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Speaker 2: going to get to it right after these ads. Good day,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to the show. This is better than yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Mine. I'm Josha Ginsberg. I'm very grateful you're here.

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Speaker 2: I'm very happy today because Luke Heggy is coming on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough one, but you're capable of doing it,

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00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: do it fucking odd, like anyone saying would never even

429
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: think to do it. Like, if you've totally got your marvels,

430
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: you probably got a fulfilled and decent job and life anyway,

431
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: Like not that you don't and not that I don't now,

432
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: but like you know, you sort of. It's a crazy pisuit.

433
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: It's a surreal thing to be doing, and you're still

434
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: standing there going, oh, these people fucking staring at me

435
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 1: still now I'm like one of these Why is there

436
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: room for the people? Not like I'm surprised there's not

437
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 1: more hecklers Sometimes if it's not going well, why I'd

438
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: walk out on this. I don't understand what you were

439
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: saying before about crowd work comedians, which is fine if

440
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 1: you want to do that on a Netflix special for

441
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 1: an hour and a half in a room that's twelve

442
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 1: thousand people, big mad, go ahead, Even that's mad to

443
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: start with, it is nuts love about five hundred even

444
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: that's like, I've done it and it's not cool. It

445
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 1: must be so hard. It's not great to be on

446
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: a huge days like that. Yeah, it's ship house like

447
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: it's the money's way better, but it's no good different sport. Yeah, different.

448
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: I love that.

449
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Speaker 2: The idea it's a different sport, that's a that's a

450
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: good one. I was saying to someone the other days,

451
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Speaker 2: their garden, the path. You know, do you think it's

452
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: a different sport. It's like, ah, I beat you at golf.

453
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's good job. You're a great golfer.

454
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: But the idea that you know, if people are going

455
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: to those shows saying thinking what this is what stand

456
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 2: up is?

457
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Speaker 1: For me?

458
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: Stand up was always about I'm willingly exposing myself to

459
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: ideas that challenge me. Yes, and my laughter can be

460
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: either of amusement but also a shock.

461
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: At my own either bias or something suddenly being shattered. Yeah,

462
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: and for me, that's that's the best, far more interesting

463
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: type of comedy. Yeah. I think it's not dwindling. It is.

464
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: It is kind of like there's more and more people

465
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: want to be a want to go and agree with everything. Right.

466
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those that works about to get me.

467
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. Right, it doesn't exist. I

468
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: don't boy into it at all. It's the sort of

469
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: mantra of the irrelevant old bloke doing comedy and I's

470
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: trying to cancel me. They're not, but it's sort of

471
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: getting not even to do with material, I'm just talking people.

472
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: I don't want all my demographics sitting there agreeing with

473
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Speaker 1: everything I say. I think that's a bad, bad sign.

474
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: If I had all fifty year old blokes sitting there going, yeah, buddy,

475
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: you got on your matter. You know that's terrible. You

476
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: need a mix. I've got it at the moment. But

477
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Speaker 1: it's a lesson as you're getting older in life as

478
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Speaker 1: well as but particularly comedy, to slide down that you know,

479
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm a complete person, was sticking to this personality in

480
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: these opinions forever.

481
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Speaker 2: That's it I find, and I also find stand up

482
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: is a way for me to engage with ideas that

483
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: otherwise I find prickly, yes or confronting because it's delivered

484
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: as a stand up routine.

485
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a hard part. That's the hardest part is

486
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: to say something that even I won't agree with or

487
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Speaker 1: like you'd like to think people know that you don't

488
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: agree with it. You're like, fuck it, this is really funny. Yeah,

489
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. It's see what happens. And

490
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: of course you can't please everybody with that. If you did,

491
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: you'd be an average, sort of very popular comedian doing

492
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: average shit that no one remembers. Though to be able

493
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: to thread that needle.

494
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Speaker 2: And that you mentioned before that you know, you might

495
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: not know that you're on stage doing something that you

496
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: don't know is not great. I've seen stand ups on

497
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 2: stage just say stuff that's like this is maybe red

498
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: at comments red, possibly a four Chan comment thread. Just

499
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: because you're on stage saying it out loud doesn't make

500
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: it edgy. It's just a bit shit. Yeah, you're just

501
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: being kind of mean and you can't and then beginning

502
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: upset that people are laughing or taking Yeah.

