WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 15 May 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.840 Lately, welcome the Late Debates. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.040 Well, good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.200 James Macpherson with Denika de Giorgio and Joe Hildebrand coming 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.439 up tonight the North Sydney Toilet that if it goes ahead, 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.040 we'll have a world heritage view. You will not believe 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.560 where council want to put Alo plus When we get 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:27.880 to the papers, the Canberra bureaucrats who are rushing to 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.479 book quantus flights on the taxpayer dollar wouldn't have anything 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.559 to do with double status points, would it. Plus On 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.360 the front page of tomorrow's papers. Ugly scenes at the 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.559 University of Sydney as the Student Representative Council vote for 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:45.480 the eradication of Israel. All of that a little later, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.479 but first, just when you thought the world could not 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.800 get any crazier, along comes the animal rights group Peter. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.880 They are demanding the Brisbane Broncos change their name because well, 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.600 apparently by calling themselves the Bronco they're glorifying rodeos or 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.720 Rodeo's or something. Now, I know what you're thinking, what 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.640 a bunch of donkeys, But I promise you they're not 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.200 horsing around haven't listened to this statement that they trotted 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.880 out earlier today. They said Peter is asking the Brisbane 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.640 Broncos to retire Buck, that's their mascot, and move away 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:23.280 from imagery such as Bucking Broncos, which glorifies Rodeos. Bucking 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.240 Bronco imagery glorifies Rodeos, one of Queensland's cruelest and most 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:32.680 backward undertakings. The team could adopt the name the Brisbane Boomerangs, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.320 after the impressive aboriginal weapon, a nod to the team's 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:41.399 fostering of indigenous talent and commitment to equality. Now, just 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.200 on that suggestion before we talk about whether or not 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.200 they should ditch the Bronco mascot. If they were to 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:53.240 call themselves, you know, the Boomerangs, to be more animal friendly. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.840 Wikipedia says the boomerang was used to kill animals by 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.240 inflicting injuries that lead to their demise. Designed to fly 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.760 straight and with significant force, striking an animal with enough 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.240 power to break bones, puncture vital organs, or cause severe 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:12.000 head injuries. I think injuries here applies to the people 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:12.680 at Peter. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.760 That is quality research, That is quality debating, that that is. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.239 Would you go from broncos to that actually kills me, 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:21.679 that kills animals, that's right. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.960 So this is Peter being Peter. Right, So they do 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.280 this stuff. Who says vegans don't have a sense of humor. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.040 So what they do is they go around trying to 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.720 find and yes, we know what you're up to, and 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.440 we're doing it anyway because it's just too funny. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:33.839 But they go around. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.919 Making the most ridiculous, outlandish suggestions or demands of what 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.720 they want people to do, knowing that it will be 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.320 seen as so absolutely beyond the pail and absurd that 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.280 people will talk about it. And then Peter gets all 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.480 its little mentions and it gets its messagecross by light. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.600 So they've come after us before. I think they came after. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.200 I think they came after hunters and collectors and said 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.520 that the banns and collectors should change their names to 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.280 I guess grazers and collectors or whatever. And they even 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.320 came after Tasmania. They came after the Tasmanian government and 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.239 demanded that they change the name of Eggs and Bacon Bay. 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.280 So there is an idyllic little bay in Tasmania called 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:14.400 Eggs and Bacon Bay. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.480 And Peter obviously. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.400 Doing a bit of gurgling as you were with the 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:19.560 uses of the boomerangs. 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.280 Oh here's something we can get on top of. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.200 So they're doing it again, and we've walked right into 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:28.640 their noodle arm little vegan weak need protein free trap. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.399 Or their vegan weirdness, the absolutely vegan weirdness. Actually they've 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.080 done it. You forgot about the Western Bulldogs. They also 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.760 after you can't forget the Western Bulldogs in the AFL 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.280 last year, they said that they wanted the AFL team 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.640 to be renamed the Western Mutts. Would you believe can 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.080 you imagine the West the Western Mutts versus the West Coast. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:51.440 Eggless because they said they're bread promoting breathing in paired 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:52.800 dog breeds and. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.600 They said that that was offensive. And they also wanted 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.080 the Western Bulldogs to change their mascot as well. So look, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.800 you know, look, this is just another example of yet 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.560 again the perpetually outraged that Peter. You know what they're 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.720 going to come after next. They're going to go through 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.600 every single team, the Tigers. I don't think the Sharks 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.240 are safe at this point, are they? I don't know, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.840 I don't know, But at the rate that Peter are 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.360 going any animal team are. