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Speaker 1: Appoche production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments, Hey guys, So that is a

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Speaker 1: wrap for season eight. What a season that was. From

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Speaker 1: a podcast, it was probably one of the most intense

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Speaker 1: seasons I've ever done. Preparing for Season eight, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make it all female season about domestic violence and abuse,

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Speaker 1: victims of events that have occurred in their lives, and

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Speaker 1: survivors of traumatic encounters. So I did a lot of

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Speaker 1: research all over the world for the best interviews that

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Speaker 1: to the UK, like, for instance, the interview I did

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Speaker 1: with Rachel Williams, who was a domestic violent survivor violently

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Speaker 1: abused by her husband to one day he shot her

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Speaker 1: made it. She survived. Then there was the sad, intense

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Speaker 1: story of Nina was abused by her father to the

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Speaker 1: point where her pillow was set up fire while she

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Speaker 1: was asleep. Leah Barco, the survivor of Westfield bond I

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Speaker 1: Junction stabbings. What a story that was.

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Speaker 2: Not only was she nearly stabbed to death on that

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Speaker 2: fatal day on Saturday, the thirteenth of April.

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Speaker 1: But back when she was a child, she was.

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Speaker 2: Abused by her father for many years and getting stabbed

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Speaker 2: at Westfield Bond I was the last straw forh Lear.

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Speaker 2: She had been through so much in a short period

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Speaker 2: in her life that I had taken a toll on

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Speaker 1: You may ask why I wanted to make season eight

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Speaker 1: a big impact on female survivors. The reason why I

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Speaker 1: was not enough has done about this. They cry for

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Speaker 1: help and their cry goes unanswered. It's a massive problem,

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Speaker 1: not just in this country but all over the world,

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Speaker 1: and more needs to be done about it. And if

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Speaker 1: I can help in the slightest way to help voice this,

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Speaker 1: then I will. I want to say a massive thank

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Speaker 1: you to all my guests for coming on season eight

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Speaker 1: and sharing their traumatic stories, and hopefully listening to these

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Speaker 1: or deal never be scared to ask for help. Season nine,

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Speaker 1: we are going back to the Underworld and true crime

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Speaker 1: with a huge fucking guest list of interviews, interviews with

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Speaker 1: the likes of an Abraham family member, Mexican cartel fugitive,

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Speaker 1: a Russian spy, former bad boy NRL player, Huge and

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Speaker 1: exclusive interviews with only the best guests coming on my

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Speaker 1: fucking podcast.

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Speaker 2: And to kick it off season nine. What better way

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Speaker 2: to start the fucking season an exclusive interview that no

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Speaker 2: other fucking media could get, not even Current Affair, no

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Speaker 2: fucking radio channel.

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Speaker 1: I have faced DIBs on.

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Speaker 2: Interview on Arabella Delaboso, straight out of prison, straight into

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Speaker 2: my fucking studio, Meaning this episode will drop on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: sixteenth of July instead of the usual Monday dropping. This

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Speaker 2: is why my fucking podcast, Secret to the Underworld is

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Speaker 2: the fucking best podcast out there. Follow the podcast so

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Speaker 2: you can stay up to date with all the episodes.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, here's a rewind.

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Speaker 2: Or for those who are new to the podcast. This

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Speaker 2: is how I, Neil the Muscle Comments, got here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you and once again keep listening. This is Secret

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Speaker 1: You know what what makes me never toones about myself

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Speaker 1: and I'm one of the persons who I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But I know I did. But I just don't like

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Speaker 1: mixed the mixed crew out mostly Asians and then Aussies

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00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,881
Speaker 1: and a few little Lebanese, you know what I mean.

428
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,041
Speaker 1: That day was just like everyone just wanted a party.

429
00:21:12,921 --> 00:21:15,601
Speaker 1: That was probably. I remember meeting up. The first time

430
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: I came across a biking club was at home nightclub.

431
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: They came to Home Bar on a Thursday night and

432
00:21:24,201 --> 00:21:26,601
Speaker 1: they had the colors on, and you just can't get

433
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: into a club like that. And they were respectful actually

434
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 1: when they came, because I stood my ground and they

435
00:21:33,281 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: asked to get in. There's about twelve of them, thirteen

436
00:21:35,561 --> 00:21:38,041
Speaker 1: something like that, and he walked over once they get in,

437
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: explained to him that, you know, with your colors on,

438
00:21:40,321 --> 00:21:42,561
Speaker 1: you just can't get in with your jackets saying your

439
00:21:42,561 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: club name on it. And he was pretty respectful and

440
00:21:45,001 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: he left and I said, any other time, I'll let

441
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: your in, boys, But you know what I mean. But

442
00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,641
Speaker 1: that was the first time I'd ever come across any

443
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 1: biking clubs. But no, that was it was mostly just

444
00:21:53,481 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 1: a quiet night. I'm actually hoping they do. It's funny.

445
00:21:58,001 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 1: It's funny that I say that, but that's it, you

446
00:22:00,241 --> 00:22:02,761
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's you. I used to go

447
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,321
Speaker 1: to work thinking I hope the night's night that someone

448
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,521
Speaker 1: kicks off, because you know, I want to fucking knock someone,

449
00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: and I don't. I didn't go looking forward just to

450
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: knock anybody. It was just like, if someone's going to

451
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,481
Speaker 1: start tonight, you're gonna cop it. You know what I mean.

452
00:22:17,561 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: You know, I could go three or four weeks with

453
00:22:19,921 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: no no fights at all, which was you know, don't

454
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: get me wrong, that's good. But you always want the

455
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: adrilline to kick in so you can knock someone. And

456
00:22:27,241 --> 00:22:29,561
Speaker 1: I think it's not just the fact of I think

457
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,881
Speaker 1: sometimes it's to show your authority, you know what I mean.

458
00:22:31,921 --> 00:22:35,201
Speaker 1: It's like just to let people know that don't fuck

459
00:22:35,241 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: around in my club. And to show the other guards too,

460
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,481
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that. You know, there was

461
00:22:39,521 --> 00:22:41,281
Speaker 1: a lot of back then, there was a lot of

462
00:22:41,281 --> 00:22:44,001
Speaker 1: guards in there who thought they were somebody, especially in

463
00:22:44,041 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: home night club. You know what I mean that some

464
00:22:45,561 --> 00:22:48,801
Speaker 1: of them are ex military and you know, so they

465
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: thought they had up a hand on you. And at

466
00:22:50,761 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like when fights kick off,

467
00:22:53,761 --> 00:22:55,801
Speaker 1: just because you've got a few stripes from being an

468
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,761
Speaker 1: overseas in an army or whatever you used to do,

469
00:22:57,801 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's a it's straight away instinct, is that,

470
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: like you know, like, can you handle what's going on

471
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,801
Speaker 1: straight away? I go, oh, you've got these kickboxes, who go,

472
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,841
Speaker 1: I'm a kickboxer, you know I do this. Well, it's

473
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,601
Speaker 1: not like he's going to use a kickboxing straight away

474
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: in a if there's five coming at you, you know

475
00:23:12,441 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. So at the end of that, I

476
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:26,561
Speaker 1: think it's just yeah, John Abraham, I would have I met.

477
00:23:27,721 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: I knew of him, but to meet him in the

478
00:23:30,241 --> 00:23:34,321
Speaker 1: flesh was the night I started at DCM's nightclub on

479
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 1: Oxford Street, which would have been two thousands and start

480
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:43,761
Speaker 1: of two thousand and five, and it was my first

481
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: night there and I remember didn't know who he looked like,

482
00:23:50,521 --> 00:23:53,961
Speaker 1: didn't know what he was, how tall he was. Just

483
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,041
Speaker 1: be prepared for when he comes, because when you come,

484
00:23:57,441 --> 00:24:00,201
Speaker 1: I was told, don't be eating on the door, don't

485
00:24:00,201 --> 00:24:02,001
Speaker 1: be having a drink, don't we talk to any chicks,

486
00:24:02,001 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: don't be doing anything. If he made it there, just

487
00:24:04,441 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: stand there, look the part. And I was going, fucking

488
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: hell so and you'll know when he's coming, he'll come

489
00:24:09,721 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 1: down and there in the black ranger over so fucking

490
00:24:12,521 --> 00:24:15,321
Speaker 1: I'm standing there doing fucking you know, IDs know that

491
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,321
Speaker 1: I'm always looking, and all of a sudden, you just

492
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: hear this roar of a fucking V eight blind rain

493
00:24:20,921 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: drover coming down Oxford Street and then you know a

494
00:24:24,481 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: team and it's like, oh fuck, all right, And I

495
00:24:27,201 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: remember just before he got out the car. I'm thinking,

496
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking around place and anyone fuck off, just don't

497
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,761
Speaker 1: get out my way there, what I mean, Because this

498
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,241
Speaker 1: is my first time, I'm gonna fucking say something or

499
00:24:36,481 --> 00:24:38,761
Speaker 1: I get to see him. So I remember I was

500
00:24:38,761 --> 00:24:40,761
Speaker 1: standing there by there was a there was a hairdressers

501
00:24:40,761 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: next to the front door, and I'm stand there by

502
00:24:42,441 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: the glass door, a glass window, and all of a sudden,

503
00:24:45,761 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: I see the doors open. Everyone was four or five

504
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: people getting this rain drover and fucking old guys. I'm thinking,

505
00:24:51,681 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: which one is it, you know what I mean? And

506
00:24:53,521 --> 00:24:56,001
Speaker 1: then I'm thinking, oh, I remember. All I was thinking

507
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: is the guy is fucking known, he's got some power,

508
00:24:59,761 --> 00:25:01,881
Speaker 1: fucking heldy like everyone's shit scared of him. It's got

509
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,921
Speaker 1: to be the biggest fucker, you know what I mean.

510
00:25:04,481 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: And then I see Tongue and Sam and he's like,

511
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,961
Speaker 1: fuck this guy looking at him. He fucking mean, fuck,

512
00:25:09,001 --> 00:25:11,721
Speaker 1: I got a leather jacket on. Fuck he's a rough dude.

