Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this?
Speaker 3: Isn't a fan of my kissing style.
Speaker 1: With boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in
Speaker 1: a trash bin. He's non recyclable, catching him.
Speaker 3: Mut I loved being love. I love love.
Speaker 1: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
Speaker 1: super excited to welcome to the studio Matt hay Or,
Speaker 1: as he is better known Alright.
Speaker 3: Hey. Matt is a podcaster, comedian, entertainer, and self confess
Speaker 3: glamors on.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to ask him about his tall, his podcast,
Speaker 1: how he comes up with his content for TikTok and Instagram,
Speaker 1: and what he has planned for the future.
Speaker 3: Stick around to hear some of these hilarious stories.
Speaker 1: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 1: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 3: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 3: intimate details, advice, much more.
Speaker 1: Hey Matt, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I met you, actually was it last year? I can't
Speaker 1: even remember. The yous just kind of like muddled together
Speaker 1: at the moment we did the Master Chef event together
Speaker 1: and I met you there and I thought you were
Speaker 1: so funny. I was like, this guy is amazing.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you are so right about everything, just
Speaker 4: mushing together. I tried to find a photo from that day,
Speaker 4: from that shot that we did, and I felt like
Speaker 4: I was scrolling on my camera role and years to
Speaker 4: try and figure out when that was. Yeah, time is
Speaker 4: just a blur these days. There's so much going on.
Speaker 4: But it was so fun and yeah, I loved meeting
Speaker 4: you too. It was it was. It was a great day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Well I have to ask you, Matt. I went on
Speaker 3: Instagram to do some research on you, obviously because you're
Speaker 3: coming onto the podcast, but I can find you. Have
Speaker 3: you blocked me?
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 4: I mean I mean maybe I've look a lot of
Speaker 4: straight men, so it's very very Usually after I sleep
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 3: It's very Is that what happened? I don't literally, because
Speaker 3: what happened? Anna sent me some sent me.
Speaker 1: I sent that some funny clips of you, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't see them.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, So I was like.
Speaker 2: I've got your right here? Is that you?
Speaker 1: That's they go.
Speaker 3: We genuinely like, look, that's yeah. But then look at
Speaker 3: mine it says not available. Your stuff's not available.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Oh that's not good. I don't know why. Maybe I'm
Speaker 4: like shadow band at the moment.
Speaker 3: No, like, yeah, everyone else around you, my burner account
Speaker 3: could find you, but that actual account.
Speaker 1: That's input on the blocklist.
Speaker 3: Yeah wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Before we before together on here, I was like, Anna,
Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should and being on this one,
Speaker 3: maybe you take this one. I think he's got it.
Speaker 3: I'm not welcome here.
Speaker 4: No, that's actually that is actually a mystery. That's a
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory because no, definitely haven't blocked you. So I
Speaker 4: don't know what's happened there. But maybe if maybe if
Speaker 4: I follow you, it all all work.
Speaker 1: DMS and see what happens that wants to be friends,
Speaker 1: I will do.
Speaker 4: Did you I followed you? Now check what happened. See
Speaker 4: if it comes up nothing, Well, maybe you've blocked me?
Speaker 3: No, like did I? I was like, why would I
Speaker 3: block him? I was like, And then I went through
Speaker 3: my block list and you weren't there. I was. I
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4: It's a Mysteryna and I you might have blocked me
Speaker 4: because NNA and I hit it off on that day
Speaker 4: at Master Chef. We had such a good time together
Speaker 4: and you were just so down to earth and so
Speaker 4: fabulous and so funny and out of everyone there, like
Speaker 4: we probably like connected the best.
Speaker 2: Like I was like, yeah, she's a cool chick.
Speaker 4: So, Matt, you probably got jealous and saw me on
Speaker 4: the stories and blocked me.
Speaker 3: Going to take the spot.
Speaker 1: I'm the only man in Anna's life.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's fine. That's an confusing one, huh.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, because your outfits are just
Speaker 1: so fabulous, who is your style icon for me?
Speaker 4: It because it's probably like I take a lot of
Speaker 4: inspiration and always have throughout my life from.
Speaker 2: Specifically Lady Gaga.
Speaker 4: I feel like she very much changed the game in
Speaker 4: terms of fashion in the music industry. We all know
Speaker 4: like before her, everyone was wearing jeans on a red
Speaker 4: carpet and then Lady Gaga comes out in an egg
Speaker 4: and everyone's like, we need to top this. And so
Speaker 4: Lady Gaga when I was younger, was definitely my style icon.
Speaker 2: I feel like these days, I don't really have to
Speaker 2: much of a style icon.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've found my own style in a way,
Speaker 4: and I know exactly like what looks flattering on my
Speaker 4: body and exactly what works. And that's kind of what
Speaker 4: I run with. And I get my outfits for my
Speaker 4: shows and things and big, big things like that master
Speaker 4: Chef's shoot, that dress that I wore with all the
Speaker 4: sunglasses on it. I get all of those custom made
Speaker 4: because one as a fat and fabulous person. As someone
Speaker 4: who is fat, like, it's harder for me to shop obviously,
Speaker 4: because not one size doesn't fit all, and so getting
Speaker 4: something custom made, just like you know, getting it measured
Speaker 4: to my proportions and things like that and making it
Speaker 4: fit like a glove is something that I started doing
Speaker 4: last year and it's absolutely changed everything.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've found my own style in
Speaker 2: that totally.
Speaker 1: I reckon that you're a lot of people's style icons.
Speaker 3: I was about to say that, yeah, yeah, probably yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of your show, you are on tour at the moment.
Speaker 1: You do stand up comedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I don't know whether I do stand up comedy,
Speaker 4: but I do a comedy show. Look, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I'm on tour right now. I'm in Adelaide,
Speaker 4: Adelaide Fringe. Oh my goodness, Sol, I'm so tired it's
Speaker 4: only a half an hour time difference from Sydney.
Speaker 2: I feel jet lagged. Jet lagged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did get the timing wrong for this. You
Speaker 3: might mention that you were coming.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard later.
Speaker 2: I know, it's only just hit.
Speaker 4: We were meant to start recording at eleven o'clock it's
Speaker 4: only just hit eleven o'clock now.
Speaker 2: I only woke up a tenth.
Speaker 3: So you're not late.
Speaker 2: No, exactly right.
Speaker 4: I actually was early as far as early, but I
Speaker 4: don't call them stand up comedy shows because they're not.
