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Speaker 1: Well, Hello, fans of friends, listeners of these podcasts, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us today on healthy Ish. Yes the

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Speaker 1: podcast from Body and Soul. I'm your host of Felicity Haley,

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Speaker 1: and joining us today is the delightful, inspirational Elizabeth Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: She of course is the author of ten books, including

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Speaker 1: you know the one, Eat, Pray, Love, which, together, well

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Speaker 1: all of her books together have sold more than twenty

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Speaker 1: five million copies worldwide. So she is going to discuss

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Speaker 1: this tag of guru because she certainly is one to

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Speaker 1: many women, myself included. She is going to share more

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Speaker 1: on that and also her daily habits for mental health.

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Speaker 1: Now listening to our sister podcast Extra healthy Ish, where

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Speaker 1: she discusses how we can all lead a more creative life.

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Speaker 1: You can catch that one where we get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: With Gilbert.

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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on Healthyish. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Felicity. I'm so happy to be here with

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Speaker 2: you now.

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Speaker 1: I think I have to call you a personal growth guru.

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Speaker 1: You're what, You're a guru. You're not just a just

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Speaker 1: a self helpy type person. I mean, you really help well.

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Speaker 1: You have helped so many women sort out lots of

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Speaker 1: life shit.

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Speaker 2: How does.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially mate, how does the guru tags sit with you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think anybody like sets out to become

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Speaker 3: a guru. I you know, I laughed when you said

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Speaker 3: to help so many women sort out their shit, because

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's been the journey of my entire life,

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Speaker 3: is to try to figure out how to sort.

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Speaker 2: Out my shit.

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Speaker 3: And I think I've done that publicly and and so

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Speaker 3: if that makes me a guru, what I'm really just

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Speaker 3: doing is relaying what I went through, how it felt,

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Speaker 3: what didn't work, what might work, and sharing it with people.

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Speaker 3: And so I guess it's more just about I don't know,

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Speaker 3: I think the group. Some of the greatest lessons I've

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Speaker 3: ever learned have been from people who are generous enough

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Speaker 3: to do their learning in public when it came to

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Speaker 3: getting over their failures and insecurities and fears.

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Speaker 2: And so I just like to do that too.

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Speaker 1: Well, you do a mighty fun job of it. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you, have you always been? I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: so insightful in many ways, and perhaps can articulate that

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Speaker 1: insightfulness to the rest of us. Have you always been

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Speaker 1: like this or is it something that you've cultivated and

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Speaker 1: worked on over the years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I've always been hyper verbal, and I

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Speaker 3: was a really you know, avid book reading kid and

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Speaker 3: also a very talkative kid. And I come from a family,

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Speaker 3: especially in my dad's side, where people are just incredible storytellers.

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Speaker 2: That goes along with the alcoholism, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's like some of the stories my not necessarily be true,

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Speaker 3: but they're exciting, you know. And so I definitely always

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Speaker 3: felt very comfortable in the land of words. That's not

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Speaker 3: the same thing as having insight, though, Yeah, And I

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Speaker 3: think that the insight has sort of been earned through

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Speaker 3: a deeper, kind of like a more base note sort

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Speaker 3: of part of myself, which is the hunger for the

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Speaker 3: end of suffer.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of a more succinct way to put it,

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Speaker 3: but this feeling of like there's there's existential pain, there's fear,

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Speaker 3: there's despair, there's shame, and what where.

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Speaker 2: Indeed shall comfort be found? You know?

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Speaker 3: And and the search for that I think has been

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Speaker 3: where the insight has come. But the hyper verbal reading

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Speaker 3: and talking audio part of it has always.

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Speaker 1: Been well, You've done well to perhaps connect the two

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Speaker 1: in many ways. You know. It's something that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people fail to do talks through some daily habits

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Speaker 1: and things that you do to stay well. I mean inward,

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Speaker 1: to go intoward, to connect to that insight, the internal insight.

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Speaker 3: So I'll have to start by saying that most days

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Speaker 3: I wake up feeling mentally ill. And I don't use

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Speaker 3: that term lightly, but like really oftentimes I wake up

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Speaker 3: feeling like I just got shot out of an anxiety canon.

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Speaker 3: And the first thought I have is I'm already behind.

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Speaker 2: There's not enough.

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Speaker 3: Like the first waking thought is like, there's not enough

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Speaker 3: time for anything. Life is chasing me like a tiger,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like that's how I feel most days.

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Speaker 2: And that's how I felt most days of my life.