513
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,241
Speaker 1: Like so I'm ready for him. I'm thinking, this is him,

514
00:25:14,241 --> 00:25:16,521
Speaker 1: this is him. And I remember that the untras was

515
00:25:16,561 --> 00:25:19,561
Speaker 1: coming towards me and everyone was just shaking hands with

516
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,001
Speaker 1: everyone at all. I'm just thinking, okay, yeah, Sam. Sam's

517
00:25:22,041 --> 00:25:24,521
Speaker 1: just in the middle of to get yep him. And

518
00:25:24,561 --> 00:25:27,161
Speaker 1: I remember this guy come up to me in five

519
00:25:27,241 --> 00:25:29,921
Speaker 1: or eight five ft nine and I just go yeah,

520
00:25:29,961 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 1: like there's no there was no like yeah, it was

521
00:25:32,201 --> 00:25:34,481
Speaker 1: just like yeah. And he just looked at me and goes,

522
00:25:34,521 --> 00:25:36,561
Speaker 1: is that all you got? And I go what and

523
00:25:36,561 --> 00:25:38,881
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm John Abraham and I was going oh,

524
00:25:39,001 --> 00:25:41,321
Speaker 1: and I just I've done the second shake and it

525
00:25:41,441 --> 00:25:44,801
Speaker 1: was like I've just fucking fucked up and I've just

526
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,441
Speaker 1: gone what. And I wasn't even ready for Sam because

527
00:25:47,441 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Sam was next. And Sam just put his arm on

528
00:25:49,201 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: my shoulder and goes, hey, welcome to the Welcome to

529
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,441
Speaker 1: the club, going like this, and walked up and I'm

530
00:25:54,481 --> 00:25:57,601
Speaker 1: just fucking going, oh my fuck. After all that, it's

531
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,921
Speaker 1: the smallest dude, well not the small but in height

532
00:25:59,961 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: the smallest dude. And I fucking I fucked up thinking

533
00:26:02,921 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: it was Sam was John Abraham when it wasn't. And

534
00:26:05,201 --> 00:26:06,961
Speaker 1: then I remember he went up the stairs and I

535
00:26:07,001 --> 00:26:09,481
Speaker 1: look at everyone and anyone goes yeah like that the

536
00:26:09,521 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: way fucking could have told me which one it was,

537
00:26:11,561 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like so Yeah, that was

538
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,561
Speaker 1: the first time I seen John. The fucking still have

539
00:26:16,561 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: a fucking regret to that one. But anyway, it's his

540
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: fucking it's his presence. Man Like, once you get to

541
00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:27,201
Speaker 1: know him and you see the presence about him, it's

542
00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: it's it's an or I don't all like, it's just

543
00:26:30,041 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: it's just there, you know, Like it's entrage is him

544
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,681
Speaker 1: the way he walks and struts himself around the place,

545
00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's, yeah, he when I

546
00:26:39,441 --> 00:26:42,401
Speaker 1: seen him, you know, he's five foot nine whatever, five ten,

547
00:26:42,921 --> 00:26:46,481
Speaker 1: but it's it's he can walk like he's fucking six

548
00:26:46,521 --> 00:26:49,801
Speaker 1: foot four, you know what I mean That there's the

549
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,961
Speaker 1: confidence in his walk, the confidence in the guy, you

550
00:26:52,001 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just the way he is.

551
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: It's it's hard to put a word on it. Why

552
00:26:59,321 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: you can. He just stands out favorite memories waiting for him,

553
00:27:02,721 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: you know what. Like it's the there's not many times

554
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,561
Speaker 1: that we've gone out as friends because it was always

555
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,321
Speaker 1: hard to Like when we did, I'd always switch on.

556
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: And that's probably what always fucked it up for me

557
00:27:14,961 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: and him to go out as just mates, because you know,

558
00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: he say, oh, let's go for a drink Neil. So

559
00:27:19,961 --> 00:27:21,801
Speaker 1: then we end up going one and then I end

560
00:27:21,921 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: up switching on and watching the crowd, you know what

561
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,001
Speaker 1: I mean. So it was very hard to do that.

562
00:27:26,041 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: But my favorite times with him was, like I remember,

563
00:27:29,241 --> 00:27:33,041
Speaker 1: he if we did go out or even sometimes he'd

564
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: always make me dance. And I remember there was one

565
00:27:36,681 --> 00:27:41,201
Speaker 1: time in Bondai Hotel. It was a day club, and

566
00:27:41,681 --> 00:27:43,441
Speaker 1: I think it was back in two thousand and five,

567
00:27:45,441 --> 00:27:48,321
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, two thousand and nine. It was

568
00:27:48,561 --> 00:27:51,521
Speaker 1: it was a day club and I was there and

569
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I think it was actually my birthday and he turned

570
00:27:55,001 --> 00:27:57,721
Speaker 1: up and I was I was off my fucking chobs.

571
00:27:58,041 --> 00:27:59,561
Speaker 1: I was like off my face and it was just like,

572
00:27:59,801 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was dancing on tables, dancing on fucking chairs,

573
00:28:03,241 --> 00:28:05,681
Speaker 1: and you know, I've probably even popped a few pills.

574
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: And then and he's looking at me and he's going

575
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,041
Speaker 1: fucking getting Heil another drink, getting Neil another drink, get

576
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,521
Speaker 1: him dancing, and he got me dancing. He wouldn't let

577
00:28:13,521 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: me stop, and he fucking kept going, Neil, you got

578
00:28:15,681 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: to keep dancing, and he was loving like when when

579
00:28:17,921 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: John does that and he's cracking up, you know what

580
00:28:20,441 --> 00:28:22,801
Speaker 1: I mean, and I remember I was just fucking going

581
00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:25,161
Speaker 1: off my head dancing and he loved it, he said,

582
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,761
Speaker 1: And every time I'd stop, he goes, no, get him

583
00:28:26,761 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: sucking up, Give someone, give him a fucking pill. Really so,

584
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: but that's that's one of my memories of you know,

585
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,201
Speaker 1: when I could enjoy myself with him. My every day

586
00:28:37,321 --> 00:28:40,841
Speaker 1: was enjoyable with John, you know what I mean. I

587
00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:44,561
Speaker 1: love going to work every night, even though you know

588
00:28:44,601 --> 00:28:48,081
Speaker 1: there was some pressure or the beat dramas to me,

589
00:28:48,281 --> 00:28:50,681
Speaker 1: I just turning up. I love my job. I mean,

590
00:28:50,721 --> 00:28:53,881
Speaker 1: I love looking after him and his family. So every

591
00:28:53,921 --> 00:28:56,921
Speaker 1: memory was a good one for me. Tounguam sounds most

592
00:28:56,961 --> 00:29:00,281
Speaker 1: loyal person and a person I've ever met. And he,

593
00:29:00,481 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's the one who taught me to do

594
00:29:02,521 --> 00:29:04,561
Speaker 1: the slap. You know, I went from punching people in

595
00:29:04,561 --> 00:29:07,921
Speaker 1: the face. And I remember he seen me have a

596
00:29:07,921 --> 00:29:11,921
Speaker 1: fight outside d cms once and after the fight and

597
00:29:11,961 --> 00:29:13,641
Speaker 1: the guy ran off after I'd give him a few

598
00:29:13,641 --> 00:29:15,681
Speaker 1: punches to the face, he stopped me. It was Neil,

599
00:29:16,001 --> 00:29:18,161
Speaker 1: don't hit people like that. You leave too many marks

600
00:29:18,201 --> 00:29:21,081
Speaker 1: on their face. That's not good for the police. He

601
00:29:21,281 --> 00:29:24,041
Speaker 1: slapped them. There's no marks, there's no fucking anything. He's

602
00:29:24,081 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: knocked them out there on the floor. They wake up,

603
00:29:25,481 --> 00:29:28,041
Speaker 1: they don't know who've done it. So so after that

604
00:29:28,121 --> 00:29:30,481
Speaker 1: I said, well, yeah, he says, yeah, just open hand, Neil,

605
00:29:31,281 --> 00:29:33,161
Speaker 1: and I said, so I tried it and it fucking worked,

606
00:29:33,201 --> 00:29:35,041
Speaker 1: and ever since I've just been doing the tongue and

607
00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:37,921
Speaker 1: slam slap. But he was he was great. You know,

608
00:29:38,001 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: even when I left, we were messaging each other. He

609
00:29:41,281 --> 00:29:43,081
Speaker 1: always looked after me when I was there and when

610
00:29:43,081 --> 00:29:45,441
Speaker 1: he wasn't there, you know, I was there in his place,

611
00:29:45,521 --> 00:29:49,601
Speaker 1: but now he was the thing. The respect was there too,

612
00:29:49,641 --> 00:29:52,401
Speaker 1: because when he was there walking with me and John,

613
00:29:52,601 --> 00:29:55,641
Speaker 1: I always gave him that respect because that's John's, that's John's,

614
00:29:55,681 --> 00:29:57,601
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he walks with him

615
00:29:57,601 --> 00:29:59,601
Speaker 1: and I'd stand back, you know, I mean, out of respect,

616
00:29:59,641 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But now he was he

617
00:30:02,521 --> 00:30:04,201
Speaker 1: was a good guy. Tom was all either the boss.

618
00:30:04,201 --> 00:30:06,841
Speaker 1: I said, you know, if I wanted to pay rise,

619
00:30:06,881 --> 00:30:08,881
Speaker 1: he give me one. Didn't give me enough, though I

620
00:30:08,881 --> 00:30:13,241
Speaker 1: should have asked for more. But besides that, he was good.

621
00:30:14,361 --> 00:30:15,881
Speaker 1: He let me do my thing, and he knew what

622
00:30:15,961 --> 00:30:17,761
Speaker 1: my thing was, you know what I mean, Like looking

623
00:30:17,801 --> 00:30:20,681
Speaker 1: after him if I needed to, you know, kick someone

624
00:30:20,721 --> 00:30:23,161
Speaker 1: out or do what I did, like punching someone or

625
00:30:23,561 --> 00:30:27,401
Speaker 1: dealing with something. He didn't interfere. You know, he made

626
00:30:27,401 --> 00:30:30,121
Speaker 1: it very clear what he wanted from me, and that's

627
00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:35,521
Speaker 1: what I did. I Yeah, there was I've never had

628
00:30:35,681 --> 00:30:42,801
Speaker 1: a running with John. So my memories of John and

629
00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: my good things about him is that he was a

630
00:30:44,721 --> 00:30:48,961
Speaker 1: good boss. And I actually, you know that there are

631
00:30:49,001 --> 00:30:51,681
Speaker 1: times when I do do miss you know, miss that person,

632
00:30:51,681 --> 00:30:53,521
Speaker 1: because dinner that he was in my life for fifteen years.

633
00:30:53,961 --> 00:30:55,361
Speaker 1: So he was like a family to me, you know

634
00:30:55,361 --> 00:30:58,601
Speaker 1: what I mean, the whole family way. So yeah, when

635
00:30:58,601 --> 00:31:01,001
Speaker 1: I got out, it was hard to it was hard

636
00:31:01,001 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: to kind of like comprehend that I wasn't there anymore,

637
00:31:03,201 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I got used to

638
00:31:04,441 --> 00:31:07,401
Speaker 1: seeing them like every day, every weekend. So yeah, but

639
00:31:07,641 --> 00:31:09,361
Speaker 1: now I've got only good things to say about John.

640
00:31:09,961 --> 00:31:13,361
Speaker 1: What made me decide to get out of the circle

641
00:31:13,441 --> 00:31:17,361
Speaker 1: and working for John was the fact there was there

642
00:31:17,401 --> 00:31:22,401
Speaker 1: was no loyalty there that I found anymore. Things were changing.

643
00:31:23,041 --> 00:31:25,001
Speaker 1: There was people in the circle that I didn't trust.

644
00:31:25,681 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: There was things happening in the circle that I didn't like.

645
00:31:29,761 --> 00:31:33,961
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of jealousy within the circle

646
00:31:34,001 --> 00:31:38,401
Speaker 1: too with and it was mostly aimed at me. You know,

647
00:31:40,201 --> 00:31:42,081
Speaker 1: people didn't like the fact of how close I was

648
00:31:42,121 --> 00:31:45,361
Speaker 1: to John and his family. It just ended up that way.