Speaker 4: They're very much tailored to my following. Obviously, a lot
Speaker 4: of people who are coming to the shows I've been
Speaker 4: I've been doing social media and stuff for about eight
Speaker 4: years now, and a lot of the people who are
Speaker 4: coming to my shows and people who are follow me
Speaker 4: for a very long time, they kind of know my
Speaker 4: story and they know the ins and outs, and so
Speaker 4: it's very much tailored to them. And there's personal jokes
Speaker 4: about my journey, like talking about fashion and fashion icons
Speaker 4: as a whole section in the show about how when
Speaker 4: I was first starting out, I was kind of like
Speaker 4: too poor to buy any outfits for a red carpet
Speaker 4: and I wasn't famous enough that people wanted to dress me,
Speaker 4: and so I had to make my own outfits, like
Speaker 4: go down to Kma and Spotlight and Bummings and buy
Speaker 4: all these things and then put them all on an
Speaker 4: outfit and walk the red carpet. Look at a million bucks,
Speaker 4: but like for twenty two dollars fifty, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I tell a.
Speaker 4: Lot of stories like that and stories from throughout my life,
Speaker 4: and it's very much tailored to my audience. Look, it's
Speaker 4: a funny show. Everybody laughs. But is it stand up comedy?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I'm having a bloody good time
Speaker 4: doing it whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Do you have any any advice to anyone that's wanting
Speaker 3: to get into the stand up it's not stand by
Speaker 3: the stay entertainment. Yeah, the stand up world. Who wants
Speaker 3: to get up on stage and tell jokes to people
Speaker 3: make them laugh, Well.
Speaker 2: I have some advice.
Speaker 4: But also the way that I kind of fell into
Speaker 4: it was kind of weird and kind of random, because
Speaker 4: you know, for most people, if you want to start
Speaker 4: in comedy, you find your local comedy club, and there's
Speaker 4: plenty of them in major cities. I don't know about
Speaker 4: like smaller regional places, but in major cities there's all
Speaker 4: these hidden like comedy bars and just on a Tuesday,
Speaker 4: they just have like open mic nights. And look, when
Speaker 4: I started, I did a lot of research and like
Speaker 4: just just sat there and pretty much watched people over
Speaker 4: and over and over it and kind of picked up
Speaker 4: on different things, because I mean, stand up comedy kind
Speaker 4: of is like an art form in that you have
Speaker 4: to talk a certain way or put a certain things in,
Speaker 4: and you have to know when to pause to let
Speaker 4: the audience know it's okay to laugh, and it's all
Speaker 4: very structured. It's it's kind of funny how it all works.
Speaker 4: And so I watched a lot of Joan Rivers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love Joan Rivers, and she definitely isn't my style
Speaker 4: of comedy.
Speaker 2: She was much worse.
Speaker 4: She got away with a lot of things that I
Speaker 4: could never say, but she was really hilarious. And I
Speaker 4: kind of watched how because I feel like for her,
Speaker 4: she's one of the greatest comics of all time. And
Speaker 4: the way that an audience just watched Joan Rivers and
Speaker 4: was so enthralled by her and no matter what she said,
Speaker 4: they were laughing at. That's really kind of like what
Speaker 4: I what I want from That's what everybody wants from
Speaker 4: an audience if you want to do comedy. So yeah,
Speaker 4: if you're starting out, go to those small little comedy
Speaker 4: bars and things like that. They do open mark nights
Speaker 4: where anyone can get on stage and have a go
Speaker 4: and see how it goes. For me, I have to
Speaker 4: say though, I never did that. I just kind of
Speaker 4: blew up on social media and then I was approached
Speaker 4: by my tour manager and he was like, hey, you
Speaker 4: should do live shows, ding ding ding money, money money,
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, right, I.
Speaker 3: Let's do it before your first one. Then obviously if
Speaker 3: you hadn't.
Speaker 2: My god and I still get nerve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they reckon. Once you stop getting nervous, it means
Speaker 3: you don't care, so it's probably a good time. Yeah nervous, Okay.
Speaker 4: Well I the very first time, here we go. We'll
Speaker 4: take you through it. The first night that I did,
Speaker 4: I did a comedy show. It was at Sydney Comedy
Speaker 4: Festival and this was last year and I thought, you.
Speaker 2: Know, this is my first time doing a show, so
Speaker 2: I didn't really know how it works.
Speaker 4: So I did a full glam moment like bold blue
Speaker 4: and black smoky eye.
Speaker 2: I had like three or four vodka Red.
Speaker 4: Bulls beforehand to pop myself up, and then when I
Speaker 4: got on stage, I was so sweaty from the alcohol
Speaker 4: and the hot lights that my makeup started melting down
Speaker 4: my face and I was just crying.
Speaker 2: Black and blue mascara all down my neck.
Speaker 4: I remember getting on stage looking in the mirror and
Speaker 4: it's like gone down my neck into my dress.
Speaker 2: And I learnt very quickly no alcohol before my show.
Speaker 4: So I now do not have a drop of alcohol
Speaker 4: before my shows because that obviously makes you a little
Speaker 4: bit warmer.
Speaker 2: And also my.
Speaker 4: Makeup that I now do is very very basic because
Speaker 4: I don't want to have any mishaps with the sweat
Speaker 4: and things like that. And I've learned along the way.
Speaker 4: I now have a towel on stage so that I
Speaker 4: can dab my forehead if I am getting sweaty. I
Speaker 4: have like a water I have, you know, show notes
Speaker 4: and things like that. So because I am still learning,
Speaker 4: like I think in Adelaide, this is only my like five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,
Speaker 4: Like last night was only my tenth show ever. Tomorrow, yeah,
Speaker 4: tonight it will be my eleventh. So it's only my
Speaker 4: eleventh time on stage doing this.
Speaker 1: You're so confident. I mean, we were watching the pinned
Speaker 1: video on your socials, the famous video of you pretending
Speaker 1: to be in jail with the soap bar I'm bending down.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny, Like I reckon, I've watched it
Speaker 1: like twenty times. It's so hilarious. I was like, look
Speaker 1: at this, it's hilarious.
Speaker 3: I obviously haven't seen it for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm like so out of like that joke and how
Speaker 4: well that did on social media.
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really glad. How do you think of your material? Then?
Speaker 3: How how does it come to you? Do you like brainstorm?
Speaker 3: Do you take a sexual joke?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean for me, it was a really long process.
Speaker 4: I really struggled last year with writing the show. The
Speaker 4: fun fact is actually before the pandemic, we did plan
Speaker 4: to do one show and then the pandemic hit, so
Speaker 4: we had to cancel that, give everybody back their money.