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.919 Gone, the Saint George I Llawarre team, I mean that 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:23.000 glorifies the slanging of dragons. Well, and wait till they 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.960 find out the dolphins mascot spends the entire game out 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:29.120 of water. If they won't be happy with that thing 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.280 about this though, right, surely this affects their funding because 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.360 most of their funding comes from donations. If you saw 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.760 someone from what is the Ethical Treatment of Animals people 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.919 for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, they're out collecting money 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.480 so we can fight for animal welfare, and you've been 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.240 reading that they've been going on with this rubbish, you 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.120 would have thought, if this is the biggest problem with 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.760 animal welfare in this country, that the Broncos mascot might 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:56.080 glorify rodeos, then maybe animals are doing pretty well and 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.720 Peter don't need my donation. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.679 It's just the way that Peter gets all this attention 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.720 right across the globe. Like, imagine how many countries they're 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.480 doing this too, all at. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.560 The same time while we're still banging about it. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.440 And it doesn't means they get massive, massive amount of 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:11.120 media coverage. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.600 It means they get a super high profile. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.159 It means that they suck funding that might otherwise go 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.520 to RSPCA, which actually does really good stuff on a 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.960 humane society or whatever. But and they get massive celebrity 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.839 endorsements like Pamela Anderson. I think, quite famously rocked up 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.040 in the Nerds that I'd rather go naked than wear fur. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.720 She was a big Peter ambassador. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.280 The good news is, though, is that it goes both 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.240 ways because just as Peter demands, you know, it makes 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:39.520 demands off what other people can name things. I'm told 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.560 that Peter Kreedlin has now written to Peter and demanded 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:44.440 cease using her name. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.000 You know, I actually disagree with you. I actually think 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.000 it puts people off more. To be honest, I think 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.320 people look at them and just go, you're a bunch 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.279 of absolute weirdos. Seriously. I mean I know that the 0:05:55.320 --> 0:06:00.359 Broncos told them to buck off. Oh, I thought that 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.440 was quite clever. People get put off by this nonsense, seriously, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.400 because what they're actually doing is they're ramming it down 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.000 our throats. Now, if you're going to be an activist organization, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:11.159 I'm happy for you to say this is my cause, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.960 this is what I'm about. But when you start making 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.800 ludicrous suggestions like these. I think it actually puts people on. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.440 I think the problem is they know it's ludicrous. All 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.040 it does is get everyone talking about it. 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.279 Hopefully we're talking, but it doesn't Oh well, Peter, great, terrific, 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.479 you're doing great. It doesn't go yet it's clapp let's 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.120 clap for them. I think it just puts them off. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.880 Well, maybe if you're already donating to Peter, you're probably 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.440 not going to be put off by this because you're 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:33.520 already down that. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.279 If you're vegan or whatever, you probably think it's funny. 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.200 It's probably the only thing you think is funny. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:39.200 Let's talk vegan. 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.880 Let's move from that to South Australia, because they have 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.800 got some big problems in South Australia. Late a statistics 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.440 show sixty three percent of adults are either overweight or 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.920 obese and thirty five percent of children are either overweight 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.080 or obese. So it's a large issue for South Australia 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.000 and the government have decided to do something about it. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:04.239 From July first, they will ban advertising of junk food 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:10.000 and sugary drinks on all public transport. Now. The Australian 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.120 Association of National Advertisers has obviously, as you would imagine, 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.640 opposed this because it'll affect their revenue, of course. But 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.440 the biggest problem here is the lack of nuance. For instance, 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.640 junk food under the definition provided by the South Australian 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.200 Government would include processed food. So get this, Danika, you 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.920 would be unable to advertise a ham and sealad sandwich 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.680 because ham is processed. Or what about this if the 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.960 Make a Wish Foundation put up an out on a 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:43.760 bus and the advertisement for Maker Wish Foundation featured a 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.680 kid with say a sponge cake celebrating a birthday, that 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.239 would be illegal because that would be promoting unhealthy foods. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.160 Or what if there was a food festival being held 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.800 in Adelaide, they wouldn't be able to advertise their food 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:00.320 festival with a picture of pastry. So it's a good ee, dear. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.960 I suppose to try to help better health in Adelaide, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.880 but there's zero nuance with these laws. And that's the problem. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.040 Once you start trying to outlaw every little thing that's 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.840 still hurt society, you end up just having large swathe 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.720 laws that become ridiculous. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.240 Yeah, and look, let's be very clear, you do not 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.160 have to be a Rhodes scholar to know what the 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.760 difference between a ham and salad sandwich and say, chocolate 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.040 and Lolly's is I think you could. You don't have 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:31.360 to be a road what difference perhaps in the calories 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.520 the amount of sugar in both of those. But look, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.679 this is another example of why people don't trust leaders, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.880 because once you start enforcing blanket bands, you can't do this. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.640 You can't do that. We're back to the COVID years. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.000 It may as well be back to the COVID years. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.920 But also how much how much ham are people actually eating? Yeah? 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.839 But how much is a lot? Because Okay, if you're 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.840 eating a couple of kilos a day, I'd go you 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.400 are absolutely overdosing on the processed meat. But if you've 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.440 got a couple of slices in your sandwich, come on, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.400 I just think it's ridiculous. Look, please, let adults be adults. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.680 Let adults make their own decisions in their own lives. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.600 Let adults make decisions for their own children. And what 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.640 are they going to do next? Band junk food? Are 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:14.240 they going to go? 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:14.439 Oh? 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.240 You know McDonald's needs to be banned? Is Goozman and 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.599 gomes ay? They are in the firing line. Now you 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.280 know where does it end, Because once you open the 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.960 door to these sorts of blanket bands, that door gets 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:25.679 further open. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.240 I don't mind. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.120 I mean obviously because this was done by South Australian 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.640 Premier Peter Malanauskus. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.679 Under his watch, he can do. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.040 No wrong because he is one of the two most 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:36.360 handsome premiers. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.079 In the nation of Australia. And so of course, you know, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.160 I was about to say, oh, this is absolutely bloody ridiculous. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.400 Where are they doing it? Oh what a fantastic idea. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.280 This is going to improve health outcomes for kids for 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.160 generations to come. But I think if it is just there, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:51.320 if it's just the government saying well, no, this is 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.000 what we decide we're going to accept just for our 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.600 you know, our sites public. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:57.880 I mean, they're not going to ban it. I like 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.240 it better than a wealth tax. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.080 And then a sugar tax, because that actually targets people 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.679 who are less wealthy, because of course people who are 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.400 poorer are from lawa sarchio economic backgrounds are more likely 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.080 to have to buy junk food or less healthy food 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.040 because it's cheaper and easier, and that just ends up 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.680 penalizing them when they're already being penalized by life. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.600 The problem with your labor mates though, is now that 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.080 South Australia are doing this, there's pressure on Mark Butler 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.680 to do something nationally. And as Denika said, where do 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:28.080 you stop? And not just like ban junk food, but 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.880 if you're not going to advertise on public transport, I 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:35.160 mean kids let access advertising about junk food on social media, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.720 it's everywhere you're going to ban that. Are you going 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.880 to ban junk food being used to sponsor sporting things? 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.600 And are you going to ban parents who? I mean 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.840 after all its parents who buy the food, right, correct? 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.559 So should we start removing children from homes where mum 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.559 and dad are buying them kick kats? But this is 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:53.000 what point do you draw a line? 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.480 At what point do you draw a line? But at 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.280 what point do you take your fingers out of parents lives? 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.920 Stop telling parents how to pair its, make the decisions 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.960 for themselves. They know their kids best. They're the ones 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.400 that know their children in and out. Stop dictating to 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.200 parents what they should and shouldn't be doing. Well. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.840 It's a bit like when they started banning all unhealthy 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.400 foods from school canteens. Little word to the wise, the 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.720 kids still know it's out there. Yeah, Like even if 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.320 you don't advertise chocolate, as soon as a kid gets 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.520 a hold of the good stuff, that's all they want 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.520 for the rest of their lives. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.720 And they know it's there, and they. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:28.200 Will beat you into submission day in day out. Obviously, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.280 I'm still suffering from quite a bit of personal trauma. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.360 I just gave my five year old a packet of oreos, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:34.400 you know what I mean. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.360 Like they just they get it and they wear you 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.920 down and they find a way because they're evil, manipularly 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.960 little terrorist masterminds who know how to find your weak 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.439 spot and then crush it and break. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.040 You as a human. I'm just going to stop. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.000 But you might be in trouble see under South Australian 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.559 under a blanket bad But you could be in trouble. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.280 Right well, maybe it might be one less thing that 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.400 you have to worry. So it's like the social media, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:57.400 you know, what is it? 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:57.600 You know? 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.600 Like what I say to you know, we say to 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.320 my fireelf. For example, my mum. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.520 Says to her, well, if you eat all that chocolate, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.640 you're going to get diabetes. And I actually had to 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.000 bring her into work to Sky News and she was 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.800 talking to Mel the makeup lady downstairs, and she just 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.520 goes up to Melon and says, do you have chocolate 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:16.840 every day and. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.760 Says, I'm actually I do, yeah, I mean the you 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:20.880 have diabetes. 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.360 The biggest you hear is parenting, right. You know when 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.400 you go to kmart you have to pay for anything. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.280 You have to weave through this maze of stuff that 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:32.880 is all aimed at kids. It's all like kinder Surprises. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:32.760 And all that. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.880 It's all the whole levels will grab. You've just got 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.440 to learn to parent and learn to say no. It's 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.240 not that difficult, unless which case it's impossible. You'll do 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.480 whatever they want. Empty. Albanezi on Tuesday was sworn in 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.040 for his second term as Prime Minister along with his 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:55.000 new cabinet, and what got everybody talking was the absence 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.079 of a Bible when he took his oath the Catholic 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.320 Prime Minister. Rather than swearing on a b I will, 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:05.120 as his tradition, chose to take a secular affirmation. Here's 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:13.800 what he did on Tuesday. I, Anthony Norman Albanese, do 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:18.080 solemnly and sincerely affirm and declare that I will well 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:21.800 and truly serve the conwell of Australia, her Land and 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:40.240 her people in the office of Prime Minister projers. Now, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:44.320 legally it makes no difference, but politically and culturally there's 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.360 questions being asked, particularly since Anthony Albanese made a pretty 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.880 big deal of his Catholic faith prior to the election, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.000 and more recently was talking about how proud his mother 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.839 would be that he will be the first Australian Prime 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:02.079 Minister to attend the inauguration of a pope. So why 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.120 didn't he swear his oath on the Bible. He is, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.679 as I said, a Catholic. Well, here's the explanation he 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.080 gave today. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:14.040 I believe in a separation of church and state, so 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.120 I choose, for example today, I've always chosen to do 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.320 an affirmation because I think that as the Australian Prime Minister, 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.680 I represent people of every faith and no faith, and 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.000 so that for me, that's a personal decision. Other people 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.600 who swear on the Bible or the Qur'an Nle's case 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.400 is perfectly up to them. It's a personal choice. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.960 But now there's a few points we could make about this, 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.760 But let me just make one point. He said he 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.560 refused to swear on the Bible because he believes in 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:54.920 the principle of the separation of church and state. Here's 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.880 my question, where did he get that principle from. Well, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.600 that principle was not existent until Jesus said, render unto Caesar, 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.840 what is Caesars? And unto God what is God's? The 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:11.320 principle of separation of church and state. Religion and state 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.880 did not exist anywhere in the world until Jesus made 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.840 that claim. That principle, which he says was his guiding principle, 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.200 is actually in the Bible that he refused to swear 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.240 on Albanese. He probably just doesn't know quite enough of 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.320 what he believes. If he knew it, he wouldn't have 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:28.120 had a problem. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.360 Very well played again, although I think he is being 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.240 very genuine to see he didn't make a huge deal. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:34.920 I mean the fact that the pope died in the 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.200 middle of the election campaign. Obviously he had to put 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.280 out a statement about that and comment on it a lot. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.000 It emerged, It emerged publicly, and against I can tell 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:46.800 you it was actually against his wishes. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.400 He actually asked the journo not to run the story. 