503
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Speaker 1: The sort of proliferation of those style ones is kind

504
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: of muddying the water as a comedy as well, because

505
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: I've been on lineups before, and I think if I

506
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: was the audience in that, I'll probably never go to

507
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: comedy again. Wow. And I'm as culporable as anyone if

508
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: I have a shit gig or something, But it's not

509
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: through lack of trying, but the ones who are just

510
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: lazy people's times valuable wasting it with this.

511
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Speaker 2: One of the early kind of outrage machine things getting

512
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 2: fired up that I can recall was when they went

513
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: after the chaser for their make a Wish gag.

514
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a while ago. Now it's two thousand and eight,

515
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: two and seven something like that. It doesn't matter. They're

516
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: going to die anyway, which is the joke. That's the joke.

517
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: And jokes about dead children are hilarious because dead children

518
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: are the most tragic thing you could possibly imagine. Yeah,

519
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: and you know, for example, Worth my folks they were doctors.

520
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: They make jokes like that so they could get up

521
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: and go to work again the next Sure, others just

522
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: can't fucking do it, man. And it's the job of

523
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: the person on stage to weave that. Yeah, take the

524
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Speaker 2: person with you. That's the typrope part of it.

525
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Speaker 1: That's the joint. You know. You've got to get it right,

526
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: got to get that just right. It's hard. It's hard

527
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Speaker 1: to do. But just standing up there and go trans

528
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Speaker 1: people like na, you might get a couple God, you're

529
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Speaker 1: a fuck r. But that's not really what I see

530
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: stand up as. But I don't know.

531
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm an old man sitting with another old man

532
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: under his house.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It is the one the topics that are the

534
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: hardest to make jokes about. It the most satisfying to

535
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: get right. Yeah, right, if you get it right. There

536
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: was a line you did.

537
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Speaker 2: About the as was your last comedy festival show in Melbourne,

538
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: and I just I saw that show twice and I

539
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: just relished the sound of the air being sucked.

540
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Out of the room. It was about binary. Oh yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: I think it was last year. There was some pins

542
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: the only things trying to be binary at the moment

543
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, because I'm in Melbourne, the wokest of

544
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: all working places. Yeah, And it was a big room

545
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: that I don't know people that fits two hundred yeah

546
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: in that room, right, and me and four other people

547
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: just laughing, yeah, and everybody else like how you get

548
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: them one at a time. But then things like that

549
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: that are obviously little controversial or triggering. I make an

550
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: effort to get in and get out. I'm not malingering

551
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: around that and go I'm fucking right, aren't I? Or

552
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: any of this. You see a lot of that's quite indulgent.

553
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: You see a lot of comedians dog whistling agreement out

554
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: of a crowd, and even the big boys like you're

555
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: gonna tell me I'm wrong here? That sort of shit.

556
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Just finish it. Get the fuck out of there, next

557
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: next joke.

558
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: Here's he When I've spoken to him about this, he

559
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: told me, and I'd like to know what you think

560
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: of this. If he's in this mass he plays big

561
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: rooms right and plays a thousand saters. He said, I've

562
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: got a thousand people, well, nine hundred and ninety nine

563
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 2: people laughing their asses off, and one bloke in the

564
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: third row staring at me like a dog being shown

565
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: a card trick.

566
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Speaker 1: I find that hilarious. I have the opposite statistic, like

567
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: the one percent. This is amazing. See your next gear,

568
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: one by one, I'm getting them. That's a lifelong pursuit

569
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: of a massing an audience one by one. It's very

570
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: different for me. Yeah, like it's it's totally different. I'm

571
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: kind of the same. And when we did the Comedy

572
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: Festival this year, I was very grateful to stay in

573
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: an apartment with yourself and sure Woodland Sewan Woodland for

574
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Speaker 1: a while.

575
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Speaker 3: Wood lidle Woodland, he says, Woodland, doesn't Woodland Woodland whatever.