Speaker 4: And then two years later we put on six shows
Speaker 4: in Sydney that sold out. So that's just the showing
Speaker 4: the growth that I had during the pandemic. Demic on
Speaker 4: social media. And for me, I had been writing the
Speaker 4: show since twenty nineteen in a way, and so I
Speaker 4: kind of knew what I wanted to do, and then
Speaker 4: when I sat down and wrote it, it's very much
Speaker 4: I already knew what I wanted to do with my
Speaker 4: I wanted to make them very cohesive, have a start,
Speaker 4: a middle, and an end, also have a bit of
Speaker 4: a message to the show as well. And so I guess,
Speaker 4: I guess I can talk about that because the show's over.
Speaker 4: This is the last time I'm ever going to do
Speaker 4: these shows in Adelaide. Because basically the theme of the
Speaker 4: show is fake it till you make it, and I
Speaker 4: tell these stories from throughout my life of times I
Speaker 4: faked it, like going back to the Arias and making
Speaker 4: my own outfit that looks a.
Speaker 2: Million bucks, but it cost me twenty bucks.
Speaker 4: You know, And so all these stories throughout my life
Speaker 4: of times I had to use this fake it till
Speaker 4: you make it method. And then at the end, I
Speaker 4: kind of say, you know, during the pandemic, I had
Speaker 4: this moment to myself, which is all true, that I
Speaker 4: really had this this kind of epiphany, this out of
Speaker 4: body experience, whatever you want to call it where I
Speaker 4: kind of looked at this fake it till you make
Speaker 4: it method that I've been using my whole life, and
Speaker 4: I was like, where's it gotten me.
Speaker 2: It's gotten me nowhere, you know.
Speaker 4: And so from that day forward, I decided to live
Speaker 4: authentically and be authentically myself. And then it's funny, how
Speaker 4: like my life's done a one eighties since then, and
Speaker 4: suddenly all these new opportunities and fabulous things are happening,
Speaker 4: and you know, you have like this little message in
Speaker 4: the show, which is like, once you stop faking it,
Speaker 4: that's when you start to make it.
Speaker 2: Wow, because I really believe that.
Speaker 4: That's like what happened in my life is like once
Speaker 4: I started being authentic, that's when people connected with me.
Speaker 4: And that's when I started to really kill it on
Speaker 4: social media. And so yeah, there's like a whole kind
Speaker 4: of storyline to the show, and it's not all serious.
Speaker 2: It's very funny. There's a lots of things that go
Speaker 2: wrong and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But writing the show is definitely one of the hardest
Speaker 4: things I've ever done, especially just trying to cut it down.
Speaker 4: I had so much content, but you're only allowed to
Speaker 4: be on stage for like an hour tops, and so
Speaker 4: your show needs to be about forty five minutes to
Speaker 4: allow for all things going wrong or chatter with the
Speaker 4: audience or whatever, and so condensing it down was so hard.
Speaker 2: But I will say that this time.
Speaker 4: Around the new tour, fat and fabulous it is. I
Speaker 4: definitely am like, there's no issue with keeping that short
Speaker 4: and sweet. Like I now know how it works.
Speaker 2: It's all good. I can keep it short and sweet.
Speaker 3: You said a lot of the audience are your following base,
Speaker 3: So do you get any hecklers or are they just like.
Speaker 4: Well, I say at the start of the show, like,
Speaker 4: if you don't like the show, I don't want to
Speaker 4: hear about it, you know, And I say, you know,
Speaker 4: if you don't like the show, we are welcome to
Speaker 4: get up and leave.
Speaker 2: I literally couldn't give a shit.
Speaker 4: I've already spent your money, you're not getting a refund.
Speaker 2: You're not getting a refund, So doesn't.
Speaker 4: Bother me, you know, I get up and leaveter ill
Speaker 4: still get paid at the end of the day. So
Speaker 4: it's about, you know, just controlling your audience in a
Speaker 4: way to kind of set that boundary and say I
Speaker 4: don't want to hear your opinion. I couldn't give a shit.
Speaker 4: You're here to watch me, you know, And it becomes
Speaker 4: a funny joke in the show as well. I have
Speaker 4: had a few people yell out and I just say
Speaker 4: things like, excuse me, darling, it's my show, not yours.
Speaker 3: You know on that anyone walk out, well.
Speaker 2: I haven't noticed them. If they have, but I mean
Speaker 2: maybe I.
Speaker 3: Was going to say they're walking out, doesn't.
Speaker 4: Make Yeah, I don't know, like I've never had anyone
Speaker 4: walk out that I've noticed, but I mean potentially some
Speaker 4: people have.
Speaker 1: We had someone walk out of our live show. We
Speaker 1: did a live show. It was this this guy who
Speaker 1: was told that our show was a strip show. So
Speaker 1: he we got on stage. She was expecting Matt and
Speaker 1: I to be naked. Ten minutes in, he realized it
Speaker 1: wasn't happening anytime soon because we were having a little
Speaker 1: chat and he rolled on out.
Speaker 3: This scene the oldest man front row as well.
Speaker 2: Well, it takes wears your head out to a whole
Speaker 2: new level.
Speaker 1: Well that's what we're saying that he was expecting a
Speaker 1: different type of head. Has there been a moment speaking
Speaker 1: of faking it till you make it? Has there been
Speaker 1: a moment where you've thought, fuck, I've really made it here.
Speaker 4: Well, I talk about that in the show as well,
Speaker 4: because it's kind of funny. I say, like, that's when
Speaker 4: you start to make it, and you know, everyone usually
Speaker 4: collaps and goes WHOA when I go, well, hang on, Dale,
Speaker 4: I'm not there yet, Like I'm playing to one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty people in a dingy venue in the middle
Speaker 4: of so and so, you know, wait till i've someone
Speaker 4: out of stadium.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 4: And so even when you know you pretend that you've
Speaker 4: made it, you still got to take the piss out
Speaker 4: of you a little bit, because no one wants to
Speaker 4: go to a comedy show and hear an inspirational story. Really.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, Like I mean, there's been times throughout my life
Speaker 4: that I definitely have like pinched me moments, But I
Speaker 4: don't know whether I've had a moment where I've gone old, MG,
Speaker 4: I've made it. I feel like that that moment is
Speaker 4: probably coming in the next couple of years. There's been
Speaker 4: some exciting conversations happening over the last few months and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So you know, I have my career goals I have
Speaker 4: my career things that I'm manifesting, and hopefully when I
Speaker 4: take a few of those off, I'll be able to
Speaker 4: say I could make it. But then again, does anyone
Speaker 4: ever really make it? Because I feel like we can
Speaker 4: have everything we want and say we've made it, and
Speaker 4: we still want more.
Speaker 2: So maybe it's a case of.
Speaker 3: That talk about that that you need to stop sometimes
Speaker 3: and maybe like smell the roses because we're always thinking about, like,
Speaker 3: what's the next.
