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Speaker 1: We'd like to acknowledge that traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 1: on which this podcast was produced, the Galligel people of

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Speaker 1: the Urination. We pay our respects to Elder's past and present.

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Speaker 2: It's March twenty twenty four and we're in Manila. The

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Speaker 2: man best known as the French Spider Man has just

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Speaker 2: climbed forty seven stories of the GT International Tower. It's

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Speaker 2: one of the highest skyscrapers in the Philippines, and Alan

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Speaker 2: Robert has scaled the seven hundred and twelve foot building

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Speaker 2: without any safety equipment, just a bag of chalk and

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Speaker 2: a pair of climbing shoes. He's done it before and

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Speaker 2: he'll do it again. With more than one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty structures under his belt, including the Burj Khalifer, Eiffel

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Speaker 2: Tower and the Empire State Building. In the climbing world,

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Speaker 2: he's a rock star. More people watched his climb of

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Speaker 2: the National Bank of Abu Dhabi than the opening ceremony

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Speaker 2: of the Football World Cup Finals. He doesn't see this

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Speaker 2: as a sport, but instead a life path. He prepares

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Speaker 2: carefully before each ascent, calculating the risks and ensuring his

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Speaker 2: mind is totally focused. He must get it right. I'm

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Speaker 2: Att Middleton and this is Headgame today, the notorious French

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Speaker 2: spider Man undertaking some of the riskiest and most dangerous

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Speaker 2: challenges in the world and loving every second of it.

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Speaker 2: I am extremely excited right now to be speaking with

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Speaker 2: the famous French spider Man, Monsieur Alain Robert.

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Speaker 3: Mons only like the Bali who the peer you know.

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Speaker 3: I am live in Bali, which I've been leaving for

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to meet you, it really is. I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge, huge fan myself. I've been following your stuff

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Speaker 2: since they dot since you know you you brought the

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Speaker 2: let's get into it first and foremost, Allah, when did

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Speaker 2: you start climbing? Did you start climbing the moment you

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Speaker 2: know you left your mother's womb? Did you start? Were

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Speaker 2: you like a kid that climbed all the time?

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Speaker 3: Not exactly like that. Actually my story is more complicated.

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Speaker 3: I born as a kid that was afraid of everything,

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Speaker 3: that was shy. I was lacking of self confidence and

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Speaker 3: I had a dream. I wanted to become courageous.

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Speaker 4: So it took me. It took me quite some.

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Speaker 3: Time, you know, because at some point I was just thinking,

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Speaker 3: thing that is just a dream and I forget about it?

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Speaker 3: Or shall I try to realize my dream? And then

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Speaker 3: I did choose to realize it. So later on I

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Speaker 3: got inspired. I saw a movie. It's it's a story

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Speaker 3: of the plane who crashed near the top of Mont Blanc.

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Speaker 4: Two brothers.

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Speaker 3: There are mountaineering climber climbers they are they are climbing

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Speaker 2: Can you remember your first climb? That the first time

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Speaker 2: that you thought, do you know what, I'm actually quite

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Speaker 3: Actually that that was even purely by accident, you know.

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Speaker 4: I was at school.

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Speaker 3: There was a too meeching teacher in a row, and

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Speaker 3: then I went home. I realized that I didn't have

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, So that's where it all started. Nothing to

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Speaker 2: Did you climb that and think, oh I enjoyed that.

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Speaker 3: Well, definitely, But more like back in the days we

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Speaker 4: Climbing was not existing.

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Speaker 3: By joining becoming a boy scout, and there I met

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Speaker 4: I was never going to climb. Ever, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: So talk me through your first time that you sort

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Speaker 3: I pretty much knew it right away, Like maybe when

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Speaker 3: So I was just thinking more like becoming mountaineering guide.

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Speaker 3: You know that kind of people who are making a living,

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Speaker 4: So more more more like that.

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Speaker 3: And uh and of course when I started to become famous,

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Speaker 2: That's quite quite a segue. So when did you first

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Speaker 4: Oh? You know, when I was this boy scout.

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Speaker 3: I was with a friend, Pierre actually his name, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes we were climbing. We were free flowing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, from a young young age, you're always always climbing.

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Speaker 2: I was quite similar. You know, when I was young,

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Speaker 2: different to your direction. But take me back to that

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Speaker 3: The attention of the world was in ninety four and

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Speaker 3: I climbing in Chicago the Accentia Tower. But actually before it,

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Speaker 3: my real legacy is on rocks. What I did on

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Speaker 2: Took me through that. Alan took me through that.

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Speaker 3: People are not really aware because it was before the internet.

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Speaker 4: Even Climbing Magazine.

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Speaker 3: They wanted not to publish me because they just thought

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Speaker 3: like really something very short. Things has completely shifted when

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Speaker 3: Alex o'nald climbed the r Capitan. Yes, suddenly people have

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Speaker 4: I am the dude, I am the og.

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Speaker 3: I am the guy who was free following five firt

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Speaker 3: was in nineteen ninety one. But the problem is that,

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Speaker 3: of course he knew about this part of my life

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Speaker 3: because we met in a film festival in Poland, so

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Speaker 3: we knew all about it. I got, I got a

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Speaker 3: bigger water back in the days and everything. But the

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Speaker 3: And this is not the way you are making a living.

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Speaker 3: This is also not a way that people are ready

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Speaker 4: So it is more.

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Speaker 3: Actually, when I shifted onto buildings, and that was the

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Speaker 3: I couldn't go any further. I was climbing some days.

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Speaker 3: I was at fifty to fifty. I was actually the

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Speaker 3: first person in the world free following five Indee even Alex.