576
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: He says Woodland, and I will talk about the one

577
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: person laughing, because I would write my monologues every day,

578
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: which is a lot, but I would give you guys

579
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: the debrief the night before or when I came in,

580
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 3: you'd say how I was it. I said, I did

581
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: this one line about horse racing, and I just kept

582
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: going on about liking graphic detail about how they euthanize

583
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: a horse on the track. But as a newsreader, yeah,

584
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: going like, oh yeah, and what will happen then?

585
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: Is there?

586
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: But don't worry because in three to five minutes the

587
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: horses feet will eventually stop kicking. And I remember telling

588
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: you and Sean about it, and that there was one

589
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: person in a.

590
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Room of like sixty which is snort laughing.

591
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: The rest of them are standing staring at me like

592
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: quick up, yeah, And I was like, I don't it

593
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: was beautiful.

594
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: It's me and this one person just having this adventure.

595
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if I had a lifelong fan out of

596
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: one person from every audience, I'd be rich. Like I

597
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: don't even have one. If you get one every time, fuck,

598
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: you're flying great. Fifteen years of gigs every night, pretty

599
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: much that's a lot of fans.

600
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: But there's I think there's something to be said for

601
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: the experience of subconsciously and I've seen enough of your

602
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: gigs to know, well, I laugh at all of your

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: dark shit, because I know.

604
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: How dark you are.

605
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: But there's got to be something and I hear it

606
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: if i'm It's like when I always lived in the

607
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: States and I watch movies they laugh in different places

608
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: in the States, and I got really fascinated by that.

609
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: It's like, what am I not getting? What am I?

610
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: And I got curious.

611
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: About it, And after a while I started to laugh

612
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: in similar places. I'm like, I'm missing stuff. I'm missing

613
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: culturally significant things here. So similarly, there's got to be

614
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: something about listening to another person laugh at something you

615
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: don't find funny and go.

616
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh, hang on, hang on, what's what's going on? What's

617
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: happening there?

618
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and being taken away with the idea of laughter.

619
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Speaker 2: It's interesting watching Wolfgang. He hasn't figured out yet that

620
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: I can tell, and he's got a fake laugh for

621
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: a real laugh. Yeah, So he laughs where he thinks

622
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: he should versus when he's actually funny, and it's interesting

623
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: watching him try to use laughter as a way to connect, yeah, with.

624
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: Other people in the different from me. I've got teenagers,

625
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: fake laughs, none real. I can't buy sarcastic lay. Yeah, ah, Dad,

626
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: burst my fucking phone Haha. Here's a fun fact.

627
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Speaker 2: I once played forty eight games of Graveled across three

628
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Speaker 2: days with Luke Heggy. Another fun fact is this podcast

629
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Speaker 2: is supported by commercials. Here are some so we can

630
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Speaker 2: pay everybody that makes the show with us, and we'll

631
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Speaker 2: be back with more.

632
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Speaker 1: Heggy in a moment.

633
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Speaker 2: Not long ago, that's when it was the Central Coast

634
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: for a gig, and it was across the road from

635
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: the north of Vocus Earth Club, and there was his

636
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: photos of least surfboat cruise from the seventies. The fucking

637
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: hair and mustaches, and yes, it was an aesthetic of

638
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: the time, which was late seventies early eighties. But I

639
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: remember you pointing at those guys going men like that

640
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: used to bring people together. Yeah, when did you start

641
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: thinking about masculinity like this?

642
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Was it watching your son grom No, I mean he's

643
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's I mean, you're going to get influenced

644
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: by all sorts of stuff. But I think the contrivances

645
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: of the problem and it didn't used to have to

646
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: be looked for so much was just there and it

647
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: was fine. And the bad points of it as well,

648
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: I get it, but kind of eradicated that because it's

649
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: seen as old fashioned and anything more than two men

650
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: in us having a chat. That's probably to no good.

651
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: That's it's become a demonisation of masculinity. That's it's oh fuck,

652
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: it sounds sound like de Woker type here, but it's not.