649
00:31:45,401 --> 00:31:46,881
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I don't go out to try

650
00:31:46,921 --> 00:31:49,921
Speaker 1: and get myself closer to John or Party or Mick,

651
00:31:49,961 --> 00:31:51,601
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's just how it happened,

652
00:31:51,601 --> 00:31:53,881
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a trust factor, and

653
00:31:53,881 --> 00:31:57,401
Speaker 1: that's how it came. But people who watch are watching

654
00:31:57,521 --> 00:32:00,081
Speaker 1: in the circle and see it don't like it. My

655
00:32:00,201 --> 00:32:02,681
Speaker 1: motto was always I don't give a fuck who you are.

656
00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: So if you were John's best mate, if you were

657
00:32:05,761 --> 00:32:08,321
Speaker 1: John's business partner, if you were fucking I don't know

658
00:32:08,361 --> 00:32:11,281
Speaker 1: a license of John's best nightclub, you fucked up and

659
00:32:11,321 --> 00:32:13,561
Speaker 1: John wasn't there, and I see you fuck up, then

660
00:32:13,601 --> 00:32:15,761
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'll deal with my way, which could

661
00:32:15,841 --> 00:32:21,481
Speaker 1: be either fucking smashing you, maybe fucking fucking saying something

662
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:24,161
Speaker 1: to you, putting it on you. I will not back down.

663
00:32:24,801 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: And they didn't like that, and there was a lot

664
00:32:26,721 --> 00:32:28,241
Speaker 1: of people in there that didn't like it and wanted

665
00:32:28,281 --> 00:32:30,761
Speaker 1: me out because with me out that that meant that

666
00:32:31,881 --> 00:32:33,561
Speaker 1: they didn't have to deal with me, and that means

667
00:32:33,561 --> 00:32:35,761
Speaker 1: they could do things behind John's back. They didn't like

668
00:32:35,801 --> 00:32:37,921
Speaker 1: there was a there was a time I've said before

669
00:32:37,961 --> 00:32:41,641
Speaker 1: the h and trademark, you know, piano rumor closed down

670
00:32:42,681 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: for the night. John had gone home, he left, and

671
00:32:46,041 --> 00:32:49,041
Speaker 1: then it's like everyone just wants to play up. And

672
00:32:49,081 --> 00:32:50,641
Speaker 1: I remember they were all in the kitchen. There was

673
00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: about maybe fucking there's about fourteen fifteen people in the kitchen,

674
00:32:53,761 --> 00:32:56,241
Speaker 1: all drinking, getting the drinks out of the fucking bars,

675
00:32:56,641 --> 00:33:00,761
Speaker 1: snorting coke, going into the fridges where the people where

676
00:33:00,801 --> 00:33:03,801
Speaker 1: all the food was kept, and doing their drugs. And

677
00:33:03,841 --> 00:33:05,681
Speaker 1: I remember walking in there looking at them and going,

678
00:33:05,721 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you fucking toss es, and I just went, can you

679
00:33:08,201 --> 00:33:10,041
Speaker 1: always go? I remember I lost. I said, all the

680
00:33:10,121 --> 00:33:12,041
Speaker 1: funk out of there, all of you, look at yours

681
00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:13,921
Speaker 1: that and I've seen all the coke on the table

682
00:33:14,121 --> 00:33:16,281
Speaker 1: and I remember just going over and I just swiped

683
00:33:16,281 --> 00:33:18,281
Speaker 1: it and I just I don't give a fuck, stood

684
00:33:18,281 --> 00:33:20,761
Speaker 1: on all the bags of coke, fucking either gout, pick

685
00:33:20,841 --> 00:33:23,401
Speaker 1: put one, grabs some one by the neck. I said,

686
00:33:23,401 --> 00:33:25,281
Speaker 1: I'll fucking knock you, and all like this, get the

687
00:33:25,321 --> 00:33:27,521
Speaker 1: fuck out. Kicked a few people I got back to

688
00:33:27,601 --> 00:33:30,081
Speaker 1: John fair enough, but I told him what happened, you

689
00:33:30,081 --> 00:33:31,401
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's that's my start. I don't

690
00:33:31,401 --> 00:33:32,761
Speaker 1: give a fuck, you know what I mean. And it

691
00:33:32,841 --> 00:33:36,281
Speaker 1: ruffled a few feathers. There was a guy I remember.

692
00:33:36,961 --> 00:33:39,841
Speaker 1: I won't mention who he is, but you know, he

693
00:33:40,121 --> 00:33:42,121
Speaker 1: said a few nasty things and he still has even

694
00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:45,041
Speaker 1: when even when I left. And I remember he used

695
00:33:45,041 --> 00:33:46,881
Speaker 1: to hang around with John. He used to be this man,

696
00:33:47,161 --> 00:33:49,241
Speaker 1: this guy who thought he was the man of things crossed.

697
00:33:49,281 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: You know, he'd love to be John, but he fucking

698
00:33:51,361 --> 00:33:53,881
Speaker 1: has nothing like him. And he used to hang around

699
00:33:53,881 --> 00:33:56,081
Speaker 1: with in the circle. I remember he used to think

700
00:33:56,081 --> 00:33:58,121
Speaker 1: he was good, coming in his fucking good car, sporty

701
00:33:58,161 --> 00:34:01,881
Speaker 1: cars and having girls off off his side. And I

702
00:34:01,881 --> 00:34:06,321
Speaker 1: remember he told someone one night they brought it up,

703
00:34:06,401 --> 00:34:10,521
Speaker 1: he said, oh, you must work with Neil, John's bodyguard.

704
00:34:10,561 --> 00:34:12,641
Speaker 1: And he turned around to this person and said, Neils

705
00:34:12,641 --> 00:34:16,321
Speaker 1: knows bodyguard and his bodyguard. This guy's not his bodyguard.

706
00:34:16,521 --> 00:34:19,081
Speaker 1: There's just a friend. And I remember he came up

707
00:34:19,121 --> 00:34:20,601
Speaker 1: in the cross and I've seen him. He packed his

708
00:34:20,681 --> 00:34:23,521
Speaker 1: fucking I think it was he had a Lamborghini or

709
00:34:23,761 --> 00:34:27,041
Speaker 1: fucking Ferrari, one night and he turned up, walked over

710
00:34:27,081 --> 00:34:28,441
Speaker 1: and he had his two chicks with him, and I

711
00:34:28,441 --> 00:34:30,881
Speaker 1: fucking looked at him and I said, to the domino

712
00:34:30,881 --> 00:34:32,561
Speaker 1: on the front door of the Trademark, I said, you

713
00:34:32,601 --> 00:34:35,161
Speaker 1: know what, I'll deal with this tonight. I said, So

714
00:34:35,201 --> 00:34:37,641
Speaker 1: he walks over and you normally walks over, shakes everyone's hand,

715
00:34:37,721 --> 00:34:39,201
Speaker 1: knows he can walk in. I said, bro, you're not

716
00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:41,001
Speaker 1: going in tonight. And he goes, what do you mean?

717
00:34:41,161 --> 00:34:42,961
Speaker 1: And I said, you're not going in? I said, apparently

718
00:34:43,161 --> 00:34:46,161
Speaker 1: you're John Abraham's bodyguard. I said, so, do you want

719
00:34:46,161 --> 00:34:47,961
Speaker 1: to just liberate on that? Do you want to tell

720
00:34:47,961 --> 00:34:50,521
Speaker 1: these girls who you are? Really? And I remember he

721
00:34:50,561 --> 00:34:52,041
Speaker 1: looked at me. I said what I said, you're putting

722
00:34:52,041 --> 00:34:53,481
Speaker 1: on me. I said, bro, I'm putting it on you.

723
00:34:53,721 --> 00:34:56,361
Speaker 1: I said, you told them that I'm not John Abraham's bodyguard,

724
00:34:56,641 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: So you want to fucking tell me to my face,

725
00:34:58,521 --> 00:35:01,241
Speaker 1: am I or not? And he wouldn't. He wouldn't say,

726
00:35:01,241 --> 00:35:02,761
Speaker 1: and I said, well, we're going to fuck off, not

727
00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,001
Speaker 1: come in there. I remember he told John. And then

728
00:35:05,121 --> 00:35:07,481
Speaker 1: I had to fucking, you know, calm down, fucking but

729
00:35:07,521 --> 00:35:09,081
Speaker 1: I told John, I don't give a shit, you know,

730
00:35:09,121 --> 00:35:11,121
Speaker 1: what I mean like that was that was me. I

731
00:35:11,161 --> 00:35:13,361
Speaker 1: didn't care, you know what I mean, you were best

732
00:35:13,401 --> 00:35:15,961
Speaker 1: made whatever you were. If I seen that you were

733
00:35:15,961 --> 00:35:18,561
Speaker 1: doing wrong to John or his family, then I would

734
00:35:18,601 --> 00:35:22,041
Speaker 1: fucking deal with it. So I really don't know how

735
00:35:22,241 --> 00:35:27,161
Speaker 1: John feels about my podcast, my book, me doing what

736
00:35:27,201 --> 00:35:29,761
Speaker 1: I do for you know, about my life in the underworld.

737
00:35:29,801 --> 00:35:33,961
Speaker 1: That I don't know. I've never asked him. He's you know.

738
00:35:33,801 --> 00:35:38,361
Speaker 1: The only one time that he did contact me about

739
00:35:38,441 --> 00:35:40,401
Speaker 1: knowing that I was doing something was when I wrote

740
00:35:40,441 --> 00:35:43,401
Speaker 1: my book, and I remember he wrote and he messed me,

741
00:35:43,681 --> 00:35:46,321
Speaker 1: and then we were messaging each other and he just goes, hey,

742
00:35:46,321 --> 00:35:48,721
Speaker 1: are you writing a book? And I thold yeah, and

743
00:35:48,761 --> 00:35:50,681
Speaker 1: then he just goes, you know, what's it about? And

744
00:35:50,721 --> 00:35:52,361
Speaker 1: I told him about my life. And then the one

745
00:35:52,401 --> 00:35:55,561
Speaker 1: thing after that, he just said, make sure that you

746
00:35:55,681 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: let them know that I lead from the front. John

747
00:35:58,001 --> 00:35:59,761
Speaker 1: means when he leads from the front, is that he's

748
00:35:59,801 --> 00:36:02,401
Speaker 1: the man. He's not scared of anything. You know, at

749
00:36:02,441 --> 00:36:04,921
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Yeah, he's got everyone behind him.

750
00:36:04,921 --> 00:36:07,241
Speaker 1: He was uncharged bodyguards, but he leads from the front

751
00:36:07,241 --> 00:36:09,361
Speaker 1: to show that he's not scared and he's the man,

752
00:36:09,481 --> 00:36:11,641
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And that's that's that's how

753
00:36:11,681 --> 00:36:13,881
Speaker 1: true it is. You know what I mean. He'll go

754
00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:16,801
Speaker 1: into anything. He's not he's not fearful of anything, and

755
00:36:16,841 --> 00:36:18,841
Speaker 1: that's God's true. I've seen him fight, you know what

756
00:36:18,841 --> 00:36:21,361
Speaker 1: I mean, And I know I get him blue. There

757
00:36:21,441 --> 00:36:26,201
Speaker 1: was I remember the time in d CMS when in

758
00:36:25,281 --> 00:36:30,201
Speaker 1: the house room and someone pissed him off, and then

759
00:36:30,241 --> 00:36:31,881
Speaker 1: straight away he called me over and we went over

760
00:36:31,921 --> 00:36:33,641
Speaker 1: and we beat the ship out of these four guys.

