biden with 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 2: his eyes closed or falling asleep. 52 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: Remember at the time, Remember remember when that was happening, 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: and we would make jokes about it, and we were 54 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: told we. 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: Were but we actually suddenly it is all happening in 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: real time, not just on Fox News or Twitter or 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: truth Social or whatever. It's actually happening in a live 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: televised debate for all the world to see. And everyone's 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: seen it and gone, that's the leader of the free world. 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: And then when the usual MSNBC, CNN types start to 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: make excuses, people go, hang on a minute, no, no, no, 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: I saw, I know what I saw. And then people 63 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: started and then then there was this crazy It got 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: even crazier because then when people started to break cover, 65 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: like George Clooney, you know, came out and said, look, 66 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: I got to tell you the guy's not right. 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: He's slipping after months or saying, this guy is that 68 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: his sharpest, And. 69 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: Even then you would still have crazy democratic activists all 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: over Twitter, all over on line going that's it. George 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: Clooney is a trader. George Clooney is satan. He needs 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: to be banned from whatever, like what he banned George 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: Clooney from Lake Como, you know, But anyway, so they 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: do all this, so there's still going fell still saying 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: black is white, right up until the point you know 76 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: that the Democrats actually do the old SWITCHERU. And they've 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: waited so long that there's no one they can even 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: replace him with except Kamala Harris, who is the least 79 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: successful primary candidate in US political history, because she's the 80 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: one on the ticket and if they don't put it 81 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: to someone else on the same ticket today, all the money, 82 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: but how could you screw something up this much? I 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: don't get it. It still makes me agree. 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, how many more than a billion dollars 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 3: she raised I think in campaign. 86 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: Funds and just blew it all actually and is in 87 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars in. 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: The red as well, had the whole of Hollywood behind her. 89 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: It was a mistake supporting her. 90 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: Oh well, that's just kind of how it works, right, 91 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: but completely missed what the people, the American people were feeling. 92 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: They that's right, and they were feeling what was it, 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand dollars a year worse off than. 94 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: They Yeah, good hard working people who just want to 95 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: make a decent life for themselves and for their families. 96 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: To make their kids' lives just a little. 97 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: Bit better than theirs is right now, and they were 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: just sick of being told. I think there's been this 99 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: convergence as well of I think kind of political correctness. 100 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: Anytime that the working class complained, they were told to 101 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: shut up. They were being sexist and racist and ignorant phobic, 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: And it's like, no, I just want to be able 103 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: to feed my kid. I just want to be able to, 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: you know, put my kid through university. 105 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: I just want to be able to buy a house. 106 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: You know what. They should have fed their kids joy, 107 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: because that's what Krma Harris brought. I'm going to bring joy. 108 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 109 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: It's like I don't want joy, I want money. Yeah, 110 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: I want you know, I want my cousin to stop 111 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: taking fentanyl and stealing my college. 112 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: Jar and the non answers, I mean, she had a 113 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: golden run from the media for a good couple of 114 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: months really before they asked any hard questions of her. 115 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: It was shocking the whole scenario. How do you think 116 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 3: Trump will go? How do you think it kind of 117 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: blows my mind that he is Time Times Person of 118 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: the Year. 119 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: Ye, like another comeback, come back within a comeback. 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean that the first assassination attempt that I watched 121 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that play out on TV. It was actually my birthday. 122 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: What a present, What a present? 123 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: But it was it was fascinating to see him get up. 124 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: It was air punch fight, fight, fight, It's just that 125 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 3: that that incredible fight with the flag flying behind him, 126 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: blood across his ear. Incredible and then to sort of 127 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: hear the oh, I mean I remember speaking to her, but. 128 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: Was it really an assassination attemp? 