Speaker 1: Thing that celebrate the small weird And I guess like
Speaker 1: the goal is always happiness over anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is what we do. Yeah, but then money is
Speaker 3: good and killing to the top is fun as well.
Speaker 4: But also I feel like I've accepted my fate that
Speaker 4: I'll never be at the top.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Like, I think you've got
Speaker 2: to be realistic about it as well.
Speaker 3: I'll see you up there.
Speaker 1: You'll only get unblocked when you're at the very start.
Speaker 1: You have your own podcast, Can you tell us a
Speaker 1: bit about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called trash Alley.
Speaker 4: It's a Spotify original podcast, which is so exciting because
Speaker 4: the only other people that I know who have Spotify
Speaker 4: original podcasts are Kim Kardashian and Megan Markle. I mean,
Speaker 4: Spotify has clearly put us all in the same boat,
Speaker 4: which I agree. It's a pop culture podcast, so we
Speaker 4: kind of talk about like what's in the news and
Speaker 4: things like that, and then it's also storytelling about our
Speaker 4: own lives as well, So you know, I like to
Speaker 4: sum it up like for anyone who's never listened before,
Speaker 4: trash Alley is kind of like what you talk about
Speaker 4: in a smokers area at a nightclub, which is what
Speaker 4: it's named after. Trash Alley is what the smoking section
Speaker 4: at Arc Sydney, which is a big gay nightclub on
Speaker 4: Oxford Street.
Speaker 2: That's what it's.
Speaker 3: That's what we call solving some world problems.
Speaker 4: Then yeah, yeah, well, I mean we get into all
Speaker 4: the conspiracy theories, we get into all of the everything.
Speaker 4: So it's a it's a podcast full of everything. But yeah, basically,
Speaker 4: I like to describe it as in like imagine, basically,
Speaker 4: you know, Ariana Grande releases a new song, and so
Speaker 4: in our episode, we go, Ariana Grande has released a
Speaker 4: new song. It's called break Up with Your Boyfriend, and
Speaker 4: then we talk about the song, and then we go,
Speaker 4: let's tell you about our worst breakup, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. So it's like we use pop culture to
Speaker 4: tell stories and things like that, and it's really fun.
Speaker 4: We are on a long hiatus right now. It's been
Speaker 4: a long hiatus. We finished up at the end of
Speaker 4: last year and then in January my granddad passed away
Speaker 4: and that was a really difficult time for me and
Speaker 4: I just needed some time to process. And it was
Speaker 4: full on, which is sad. And then Sydney World Pride happened,
Speaker 4: which was then the other end of the spectrum, the
Speaker 4: happiest time of my life. I felt like I was
Speaker 4: at Disneyland every day and so it's been an emotional rollercoaster.
Speaker 4: I was very busy over Sidney World Pride, and then
Speaker 4: of course now I have my shows in Adelaide, and
Speaker 4: so it's just been a very busy time and we're
Speaker 4: hoping to work out everybody's schedules and come back as
Speaker 4: soon as we can.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Talk about Sydney World Pride.
Speaker 1: Then, yeah, how was it? What happened?
Speaker 3: Sign at the back end of it, and like I
Speaker 3: didn't realize how full on it is there, like how
Speaker 3: much Sydney gets involved.
Speaker 1: It was a lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, andwhere I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone realizes that how full on
Speaker 4: it was going to be. Well, usually, you see, we
Speaker 4: just have Marti Gras, which is totally different. So we
Speaker 4: have Marti Gras, which is our Pride season, happens every
Speaker 4: year for about two and a bit weeks in Sydney,
Speaker 4: and we have obviously everybody knows the Mardi Gras Parade,
Speaker 4: but people probably like a lot of people, don't know
Speaker 4: that that's actually a seventeen day festival where things are
Speaker 4: happening every day and I mean thousands of events are
Speaker 4: happening every single day and just everything you can imagine everywhere,
Speaker 4: and so it's actually a two and a bit week celebration.
Speaker 4: But everybody just knows the Mardi Gras Parade because that's
Speaker 4: pretty much what's on TV. And so this year we
Speaker 4: hosted World Pride, which is very much like the Olympics.
Speaker 4: You bid to world you bid to host World Pride.
Speaker 4: We bid a few years ago, we won the bid
Speaker 4: and you know, it brings so unfortunately we won it
Speaker 4: I think before COVID and then COVID hit and so
Speaker 4: it's usually like a very big investment because it just
Speaker 4: brings so much tourism to Australia, and look it did,
Speaker 4: but I don't think it really hit as well as
Speaker 4: they thought it was going to because a lot of
Speaker 4: people didn't travel after the pandemic, and I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: everything that's going on in the world right now, but
Speaker 4: there were still a lot of people who came over.
Speaker 2: And obviously people came over from all over Australia.
Speaker 4: I heard that, I did hear, and I don't don't
Speaker 4: quote me on this, but I think that they had
Speaker 4: more travelers like from Australia than international, which is like
Speaker 4: really good to see that, like Australia came out to
Speaker 4: support World Pride. But I will say that, you know,
Speaker 4: when you're in Sydney around World Pride, and as you
Speaker 4: were saying, they really get stuck into it, Well, they
Speaker 4: don't get stuck into it every year. It's just that
Speaker 4: this year was Weld Pride, and like the city of
Speaker 4: Sydney and you know, councils and things could get on board.
Speaker 4: So you were having World Pride events. Instead of just
Speaker 4: having World Pride events in the heart of Sydney. Sorry
Speaker 4: mrighty Guarre events in the heart of Sydney, you were
Speaker 4: now having World Pride, So your World Pride events were
Speaker 4: like out in Paramatta and all over the shop and
Speaker 4: everywhere Northern Beaches, you know, just all over Sydney, and
Speaker 4: it became like a whole city.
Speaker 2: Thing, and so it was huge. It was really big,
Speaker 2: and it was so exhausting.
Speaker 4: I was running on like an alternation of red Bull
Speaker 4: and sleeping pills, like just trying to keep my body
Speaker 4: going for the whole seventeen days. And of course it
Speaker 4: was seventeen days, but like two weeks before that that's
Speaker 4: when all the brands want to work with you on
Speaker 4: social media in the lead up, and so it was
Speaker 4: like five weeks.
Speaker 2: So I've never worked so hard in my life.
Speaker 4: It was so worth it. I had a great time.
Speaker 4: I got to see Kylie Minogue, who is my favorite
Speaker 4: human being in the entire world. That was probably my highlight.
Speaker 2: And it was just nice to be gay.