653
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: It's men need to be together, they need to chat,

654
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: they need to debrief after a shit day of work,

655
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. You're coming straight home and

656
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: releasing all that cantankeery straight into your house. You used

657
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: to go to the pub and have a beer. You

658
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: want to get that. You don't have ten like you know,

659
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bitch about your boss, go home,

660
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: shell shark finished. It's a tough one to even broach

661
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: as a topic because I don't know how to articulate

662
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: it well enough. I think toxic masculinity is a thing.

663
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Of course it exists, but it's the term and the

664
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: concept has been grossly overused and the reach of it

665
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: is huge. Well, you get accused of being toxic when

666
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: you make any joke at all, or it just encapsulates

667
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: so much. Now, toxic masculinity. Do you know Harry Gasway,

668
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: the boxer?

669
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, amazing guy, wonderful fella he had an he

670
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: brought it up when he came on the show. He

671
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: talked about there's mature and immature masculinity rather than toxic

672
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: and healthy. Yeah, previously I'd been using healthy and unhealthy

673
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: masculinely because I like the idea of toxic. I think

674
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: it's when you throw masculinity at the back of it.

675
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: It's like, whoa, It's just an easy.

676
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Bucket of mind to throw and it gets set about

677
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: my stand up, it gets set about some of those

678
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: bottle ass sketches I do with Cam Night. Yeah, just

679
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: stuff like that's just this toxic Yeah, I'm just read

680
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: between the lines a little bit. Maybe we're poking fun

681
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: at the old whatever. I don't know what they've construed. Yeah,

682
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: it's a big topic.

683
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: I see guys and in the mid late twenties by now,

684
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to say that they're captured by

685
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: some of this stuff. But if you've spent the last

686
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: ten years of your life, which is it's about about

687
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: ten years about twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, is when that

688
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: whole the kind of the canceling really kind of showed up,

689
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: and the fragility and an inability to deal with uncomfortable ideas.

690
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'd demand that you stop your idea because

691
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: I can't deal with your idea, so you should stop.

692
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: But this pushes these people. It makes them feel like rejects,

693
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: or it pushes them underground. They go searching for an

694
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: online funck with to learn what actual toxic masculinity is.

695
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: They'll be guided by five hundred dollars a month, and

696
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: they're not not surrounded by enough men young boys anymore

697
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: to be able to because community is like a lot

698
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: more desperate in the city. You don't know your neighbors,

699
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: your uncles live in another city. If it's fucking hard

700
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: to be around, like teenage boys generally have their dads

701
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: who they don't really listen to, and teachers, and there's

702
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: not that many other men around, and I think they

703
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: need to be around and often. And you've spoken about

704
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: this too. They'll go looking for I don't know who

705
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: those blokes are online, but there's lots of don't say

706
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: their names, there's none of them. Yeah, there's heaps. Yeah,

707
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: YouTube algorithms will fucking send them to you. That's far

708
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: more dangerous than having a boy and man, you know,

709
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: laugh at the beach about something stupid or whatever it is.

710
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Say, for example, if you're see one video about the

711
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: inside of a weeely bin on a hot Queensland day

712
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: and there's Ibis in there with you trying to get

713
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: the bingjuice.

714
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: Soon enough you will believe.

715
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: That the entire world is the inside of a weely

716
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: bin on a hot Queensland day, while you're constantly being

717
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: packed out by Ibis.

718
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Because you never take your head out long enough.

719
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to come back from. Yeah, and then you

720
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 2: start making decisions from that space. I was talking about

721
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: like the guys in their late twenties, and I understand

722
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: how they've ended up like this. I'm listening to these

723
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: dudes and yeah, they're selling courses and they're selling shit

724
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: like that. The young fellas just become Plato.

725
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's stuff that used to just happen.

726
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: Like you just live in life. You don't need to

727
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: have all these courses and things and contrivances on how

728
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: to do this and you know on how to be

729
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: a man and all that's just fucking do it. Just

730
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: live life. See what happens. It's all those outside of

731
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: internet shit that that's a big problem for teenage boys

732
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: like we're saying, but you know, if you just live

733
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: in life and being busy, you'll figure it out.

