WEBVTT - Sharri | 15 July 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:03.159 Live on Sky News. 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:05.000 This is Shari. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.319 Good evening and welcome to the show. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.400 I'm Danikiti, Giorgio filling in this week for Shari Marksen 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.720 coming up tonight. The nauseating charm offensive continues. Our Prime 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.760 Minister cuddles up to China. But what did he actually 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:20.520 raise with the Chinese President? 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:20.960 Today? 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.600 Unions push for a Gillard style carbon policy to lower 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.560 the cost of net zero. Bartaba Joyce is standing by 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.560 ready to fire up. Is this shaping up as the 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.000 first broken promise of Labour's new term? First the Treasurer 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.080 tells us he's relaxed about tax hikes and now it 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.640 seems he's open to the idea. And Donald Trump issues 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.320 Vladimir Putin with a fifty day ultimatum end the war 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.360 in Ukraine or face one hundred percent tariffs. But first tonight, 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.000 hard conversations needed to be had today when the Prime 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.320 Minister met with Chinese President Shijing Ping in Beijing. But 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.560 judging by the Prime Minister's press conference after, Albo is 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.840 just cuddling up to China. 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.000 And I'll show you that in a moment. But look 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:07.640 it was all smiles. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.760 Today and her boy was like watching two lifelong best 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.640 friends fall and over each other. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.839 With joint efforts from both states, the Channel Australia relationship 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:26.360 has rouse from the setback and turned around, bringing tangible 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:32.319 benefits to the Chinese and Australian peoples. The most important 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.280 thing we can learn from this is that a commitment 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:41.720 to equal treatment, to seeking common ground while sharing differences. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:48.880 I note your comments in your opening remarks about seeking 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:54.520 common ground while sharing differences. That approach has indeed produced 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.760 very positive benefits for both Australia and for China. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.120 Has it really all that common ground? Anthony Albanese even 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.640 posting this picture of the two of them getting excited 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.280 by that shared common ground, except, of course, this is China. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.959 We are dealing with our greatest strategic threat and there 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.320 isn't a lot of common ground to work with. Remember 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.160 the live fire drills off our coasts, the spy ships 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.520 sent our way, the military near missus, the punative tariffs 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.919 on Australian goods, and a lack of investigation into the. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.399 Origins of coronavirus. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.520 Even today, a group of Australian TV journalists, including from 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.680 Sky News, were blocked from getting on their bus by 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.679 local security officials before that meeting began and were told 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.840 to hand over their footage for viewing by Chinese police, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:49.200 and luckily Australian embassy officials successfully intervened. What was that 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.920 again about common ground? In fact, I am willing to 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.040 bet Anthony Arbanzi went into the meeting with President She 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.400 with a shopping list of grievances between our two countries, 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.280 barely said Boom, and judging by his press conference after 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.120 the meeting, it doesn't really leave you with much hope 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.480 as to how strongly he prosecuted the issue of live 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.520 fire drills and spy ships. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.600 Did you seek assurances that Australia would be better informed 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:22.400 in future about the PLA's navy in Australian waters? And 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.840 has China asserted its right to free navigation in those waters? 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:31.200 Yes to the former. And secondly, in response, of course 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:38.080 it was president she said that China engaged in exercises 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.480 just as Australia engages in exercises. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.560 Well, look good to know what she said, So you 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.440 know all must be okay? Then why is the Prime 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.480 Minister acting as a mouthpiece for the president. So the 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.640 journalist then sought classic for clarification. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.440 So can I just clarify on that answer that you 0:03:55.480 --> 0:04:01.360 specifically thought that the notification was really issue that Australia 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:02.440 had had earlier in the year. 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.640 I said what I said at the time, which was 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.480 that it was within international law. There was no breach 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:15.480 of international law by China, but that we were concerned 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:20.080 about the notice and the way that it happened, including 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.920 the live fire exercises. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.359 Oh well, that settles it, then, doesn't it. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.600 The live fire drills were all above board, and so 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.120 the journalists sought clarification again. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.680 And once again the answer was just as bad. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.400 The military build up and what its purpose is, what 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.400 china strategic and military aims. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:47.920 Are, well, you would be surprised if that was brought forward. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.280 I'm not sure what you're getting out of what you're 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:56.640 suggesting might be. So I'm not sure the context. 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:59.640 Well, your government's raised concerns about the military build up, 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:02.680 the lack of clarity around what it might be used for. 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.680 Do you feel confident that China is a force for 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.760 peace in the region after this meeting or do you know. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.160 What we did was we put forward Australia's position or 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.720 I did, which is that we want peace and security 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:15.440 in the region. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.839 The Prime minister has given a stronger position on China's 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.920 interests than the Australian and listening to that it makes 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.960 you wonder how little was said by albo. The Prime 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.000 Minister also confirmed the Port of Darwin was not raised 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.360 despite promising to take it back from China. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.800 I don't need to sorry to jump in none. It 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.440 wasn't raised. I can't be clear. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.039 As any were any issues raised by him. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.640 I can't be clearer than to say the question I 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:44.839 was asked was not raised. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.839 Look, this is a prime minister who is so scared 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.480 of offending the Australians. A foreign editor, Greg Sheridan actually 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.719 summarized very well the Port of Darwin's situation today. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.960 But because Canberra is so nervous, so fearful, so hesertat 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.279 And if you want the company to sell the lease, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.520 tell them to sell the lease. If they won't sell it, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:06.640 then take it back as an active government. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:08.280 Then the matter is done and. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.440 Resolved at the moment. Because a coward dies a thousand deaths, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:16.919 and Australian governments are so cowardly we're just trembling and 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.520 in terror time after time. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.040 But this was, of course Albanesi's fourth meeting with China, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.120 and that roundtable, as you can see there on the 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.120 bottom of your screens, is still going. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.960 The meetings today are still happening. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.279 And gee, it's such a strange situation because our Prime 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.040 minister is out there looking like the best friend of Shijingping, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.279 while at the same time at odds and alienating our 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.400 number one ally in the United States. And this visit 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.359 comes as the US is demanding we lift defense spending 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.960 and clarify our position on Taiwan should China go to war. Now, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.600 of course the US is watching this extended visit to 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.520 China closely, and Shijingping has the handsome boy exactly where 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.520 he wants him. Even before today's meeting, The China Daily, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.200 Beijing's mouthpiece, praise their handsome boy in an editorial called 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.800 common ground prevails over differences. It said Australian PM Anthony 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.880 Albanesi's ongoing visit to China is not only of significance 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.160 for the bilateral and trade relations between the two countries, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:22.080 it also sends a message amid the changing global trade landscape. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.440 Nothing like the kiss on the forehead from communist China, 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:27.880 And why wouldn't there be I mean, remember when the 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.200 Chinese conducted those live fire drills off our coast, and 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.280 the Prime Minister went into nothing to see here mode? 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.480 Is this time just to take us down to against 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.520 China publicly against about their actions. 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.080 Well, it's important as well, and Defense have confirmed that 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.600 China did comply with the international law. This is activity 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:53.560 that has occurred in m waters consistent with international law. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.000 Australian Defense were certainly. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:57.600 Aware. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.720 Or how about when a Chinese ship was gathering intelligence 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:02.400 off the coast. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:09.360 We won't, for obvious reasons, broadcast everything that we're doing, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.600 but we're keeping an eye on this as we do. 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.560 Of course, I would prefer that it wasn't. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:18.160 There, and obviously it's gotten worse since our ADF is 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.920 preparing for the arrival of Chinese spy vessels monitoring Operation 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.120 Talisman Saber. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.920 But the Prime Minister again isn't fast. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:31.080 That would be nothing unusual that has happened in the past, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.880 and I'll continue to assert Australia's national interest as I 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:37.240 do so. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.720 It's no wonder Beijing's mouthpiece was all praise for our PM, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.360 even noting his extended stay in China is notably long 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.319 for a state leader. It went on to say, Albanesi's 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.640 visit shows that the Australian side has a clearer judgment 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.480 and understanding of China than it had under previous Scott 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.240 Morrison government. Well, of course, China is all praise for labor, 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.760 not Scott Morrison. I mean, how dare the former Prime 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.520 Minister asked the hard hitting questions on the origins of COVID, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.720 what happened in the Wuhan lab, China's ambitions in the 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.280 South China Sea, and on the punitive tariffs imposed on 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.920 Australian goods like lobster, barley and wine. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:16.920 Everything Albo wouldn't dare touch. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.120 Scott Morrison has responded, telling The Australian having a character 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.720 reference from the China Daily was never one of my 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.679 foreign policy aspirations. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.520 Well, I say wear it as a badge of honor now. 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.560 The difference between Anthony Albernesi and Scott Morrison, of course, 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.280 is that Albo is an. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.960 Apologist for China. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.319 China has eagerly responded to his weakness, throwing its support 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.360 publicly behind Anthony Albanesi while trying to drive a wedge 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.120 between Australia and the United States, and experts agree. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:52.079 It seemed to me that the most important the goal 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.599 of a chigin King ridin in this visit, it's to 0:09:56.960 --> 0:10:00.960 divide the United States of the deliot. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.760 Which of course works very well for Beijing. 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.120 And it seems as though this Prime Minister is all 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.880 caught up in the hype and spin. Anthony Arbernezi has 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.680 always been weak when it comes to foreign policy. That 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.040 is why he can't stand up for our values on 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.920 the world stage. That is why the PM cannot get 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.000 a meeting with Donald Trump. That is why Australia is 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.439 drifting away from the US from a long standing alliance 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.680 and straight into the arms of China, blinded by the 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.680 Beijing pomp and ceremony with promises of free trade and. 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.079 Seeking common ground. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.240 And let's be real, China couldn't give a toss about 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.760 seeking common ground. China does what China wants. It's just 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.199 a shame the handsome man from Australia is so dizzied 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:50.280 by the red lights. Joining us now to unpack this 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.120 is former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and former Speaker of 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.200 the House Bromwin, Bishop heart of both of you, thank 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:56.640 you very much for joining. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:56.959 Me on the show. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.640 Look let's obviously start bromwin with this meeting today between 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.800 Shijingping and Anthony alban Easy. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:03.920 Based on the. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.360 Comments that we just heard from Anthony alb and Easy 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.760 at that press conference, how satisfied are you that these 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.040 issues were prosecuted by the Prime Minister. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.800 Quite frankly, he sounded more like the governor of a 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:21.640 vassal state paying homage to the dominant state rather than 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.079 the Prime minister of a sovereign state of Australia. And 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:31.160 I found the whole episode very concerning. Indeed, I noticed 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.480 that mister Forrest popped up and said, oh, we must 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.280 have an agreement on AI and the Communist Party of 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.600 China giving them access to all of our information. I 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.480 don't think so. We didn't see him stand up for 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.359 Australia once. We didn't see him stand. 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:48.600 Up for the. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:55.760 Diver who was damaged by the sonars from Communist Party ships. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.439 We didn't see him stand up for the pilot who 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.600 was threatened when they were doing. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.440 A surveillance flying. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.800 And we certainly didn't hear anything about the live fire 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.880 around our coastline, mapping out no doubt all the cables 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.720 that link us up and then saying twenty five percent 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.120 of our trade is tied up in China, and he 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:17.840 wants more. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:18.880 I want less. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.720 I don't want to be dependent. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.040 I want to see our trade diversify, absolutely. And if 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.320 we don't start to do that and don't backtrack, And 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.840 you know, Richo has a good statement about socialist culture. 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.400 If you're rat once, you're rat twice. And the fact 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.559 of the matter is that when it was Maurice Paine 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.280 who said, led to us where COVID came from, wham, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.360 we copped all those tariffs. There was a discussion here 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:50.480 today by bloggers in China about the port of Darwin 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.360 coming back to us. What did they say, Well, we 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:57.120 might buy your iron ore. It's the same thing. So 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.040 never mind about what Donald Trump's doing. What is China 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.559 going to do to us? The more we become dependent 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:08.000 upon them, we can be destroyed by means other than 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.120 a live fire That can come later. But in the 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:15.120 first instance, the Communist Party of China is just that, 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:22.000 the Communist Party dictatorship, no human rights, no individuality, none 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.160 of the things that we cherish in this nation. And 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.360 that Prime Minister sounded like the governor of a vassal 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:29.800 state wanting to suck up. 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:30.960 I think you're spot on. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.520 This is why here, Bronnie, I think perfectly perfectly summarized. 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.960 But Holly, this is why China could not give a 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.119 toss about this common ground that both she and Albineazi 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:41.680 spoke about. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.960 Today they do whatever they want to do, and that 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:44.960 is the dangerous part. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.160 Look, Rovin's one hundred percent right when she talks about trade, 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:50.160 and we saw how we were impacted when there were 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.120 particularly wine lobsters were so reliant on China that as 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.760 soon as their trade was stopped, these producers had nowhere 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.680 to go. We do need to diversify those producers, need 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.000 to not get comfortable in the China basket and start 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.920 to open up their markets so they're not impacted by 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.920 the whims of a communist regime. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.680 But we need to be really sensible here. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.400 We've got Chinese inverters attached to most of the solar 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.800 panels in this nation. The ability for China to impact 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.760 our energy markets and shut us down is becoming more 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.560 and more a reality of being able to occur. The 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.440 fact they want to access to AI and materials. I mean, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.520 I'm starting to think mister Abnezi wants to saw walking 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.960 around saying mee, how soon because he is moving us 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.480 so close to China. It is actually embarrassing to be 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:43.000 Australian and how challenging things the geopolitical environment is at 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.400 the moment. Yet he seems absolutely unwilling to stand up 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.040 for Australians. Had no consideration for people that were in 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.000 those airplanes that had to be diverted over the live. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:56.000 Fire that was notified. They were notified off by Virgin pilots. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.680 This is unbelievable that this guy has any credibility standing 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:00.560 up there at all. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.280 That Australians need to wake up. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.760 They need to wake up and understand what this guy's 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.200 doing because he's leading us down a very dangerous path. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.280 Absolutely, when he was all at sea today in that 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.760 press conference, you look completely flustered. But the bright lights, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.680 the bright red lights, just keep shining and that's all 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.480 that is important to our Prime minister. Now, look after 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.000 an embarrassing gaff from Treasury which saw official advice to 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.040 Jim Chalmers about hiking taxes released, it seems the Treasurer 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 is on board with the idea after all. I mean 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.880 yesterday he told us he was relaxed about the leak 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.520 today he tells us he's open to a number of 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.800 methods for making the budget more sustainable. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.600 When you make the kind of progress that we've made 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:43.520 on budget repair, two surplus's biggest ever noomenal turnaround in 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.440 the budget, and a single parliamentary term getting the Liberal 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.760 debt down by one hundred and seventy billion dollars, that 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.960 always involves a combination of measures. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.840 And let's not forget that you can't trust a word 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.880 this government says when it comes to monetary policy. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:05.280 That when you go to an election and you make commitments, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.040 you should stick to My word is my bond? 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.480 My word is my bond? Run when that tap from 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.040 this line. But look, this was always going to happen. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.680 Was it over that the Prime Minister a couple of 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.840 weeks ago was talking about tax reform. Now you've got 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.760 Jim Chalmers open to this idea. Do you think it's 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:22.720 on the agenda? 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.280 Look, the snake charmer is precisely that. The only fact 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.200 that you can rely on. He said before the election, 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.680 the budget's in great shape, he said after the election 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.160 it's unsustainable. Of course he wants more taxation. Of course 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.400 he's looking at ways to further tax the Australian people. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.120 And what do we see. We'll see wealth taxes, We'll 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.280 see death TAXX. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.040 Yeah. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.960 Well, indeed, their Labor Party has always been in favor 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:51.600 of death taxes, and it has to be thought and 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.080 the Liberal Party has to be out there first and 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.800 foremost saying this cannot happen. But if you look at 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.360 what they've done, one hundred and forty four billion dollars 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.719 in expenditure, and he's trying to tell us he's lessoned expenditure. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.800 And furthermore, it's built into the forward estimates. So we're 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.760 in a situation where we've got a I call him 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.240 the snake charmer because it's all illusion and he tells 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.040 us one thing when reality is totally another. And this 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.600 idea of productivity increase, everything they did in the first term, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:31.440 from industrial relations to increasing the cost of energy has 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.160 made sure that our productivity. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.960 Went that way. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.280 And unless we see look our top three expenditures that 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.240 have got to be examined. We've got the NDIS, we've 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.960 got defense, and we've got the negative. We've got the 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.919 energy policies that they're pursuing. We can't afford all three. Now, 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.840 if you stop rewiring the nation, which is trillions of dollars, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.639 so we can afford increased defense and we can afford 0:17:58.680 --> 0:17:59.840 the NDA is absolutely. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.520 I also wonder was this even a leak from Treasury. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.600 I can't help us think was this a deliberate ploy 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:06.920 to try and soften the blow? 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.119 You sort of wondered, don't you, whether they were just 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.240 kind of softening the ground up a bit that this 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:13.400 is how things aren't going great. I mean, look, it's 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.640 not a good look for them. The Treasury is saying, 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.680 there's no way you're going to meet your housing targets, 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.000 there's no way you're going to keep the budget in 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.919 check if you don't raise taxes and reduce spending. And 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.919 I think that's you know, it wasn't one or the 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.520 other either. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.240 It wasn't tax and spend. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.320 You know in reduction. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.680 It was you know, you're going to have to raise 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.480 taxes and find a way to cut spending at the 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.359 same time, and they're just not capable of it. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.760 But it's you know, we talk about the ndias. 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.159 Before this government came in, Bill Shorten referred to the 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.040 coalition as KABOOKI playing pearl clutches when we tried to 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.560 make changes to the ndis around sustainability. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.439 And then of course the first thing he did. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.320 Bill Shortened when he became minister was coming and say, 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.080 oh guess what, it's not sustainable. But yet through three 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.320 years of government, no one was prepared to put their 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.080 big boy pants on and do anything about it. And 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:00.840 I think this is what we're going to say. And 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.040 now the fact they can get everything through the Senate 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.520 with the grains, it actually looks like it could get 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.560 a whole lot worse rather than better. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.720 This is why it's so important that the Opposition comes 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.480 out and says we're abandoning net zero by twenty fifty 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.120 because it's impossible to reach and it's not desirable to reach. 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.480 And if we stopped building this ridiculous rewiring of the nation, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.840 think of all the tradesmen who'd be released and would 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:29.000 be able to go into building. 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.399 Homesh I mean it. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.520 Distorlled red tape they've put on absolutely everything. The compliance 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.680 costs the costs of doing business, and every time businesses 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.919 turn around, they're looking at whacking another another impost on them, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.080 and it's it's the compliance cost alone is driving more 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.240 businesses than ever out of business. 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.280 Well, these guys just don't know what they're doing. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.359 I mean, why would you want to go into business 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.399 in this country? You wouldn't know, You just wouldn't Energy policy, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.440 I our laws is just so many issues. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:56.119 I follow you. 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.320 We run out of time. Holly, who's a rollin bishop. 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.840 Good to have you both on probams on five. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.800 She could energize the name both on fire. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.360 It's a big day. There's a lot going on, isn't there? 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.359 And I want to get our next guest's opinion on that. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.120 Anthony Albernezi. Of course, meeting with President Hu jing Ping 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.000 in China today, let's bring the former Deputy Prime Minister 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.639 and National MP Barnaby Joyce, Barbaby are good to see you. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.119 I want to play you a bit of audio. 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.080 This is what the Prime Minister said about what he 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.480 raised with she about those live fire drills and spy 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:28.600 ships off our coast. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:29.320 Have a listened to this? 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.360 Did you seek assurances that Australia would be better informed 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:39.159 in future about the PLA's navy in Australian waters? And 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.600 has China asserted its right to free navigation in those waters? 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.960 Yes to the former and secondly, in response, of course 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:54.800 it was president She said that China engaged in exercises 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.240 just as Australia engages in exercises. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.320 Barnaby, he's telling us there what cheating Ping said, not 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.240 what he said. Does it leave you with much hope 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.200 about how strongly this was prosecuted? 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.000 No, it seems like the negotiation. It reminds you of 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.800 a sort of negotiations with the communist crocodile. You know, 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:14.480 he went in and saw them and he said, you know, 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.639 did you bring up live our exercises? I guess And 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:20.320