Speaker 4: But you know what, I definitely came out of it
Speaker 4: being like I am homophobic. I had enough of gay, babe,
Speaker 4: I've had enough people. I need to take a break.
Speaker 4: I would like, get me into a pub.
Speaker 3: I need to be That's not my friend said the
Speaker 3: same thing. I was like, how was how's Pride week
Speaker 3: or Pride months, and he was like, I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm gay anymore.
Speaker 4: It was that was that overwhelming feeling was around because
Speaker 4: we've gone so hard and now we're like, oh my God,
Speaker 4: give me a wife and kids.
Speaker 1: Was there any like fun stories that you can tell
Speaker 1: us from Pride, anything wild happened, any juicy goss?
Speaker 4: Sure there was really for me because I chose to
Speaker 4: work this well Pride.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Let me let me be honest with yes. And this
Speaker 4: is the thing, like when it comes to brands wanting
Speaker 4: to work with queer people during Pride season, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a bit nath So I was like, well, if
Speaker 4: they want to work with me, and you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to charge through the roof, I'm going to make
Speaker 4: as much money as like, absolutely, and I'm not doing
Speaker 4: anything I don't want to turn and I'm not working
Speaker 4: for free.
Speaker 2: I'm not working for free at all.
Speaker 4: And so I didn't and it was amazing. It was
Speaker 4: a lot of work, and all my morals and rules
Speaker 4: still came into effect. Obviously, I still didn't work with
Speaker 4: brands as always that I don't want to work with
Speaker 4: or don't use their products. I don't love the product.
Speaker 4: But every brand I worked with, I was like, well, yeah.
Speaker 2: But you can.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna charge double my raids sometimes triple because it's
Speaker 4: Pride season and queer people deserve to be paid. And
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe actually the amount of people or the
Speaker 4: amount of brands sorry that reached out and just wanted
Speaker 4: things for free. And what was disappointing is then I
Speaker 4: saw people, you know, do the free shit, and I
Speaker 4: was kind of like, come on everyone, like if we're
Speaker 4: not all in this together, then it's not gonna work.
Speaker 4: And there were some really big brands who contacted me
Speaker 4: to do things and I was like, wow, this is
Speaker 4: an amazing opportunity, like cool, I'm ready, and then when
Speaker 4: it got down to it, they had, oh, it's no budget,
Speaker 4: we don't have any budget.
Speaker 2: What do you mean you don't have budget?
Speaker 4: Then you can't work with this, And then to see
Speaker 4: other people work with them, I was kind of like,
Speaker 4: why are you doing this for like a bottle of
Speaker 4: wine and a packet of cookies, like you know, but
Speaker 4: in terms of like crazy stories, well Pride, like no,
Speaker 4: because I was working so hard and working so much
Speaker 4: that I didn't really have time to like, let my
Speaker 4: hair down and actually like truly enjoy myself and have fun. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I can't come through with the tea on
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: Usually I've got all the I've got all the tea,
Speaker 2: oh the hot gud. Yeah, not this year. I was
Speaker 2: too busy being a boss boss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. What is your relationship status at the moment?
Speaker 2: I am divorced.
Speaker 4: I'm in a relationship with my partner, Skyla. We've been
Speaker 4: together four years, four years coming up in August, and
Speaker 4: we're definitely gonna get married.
Speaker 2: Like he's the one, I'm the one for him. We
Speaker 2: just like know that.
Speaker 4: It's like one of those when you know, you know
Speaker 4: situations and we just know. We moved in together like
Speaker 4: a year ago or so. It's been perfect. It's just
Speaker 4: that relationship. We never had a fight. We've never Nah,
Speaker 4: it's so weird. It's so weird. But I really think
Speaker 4: the pandemic helped because we were dating for six months
Speaker 4: and then went into the pandemic. So then we were
Speaker 4: kind of forced to spend a lot of time together
Speaker 4: because you know, you had your little bubble, and so
Speaker 4: I was staying at his house or he was staying
Speaker 4: at my house, and I feel well, I feel like
Speaker 4: it threw you in and it either made or broke you,
Speaker 4: you know, and for us, it definitely made us. Like
Speaker 4: just spending that time together and like, yeah, like the
Speaker 4: fact that we could be on top of each other
Speaker 4: basically in more ways than one was definitely like and
Speaker 4: we didn't get annoyed at each other. Was kind of
Speaker 4: like solidifying the fact that we really love each other.
Speaker 4: And so we've been together four years. Yeah, we'll be
Speaker 4: getting married for sure. Proposing we all know it's happening.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I've.
Speaker 4: Always wanted to propose to my partner, Like I've had
Speaker 4: this dream of like proposing at the place that we met,
Speaker 4: and like going back to the place we met or
Speaker 4: where we had our first kiss more specifically, like where'd
Speaker 4: you have your first kiss and like going back to
Speaker 4: that moment and proposing and having it come full circle.
Speaker 4: I'm a very full circle kind of person. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: our first kiss was in a bathroom Quebicuse.
Speaker 2: Nightclub. It was close to trash all. We looked up
Speaker 2: in a toilet.
Speaker 4: So won't be proposing, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love it. I love love and I love
Speaker 1: hearing these stories. It just like makes warm inside, and
Speaker 1: I think it gives people hope who are still in
Speaker 1: toxic relationships to hear these stories that you don't have
Speaker 1: to be in relationship where you are constantly fighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, the way that we met was also so organic,
Speaker 4: which I love. We didn't meet on a dating app
Speaker 4: or anything like that. I went to a drag show
Speaker 4: and he I saw. I was with my best friend
Speaker 4: and I saw him across the room and I tapped
Speaker 4: my best friend on the shoulder and I said, oh
Speaker 4: my god, look at that boy. I'm like, like, he's
Speaker 4: just so my tight, he's so perfect, he's fucking beautiful.
Speaker 4: And I tapped my friend and I literally looked at him,
Speaker 4: and I tapped my best friend and I go, look
Speaker 4: at that guy. And he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: because he knew what I was talking about. And I go,
Speaker 4: that's my future husband. And it was yeah, so manifest
Speaker 4: that shit, ladies.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then we became friends and we were like, oh,
Speaker 4: friends of a friend group. My best friend and me,
Speaker 4: and then his best friend and him. We all became
Speaker 4: like a little group, and then that group kind of
Speaker 4: got bigger and we were friends for a very long time.
Speaker 4: And I remember like I had the biggest crush on him,
Speaker 4: and I was just trying to like do the groundwork
Speaker 4: for like three or four months, and then finally I
Speaker 4: could see he was like taking what I was putting down.