734
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: Do you think what you described earlier about the misbehaving

735
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: Heckler and the crowd kind of self regulating that, yeah,

736
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: is a microcosm model of what it is you're talking about. Like,

737
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: if there's enough men together, that's someone's been a fuck with, Yeah,

738
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: it'll or someone's taking people on a path that hey,

739
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: I don't know about this, and two or three are following,

740
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: there's enough people are going I don't know, dude.

741
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless they're all fuckwards, unless all self regular you've

742
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: got to figure that out. But you don't also want

743
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: and this ties in as well with consequences. When you're young,

744
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: you want to have a little bit of danger and

745
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: you want to have a little bit of fuck up.

746
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: Otherwise you get to twenty, go in and bit smarter

747
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: us and someone with a massive arm will punch you dead.

748
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of young blakes are watching

749
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: that fighting too, though, Like that couldn't be bigger at

750
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: the moment, that fighting. Yeah, and it's not for me,

751
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: but it's it's I don't know, I don't know, the

752
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: long term sort of consequences of that are unknown. I'm

753
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: not talking about the guys getting bashed. The consequences of

754
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: that are fairly evident within a couple of years. But

755
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: like the people watching it, they're like bang for blood

756
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: and this and that, like it's creat it's a it's

757
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: an angry man thing to be doing. To watch it, yeah,

758
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: to participate in it, I don't know.

759
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: I started taking the Wolf to jiu jitsu about the

760
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 2: last six months or so.

761
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: We go on a Saturday.

762
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: For the first four or five months, I was on

763
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: the mat with him, rolling around with him. And even

764
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: when they're little, like from four, they'll start three and four,

765
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: they'll start them and it's they. It was a to

766
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: get him used to kind of being pushed around a

767
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: bit because.

768
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: I had brothers. I had brothers, like I knew what

769
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: it was to be jostled.

770
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: But he doesn't really have anyone that jost him around it,

771
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: so it comes as quite a shock, and so we

772
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: throw each other around on the mat is really fun.

773
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: Getting arm barred by a four year old is really fun.

774
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: Getting armlocks like no, no, no, don't push, you will breakmail.

775
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: But I know you're fore but you'll do it. But

776
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: there's something about if you're on that mat to ascend

777
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: through this through jiu jitsu. From what my experience of it,

778
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: humility is a part of the bargain. You have to

779
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: tap out, even someone smaller than you, you have.

780
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: To tap and go.

781
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: You've bested me, you actually have if you want to

782
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: get any belts, if you want to get any further,

783
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: you'll have to be humbled enough times before you get

784
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: good at it. And so I think the guys that

785
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: actually participate in the you know, the octagonal fight games,

786
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: they're not going to start any shit because they don't

787
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: know who's capable of what.

788
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: The guys that think they are, they're the ones, yeah,

789
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: the ground, it's some white jeans and stuff out there screaming.

790
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: They're the ones out in public who've watched something they

791
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: think I can do that and it's dangerous. Oh man,

792
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: I saw it. And also I find it sickening. It's

793
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: not for me to watch. I've seen a bit of

794
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: street vile. It's sick and I don't want to see

795
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: it organized either. I saw enough as a roady. I

796
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: saw enough pub violence early on. It's awful, the sound

797
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: of it, that everything, it's not good. I went to

798
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: a title fight one in Las Vegas, a boxing match. Yeah,

799
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: the sound of the glove hitting the man's face. I

800
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: mean that's boxing has become like ballet now. It's like

801
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: it's much gentler than that other stuffy it's sort of

802
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: and it's faded in popularity as well, as was evidenced

803
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: by the other day when the kid beat up an

804
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: old man. Yeah. Yeah, actual boxes must be same way

805
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: I feel about side door fucking comedian. It's just coming

806
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: in and it is what comedy is everyone but exacerbated

807
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: because that's the same thing they're doing. Yeah, they can't

808
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: make a bark, train their arses off their whole lives.

809
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: And some kid who does pranks on YouTube, Yeah, is

810
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: now the highest paid fighter in the world or something.

811
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: Have you ever done it? I have. It's hard as shit. Yeah, yeah,

812
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: and you are. That's the other thing about blokes I

813
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: reckon they can do it. Try fighting on the street

814
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: for more than twenty seconds. Will say you are.