761
00:36:33,641 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: And maybe he can blue. So yeah, I've seen him blue,

762
00:36:37,161 --> 00:36:38,561
Speaker 1: and I knew what it meant after that, you know

763
00:36:38,601 --> 00:36:40,961
Speaker 1: what I mean. And as I said, said after that message,

764
00:36:40,961 --> 00:36:43,481
Speaker 1: I said John in the day, that's fine with me.

765
00:36:43,561 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: You know you are you know what I mean. I'm

766
00:36:45,521 --> 00:36:47,761
Speaker 1: just telling him about my life. That's about it. But

767
00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:55,001
Speaker 1: that's the only time. So the best celebrities that I've

768
00:36:55,001 --> 00:36:57,681
Speaker 1: worked with, when they've come to Australia and i'ung around

769
00:36:57,681 --> 00:37:01,041
Speaker 1: in the Cross and King's Cross, one would be jar Rule.

770
00:37:02,761 --> 00:37:05,921
Speaker 1: He came looked after him. He was there for you know,

771
00:37:06,201 --> 00:37:07,801
Speaker 1: while he was on tour and he used to come

772
00:37:07,801 --> 00:37:10,641
Speaker 1: to John's venues. He doesn't take me back to America.

773
00:37:10,801 --> 00:37:12,521
Speaker 1: He loved me that much because he you know, I

774
00:37:12,521 --> 00:37:13,721
Speaker 1: think it's because I used to get him more than

775
00:37:13,761 --> 00:37:16,321
Speaker 1: nice girls would come into his VIP room. But no,

776
00:37:16,441 --> 00:37:20,001
Speaker 1: but he you know, we got a friendship day. Guys.

777
00:37:20,001 --> 00:37:25,481
Speaker 1: The Bastium is very good, very polite. He was, you know,

778
00:37:25,721 --> 00:37:29,361
Speaker 1: he didn't misbehave he was he was very good natty

779
00:37:29,401 --> 00:37:33,361
Speaker 1: and brewlier. She was very She was good too to

780
00:37:33,361 --> 00:37:39,961
Speaker 1: look after. But the headaches were mostly the the fuddy players.

781
00:37:40,161 --> 00:37:42,401
Speaker 1: You know, the West Tigers were sucking. They'd be down

782
00:37:42,401 --> 00:37:45,441
Speaker 1: there every Sunday in piano room and they'd be fucking

783
00:37:45,521 --> 00:37:47,321
Speaker 1: jumping on the piano and I'd have to get him down,

784
00:37:47,321 --> 00:37:49,761
Speaker 1: and they'd give you the fucking like. You know, they

785
00:37:49,761 --> 00:37:51,921
Speaker 1: didn't realize who I was or what I was there for.

786
00:37:52,481 --> 00:37:54,561
Speaker 1: You know, they probably looked at me as I was

787
00:37:54,561 --> 00:37:56,681
Speaker 1: a manager. But you know, I'm there to so the

788
00:37:56,721 --> 00:37:58,961
Speaker 1: dorman don't have to fucking lose their license and and

789
00:37:59,041 --> 00:38:00,961
Speaker 1: tell you I'm just there to knock you out, you

790
00:38:00,961 --> 00:38:02,921
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I remember telling a very well

791
00:38:02,961 --> 00:38:05,721
Speaker 1: known West Tigers who's now gone on to be fucking

792
00:38:05,841 --> 00:38:08,281
Speaker 1: a TV presenter, I told him, if you don't get

793
00:38:08,321 --> 00:38:10,321
Speaker 1: off the piano room, a piano I'm gonna fucking knock

794
00:38:10,321 --> 00:38:13,641
Speaker 1: you out. And he eventually got down. But then, you know,

795
00:38:13,921 --> 00:38:15,441
Speaker 1: a few of them came around to Car, like, what

796
00:38:15,441 --> 00:38:17,761
Speaker 1: are you fucking who are you? I just told him,

797
00:38:17,801 --> 00:38:20,241
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Let's go out time I'll remember, let's

798
00:38:20,241 --> 00:38:21,961
Speaker 1: go outside them, We'll find out who the fuck I am.

799
00:38:22,401 --> 00:38:27,401
Speaker 1: But Car Sandlans, Yeah, I got to know him very

800
00:38:27,401 --> 00:38:31,441
Speaker 1: well because he you know, he became you know, I

801
00:38:31,521 --> 00:38:34,041
Speaker 1: had something to do with trademark and piano room when

802
00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:36,641
Speaker 1: that opened up, and became good friends with John, And

803
00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,441
Speaker 1: every time he came across, John would tell me to

804
00:38:38,481 --> 00:38:40,041
Speaker 1: look after him, walk around with him, do what you

805
00:38:40,081 --> 00:38:42,601
Speaker 1: gotta do, like you're walking around with me. He asked

806
00:38:42,601 --> 00:38:44,281
Speaker 1: for me all the time, every time he came in there,

807
00:38:44,321 --> 00:38:47,601
Speaker 1: so you know, I had to bodyguard him. And then

808
00:38:47,721 --> 00:38:51,121
Speaker 1: you know, eventually, I don't know, something happened. I don't know.

809
00:38:51,161 --> 00:38:52,881
Speaker 1: There was an article in a Woman's Day. I think

810
00:38:52,881 --> 00:38:55,441
Speaker 1: it was the whay. You know, his life was gonna

811
00:38:55,441 --> 00:38:57,561
Speaker 1: get threatened, and you know, he needed me to be

812
00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:00,481
Speaker 1: protecting him and all like that. But I don't think

813
00:39:00,481 --> 00:39:02,361
Speaker 1: anyone was gonna fucking harm him, you know, at the

814
00:39:02,481 --> 00:39:06,281
Speaker 1: end of the day. But I remember walking across with

815
00:39:06,361 --> 00:39:10,041
Speaker 1: him one night, and I think it's everyone who actually

816
00:39:10,081 --> 00:39:14,081
Speaker 1: becomes friends with John. They get that they had that,

817
00:39:14,081 --> 00:39:16,201
Speaker 1: they want to do that presence where they all John's

818
00:39:16,241 --> 00:39:17,801
Speaker 1: not around, so they want to try it out to

819
00:39:17,801 --> 00:39:20,361
Speaker 1: see if they are can be John Abraham. I don't

820
00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:22,441
Speaker 1: know like he. You know, as I said, you've got

821
00:39:22,441 --> 00:39:24,841
Speaker 1: the actors who do it too. But now Carl wanted

822
00:39:24,881 --> 00:39:26,161
Speaker 1: to do it, and he was walking around and he

823
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:30,401
Speaker 1: knew that he had me around him, and yeah, he

824
00:39:30,441 --> 00:39:32,921
Speaker 1: started butching and shoving and usual his shoulders to walk

825
00:39:32,921 --> 00:39:36,081
Speaker 1: around people. And you know, people were trying to touch him,

826
00:39:36,121 --> 00:39:38,121
Speaker 1: and he said, don't touch me, so I'd have to

827
00:39:38,121 --> 00:39:40,161
Speaker 1: fucking grab him. I remember slapping someone in the face

828
00:39:40,201 --> 00:39:43,161
Speaker 1: because they took his hat off, and I felt bad

829
00:39:43,161 --> 00:39:44,761
Speaker 1: on the guy because he only touched his hat, but

830
00:39:44,881 --> 00:39:46,601
Speaker 1: you know, you can't touch his ass. And I remember

831
00:39:46,601 --> 00:39:47,881
Speaker 1: giving him a little bit of a tap on the

832
00:39:47,961 --> 00:39:51,681
Speaker 1: fucking face. And but yeah, but he was he's all right,

833
00:39:51,681 --> 00:39:55,121
Speaker 1: But he's he's a good bloke, Carl. He's not bad.

834
00:39:55,281 --> 00:39:57,121
Speaker 1: He's all right. He's always been good to me. But yeah,

835
00:39:57,241 --> 00:40:00,521
Speaker 1: mcfadin was the worst. Oh, it was a fucking nightmare.

836
00:40:02,121 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: Love the strippers, love the strippers, and I think he

837
00:40:08,001 --> 00:40:12,521
Speaker 1: was overachieved with fucking Delta. But every time she used

838
00:40:12,561 --> 00:40:14,121
Speaker 1: to come in, she used to shake her head. I

839
00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:16,201
Speaker 1: remember one time there was a big argument with them too,

840
00:40:16,281 --> 00:40:19,241
Speaker 1: and I think I must have started it, but because

841
00:40:19,241 --> 00:40:20,841
Speaker 1: I remember telling her where he was and what he

842
00:40:20,921 --> 00:40:23,521
Speaker 1: was doing, and then she wanted to leave after that,

843
00:40:23,601 --> 00:40:26,841
Speaker 1: and I think that was the time when they broke up.

844
00:40:26,881 --> 00:40:29,881
Speaker 1: But he was a freaking nightmare to look after. You've

845
00:40:29,881 --> 00:40:32,721
Speaker 1: got the ones who were in Underbelly too. I remember

846
00:40:32,881 --> 00:40:36,521
Speaker 1: Underbelly came out the Golden Mile. They used to act

847
00:40:36,721 --> 00:40:41,401
Speaker 1: like they were actually the characters. So after filming and

848
00:40:41,761 --> 00:40:44,281
Speaker 1: or the TV show was out, they'd come to Cross

849
00:40:44,961 --> 00:40:48,161
Speaker 1: and they it's like they can't just be themselves. They

850
00:40:48,161 --> 00:40:49,801
Speaker 1: have to walk around because they've done the show for

851
00:40:49,841 --> 00:40:52,721
Speaker 1: like the last six months. They're coming in now thinking, oh,

852
00:40:52,961 --> 00:40:56,281
Speaker 1: I'm John Abraham. No you're not, mate, like walking around

853
00:40:56,281 --> 00:40:58,561
Speaker 1: with bodyguard? What do you need a bodyguard for? You

854
00:40:58,561 --> 00:41:00,201
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I don't understand you know

855
00:41:00,241 --> 00:41:02,641
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, you're on TV now, but you

856
00:41:02,681 --> 00:41:04,561
Speaker 1: don't need to fucking to take one of my dormant

857
00:41:04,521 --> 00:41:07,001
Speaker 1: and walk around the cross with Yeah, that's that. Yeah,

858
00:41:07,041 --> 00:41:10,041
Speaker 1: so they were they were fucking Nightmas on the run.

859
00:41:10,121 --> 00:41:13,321
Speaker 3: Now state it's most wanted fugitive, Astralia's most wanted man,

860
00:41:13,641 --> 00:41:14,361
Speaker 3: and the most.

861
00:41:14,241 --> 00:41:16,481
Speaker 2: Of becoming Australia's most wanted man.

862
00:41:16,801 --> 00:41:20,161
Speaker 1: Until now, how did I become Australia's most wanted fugitive?