129 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 3: That's we Actually we actually had interviewing a I was 130 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: interviewing an ex DEM strateg yeah, DEM strategist, and he 131 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: was saying that the word is it was all fake. 132 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: It that's the word. 133 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: We saw it again with our own eyes. 134 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: Put in, could you do like an academic tree ties 135 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: on that, you know, and say, you know, this was 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: all fake and then you have a little footnote one 137 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: and then you go to the footnote A the bottom 138 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: of the thing source the word. 139 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. 140 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: The Dems, of course, you don't know why they do it, because, 141 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: like when you live in an imaginary world, eventually reality 142 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: sort of catch up with you. So they're telling themselves, oh, no, 143 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: Carmela's a head, No, she's doing fine, no, this is great. 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: Everything's going fine. 145 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: You know, as if you'd ever believe a Poles ever again, 146 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: that's twice now they've been wrong. 147 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: That's right. But even if you look at and this 148 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: is the other thing I didn't get, Like, even if 149 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: you did look at the Poles, even if you looked 150 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: at say real clear politics, right and the polling average 151 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: in the battleground states, it had Trump winning. This is 152 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: the thing, Like, it didn't. It didn't pick as him 153 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: winning as much as he did. Right, So they were out, 154 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: they were wrong. But it still had Trump getting up. 155 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: It still had by far discount Remember. 156 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: It was discounting. 157 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: That's right. 158 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: It was too right wing, that's right. 159 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: And everyone's saying, oh no, but they thought that the 160 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: midterms and the so you have all these people who 161 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: think they're too smart by half. They think that they 162 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: are the educated elites and that anyone who doesn't vote 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: the way they want them to is too stupid or 164 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: quote not educated enough. Like with the Voice, Oh they 165 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: just voted with they voted no because they just went educated. 166 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: And telling people they're racist. Trust you probably won't. 167 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: Hey, you racist immigrants vote for the Voice. Because of 168 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: course it was all high immigrant multicultural suburbs that voted, 169 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: but they. 170 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: Also had an overwhelming support at the very start. 171 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: That's right, and then as soon as the campaign started, 172 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: they just drove that support into the ground because it 173 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: sounded like a bunch of stupid, smug, out of touch 174 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: cultural elites telling other people what to think. Anyway, the 175 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: exact same thing pretty much happened in the US election, 176 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: where you had elites on the East and West coast 177 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: having no idea what people in Middle America, working class 178 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: Middle America were actually experiencing and going through, and telling 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: themselves they're all going to be now again, you've got 180 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis. They're going through the same 181 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: thing over there that we're going through over here. Plus 182 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: they've got a massive OPI or crisis as well. They've 183 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: got a homelessness crisis that is just out of control 184 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: in the American major cities. And you've got Karmela talking 185 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: about bringing the joy like, what is this a tent 186 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: pole evangelist, you know, snake charming. Well, what. 187 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: I found that less galling than the constant rhetoric that 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 3: we were going to see Hitler two point zero Actually no, sorry, 189 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: that Trump is literallylin He's literally a fascist Person of 190 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: the Year Hitler. Yeah, it was so interesting in that 191 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: the latest Time magazine piece for twenty twenty four Kelly 192 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: and Conway, who was Trump's strategist in twenty sixteen, really 193 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: had an interesting insight into him. She says that he's 194 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: a complicated man with really simple but powerful ideas, when 195 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: most politicians, you know, are simple man complicated ideas. 196 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: And I think what he really he took the temperature 197 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: of the people. He took the temperature. 198 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, the cost of living, immigration, crime, that's all he 199 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: was focused on. 200 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and I think he just and he 201 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: also took it. There's a great Scottish comedian called Kevin 202 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: Bridges who basically just said Trump is just like any 203 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: old man in a pub talking about how society's gone 204 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: to the dogs, or any Glasgow taxi driver. I'll tell 205 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: you what's wrong with the world today, except unlike other politicians, 206 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Trump just has no fields. So he just takes what 207 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: he hears or takes what he senses, says right, you know, 208 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: and again I'm going to build a wall and I'm 209 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 2: going to make them pay for it, and everyone else 210 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: will just say, well, that's just crazy, that's ridiculous that 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: will never happen, and Trump just goes, who cares, he 212 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: never tried it, I'm going to I'm just going to 213 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: do it. 214 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: But he's the trust, right and this is this is 215 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: the thing. 