Speaker 4: And so there's a bit of a chase, and I
Speaker 4: hate chasing, but it was definitely worth it. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I just thought that we met really organically. Not that
Speaker 4: there's anything wrong with meeting on a dating app or
Speaker 4: a dating show, but yeah, like I.
Speaker 2: Just love that.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those moments that we met
Speaker 4: in real life, so lovely.
Speaker 1: Is there a proposal on the cards soon?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 4: Can we say, well, I need to stop working because
Speaker 4: there's no time to plan anything. I will say, as well,
Speaker 4: here's the thing, though, even though we've been together four years,
Speaker 4: like right now, it's not the right time, Like I
Speaker 4: just know that, Like I feel like, although I know
Speaker 4: that's happening, like you also know when you want to
Speaker 4: want to propose, and to be honest.
Speaker 2: Like now not that time. Always did say we've only
Speaker 2: been living together for a year.
Speaker 4: I think i'd probably want to give that like two
Speaker 4: years before you make your decision like that, just to
Speaker 4: really make Yeah, although we haven't had a fight ever,
Speaker 4: like you know, you never know, you just want to
Speaker 4: really give it a test run before you look it down.
Speaker 4: I don't see it being an issue, but yeah, the
Speaker 4: thing is like I just don't feel like I don't
Speaker 4: have time to think about that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So once I have some rest, I do plan to
Speaker 4: take a bit of time off in a couple months.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm not going to propose then, but
Speaker 4: at least I can then think about it.
Speaker 3: We'll be keeping our eye out for a proposal then, yea.
Speaker 2: Well you won't be. You can't even see my podcast.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Probably you've me.
Speaker 1: How was your dating life before meeting Skylar them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you have any toxic relationships before?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: My god, literally yes, I had so many toxic relationships.
Speaker 2: They were awful, some of them were.
Speaker 4: I was actually more of a situationship kind of person,
Speaker 4: Like there was never only official label on it, but
Speaker 4: it was like months or years of like being in situationships.
Speaker 4: But also probably my own fault, Like sometimes I was
Speaker 4: in a situationship with three guys at a time, so
Speaker 4: it was my own fault because like one I remember
Speaker 4: getting into a situationship with like one guy and so
Speaker 4: that was boring me, but you know, I was still
Speaker 4: keeping him around. So I got another one, and there
Speaker 4: was another situationship, and I was like, well that's boring
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: You're both boring, but I'll keep you around. And then
Speaker 2: I got third one.
Speaker 4: That wasn't until my best friend said something to me, like,
Speaker 4: you realize you've got three guys on the go at once,
Speaker 4: which I mean is empowering.
Speaker 3: Monitor three guys at once, Like, yeah, well.
Speaker 2: It's hard when you call one of them the wrong name,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: They're all called they're called each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, called one of them the wrong name during you know,
Speaker 4: an active service, and yeah, that didn't go down well.
Speaker 2: And actually I think that was the end of us then.
Speaker 4: So just remember, if you're going to sleep around with
Speaker 4: different people at the same time, just remember to call
Speaker 4: as as Matt said, Matt's apro Apparently, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: It takes on to know.
Speaker 3: I got to know.
Speaker 1: Just always that's hilarious. Do you have any good pickup lines,
Speaker 1: because we are obviously a dating podcast and we always
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests to help the audience in
Speaker 1: their dating lives.
Speaker 2: My best pickup is it's not really a pick up one.
Speaker 1: Actually dating tip.
Speaker 3: Maybe what's you?
Speaker 4: Maybe it's that my favorite like pickup line sort of
Speaker 4: esque thing is Elvira when someone asks her like, how's
Speaker 4: how's your head and she goes, I've never had any complaints.
Speaker 2: It's a slow burn. But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've never been a pick up As I said, I
Speaker 4: hate hate chase, so I've never been a pickup line person,
Speaker 4: Like you're doing the pickup lines on me, and you know,
Speaker 4: for the most part, you didn't need a pick up
Speaker 4: line as long as you look good. I was ready anyway,
Speaker 4: so didn't even matter what your name was, didn't have
Speaker 4: to learn it half the time, the wrong one anyway,
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. But dating tips, look, I would say, oh,
Speaker 4: I've got the biggest dating tip for you, And I
Speaker 4: really think this is half the reason that our relationship
Speaker 4: is so successful. Seriously, though, for a minute, the fact
Speaker 4: is that Sky and I have very separate friend groups.
Speaker 4: So we have a friend group that before we started
Speaker 4: dating was a friend group. So we're obviously still all
Speaker 4: a friend group, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: But I mean.
Speaker 4: Friends that I didn't meet before dating him. I have
Speaker 4: no relationship with and I think that is one of
Speaker 4: the biggest and best things about our relationship and vice versa.
Speaker 4: He obviously knows my friends, I know his friends. We
Speaker 4: you know, they come over and obviously we have a
Speaker 4: conversation that I couldn't tell you anything about their lives
Speaker 4: and he couldn't tell you anything about any of my
Speaker 4: friend's lives. And although that sounds really like harsh and
Speaker 4: black and white, it's not exactly like that. But what
Speaker 4: I think that does is there's no like mixing between
Speaker 4: friends and relationship and things like that. I feel like
Speaker 4: all of the breakdowns in the past is because I've
Speaker 4: wanted my partners to like be besties with my best friends,
Speaker 4: and then when it gets messy, it gets really really messy.
Speaker 4: And so although like we obviously have a great relationship
Speaker 4: with the other with like I know Sky's friends' names,
Speaker 4: I know what they do for work, and that's about it.
Speaker 4: And when they come over, we catch up high how
Speaker 4: are you, what's been happening? But I never message one
Speaker 4: of them and say happy birthday or anything like that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, we don't have that
Speaker 4: sort of relationship. And he we're very conscious, especially after
Speaker 4: probably spending so much time together during the lockdowns. We're
Speaker 4: very conscious that we need time apart as much as
Speaker 4: we have time together. So I'm always happy when he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm going out for dinner with my friend on Thursday night,
Speaker 4: I'm like, freaking.
Speaker 2: Go, Like, enjoy your life.
Speaker 4: I never want to be one of those boyfriends either
Speaker 4: that like gets upset at my partner for wanting to
Speaker 4: go and do things with his friends and things like that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you, babe, you do whatever you like. I'll
Speaker 4: be here sitting and waiting for you. Or I might
Speaker 4: go out for dinner with one of my friends. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so we really take time to still spend time
Speaker 4: with the people in our life, but it's not all
Speaker 4: co mingled together. And I think that is honestly one
Speaker 4: of the best reasons why it works. I like that too,
Speaker 4: It's we really we know that time apart is as
Speaker 4: sport and as time together.