863
00:41:22,121 --> 00:41:24,201
Speaker 1: I used to do like I used to help a

864
00:41:24,241 --> 00:41:25,721
Speaker 1: lot of people out trying to get there, well, not

865
00:41:25,801 --> 00:41:27,521
Speaker 1: help him out, just I was always used in a

866
00:41:27,521 --> 00:41:30,841
Speaker 1: way where my presence would go down and see these

867
00:41:30,841 --> 00:41:32,761
Speaker 1: people neel and maybe, you know, your presence will get

868
00:41:32,841 --> 00:41:34,681
Speaker 1: us more money back, you know what I mean? So

869
00:41:34,761 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: this there's time someone got in touch with me who

870
00:41:37,801 --> 00:41:41,121
Speaker 1: lived in Wollongong and I was told that, you know,

871
00:41:41,641 --> 00:41:45,841
Speaker 1: this guy owed his dad and this guy his dad's

872
00:41:45,841 --> 00:41:48,081
Speaker 1: business partner of something like five hundred and six hundred

873
00:41:48,081 --> 00:41:50,201
Speaker 1: grand and they were going to lose their house over it.

874
00:41:50,401 --> 00:41:52,401
Speaker 1: They said, oh, can you go and do something like

875
00:41:52,521 --> 00:41:54,001
Speaker 1: you know? And I said, well, not really, I don't

876
00:41:54,001 --> 00:41:56,561
Speaker 1: really want to get involved. And then I said, if

877
00:41:56,561 --> 00:41:58,281
Speaker 1: you've got paperwork, let me have a look at it

878
00:41:58,321 --> 00:42:00,281
Speaker 1: and I'll see what I can do. He gave me

879
00:42:00,321 --> 00:42:02,481
Speaker 1: a big fucking fold there and I remember looking at

880
00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:05,801
Speaker 1: and go, okay, I'll do a few homework and see

881
00:42:05,841 --> 00:42:07,361
Speaker 1: what I can do. And I remember, you know, he

882
00:42:07,761 --> 00:42:09,921
Speaker 1: opened up a lot of shops kind of thing and

883
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:12,001
Speaker 1: pretend he was a broker from there, and then all

884
00:42:12,001 --> 00:42:13,921
Speaker 1: of a sudden closed him down. So he apparently he

885
00:42:14,041 --> 00:42:16,681
Speaker 1: ripped a few people off. Anyway, I said, listen, i'll

886
00:42:16,721 --> 00:42:20,241
Speaker 1: go down you find him and I'll meet up with

887
00:42:20,321 --> 00:42:22,321
Speaker 1: him and see what I can do. And I remember

888
00:42:22,361 --> 00:42:25,921
Speaker 1: he was in Coffs Harbor at a function and I

889
00:42:25,921 --> 00:42:27,721
Speaker 1: think it was the RSLO League club in COFs Arbor

890
00:42:27,801 --> 00:42:30,161
Speaker 1: I went to. I wasn't hiding anything like as I said,

891
00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:32,561
Speaker 1: I wasn't going down there to do anything storch or

892
00:42:32,561 --> 00:42:35,961
Speaker 1: anything like that. That wasn't my style. So when I

893
00:42:35,961 --> 00:42:37,481
Speaker 1: went there, I knew I had to give my license

894
00:42:37,561 --> 00:42:39,201
Speaker 1: in at the front door, so then you know, if

895
00:42:39,241 --> 00:42:42,121
Speaker 1: anything went pay shape, they got my license. So eventually

896
00:42:42,121 --> 00:42:45,001
Speaker 1: this guy who's father all the money to found him

897
00:42:45,001 --> 00:42:47,321
Speaker 1: in the function asked them to going outside. I was

898
00:42:47,321 --> 00:42:50,041
Speaker 1: waiting outside. I remember speaking to him. We spoke for

899
00:42:50,041 --> 00:42:54,041
Speaker 1: about maybe fifteen minutes, politely, there was no putting it

900
00:42:54,081 --> 00:42:56,401
Speaker 1: on him or anything like that. And he said I've

901
00:42:56,401 --> 00:42:58,601
Speaker 1: got no problem to talk to you. Well, maybe we

902
00:42:58,641 --> 00:43:01,201
Speaker 1: can sort out some payment arrangements. Probably everything sort of.

903
00:43:01,641 --> 00:43:03,921
Speaker 1: At first he did lie to me about things, but

904
00:43:03,961 --> 00:43:06,561
Speaker 1: when I got the folder and showed him everything, then

905
00:43:06,561 --> 00:43:09,801
Speaker 1: he came to the party and he started saying, yes, okay,

906
00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:11,801
Speaker 1: yes I did have I did do this, and just

907
00:43:11,841 --> 00:43:16,201
Speaker 1: do that. So I remember, just as we were about

908
00:43:16,241 --> 00:43:20,281
Speaker 1: to go, I said that the guy who was with

909
00:43:20,801 --> 00:43:24,041
Speaker 1: said that he wanted to go to the ATM and

910
00:43:24,121 --> 00:43:25,881
Speaker 1: check how much he had in the things. So I said, okay,

911
00:43:25,881 --> 00:43:27,321
Speaker 1: we'll go with him and check him on our way

912
00:43:27,321 --> 00:43:29,881
Speaker 1: to ya. So he went to the ATM to check

913
00:43:31,081 --> 00:43:32,601
Speaker 1: to see how much money he had in his account.

914
00:43:32,641 --> 00:43:35,121
Speaker 1: So he did wasn't bullshitting. I didn't know when he

915
00:43:35,161 --> 00:43:37,441
Speaker 1: went and did that that he asked him for money.

916
00:43:38,401 --> 00:43:40,401
Speaker 1: So he actually put it on him and said get

917
00:43:40,441 --> 00:43:43,761
Speaker 1: me money out. And I didn't know about this, so

918
00:43:43,881 --> 00:43:46,241
Speaker 1: even when he came back, he didn't tell me that

919
00:43:46,321 --> 00:43:49,561
Speaker 1: he got money. So I'm fucking I'm ready to leave.

920
00:43:49,761 --> 00:43:51,401
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, we'd had a good little meeting.

921
00:43:51,641 --> 00:43:52,921
Speaker 1: Things might get sort. He said he was going to

922
00:43:53,001 --> 00:43:55,281
Speaker 1: ring me within seven days, you know, to talk about it.

923
00:43:55,921 --> 00:43:58,241
Speaker 1: I had no clue about him putting it on to

924
00:43:58,241 --> 00:44:01,921
Speaker 1: take money off him. So when we got back to Sydney,

925
00:44:04,481 --> 00:44:07,121
Speaker 1: the guy must of like freaked out, and he's called

926
00:44:07,121 --> 00:44:08,761
Speaker 1: the coppers, you know what I mean, because he's you know,

927
00:44:09,881 --> 00:44:13,201
Speaker 1: he's been put on, took money off. So I remember

928
00:44:13,481 --> 00:44:15,521
Speaker 1: the coppers telling me, I've got to come down the station.

929
00:44:16,401 --> 00:44:18,201
Speaker 1: This is what's happened where we need to talk to

930
00:44:18,241 --> 00:44:20,601
Speaker 1: you about the situation. What's stopping in cops Harbor? So

931
00:44:20,761 --> 00:44:22,641
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, yeah, fair enough, What the fuck have

932
00:44:22,681 --> 00:44:24,721
Speaker 1: I done? Okay, maybe he's got a bit scared because

933
00:44:24,721 --> 00:44:26,921
Speaker 1: he knew who I was. I'll go and talk to them.

934
00:44:27,001 --> 00:44:30,561
Speaker 1: I went down there and they told me that the

935
00:44:30,641 --> 00:44:33,601
Speaker 1: guy who originally took me there and his father owes

936
00:44:33,641 --> 00:44:35,841
Speaker 1: the money I talk about. Maybe I think it was

937
00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:38,041
Speaker 1: seven seven hundred dollars off them. I said, do I

938
00:44:38,041 --> 00:44:41,001
Speaker 1: look like any fucking seven hundred dollars? I said, seriously,

939
00:44:41,161 --> 00:44:42,641
Speaker 1: like I've got Do I look like I'm gonna put

940
00:44:42,681 --> 00:44:44,361
Speaker 1: on for someone for some hundred dollars? I said, yeah,

941
00:44:44,521 --> 00:44:46,081
Speaker 1: he took seven hundred dollars, but he gave him fifty

942
00:44:46,081 --> 00:44:48,201
Speaker 1: dollars back for petrol. I said, well, wait, does that

943
00:44:48,281 --> 00:44:50,081
Speaker 1: really sound like me, because I don't know. I wouldn't

944
00:44:50,081 --> 00:44:51,761
Speaker 1: be giving a fifty dollars if I took fucking that

945
00:44:51,801 --> 00:44:54,041
Speaker 1: money off him. So and I said, listen, I don't know.

946
00:44:54,201 --> 00:44:56,601
Speaker 1: And then as he went on, he says, well, apparently

947
00:44:56,641 --> 00:44:59,601
Speaker 1: the guy said he doesn't know you either. I said,

948
00:44:59,641 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: so you're telling me the guy who I went down

949
00:45:01,441 --> 00:45:04,361
Speaker 1: with has told you on recording that he doesn't know me.

950
00:45:04,721 --> 00:45:06,641
Speaker 1: He said yeah. I said, well, then who's the fox line?

951
00:45:06,681 --> 00:45:09,761
Speaker 1: Then here? So any after that I've done my interview.

952
00:45:10,201 --> 00:45:13,201
Speaker 1: They said, I was sweet to go. Four years went past,

953
00:45:13,481 --> 00:45:15,841
Speaker 1: didn't there a thing? And all of a sudden I

954
00:45:15,881 --> 00:45:19,121
Speaker 1: get it. I remember it's a Sunday afternoon and the

955
00:45:19,161 --> 00:45:24,121
Speaker 1: Delhi Telegraph rung my phone and they said Neil comments

956
00:45:24,161 --> 00:45:26,481
Speaker 1: and I said yeah, and I said, do you want

957
00:45:26,521 --> 00:45:29,481
Speaker 1: to talk about the story that's about you being Australias

958
00:45:29,521 --> 00:45:32,641
Speaker 1: most Wanted. I just went, what are you talking about?

959
00:45:32,681 --> 00:45:34,321
Speaker 1: And I said, do you sure you got the right person?

960
00:45:35,001 --> 00:45:36,761
Speaker 1: I said, They said, yeah, there's gonna be a story

961
00:45:36,761 --> 00:45:40,361
Speaker 1: about you being Australias most wanted. And I said, listen,

962
00:45:40,441 --> 00:45:42,321
Speaker 1: I know you. I know the Abrahams. At the time,

963
00:45:42,361 --> 00:45:44,161
Speaker 1: we're in the paper for the Dubai. There's something going

964
00:45:44,201 --> 00:45:46,241
Speaker 1: on in Dubai that they'd all been arrested by that

965
00:45:46,521 --> 00:45:49,921
Speaker 1: Michael Abraham, And I said, is this what you wanted? Said?