216 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: But I don't do it. I'm just going to say 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: that I did it anyway. 218 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, because he actually didn't really. 219 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: Will the war already there anyway. 220 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, was kind of fixing up some the holes. 221 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: But he's got Susie Wiles, who was what she was 222 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: Reagan's She worked with Reagan back in the day, hugely, 223 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 3: hugely experienced political operative. 224 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: But what's going to be different this time round? 225 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: He does seem now that he's kind of got the 226 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: overwhelming will of the people to an act demandate does Yeah, 227 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: it does seem like he's karma. And I wonder if 228 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: the media, like in the States, which is pretty left 229 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 3: leaning besides Fox, will get out of his way and 230 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: let him do his job, because do you remember when 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: he was first elected, all that we heard for the 232 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: first year of his presidency was that the Russia Russia, 233 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: Russia staff, you know, the dossier that never existed, like. 234 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: That, we just forget about that, We forget about that. 235 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Whole thing. 236 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. No people again, and it 237 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: just comes to people just making up narratives to suit 238 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: their own thing, like first what they first tried to 239 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: do when he got elected last time. It saves illegitimate 240 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: because Hillary Clinton the popular vote, that's right. Then there 241 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: was all these Supreme Court injunctions to stop him doing 242 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: his Muslim immigration bands quote unquote, and again went on 243 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: and on and on and on, and then there was that again 244 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 2: hashtag not my President, which gave birth to the almost 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: was hashtag not my mamla. And and I think now 246 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: the scales have actually peeled back now it's not a fluke. Firstly, 247 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: he won the popular vote by a country mile. I 248 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: haven't checked the last numbers. It may even be a 249 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: record in US presidential history. 250 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: It certainly it would have been higher than Reagan. 251 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: No, the popular vote, the highest ever one was Biden 252 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: and the second highest was Trump in twenty twenty. Those 253 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: are the two highest popular votes. And Trump already has 254 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: got more I think, than he got last time. And 255 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: he might have picked Biden. But anyway, but point being, 256 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: there's no excuses anymore. He won all seven swing states, 257 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: He won the Senate won the House of Representatives, he's 258 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: won the White House, and for good measure, I think 259 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: he won the majority of governorships that were up for elections. 260 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: So we are talking in absolute clean. 261 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: There was a huge launch to lurch to the right 262 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 3: because people are just desperate for change. 263 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: That's right. I think the left doesn't realize how repellent 264 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: it looks. And I say, this is someone who is 265 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: you know, I'm a labor guy. I am of the 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: center left. But you look at people in Australia, you know, 267 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: the Greens and the Teal say, and you look at 268 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: the similar types of people who are infiltrating the Democrats 269 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: in the US, and these people just look pretentious. They 270 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: look they look snooty. They look like they're looking down 271 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: on people and talking down to people. And when you 272 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: come from you know, when you come from a working 273 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: class background, or might so I come from a welfare 274 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: class background, we aspired to be working class. Yeah, you 275 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: feel that. You know that it's like a dog sniffing 276 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: the aliens and barking before the humans know what's happening. 277 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, when people are talking down to you and 278 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 2: saying they know it's better for you, and people hate it, 279 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: and they hate it when you're talking about other things 280 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: and not talking about what you are going through. So 281 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: when people talk and again I'm all in on climate change, 282 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: I completely believe in it. But when that's all people talk 283 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 2: about and say, this is the biggest crisis facing America 284 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: right now and we have to do something about it 285 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: and sacrifice anything else to fix this problem, and you're 286 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: there and you're going backwards and you think you're going 287 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: to lose the House that is going to piss you off, 288 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: and you're going to vote for anyone except that person. 