Speaker 1: Totally. No, I think that's really good.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think that there has to be some
Speaker 3: I think there has to be you have to have
Speaker 3: your own time, Like I love my own time. My
Speaker 3: own time is like He's great, and then you get
Speaker 3: to hang out with your friends, have a beer and like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, for sure, do you have an embarrassing
Speaker 1: dating story that you could tell us?
Speaker 3: Plenty of them on earth.
Speaker 4: I think my most embarrassing was probably when I called
Speaker 4: the guy the wrong name.
Speaker 3: What happened? Do you just take up?
Speaker 4: Because the other guy that I called him the name
Speaker 4: of is my ex and or he already knew about
Speaker 4: that guy the biggestine and I had slept with him
Speaker 4: that morning, and the other guy came.
Speaker 2: Over in the afternoon, so I just got confused. There
Speaker 2: was a lot of men.
Speaker 4: In the house at once, you know, I got confused.
Speaker 2: That was probably the most embarrassing dating.
Speaker 4: But see, look the other thing as well is as
Speaker 4: a gay man, dating is very different. In fact, we
Speaker 4: hardly date at all in the world. I mean maybe
Speaker 4: these days it's a little bit different, but definitely beforehand,
Speaker 4: there was no There was not much dating happening. You
Speaker 4: didn't hear of people going on dates. You didn't really
Speaker 4: go on dates yourself. I never really I was never
Speaker 4: really seeking anyone to date. I was more so just
Speaker 4: like looking for sex at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: or maybe not even sex, just like other things. But
Speaker 4: for me, like I yeah, didn't I mean apart from
Speaker 4: my situationships. Before I was in relationship, Like you know,
Speaker 4: I was on all the apps, you know, finding finding men,
Speaker 4: but not to not to date just to be like
Speaker 4: come over, you know what I mean. We kind of
Speaker 4: just got straight to the point. We're very busy gay people.
Speaker 4: We're very busy. We've just got to in and out
Speaker 4: do it and then never see you again. And so yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like embarrassing dating stories. I never really
Speaker 4: went on dates, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Right, embarrassing grinders stories?
Speaker 2: Would you say, Oh my god, where do I start?
Speaker 4: Okay, one time I was almost murdered because I downloaded.
Speaker 2: I was on my I was on grinder. Here we go.
Speaker 4: This is a big story for you. But oh my god,
Speaker 4: it ends so badly as well.
Speaker 3: Well you're obviously alive, so didn't.
Speaker 4: No, it's actually a full one eighty. I'll keep it
Speaker 4: real short for you. I tell the full story on
Speaker 4: trash Alley, but it's it's a long story, but I'll
Speaker 4: keep it short.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I was messaging this guy.
Speaker 4: He was like, come over, I'll give you a full
Speaker 4: body massage, and I was like, you know what that actually,
Speaker 4: that's really good. I'm okay with that. He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: what's your address. I give him the address. He's like,
Speaker 4: there's a taxi out the front. And so I get
Speaker 4: in the taxi and I'm like hey, and I think
Speaker 4: he's booked me a taxi. No, he's a taxi driver.
Speaker 4: And he looked nothing like his pictures. And he starts.
Speaker 2: Like driving and rubbing my leg. And then he's like,
Speaker 2: I've got to drop.
Speaker 4: The taxi back to the taxi rink in Alexandria and
Speaker 4: then you can book an uber to my house and
Speaker 4: I'll do the whole massage thing. And I didn't have
Speaker 4: enough money to pay for an uber all these years ago,
Speaker 4: and so I was like stressed now and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can't do that. He drops his car off at
Speaker 4: the taxi rank, and then anyway, all this other stuff happened.
Speaker 4: I tried to get out of the car. He locked
Speaker 4: the doors. This is before the taxi rank. But I
Speaker 4: mean he didn't in one way. He didn't mean any harm,
Speaker 4: I don't think, but like like he wasn't like not
Speaker 4: letting me out, but the doors were locked and I
Speaker 4: couldn't open the door, and so then but it wasn't
Speaker 4: like a full on thing, like I think it just
Speaker 4: genuinely like locked the doors and I didn't, you know,
Speaker 4: so I'm panicking.
Speaker 2: I'm drunk anyway at the time. And then I get
Speaker 2: out of the taxi and run and then he like when.
Speaker 4: He unlocks the doors for me to get out so
Speaker 4: he could go into the taxi rink, and then he
Speaker 4: turns around and chases me with the taxi down the street.
Speaker 4: And then I run into this apartment building and I hide,
Speaker 4: and then he gets out of the taxi and comes
Speaker 4: in and follows me. But like, again, I just think
Speaker 4: he was trying to be like genuinely nice, but I
Speaker 4: was just freaking out.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, Oh God, tradition, I think he
Speaker 2: might have been.
Speaker 4: But I was just like profiling him and being like, na,
Speaker 4: he's gonna mad me.
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 4: Got on grinder again and was then seeking refuge with
Speaker 4: whoever was nearest, and so then I then I I
Speaker 4: messaged a guy and he was like, yeah, come up
Speaker 4: to mine, and I get up there, and did you
Speaker 4: know what a bukhaky is?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we might just ask the guests to, like
Speaker 4: the listeners to google what a bier khaki is.
Speaker 2: Because I don't know.
Speaker 4: So I get up to the to the room and
Speaker 4: he gets it and I'm just taking refuge. He's trying
Speaker 4: to be sexual, but I was like, I'm actually having
Speaker 4: a bit of a pedic attack, so I can't.
Speaker 2: And he wasn't that attractive either.
Speaker 4: But then he asked he got a phone call and
Speaker 4: said and they asked if he wanted to come over
Speaker 4: for a bu khaki and he said, oh, well, I
Speaker 4: got someone here can I bring them? And he asked
Speaker 4: me and says, do you want to go have a berkhaki?
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting there having a panic attack, you know,
Speaker 4: like just out of my mind thinking this this is
Speaker 4: not where I thought I would end up.
Speaker 2: And he's like, do you want to have a bukharkie?
Speaker 2: And I went, oh, well, all right.
Speaker 4: Then it was a very exciting experience. It was a
Speaker 4: one off. I'll never probably do it again, but it
Speaker 4: was it was it was fun and that's probably the
Speaker 4: wildest story. There's a lot more detail, but I feel like.
Speaker 1: You guys need to tell me what a few khaki
Speaker 1: is because I'm feeling left out. What is it?
Speaker 4: Might you might want to cut it out of the okay, Well,
Speaker 4: it's like, have you heard of a circle jerk then.
Speaker 3: So you'll blow on one thing. Yeah, it's when you
Speaker 3: all like you circle jerk, Yeah you probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I walked into this few khaky not knowing what
Speaker 4: to expect.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you it was.