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Speaker 3: So but if I do these things, these practices that

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Speaker 3: I've developed and found over the years, the tiger stops

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Speaker 3: running after me, and the day feels like counterintuitive. But

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Speaker 3: the main thing I do is is give myself time

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Speaker 3: that I don't believe I have to go inward, and

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Speaker 3: that is through meditation and prayer and writing myself a

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Speaker 3: daily letter from the spirit of unconditional love, telling myself

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Speaker 3: everything that I wish somebody very wise and loving would

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Speaker 3: tell me, so sort of like a very reassuring check

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Speaker 3: in with my higher consciousness as opposed to my lower consciousness,

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Speaker 3: which is screaming that we are all doomed. And so

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Speaker 3: it's really best if I slow down and access a

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Speaker 3: voice that may have some guidance and some reassurance that

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Speaker 3: perhaps we are not doomed before I launch myself into

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Speaker 3: the day. And I also I try to I try

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Speaker 3: to do yoga every day. I don't necessarily do it

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Speaker 3: every single day, but I do it most days. And

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Speaker 3: then one of my favorite acronyms for God is good

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Speaker 3: go outdoors, you know, And another one of my favorite

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Speaker 3: acronyms is good orderly direction. And so honoring myself enough

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Speaker 3: to demand that space and that time to be able

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Speaker 3: to do those practices has been a really big part

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Speaker 3: of my evolution.

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Speaker 1: There's something about the g idea, like that acronym that

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Speaker 1: brings so much joy. Do you get joy outside?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: What other things perhaps bring you joy in life too?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna till this is just for you. Our listeners

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Speaker 2: can't hear this, but there's one. There's my little dog

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Speaker 3: Her new bed, and she's a really good reason to

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Speaker 3: go out towards Yeah, and she's like, I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: got my hand on her right now while I'm talking

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Speaker 3: to her. As much as possible, I like to never

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Speaker 3: be separated from her.

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Speaker 2: She likes to never be separated from me.

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Speaker 3: And she's a little teeny tiny thing because I had

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Speaker 3: to get a travel sized dog because I travel so much.

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Speaker 2: But she's an athlete.

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Speaker 3: And where I live in New Jersey is a really

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Speaker 3: rural place with a lot of woods, and so we

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Speaker 3: go to the woods.

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Speaker 2: And we run and we trail run together.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's making me at the age of fifty five,

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Speaker 3: she's getting me into the best my life because she

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Speaker 3: just she runs ahead and then looks back.

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Speaker 2: Like come on, come on. It's kind of like she's

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Speaker 2: the best coach in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately she probably won't come to Australia. So no, no,

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Speaker 1: tell us, what's coming up in Australia. Why are you

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Speaker 1: coming here? What can we expect from your tour?

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Speaker 3: Well, I used to come to Australia every single year

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Speaker 3: for a really long time, and the last time I

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Speaker 3: was there was at the very beginning of the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the last memory that I have in Australia

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Speaker 3: is jumping into an uber and fleeing to the airport

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Speaker 3: with my bags hastily packed and no flight home because

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Speaker 3: I had just heard a rumor from our dumb former

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Speaker 3: president that he was closing the airports, which he didn't

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Speaker 3: end up doing, but anyway, so I made a pact

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Speaker 3: that I would like to.

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Speaker 2: Go back to Australia. But it's a little calmer, and

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Speaker 2: now it seems to be. Now it seems to be

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: So I I'm going to come in February and I'm

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Speaker 3: going to do a multi city speaking to her. I'm

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Speaker 3: also going to be doing something I have never yet

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Speaker 3: done in Australia, which is teach a weekend long creativity

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Speaker 3: workshop that I love to teach and that I have

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Speaker 3: taught all over the world but haven't yet done there.

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Speaker 3: And that'll be in Sydney. But the rest of the

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Speaker 3: events will be sort of evenings where I'll give a

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Speaker 3: talk and I'll tell stories, and then we'll do Q

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Speaker 3: and A and we'll just be together. And as I

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Speaker 3: always say, it's always better if you're there, So come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we look forward to having you in a Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's very calm here, so yeah, we look forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing you then thanks lids for joining us on healthy Ish.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, if you want to join me and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other women and no doubt men listens to her.

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Speaker 1: She is hitting Sydney for those creative workshops, Melbourne, Brisbane,

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Speaker 1: Hobart and Adelaide. I will leave a link to all

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Speaker 1: her shows in the show notes. If you did enjoy

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