815
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 2: There's a reason that there's all they're skipping and you know, stairs,

816
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: stair sprints, in training montages.

817
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if your cut, you are fucked. Oh man, it's exhausting.

818
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've gone up and around and all over the place.

819
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about your comedy festival show, which you

820
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time getting ready for. I have

821
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: had people on this show. I'll speak to them in January. Okay,

822
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: you know about.

823
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: Oh write it yet? Yeah? Yeah, it is fucking six

824
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: weeks away. How could you possibly? Did you really back

825
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: yourself that much? You can go out there with untested material,

826
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: likability and people love that, right, people love them already

827
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: probably if they're popular and get away with whatever you want.

828
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: But that can can't do that if people Yeah, but

829
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: if people are buying your ticket, they know hopefully who

830
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: you are.

831
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: Surely that does a bit of wit. Yeah, but who

832
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I am is on stage a lot of material, Like

833
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: you got to back it up. I couldn't go and

834
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: just go hey you go. Yeah, that's how I feel today.

835
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: And I had a really really long winded story with

836
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: maybe one joke at the end. There's ten minutes gone.

837
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: What's your name? I just I don't know. I don't

838
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: have another way to do it. Yeah, I f lets

839
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you leave the house in that tie? Yeah, I had

840
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: a tie once. I just left it, tied it up

841
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: for four years. It was high school yeah, yeah, that's

842
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: you surprise how popular that shit is. People love it.

843
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I start as soon as I can try. I've always writing, yeah,

844
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: trying to get it right. It's never right. Even at

845
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: the end you're like, it's still not fucking right.

846
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: What would you say to people about when you put

847
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: the pen down, when you're like, Okay, I'm just gonna

848
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: have to launch, just going to do this, You're gonna

849
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: have to walk out on stage and do it. Yeah,

850
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: what would you say about just, you know, the fear

851
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: that's stopping you from testing a thing, whether it be

852
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: a recipe we're talking to someone at worker, an idea

853
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: at work, or you know, the way of talking to

854
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: your kids.

855
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: Just keep failing, Like, just fail so much. I fail.

856
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm going out tonight to fail with some new material.

857
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: I need to just ditch your ego do the job.

858
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have advice in that respect.

859
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I don't think stand up's very specific thing that I do,

860
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: and it's crazy thing to do, Like it's a fucking

861
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: mad pursuit. I'm loath to give advice about comedy to

862
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: too many young blakes because they all fucking do it.

863
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: What they want is a shortcut. Not really advice on

864
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: how to be a good comedian, because I don't have

865
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: any I'm fifteen years in. I'm still paying the rent

866
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: month to month sort of thing. Go out five minutes

867
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: at a time, five nights a week and take it

868
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: in the face. Yeah, do that for ten years and

869
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: come and see me. I'll tell you about phase two.

870
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to that. How do I get to

871
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: where you are right now? Tomorrow I'll do some brown naising,

872
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not privy to that. Get some muscles,

873
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: get pretty. I don't give a fuck. Nothing to do

874
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: with comedy. Put a towel on your head, pretend to

875
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: be your wife and do a video. Man, that's pretty big.

876
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: That stuff good. Imagine if comedy it's good stuff. People

877
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: love it, like appeal to I can't appeal the massive

878
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: amounts of people. I've got a set audience number. They

879
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: don't have any fucking friends, and it's stagnosed, the same

880
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: people who come every year, and that's it, and it's

881
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: pretty limiting. So I don't know. It's a bad business

882
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: if you want to look at a lot of that.

883
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: But it's really good fun. It's always as piracial having

884
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: the show, expand change, do something else, do the stuff

885
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: that people like. I've got to find a way to

886
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: come and do comedy first of all, Again, I don't

887
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: know how it's good. Fun it is and there's something

888
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: about you know, you mentioned that it's a terrible pursuit.

889
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: Only financially, I'm being facetious. It's a great thing to do.

890
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: I love it. Connecting with people through performance is something

891
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: that I really enjoy.

892
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: Well.