Speaker 4: The hottest fucking footballer body time. Like they look like
Speaker 4: they all played for the Sydney Boosters, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like I was in heaven. So I'm in
Speaker 4: the middle and it's kind of like, you know, they're
Speaker 4: they're just kind of like all standing around you, and
Speaker 4: you're just taking your pick at what you want to
Speaker 4: grab and and then I become, you know, the canvas
Speaker 4: for the painting.
Speaker 2: But you know what, as full on as that sounds,
Speaker 2: let me tell you they were all real gentlemen. Like
Speaker 2: they were. They just it sounds like it's crazy.
Speaker 4: They treated me with so much respect, and I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I can't believe we've gone from like this trauma situation
Speaker 1: getting chased by a fucking car taxi into this. I
Speaker 1: did not see that coming A bunch of Sydney roosters.
Speaker 2: I did not see it coming either, but it did.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wait, that is an amazing story.
Speaker 3: I love it just a question how many does do
Speaker 3: you remember? How many?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: There were four? And then the guy that brought me
Speaker 4: from his apartment that I see refuge in, he sat
Speaker 4: on the lounge, so like there were five guys in
Speaker 4: the room and me, but there were only four, and
Speaker 4: the one that sat on the lounge just was like
Speaker 4: pleasuring himself and watching it happened.
Speaker 3: Did you invite the taxi drivers blocked for life? I
Speaker 3: have a question actually about like gay relationships in that
Speaker 3: that I find fascinating. Are you in a monogamous one or.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, I am you.
Speaker 4: Are yeah, because I find always been really important to me.
Speaker 4: It's not for a lot of people in the gay community.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and the good thing about Skyla is he
Speaker 4: was looking for the same thing. So we're very monogamous.
Speaker 4: We've never strayed. But I feel like I had my
Speaker 4: time before this relationship.
Speaker 3: Boundary Do you set up boundary from the star? Is
Speaker 3: it a conversation that comes up early or is it like, yeah, for.
Speaker 4: Us, we had that conversation before we even started dating.
Speaker 4: And also I think before we even started really talking
Speaker 4: to each other a bit more seriously, I think we
Speaker 4: just I think I just popped that question like in
Speaker 4: the friend group and was like, what do we all think?
Speaker 4: Because I wanted to gauge his interests because if he
Speaker 4: wanted to be you know, open, open, then I don't
Speaker 4: know whether I could deal with that.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. You know what's really funny.
Speaker 4: It is like I have this is so random, but
Speaker 4: you know Jess from The Bachelor this season, did you
Speaker 4: want to Bachelor's this season? Is that the blonde guy,
Speaker 4: the blonde girl who had the open relationship, So like
Speaker 4: she was saying some things and she was making really
Speaker 4: good points and me and Sky were like talking and
Speaker 4: we were like, wow, that's so interesting, Like yeah, we
Speaker 4: definitely don't want that, but like that's so interesting, and
Speaker 4: we kind of like now because I've come to a
Speaker 4: point where before this relationship, I like never understood why
Speaker 4: anyone else would want to be with anyone else except
Speaker 4: their partner.
Speaker 2: That was just like my whole thing.
Speaker 4: And I always looked at people who were in open
Speaker 4: relationships as like why are you even bothering?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And like, now though I still don't want that, I
Speaker 4: now understand it and I now go, well, if someone
Speaker 4: else that's an open relationship. Absolutely, like you go for
Speaker 4: it as long as you're both on the same page.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, not something that we want for our relationship now.
Speaker 4: I mean that could change in the future. I don't
Speaker 4: see it changing, but but yeah, I know it's a
Speaker 4: big thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a sex expert come onto our podcast recently,
Speaker 1: called doctor Tara, and she explained to us that a
Speaker 1: lot of couples are moving from monogamyth monogamy, monogamy to monogamish,
Speaker 1: and the monogamish part is just like a random threesome
Speaker 1: here and like a little play there, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a little bit of dabbling, but mainly monogamy monogamous.
Speaker 1: I can't even talk monogamish, monogamish monogamy, Yeah, monogamy, monogamish. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently monogamish is like the new monogamy supposedly.
Speaker 4: So what's monogamish Is that just like introducing someone into
Speaker 4: your relationship just one night thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like, yeah, just very or if your
Speaker 3: sexual needs or desires aren't linked up, that they come
Speaker 3: to an agreement that for instance.
Speaker 1: Say so it's like ninety percent of the time you're monogam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, say one of them wants more sexy, the other
Speaker 3: one sex drive, can't keep up with it. It's a
Speaker 3: discussion had and they've said, Okay, you can go. I
Speaker 3: guess I mean pay for something. You could pick someone up,
Speaker 3: or you could have someone on the side that you
Speaker 3: you find if you Yeah, the other one can't keep
Speaker 3: up with it.
Speaker 1: It's like a conversation and communication. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was interesting hearing it.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a bit like awkward to bring
Speaker 4: someone in, Like like I think if we wanted to
Speaker 4: try spicing it up, I don't think i'd go straight
Speaker 4: to let's bring a third person into our bed.
Speaker 1: Totally feel the same way.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's almost easier to actually just go
Speaker 4: and sleep with someone else altogether then bring a third
Speaker 4: person in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 4: I just did a story about a big car keeper,
Speaker 4: you know, threesome scamy, you know, because that would have
Speaker 4: been the odd one out.
Speaker 2: But I feel left down in my own threesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I mean your partner going off and
Speaker 3: doing stuff that fucking not knowing would kill me, like
Speaker 3: would eat me alive. I reckon, I couldn't compartmentalize.
Speaker 1: Matt and I are way too jealous to ever be
Speaker 1: in another miss relationship.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. Then it's something to spice
Speaker 3: it up. Be you could invite someone to watch look
Speaker 3: well brainstorm able to.
Speaker 4: Find anyone to watch me?
Speaker 2: Very very niche Mark.
Speaker 1: Just like a creepy person in the corner, like masturbating
Speaker 1: to you, like it's.
Speaker 2: Just giving me the driver, give me.
Speaker 1: Oh. It's been lovely having you on the podcast. Thank
Speaker 1: you so so much for coming on. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you for having me Joel, it's been
Speaker 4: a whod It's been the greatest way to start my day.
Speaker 3: Please, I'll look to unblock you or you unblocked me.
Speaker 3: I'll speak to the people at Instagram higher up and
Speaker 3: see what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something's going on. It's all gone wrong in high
Speaker 2: school or something. Because I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 3: That's strange, very strange, right, Thank you, thank you, Thanks mate,
Speaker 3: thank you,