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.200 But the journo did anyway, and it wasn't me, but 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.360 that he'd been going to Mass again. So it started 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.400 being and he's been raised to Catholic obviously, you know, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.720 like we all do. You lapse, you go off and 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.520 do other stuff, and then you often come back to 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.320 it later in life. And he started doing that, and 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.360 he'd been spotted at you know, the big Catholic Church 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.320 Canberra and and so and so that was written about 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:14.480 and I read that he's back, but I don't think 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.360 it is something because I actually had him on my 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.680 podcast and tried to get him to talk about him 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.080 going back to the faith of you know, his own Catholicism, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.600 because it was clear that he wrote. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.680 The statement about the Pope dying himself. You can just 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.480 tell sometimes when it's them and not their their minions 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:31.880 doing it. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:34.360 And and he just wouldn't talk about it, just even 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.840 to me, who you know, even on a podcast, it's 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.680 really intimate and blah blah blah chatting away. He just 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.480 sort of talks generally about importance of the Pope and 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.800 blah blah blah. So I think it actually is something 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:51.160 he does like to keep quite private and considers quite personal, 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.480 which I respect. The other thing, of course, is that 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.400 if you're swearing an allegiance to the if you're swearing 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.520 an allegiance on the strong part, imagine the Bible they 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.040 bring out. It would be a Church of England, it 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.240 would be this, It would be the King James version, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.080 wouldn't that? And so obviously it's a true Catholic. He 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.640 could only swear on the revised standard version about James. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.640 That's a pretty Bible both. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:18.440 You could swear on the message versions. Yeah, I'm not 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:22.480 questioning Albanese's faith. His suspicion faith is certainly a matter 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.280 for him. But I mean, when you swear the oath 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.280 of allegiance, that's not on behalf of the Australian public. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:31.320 That's your promise to the highest authority that you know 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.200 of that you are going to do a good job. 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.439 So I still don't understand him saying, will I represent 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.680 people of all faiths and no faiths? Therefore I don't 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.120 swear on the Bible. But it's not about everybody else. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.119 It's about you and what you consider to be the 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.800 highest authority that you can promise your fidelity. 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.000 Yeah, and look, I hate to be skeptical about a 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.520 person's religion. You never want to be skeptical, and I'm 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.080 not being skeptical. If the Prime Minister is a true Catholic, 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.159 as he says he is, then that's totally fine. But 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.160 the problem I have with this is that the Prime 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.520 Minister himself actually made this almost into an election issue 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:10.320 when he paused campaigning on the day that the Pope died. Now, firstly, look, 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.119 I've got to be honest, I think it was a 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.840 bizarre decision. I don't know why you need to pause 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.320 campaigning on the day that the pope died, but to me, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.840 it seemed like it was a deliberate attempt to win 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.919 over Catholic voters. Now why do I think that this 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:27.359 was absolutely ridiculous, Well, because he cancels campaigning on that day, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.439 and then about an hour later, he held a press 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.040 conference in which he was asked about his Catholic faith. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.159 At that press conference and he said, well, I have 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.840 three faiths actually, the Labor Party, the Catholic faith and 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.600 the South Sydney rabbit Os. And that in itself sounded 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.199 like a sheer slogan to me. So again, I'm not 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.840 questioning that he is a Catholic, but he didn't even 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.800 go to a Good Friday service. You might remember he 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.520 did not go to church on Good Friday. So if 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.000 you have that devout why didn't you go to church? 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.120 No one likes the bad news days. Everyone just wants 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:56.760 to go to the Sunday. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.919 Well, it doesn't matter, but Peter doesn't. It doesn't win 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.800 church on Good Friday. So if you are such a 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.000 devout Catholic, why didn't you go? That's the question. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.600 Yeah, that Look, I don't think I don't think he 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.800 is a I don't think he's like a huge in evautiation. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.760 But again, like of course you would pause, but with 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:16.399 the Pope queen. Imagine if Queen Elizabeth had died and 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:16.960 you still. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.080 Keep I personally think it's different. I don't. I think. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.960 Look again, it. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.840 Worked for him electorally, but it's still. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:26.159 He was He was an election, but I think it 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.560 was an electoral point. It was deliberately to win over 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.600 the Catholic vote. I don't think. I personally do not 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.080 think he needed to put during it during the middle 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.080 of it, because. 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.560 The pope his agenda was to win over the Catholic vote. Yeah, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.000 it makes sense then for when he's on your podcast, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.520