966
00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:54,761
Speaker 1: Note about you? The story solely about you. That tomorrow

967
00:45:54,801 --> 00:45:58,321
Speaker 1: there's going to be a big launch called Rome something

968
00:45:58,721 --> 00:46:00,841
Speaker 1: that they're going to put all the papers and TV

969
00:46:01,041 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: that they want to find you. I said, I ain't

970
00:46:04,001 --> 00:46:06,961
Speaker 1: talking anymore. I said, so that's it. I cut off

971
00:46:06,961 --> 00:46:11,161
Speaker 1: the phone straight away. I rang my solicita. I remember

972
00:46:12,001 --> 00:46:15,001
Speaker 1: I was panicking and I was fucking sweating too, and

973
00:46:15,041 --> 00:46:17,281
Speaker 1: I fucking was losing it at my fucking my slicter,

974
00:46:17,361 --> 00:46:20,241
Speaker 1: going answer your fucking phone. I remember. He rang me

975
00:46:20,281 --> 00:46:22,361
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes later and he said, what's something, what's up?

976
00:46:22,401 --> 00:46:25,321
Speaker 1: And I just go, mate, I'm as surely smoke's wanted.

977
00:46:25,401 --> 00:46:27,561
Speaker 1: And he says laughing, and you know when you're trying

978
00:46:27,561 --> 00:46:31,841
Speaker 1: to tell someone that it's serious shit. And then he's going, blax,

979
00:46:31,961 --> 00:46:33,881
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I said, who, I've not

980
00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:35,521
Speaker 1: read anything, and he goes, make I've just got a

981
00:46:35,521 --> 00:46:37,801
Speaker 1: phone call. I said, well, I can't do anything. I'm

982
00:46:37,841 --> 00:46:40,281
Speaker 1: on a fucking cruise ship till till tomorrow. I don't

983
00:46:40,281 --> 00:46:43,001
Speaker 1: talk till tomorrow. And what I said, What the fuck

984
00:46:43,001 --> 00:46:44,201
Speaker 1: do we do? He said, no, I just go about

985
00:46:44,241 --> 00:46:45,561
Speaker 1: your day. I said, put to me, and he says, well,

986
00:46:45,681 --> 00:46:46,721
Speaker 1: Dave said, you're not going to be in the paper

987
00:46:46,761 --> 00:46:49,401
Speaker 1: still tomorrow. Go about your day to day. Relax men

988
00:46:49,441 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: who kids? So I said, okay, I'm freaking out, don't

989
00:46:53,441 --> 00:46:56,801
Speaker 1: know what to do. I go home and I'm counting.

990
00:46:56,801 --> 00:46:58,601
Speaker 1: It's like you count down the time. You're looking at

991
00:46:58,601 --> 00:47:00,401
Speaker 1: the fucking time, going oh my god, oh my god.

992
00:47:00,641 --> 00:47:03,721
Speaker 1: I remember staying up till midnight because I knew it

993
00:47:03,721 --> 00:47:06,601
Speaker 1: would hit the papers at midnight, and I'm freaking So

994
00:47:06,641 --> 00:47:09,121
Speaker 1: I remember I was waiting for the papers come on

995
00:47:09,161 --> 00:47:10,841
Speaker 1: and then I could just go into the Daily Telegraph

996
00:47:11,401 --> 00:47:14,401
Speaker 1: articles on the online. And by fucking twelve o'clock it

997
00:47:14,481 --> 00:47:17,801
Speaker 1: was fucking me front page one, page two, page three,

998
00:47:17,801 --> 00:47:20,761
Speaker 1: page four, page five page. It was like what the fuck?

999
00:47:21,241 --> 00:47:24,201
Speaker 1: And I freak out. And then then I remember I

1000
00:47:24,281 --> 00:47:26,801
Speaker 1: got my missus up. I fucking was I was roaming

1001
00:47:26,841 --> 00:47:28,121
Speaker 1: the house. I was going out, freaking what am I

1002
00:47:28,121 --> 00:47:31,601
Speaker 1: going to do with this? Is? This is bullshit. I

1003
00:47:31,601 --> 00:47:33,561
Speaker 1: remember in the morning, I got in touch from my

1004
00:47:33,561 --> 00:47:35,441
Speaker 1: a slister. He told me to go to a hotel.

1005
00:47:35,561 --> 00:47:38,681
Speaker 1: He said, go to wherever the quickest hotel is. Hide there,

1006
00:47:38,761 --> 00:47:41,601
Speaker 1: Do not go into public eye, do not do anything,

1007
00:47:42,601 --> 00:47:46,201
Speaker 1: Hide till I till I see you and sort this out.

1008
00:47:47,641 --> 00:47:51,201
Speaker 1: I remember staying there, getting out of the house, going

1009
00:47:51,241 --> 00:47:57,881
Speaker 1: to an overtel. I remember I forgot to take clothes

1010
00:47:57,881 --> 00:48:00,441
Speaker 1: with me, and I remember going out in my shorts

1011
00:48:01,121 --> 00:48:03,281
Speaker 1: and a fucking pair of shoes and just a fucking

1012
00:48:03,281 --> 00:48:05,481
Speaker 1: T shirt. And I remember saying to myself, if I'm

1013
00:48:05,481 --> 00:48:07,321
Speaker 1: gonna hand myself in tomorrow, I don't want to look

1014
00:48:07,361 --> 00:48:11,521
Speaker 1: like some typical fucking shay or fucking you know, wanna

1015
00:48:11,521 --> 00:48:13,961
Speaker 1: be fucking hardcunt. I need to go in and go

1016
00:48:14,001 --> 00:48:16,681
Speaker 1: in looking like this is not this is not what

1017
00:48:16,721 --> 00:48:20,321
Speaker 1: you're betraying me. As I remember going back to the

1018
00:48:20,321 --> 00:48:22,361
Speaker 1: fucking house to get myself. It was too late, wrapped

1019
00:48:22,481 --> 00:48:25,361
Speaker 1: had already the day. My house, my whole street was

1020
00:48:25,361 --> 00:48:28,241
Speaker 1: surrounded by fucking cops. Someone to give me up, and

1021
00:48:28,321 --> 00:48:30,521
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So I was freaking

1022
00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:35,681
Speaker 1: So I remember driving to at the time my mother

1023
00:48:35,721 --> 00:48:38,161
Speaker 1: in laws, I was driving. She lived out west, so

1024
00:48:38,201 --> 00:48:41,001
Speaker 1: I drove today and we had to go past an

1025
00:48:41,081 --> 00:48:44,161
Speaker 1: RBT and I went, oh my god, what were do

1026
00:48:44,761 --> 00:48:48,521
Speaker 1: And I was freaking. So I remember I pretended to

1027
00:48:48,561 --> 00:48:50,881
Speaker 1: be asleep in the passenger seat and I was just

1028
00:48:50,921 --> 00:48:53,001
Speaker 1: had my head there to the side so you couldn't

1029
00:48:53,001 --> 00:48:54,841
Speaker 1: see me, and then we would talk. It would just

1030
00:48:54,841 --> 00:48:57,041
Speaker 1: get past, so just in case that copper knew who

1031
00:48:57,041 --> 00:48:58,681
Speaker 1: I was, or it's been on the radar some one's

1032
00:48:58,721 --> 00:49:01,881
Speaker 1: looking for me. Got past that, got to my mother

1033
00:49:01,961 --> 00:49:04,681
Speaker 1: in law's, and then I remember we're sitting down. She'd

1034
00:49:04,721 --> 00:49:07,201
Speaker 1: know about what was going on, we haven't told it yet,

1035
00:49:07,601 --> 00:49:09,281
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we get because we

1036
00:49:09,281 --> 00:49:11,721
Speaker 1: didn't want to talk on the phone. I remember telling everyone,

1037
00:49:11,841 --> 00:49:14,961
Speaker 1: no one talk on phones. And then I remember get

1038
00:49:15,001 --> 00:49:17,521
Speaker 1: to my mother in law's and then we got there

1039
00:49:17,761 --> 00:49:20,481
Speaker 1: just as the fucking six o'clock news coming on, and

1040
00:49:20,521 --> 00:49:22,961
Speaker 1: I was spread all over Channel seven, Channel nine, Channel

1041
00:49:23,081 --> 00:49:26,201
Speaker 1: ten ABC. Don't come near this person, Oh my god.

1042
00:49:26,641 --> 00:49:28,841
Speaker 1: And I remember we had to get back from there,

1043
00:49:28,961 --> 00:49:31,841
Speaker 1: back to the overtail, and I'm freaking, and it's like

1044
00:49:32,161 --> 00:49:34,761
Speaker 1: fucking and my kids are freaking out because my eldest

1045
00:49:34,801 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: kid is like seeing what's going on. He's asking Dad,

1046
00:49:38,001 --> 00:49:39,881
Speaker 1: what's why are they saying bad things about you? For

1047
00:49:40,521 --> 00:49:44,121
Speaker 1: and I remember we got back to the hotel and

1048
00:49:44,201 --> 00:49:48,561
Speaker 1: we'd already booked in, but you still got plasmas on

1049
00:49:48,601 --> 00:49:50,561
Speaker 1: the tail on the fucking top of the lift, and

1050
00:49:50,601 --> 00:49:52,641
Speaker 1: you do You're thinking that, like, please don't go to

1051
00:49:52,881 --> 00:49:54,401
Speaker 1: one of them news breaks where it just shows you

1052
00:49:54,441 --> 00:49:57,321
Speaker 1: what's going on. And I'll get upstairs and I just hide.

1053
00:49:57,361 --> 00:50:00,641
Speaker 1: I remember the whole night, I'm staring outside the window.

1054
00:50:01,401 --> 00:50:03,601
Speaker 1: And then the next day, well he rang me during

1055
00:50:03,641 --> 00:50:05,761
Speaker 1: the night, myst listen, and he just goes handing yourself

1056
00:50:05,761 --> 00:50:08,561
Speaker 1: in at eleven o'clock. All right, I'll meet you outside

1057
00:50:08,561 --> 00:50:11,081
Speaker 1: Billwood Police Station. That morning, when I woke up, I

1058
00:50:11,121 --> 00:50:14,121
Speaker 1: remember working up. I was like fucking six o'clock and

1059
00:50:14,161 --> 00:50:16,721
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get up, and it was like

1060
00:50:17,001 --> 00:50:19,561
Speaker 1: the biggest countdown. It was like, I don't know, it's

1061
00:50:19,681 --> 00:50:21,561
Speaker 1: like your life was about to end, you know what

1062
00:50:21,601 --> 00:50:24,241
Speaker 1: I mean, Like ause, your time's going slow, but it's

1063
00:50:24,281 --> 00:50:27,081
Speaker 1: really going fast. And by the time I knew it, it

1064
00:50:27,121 --> 00:50:29,361
Speaker 1: was eight o'clock and I'd just been staying out the

1065
00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:31,721
Speaker 1: fucking window, you know what I mean. And then I go,

1066
00:50:31,841 --> 00:50:35,321
Speaker 1: I'm going out for breakfast, and I thought. I remember

1067
00:50:35,321 --> 00:50:39,081
Speaker 1: walking down to breakfast and seeing every fucking Deli photograph

1068
00:50:39,561 --> 00:50:43,081
Speaker 1: paper on everyone's table and my fucking mug shot on it,

1069
00:50:43,561 --> 00:50:45,761
Speaker 1: and I going, oh, my fuck. And I remember I

1070
00:50:45,761 --> 00:50:47,721
Speaker 1: said to my kids, can you just hide me, like

1071
00:50:47,761 --> 00:50:50,321
Speaker 1: go in the corner hopefully no one knows who I am,

1072
00:50:50,601 --> 00:50:53,001
Speaker 1: and that they didn't, but I was just like I

1073
00:50:53,041 --> 00:50:54,761
Speaker 1: had my hat. I remember, I had my fucking cap

1074
00:50:54,801 --> 00:50:56,801
Speaker 1: on and I was just hiding there in the corner.