289 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's like having this kind of. 290 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: You know, the thought about democracy was a very big 291 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: topic of debate during the election. It feels like a 292 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 3: bit of a pie in the sky issue when you're 293 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: living day to day, well actually not living, you're surviving 294 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: day to day, and you just want that fixed. One 295 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: thing for America to have Trump in all first, But 296 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: what does it mean for us? I mean, there's a 297 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 3: lot of talk about tariffs. 298 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: Now, I think the thing I. 299 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: Think the I mean, I mean Biden kept all of 300 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: the tariffs that that Donald Trump sixteen, Well he did, 301 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: actually he lifted a couple to one hundred percent. 302 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: China that's right. 303 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: And again Trump's whole thing is I mean, first of 304 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: people go on about the threat to democracy thing, He's 305 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: not a threat to democracy. He January sixth was appalling 306 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: and terrible and it was an awful thing for him 307 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: to do. But the White House didn't fall, the transition 308 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: of power took place, and the people who died were 309 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly the idiot protesters who sawmed the capital. So so 310 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: the the real thing that you have to understand this, 311 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: and this again speaks to the sort of snobbery and 312 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: out of touchness of the people who are trying to 313 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: gauge Trump and get a feel from the guy. He's Hitler. 314 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: He's hit He's Hitler. No, he's not. He's Vince McMahon, 315 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: he's WWE. This guy is show business, he's a showman. 316 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: He's put You know, they went on about the Madison 317 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 2: Square Garden thing. You know that it's just like a 318 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: Nazi rally. So no, it's like a wrestling match. 319 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And they didn't know because they'd never been Donald 320 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: Trump was literally a character in WWE. He was his 321 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: own character as himself in professional wrestling. It's all right 322 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: there in front of them. But because they're going out 323 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: and having you know, watercress sandwiches and kale salads or 324 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 4: whatever it is that posh people eat. They're just they're 325 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: just not aware of this world at all. They just 326 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: don't recognize it. Whereas everyone in Middle America goes right, yep, 327 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 4: got it. I know that guy. He's the good character 328 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: who gets in the ring, close lines the bad guy 329 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: and then everything's okay. I mean, he had vincem did't 330 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: have Vincement Mar's wife actually working on his campaign. 331 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: He's kind of smart, like a fox, and that you 332 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: never know which way he's going to go right. And 333 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: I just wonder if Kevin Rudd, you're old mate, yes, 334 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: is the right ambassador to the US to have. 335 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: I think I think it will be fun because again 336 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: people say, oh, Donald Trump's so dangerous. He says he's 337 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: going to do all these things. But you have to 338 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: once you see it purely from a wrestling, professional wrestling perspective, 339 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: you get it right. Donald Trump is the guy says 340 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: in the ring, says I'm gonna take that guy. I'm 341 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: going to pick him upside down, I'm going to throw him, 342 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to build him with a chair. He'll be 343 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: crying for his mommy, and then when he begs me 344 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: to stop, I'm going to smash him again. All right, 345 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: And it's all choreographed, it's all theater, and it's all 346 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: just so the audience you're secure that the right guy 347 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: is gonna win, or if it's the bad guy talking 348 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: up the big game, that they're going to get what's 349 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 2: coming to them. Right. And so Donald Trump talks up 350 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: this stuff like Tariff's on China, talks up this. You know, 351 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: Kevin Rud I heard he was a nasty guy or 352 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: whatever it is, you know, but he's not going to 353 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: do anything in Australia can't with through it. We can't 354 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: let America tell us what to do. We're just leave 355 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: him there. And again, Trump will cop anyone who just 356 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: says sorry. Now sorry will be a very hard word 357 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: for Kevin Rudd to say. But if he pays him 358 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 2: due respect. I mean, he. 359 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: Doesn't play golf, which kind of sucks for Rudd. But 360 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: I wonder if he can do the YMCA dance. 361 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: I wonder if Donald Trump plays handball. Anyway, I think 362 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: we solved all the world's problems. Part two. Trump, There 363 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: you go. Everything you need to know about the Great Man, 364 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: the Orange. 365 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: Man, Orange Man bad. 366 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: Orange Man good at least Orange Man fun. 367 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: He's definitely fun. He's definitely funny. See how the next 368 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: four years pans out. 369 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: I hope we're here to find out. I think therese 370 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: last four years on the booking views. That's all we 371 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 2: have time for this week. 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