893
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Story club that's fucking good. Labor intensive too, though you'll

894
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: write in stories as much as I would write stand up. Yeah,

895
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: to make it engaging good and all funny or you know,

896
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: pertinent whatever, all the things you got to hit for

897
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: story clubs. Fucking odd had one eyes. It was fucking odd.

898
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: It took days, mate, fucking rass copper Less. I'll show

899
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you something after this. She ended her story singing the

900
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Baywatch theme song, holding a photo of David Hasselhoff, and

901
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: it was the whole crowd was singing with it, and

902
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: it was just glorious. It was so nuts.

903
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved every second of it.

904
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: But just what you want out of a night out,

905
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: like a live performance, that people feel like that it're

906
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: getting something that they haven't. They can't get watching TV nah,

907
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: And that's where comedy is the best. And that's that's

908
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: really it.

909
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter where you are in the country,

910
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: there will be some stand up at some point.

911
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, if you're in Wagga, there'd be

912
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: one every week. In Wagan you could find some blokes

913
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: they're doing stand up once a week, just fucking go.

914
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: Go and check it out, go along, and if only

915
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: to support these people that might start speaking of their

916
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: experience in your town on a no more national scale

917
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: and getting ideas out because like I said, it's an

918
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: incredible delivery system of ideas, so people otherwise would be closed.

919
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Off to those ideas. But it's also like, what are

920
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: you going to know to watch another episode of land Man?

921
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: Which is great, yeah, but do you really need to

922
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: watch for tonite? They yeah, fortnite, they're all we're waiting

923
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, go on. I mean I say that

924
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: all the time. It's so much better live. But then

925
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I didn't really see any live stand up till I started, like,

926
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm as guilty as anyone, right, But I think it's

927
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: on the rise as a popular culture thing. Stand up

928
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: a lot more people aware that it's on and it's good.

929
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: But Australians would go maybe once a year, right, stand up,

930
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: and so they're peaking a big name act generally, do'll

931
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: give Seinfeld four hundred bucks. You get to ten fucking

932
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: shows for that more twelve shows and see twelve different

933
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: Australian acts, which is yeah, it's a kick in the teeth,

934
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: but whatever, you're not going to battle Land. It's why

935
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: people go to fucking cold Play instead of ten local bands.

936
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, same concept, you know what, you're going to

937
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: get stuff from back when you were happy. In fact,

938
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: that should be the name of your show next year.

939
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Here I come with some nineties humor, pure pure, Yeah yeah,

940
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: and they just shift it to two thousands and five

941
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: years from now and they shift it a little bit later. Yeah,

942
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: we'll just keep going. Let's get get the SAWNA.

943
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, mate. That was Luke Heggy.

944
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: You can check out his podcast with Nick Cody Midflight Brawl,

945
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: which is amazing. I never ever ever miss it. His

946
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: new tour is called Yuck. I've heard some of the

947
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: new material.

948
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: It's very good.

949
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: He does cross into some of the masculinity stuff you

950
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: heard of speaking about It is really really good stuff

951
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: and it does what I think comedy should do.

952
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: It. It's an accessible.

953
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Way to have ideas that challenge you brought to your attention,

954
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: and if you do it with a laugh, that's a

955
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: kind of a way to short circuit some biases that

956
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: otherwise might exist and have people not want to listen

957
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: to what somebody else has to say. Grot his last

958
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: tour is on YouTube right now. To check that out

959
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: and you can have a look at what you're in for.

960
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: But go check out his tour. Probably Adelaide friends already,

961
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: but he'll be hitting Melbourne and then touring around the country.

962
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the show notes if you.

963
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Do want to see some live comedy before that, be

964
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: in the same room as me night the March Factory Theater.

965
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: Tickets for the next Story Club are on sale right now.

966
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: If you can't make it to the show, if you

967
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: live in another part of the country, you are in

968
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: luck because Story Club also has a sub stack which

969
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: you can get on board and for a very small

970
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: subscription you can watch that We film every story and

971
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: you'll be able to see and hear all the stories

972
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: as told live to an audience. You can get all

973
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: those details in the show notes as well as tickets

974
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: in the show notes, and I'd love to have you there.

975
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Thanks so much to everyone help me make the show today,

976
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: thanks to Adam Anddell. I'll see you Monday.