1075
00:50:57,201 --> 00:50:59,321
Speaker 1: And then when we were upstairs to prepare to go,

1076
00:51:00,281 --> 00:51:03,281
Speaker 1: that was the longest drive I've ever fucking done to

1077
00:51:03,281 --> 00:51:06,121
Speaker 1: this day, even though it was only like twenty five

1078
00:51:06,161 --> 00:51:10,041
Speaker 1: minutes to drive to bear Wood. And I remember getting

1079
00:51:10,081 --> 00:51:13,721
Speaker 1: out that car, my kids in the back seat and

1080
00:51:13,801 --> 00:51:16,161
Speaker 1: looking at them and don't want to turn back. And

1081
00:51:16,281 --> 00:51:19,401
Speaker 1: if I'm knowing that, am I getting released or I was?

1082
00:51:19,721 --> 00:51:22,361
Speaker 1: Or I'm not getting released because you know, I just

1083
00:51:22,441 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: made major news for the past three days, and what's

1084
00:51:25,521 --> 00:51:27,481
Speaker 1: going to happen to me now? Like I'm giving myself up.

1085
00:51:27,601 --> 00:51:29,241
Speaker 1: This is gold. You know, I knew the coppers had

1086
00:51:29,241 --> 00:51:32,681
Speaker 1: been waiting for me for years to fuck up. And

1087
00:51:33,521 --> 00:51:35,401
Speaker 1: when I walked in, I remember the coppers looked at me.

1088
00:51:35,761 --> 00:51:37,721
Speaker 1: They didn't that one of them realized what the fucking

1089
00:51:37,881 --> 00:51:42,121
Speaker 1: was He went, went from the front Kiosk left and

1090
00:51:42,201 --> 00:51:44,361
Speaker 1: came back with about fucking nine people. It was like

1091
00:51:44,401 --> 00:51:46,801
Speaker 1: they just won the lotto. And I remember that they

1092
00:51:46,881 --> 00:51:50,321
Speaker 1: opened the door, led me in, and the first thing

1093
00:51:50,401 --> 00:51:52,161
Speaker 1: one copper said to me when they put me in

1094
00:51:52,001 --> 00:51:56,121
Speaker 1: the holding cells was I bought your book. And I went, oh, great,

1095
00:51:56,161 --> 00:51:57,561
Speaker 1: well can you leave the door open so I can

1096
00:51:57,561 --> 00:51:59,681
Speaker 1: do a runner? And he laughed. I remember he laughed,

1097
00:51:59,681 --> 00:52:01,081
Speaker 1: and I was just I was trying to keep bath,

1098
00:52:01,281 --> 00:52:02,321
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was trying to keep

1099
00:52:02,321 --> 00:52:04,401
Speaker 1: my sense of humor up. And I remember they just

1100
00:52:04,401 --> 00:52:06,921
Speaker 1: made me sweat it and sweated out for four hours

1101
00:52:07,161 --> 00:52:11,881
Speaker 1: in the cops station. And then they said you're going

1102
00:52:11,921 --> 00:52:15,681
Speaker 1: downstairs now to court. I said, okay. I remember slister

1103
00:52:16,241 --> 00:52:17,761
Speaker 1: had rang up and he says, we're trying to get

1104
00:52:17,761 --> 00:52:20,721
Speaker 1: your bail. But I said, but it's not looking good.

1105
00:52:21,561 --> 00:52:23,201
Speaker 1: Don't tell me that while I'm sitting in a cell.

1106
00:52:23,321 --> 00:52:24,961
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean. And we went down

1107
00:52:25,001 --> 00:52:27,241
Speaker 1: to the holding cells and the courts, and I remember

1108
00:52:28,681 --> 00:52:31,441
Speaker 1: the cops who looked after me upstairs. We're not bad, actually,

1109
00:52:31,441 --> 00:52:34,121
Speaker 1: they were all right. When I got downstairs to the

1110
00:52:33,881 --> 00:52:37,121
Speaker 1: to the to the holding cells and then and you

1111
00:52:37,241 --> 00:52:40,881
Speaker 1: got the court's owned fucking people down there. They were pricks,

1112
00:52:41,321 --> 00:52:43,161
Speaker 1: like I got down and they said, you know, they

1113
00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:44,921
Speaker 1: didn't even ask me if it was affiliated with anybody.

1114
00:52:44,961 --> 00:52:47,361
Speaker 1: This put me in a cell, and I remember they

1115
00:52:47,401 --> 00:52:50,441
Speaker 1: said strip naked, and there were still two people in

1116
00:52:50,481 --> 00:52:52,801
Speaker 1: the cells, and they told me to strip naked in

1117
00:52:52,801 --> 00:52:56,081
Speaker 1: front of them. And then one smile ass one grabbed.

1118
00:52:56,521 --> 00:52:58,281
Speaker 1: He got to got with his foot and he pushed

1119
00:52:58,321 --> 00:53:01,481
Speaker 1: it right out the door. And then he said when

1120
00:53:01,481 --> 00:53:04,521
Speaker 1: he checked me, he says, gon't get it. And I said, well,

1121
00:53:04,641 --> 00:53:07,001
Speaker 1: I can't ask my pants, and he goes, so go

1122
00:53:07,041 --> 00:53:08,961
Speaker 1: and walk out and get it. I remember he made

1123
00:53:09,001 --> 00:53:11,401
Speaker 1: me walk out the holding cell into the corridor and

1124
00:53:11,401 --> 00:53:13,801
Speaker 1: go and get my fucking pants in the in the

1125
00:53:13,841 --> 00:53:17,081
Speaker 1: stark naked and I come back in and I remember

1126
00:53:17,521 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: they didn't come and see if I wanted anything, never

1127
00:53:19,561 --> 00:53:22,881
Speaker 1: needed anything they do. And I was there for another

1128
00:53:22,961 --> 00:53:25,801
Speaker 1: three and a half hours and then I went upstairs

1129
00:53:25,841 --> 00:53:29,441
Speaker 1: the courts and I got I got bail, which was

1130
00:53:29,481 --> 00:53:32,761
Speaker 1: fucking so happy about. Just had to report in every

1131
00:53:32,841 --> 00:53:35,641
Speaker 1: every day. Did that court went for two and a

1132
00:53:35,641 --> 00:53:38,841
Speaker 1: half years to me, now like that that's the whole

1133
00:53:38,841 --> 00:53:42,121
Speaker 1: situation about why I was most australias most wanted. But

1134
00:53:42,241 --> 00:53:45,241
Speaker 1: to me now knowing what it was about, to me,

1135
00:53:45,321 --> 00:53:48,681
Speaker 1: it was it was using my profile to find other

1136
00:53:48,721 --> 00:53:53,001
Speaker 1: people on this this roaming thing that they did to

1137
00:53:53,041 --> 00:53:56,361
Speaker 1: find twenty other people, why why not use Neil we

1138
00:53:56,401 --> 00:53:58,081
Speaker 1: haven't find where the fox he been for the last

1139
00:53:58,121 --> 00:54:01,641
Speaker 1: four years. Use his profile to bump this up papers

1140
00:54:01,641 --> 00:54:05,881
Speaker 1: and everything, put me on TV next to pedophile murderers.

1141
00:54:06,001 --> 00:54:08,281
Speaker 1: And I've never had a charge on me before, but

1142
00:54:08,321 --> 00:54:10,561
Speaker 1: I'm Australia's most wanted, you know what I mean? And

1143
00:54:10,601 --> 00:54:12,601
Speaker 1: I got they did they I think they found fourteen

1144
00:54:12,601 --> 00:54:16,001
Speaker 1: people from that, including me. The charge I ended up

1145
00:54:16,041 --> 00:54:20,641
Speaker 1: with so for extortion, you know, I got like eighteen

1146
00:54:20,641 --> 00:54:22,681
Speaker 1: months where I didn't have to go to jail, you

1147
00:54:22,681 --> 00:54:24,881
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I have to do one

1148
00:54:24,961 --> 00:54:29,321
Speaker 1: hundred hours community service, which was working in working in

1149
00:54:29,401 --> 00:54:33,321
Speaker 1: Vinni's in fucking Mount Ruid, which wasn't bad. That's it

1150
00:54:33,401 --> 00:54:36,321
Speaker 1: always all right, because you know, they were they were

1151
00:54:36,321 --> 00:54:39,161
Speaker 1: good people. They looked after me. The people that were

1152
00:54:39,201 --> 00:54:40,801
Speaker 1: the girls, they were unreal, you know what I mean.

1153
00:54:40,841 --> 00:54:43,281
Speaker 1: They when they came in, one recognized me and she says,

1154
00:54:43,281 --> 00:54:44,601
Speaker 1: I know you from somewhere, and I said, oh, do

1155
00:54:44,681 --> 00:54:48,201
Speaker 1: you when you know when we're from? You let me know?

1156
00:54:48,201 --> 00:54:49,521
Speaker 1: Because I didn't want to tell anybody, you know what

1157
00:54:49,561 --> 00:54:51,841
Speaker 1: I mean. I just really I was turning up there

1158
00:54:51,881 --> 00:54:53,961
Speaker 1: and it's just like I'm looking around and it's just like,

1159
00:54:53,961 --> 00:54:56,361
Speaker 1: what the fuck? You know what I mean, Like working

1160
00:54:56,361 --> 00:54:59,121
Speaker 1: in sat Vinie's, I was hoping someone like, I don't

1161
00:54:59,161 --> 00:55:00,521
Speaker 1: know anyone who goes to same Vine's, but I was

1162
00:55:00,521 --> 00:55:02,561
Speaker 1: just hoping someone doesn't come past and go, what the

1163
00:55:02,641 --> 00:55:04,881
Speaker 1: fuck are you doing here? What I mean is how Yeah,

1164
00:55:05,041 --> 00:55:07,241
Speaker 1: I kept it quiet, but yeah, why do I want

1165
00:55:07,241 --> 00:55:11,081
Speaker 1: to do this podcast is because I want to one

1166
00:55:11,201 --> 00:55:14,521
Speaker 1: I enjoy telling. You know, for years I've been stopped

1167
00:55:14,521 --> 00:55:17,641
Speaker 1: at restaurants and bars when I'm out, Oh, Neil, like,

1168
00:55:17,641 --> 00:55:19,081
Speaker 1: tell us what was like to do this? Or tell

1169
00:55:19,161 --> 00:55:21,481
Speaker 1: us what was like DCMS? Oh my God, like, tell

1170
00:55:21,561 --> 00:55:23,601
Speaker 1: us what was like to look after John and run

1171
00:55:23,601 --> 00:55:26,321
Speaker 1: a club like that? Tell me about your life. And

1172
00:55:26,361 --> 00:55:29,201
Speaker 1: it's not just about my life. It's about the underworld.

1173
00:55:29,281 --> 00:55:31,801
Speaker 1: It's about everyone else's life who I've met in the

1174
00:55:31,841 --> 00:55:33,921
Speaker 1: process of all the years that I've done, you know

1175
00:55:33,921 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. They come on and tell their story

1176
00:55:35,521 --> 00:55:38,761
Speaker 1: instead of the media saying it portraying them, or the

1177
00:55:38,801 --> 00:55:41,361
Speaker 1: police portraying them, or you know, and everyone believes, like

1178
00:55:41,601 --> 00:55:43,481
Speaker 1: everyone looks at me and goes they think they know

1179
00:55:43,601 --> 00:55:45,481
Speaker 1: my life and you don't. You know what I mean.

1180
00:55:45,481 --> 00:55:46,801
Speaker 1: And this is what I want to come and tell

1181
00:55:47,201 --> 00:55:49,801
Speaker 1: this is this is the real Neil comings you know

1182
00:55:49,841 --> 00:55:52,041
Speaker 1: what I mean. No, I'm not. I'm not the person

1183
00:55:52,081 --> 00:55:56,121
Speaker 1: that everyone portrays, the hard caun't who everyone thinks, or

1184
00:55:56,161 --> 00:55:59,481
Speaker 1: the arrogant counts. I'm actually just yeah, I'm arrogant that

1185
00:55:59,561 --> 00:56:01,681
Speaker 1: because I do my job. But when I when I

1186
00:56:01,681 --> 00:56:03,441
Speaker 1: finished my job, I'm just Neil, one of the boys,

1187
00:56:03,681 --> 00:56:05,081
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And I want to I

1188
00:56:05,121 --> 00:56:07,961
Speaker 1: want to show that in the podcast. Also, you know,

1189
00:56:08,041 --> 00:56:10,801
Speaker 1: there's everyone else has got lives to tell who've been

1190
00:56:10,841 --> 00:56:12,241
Speaker 1: the same track as me, you know what I mean,

1191
00:56:12,281 --> 00:56:13,881
Speaker 1: And if they want to open up and come on

1192
00:56:13,881 --> 00:56:15,881
Speaker 1: my podcast and tell the story like I've told it,

1193
00:56:16,081 --> 00:56:17,921
Speaker 1: because everyone has a story, and you know what I mean,

1194
00:56:17,961 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know what I mean. And that's why

1195
00:56:20,121 --> 00:56:22,041
Speaker 1: I want people to come on my podcast and tell

1196
00:56:22,081 --> 00:56:23,361
Speaker 1: it in a way that I've told it, you know

1197
00:56:23,401 --> 00:56:26,161
Speaker 1: what I mean. Series three, The people that I've got

1198
00:56:26,161 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: on and I've I've I've looked at for season three

1199
00:56:28,601 --> 00:56:33,281
Speaker 1: is as Graham Abbot Henry. You know, I've I've looked

1200
00:56:33,281 --> 00:56:35,241
Speaker 1: at his profile for years and wanted him on my

1201
00:56:35,281 --> 00:56:38,641
Speaker 1: show for probably the last maybe two years that I've

1202
00:56:38,681 --> 00:56:41,641
Speaker 1: been working on this. You know, I've got ROBERTA Williams

1203
00:56:41,681 --> 00:56:44,961
Speaker 1: who have become very very good friends with you know,

1204
00:56:45,041 --> 00:56:47,201
Speaker 1: and her stories unreal, you know what i mean, even

1205
00:56:47,241 --> 00:56:49,961
Speaker 1: though you know Carl's not live anymore, but the way

1206
00:56:50,001 --> 00:56:54,561
Speaker 1: she portrayed her life around Carl, it's so interesting, the

1207
00:56:54,601 --> 00:56:56,401
Speaker 1: way she's now brought up her kids and you know,

1208
00:56:56,601 --> 00:57:00,161
Speaker 1: moved on from it. Yeah, We me and Heir took

1209
00:57:00,201 --> 00:57:02,401
Speaker 1: a good liking to each other and became really close.

1210
00:57:02,921 --> 00:57:05,961
Speaker 1: I've got you know, Dean Clark coming from the Bra

1211
00:57:06,081 --> 00:57:09,081
Speaker 1: Boys who have known from when he was a kid,

1212
00:57:09,121 --> 00:57:13,001
Speaker 1: coming from two d Cms. He'd always fucking pushing the

1213
00:57:13,041 --> 00:57:14,921
Speaker 1: line and fucking asked me to come and get him

1214
00:57:14,921 --> 00:57:17,161
Speaker 1: into the club with all his mates, and now he's

1215
00:57:17,241 --> 00:57:19,961
Speaker 1: become a you know, a massive member of the Bra Boys,

1216
00:57:20,001 --> 00:57:21,961
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then you've got you know,

1217
00:57:23,401 --> 00:57:28,961
Speaker 1: your managers from nightclubs and managers from Pleasure Chest, which

1218
00:57:30,321 --> 00:57:35,481
Speaker 1: is an adults, sex toys shop, whatever you want to

1219
00:57:35,521 --> 00:57:38,841
Speaker 1: call it, which will blow people's minds away. It's blew

1220
00:57:38,841 --> 00:57:40,761
Speaker 1: my mind away, and I thought it'd be interesting a

1221
00:57:40,801 --> 00:57:43,801
Speaker 1: different turn switch into the into the podcast to tell like,

1222
00:57:44,041 --> 00:57:46,441
Speaker 1: not just about Underworld, but you can say, you know,

1223
00:57:46,721 --> 00:57:47,921
Speaker 1: it is part of the un the worlds. It's in

1224
00:57:47,961 --> 00:57:50,241
Speaker 1: King's Cross and Oxford Street. But you know the people

1225
00:57:50,241 --> 00:57:51,521
Speaker 1: who go in there, you know what I mean, the

1226
00:57:51,561 --> 00:57:54,881
Speaker 1: people who actually the sleazy people, you know what I mean.

1227
00:57:54,921 --> 00:57:57,081
Speaker 1: It's not it doesn't have to be every gangster talk about.

1228
00:57:57,121 --> 00:57:59,801
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a venue that's in the

1229
00:57:59,881 --> 00:58:02,401
Speaker 1: Cross and everyone walks past and go, what the fuck

1230
00:58:02,481 --> 00:58:03,761
Speaker 1: is in there? You know what I mean? And what

1231
00:58:03,841 --> 00:58:05,841
Speaker 1: celebrities have been in there? You know what I mean?

1232
00:58:05,841 --> 00:58:08,881
Speaker 1: And so that's on there too. I've got Tracy Tracy

1233
00:58:08,961 --> 00:58:12,361
Speaker 1: Lee was a psychic, so she she comes on the

1234
00:58:12,561 --> 00:58:14,881
Speaker 1: show to help me host it a little bit. Sometimes

1235
00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:17,601
Speaker 1: when I've got you know, a certain person that I

1236
00:58:17,681 --> 00:58:19,401
Speaker 1: know has had a lot of deaths around him and

1237
00:58:19,401 --> 00:58:23,401
Speaker 1: shootings around him, she hopefully brings them through, which you know,

1238
00:58:23,761 --> 00:58:25,641
Speaker 1: I was very skeptical at the time when I first

1239
00:58:25,641 --> 00:58:29,041
Speaker 1: met her, didn't believe a shit about it. You know,

1240
00:58:29,041 --> 00:58:32,881
Speaker 1: I just when actually when I first met her, she said, oh,

1241
00:58:32,921 --> 00:58:37,121
Speaker 1: you've got your Nan behind you, and I I went, ah, yeah, yeah,

1242
00:58:37,161 --> 00:58:39,481
Speaker 1: here we go, and I just go yeah. And then

1243
00:58:39,481 --> 00:58:42,161
Speaker 1: then I thought, you know what I'll I'm gonna I'm

1244
00:58:42,201 --> 00:58:44,201
Speaker 1: gonna see how good you are. So I said, tell

1245
00:58:44,241 --> 00:58:46,961
Speaker 1: me describe my nan to me, like, because I knew

1246
00:58:46,961 --> 00:58:48,481
Speaker 1: what my nan was like, you know what I mean,

1247
00:58:48,841 --> 00:58:50,761
Speaker 1: And I knew there was a word, there was a

1248
00:58:50,761 --> 00:58:53,801
Speaker 1: certain look my nan had. And then she she went,

1249
00:58:54,881 --> 00:58:57,801
Speaker 1: she's got she looks like the Queen. When she said that,

1250
00:58:58,401 --> 00:59:00,401
Speaker 1: I went, That's how I used to portray my nan.

1251
00:59:00,481 --> 00:59:03,561
Speaker 1: You look like the Queen Elizabeth. And and I went, fuck,

1252
00:59:03,721 --> 00:59:06,361
Speaker 1: all right, you just spinned me out with that one,

1253
00:59:06,441 --> 00:59:08,001
Speaker 1: because that's how I look at my hand. And then

1254
00:59:08,041 --> 00:59:11,081
Speaker 1: when she brought people forward like Mick Howie, who was

1255
00:59:11,441 --> 00:59:14,041
Speaker 1: who was with the Comiciciro's and he and he and

1256
00:59:13,641 --> 00:59:17,401
Speaker 1: he got shot and died. You know, I've never brought

1257
00:59:17,401 --> 00:59:19,441
Speaker 1: that up with her. It's not it's not in the

1258
00:59:19,481 --> 00:59:21,641
Speaker 1: Google where you can go, oh, you know, Neil and

1259
00:59:21,681 --> 00:59:24,081
Speaker 1: mic Howie have good friends. When she brought him, and

1260
00:59:24,121 --> 00:59:27,121
Speaker 1: then then I started to really, like, you know, wanted

1261
00:59:27,161 --> 00:59:28,961
Speaker 1: on the show a bit more so. She brings that

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Speaker 1: intense thing to the show where you know it'll blow

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Speaker 1: your mind about you know, with people there who've died

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Speaker 1: and all like that, and they come across. I know,

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Speaker 1: she spun out Dean Clark a bit. He didn't really

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Speaker 1: fucking register what the fuck was going on in it,

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Speaker 1: but she's good to have one. So yeah, it's season

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Speaker 1: three is going to be fucking good. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it next week. On Secrets of the Other.

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Speaker 3: World, I could have had a different path in life,

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Speaker 3: Like my dad was murdered on the road going to

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Speaker 3: work as every day citizen. He was a normal guy.

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Speaker 1: Roberta Williams, widow of notorious gangster Carl Williams.

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Speaker 3: Ironically I wanted him in our family, so I tried

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Speaker 3: to get it with my sister. It's sad because with

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Speaker 3: my PTSD that I've suffered through other issues and through

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Speaker 3: the loss of Carl the way he was submurdered, we've

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Speaker 3: never been able to grieve. So every day is a battle.

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Speaker 3: And they all knew, of course, they knew they were

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Speaker 3: there when these paors were with him, so they seen

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Speaker 3: them with him, and then they were coming eating dinner

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Speaker 3: at my house, and they were at the birth of

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Speaker 3: my daughter, and all these people knew that he was

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Speaker 3: sleeping around. Don't ring me when I'm on the TV,

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Speaker 3: or don't ring me when I'm in the newspaper. Don't

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Speaker 3: ring me when the podcast comes out, because actually they

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Speaker 3: heard from you before