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Speaker 3: He said, he still didn't climb a third Indee free solo.

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Speaker 2: So that's why we're having this conversation and.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about thirty three years back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety that ever you

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Speaker 2: There was no internet back then. There was no exposure.

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Speaker 2: of or you know, the outstanding climbs that you were

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Speaker 3: And what was frustrating for me is when finally I

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Speaker 3: I was explaining to the journalist that what I did

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Speaker 3: is other guys who did it, but on buildings only

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Speaker 4: So I said it.

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Speaker 3: It it resurve faces in twenty seventeen when Alex climbed

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Speaker 4: Otherwise I have I have simply forgotten.

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Speaker 2: It's been submerged by the structures that you've climbed. But

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Speaker 2: free climbing, free soloing on rocks is extremely difficult if

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Speaker 2: you get that wrong. You know, on buildings you can

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Speaker 3: Being oh exactly, this is what people don't realize.

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Speaker 4: You know, Climbing on rocks is far more random.

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Speaker 3: There is a there is there may be good pockets,

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Speaker 3: As on buildings you can easily understand right away. You know,

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Speaker 2: So why did you transition from free climbing to buildings.

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Speaker 2: Where did that come about? How did you make that decision?

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Speaker 3: Because I knew that I was going too far away

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Speaker 3: on rocks, I nearly fell. I don't know how many

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Speaker 3: times I was climbing, you know, some of the routes

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Speaker 3: sure that I would be finishing the day. And then,

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Speaker 3: you know, when I got this proposal to climb and buildings,

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Speaker 3: I at first I was perplexed because nobody has ever

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Speaker 3: done that before. For these guys are not at least

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Speaker 4: So just thought, well, at the very worst.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any distractions was you're climbing. Did you

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Speaker 3: My mission was to climb the building, was not about

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Speaker 3: This is you know, every day I am having this

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Speaker 4: Aside because I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't afford to be distracted by thinking that I

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Speaker 2: So you have to stay laser focused in those moments

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00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: because it's a matter of life or death if you've

442
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: got to get it right. Going back to the climb

443
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: in Chicago, you get to the top, you get arrested.

444
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: Do you get a buzz after that? Do you think

445
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: to yourself, right, this is what I want to do now,

446
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: I just want to go around the world. If the

447
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: people are sponsoring me, if people are paying for me

448
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: to do this, I get a buzz off of it.

449
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: This is what I want to do. This is what

450
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to do.

451
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: I was still not at it.

452
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: Actually, I have only joined the team Sector No Limits.

453
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: You know, it's a team of the athletes.

454
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: Like some they are they are they are swimming, so Scooba, diving, well,

455
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. And they were making a

456
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: documentary film on all of the athletes. So for me,

457
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: it was free swallowing. But except that the film director

458
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: he came with the idea that actually, this guy he

459
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: could climb some some rocks in Utah, some sandstone looks

460
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: like a bit like like like a building. And suddenly, uh,

461
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: along the way, he's falling asleep, and suddenly in his

462
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: image on those rock towers, he's shifting onto a building.

463
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: So that that was the old That was the old idea.

464
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: So so you're you're seeing me climbing something like a

465
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 3: Mozzy's Tower in Utah.

466
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: So it's like it.

467
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: Looks like nearly like like a World Red Center, and

468
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: then suddenly we are shifting on something very similar, except

469
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: that you are in the in the city, you can

470
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: drink whenever, and you're not like in the middle of

471
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: the desert.

472
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: And you know, and when when did you first realize

473
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: that you you had captured the world's attention, that you

474
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: were a global celebrity, that people loved watching you climb,

475
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: people supported your climbing, and you were you were shifted

476
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: into the limelight and into fame. When did you realize

477
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: that moment happened in.

478
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: Ninety four because for doing this, for doing this film,

479
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: I had to climb four different buildings, so we did

480
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: within a short period of time, well not that short,

481
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: but like maybe half here, I climbed those four buildings,

482
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: and then I realized that actually I started to get

483
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: demons for interviews every day from all over the world

484
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: and everything. So then I realized, and then I started

485
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: to get demands from people willing to sponsor me, to

486
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: pay me. So, you know, suddenly I was in a

487
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: complete different world when I was free. Following five third indeed,

488
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: I could get a very small, tiny little sponsor paying

489
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: me not much, giving me a yeah, free climbing shoes

490
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. And suddenly for me, it's just

491
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: like I could make a fortune and still climbing, meaning

492
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: still doing something that I loved doing.

493
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: So that was like kind of insane.

494
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, I have known celebrity

495
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: in some places in the world that you can't even imagine,

496
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: you know. I remember in ninety six when I went

497
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: to Rio Degenero. I had been previously three times on

498
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: Fantastico Fantastical pretty much any single Brasilian watching it on

499
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: So when I arrived at the airport in.

500
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: Rio, everybody was knowing me. I was passing back.

501
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: There was buses with a full of kids ambrenare.

502
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know.

503
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: It's just like suddenly over night, you know, I climb

504
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: in Abuddha Bie in Dubai with more than hundred a

505
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: thousands people looking at me climbing. It's like it's like

506
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: a meat Jagger concert. At the bottom, they're like watching

507
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: at you.

508
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: That's amazing, man, How did that make you feel?

509
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: Well?

510
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: It's the same, you know, at the same time when

511
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: I'm climbing, all the more if it's difficult. If it's

512
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: not difficult, I can make a show a bit. Now

513
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: I have started to understand that when when the crowd

514
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: is shouting, you know, I can hear that they are

515
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: cheering me up because you know, all all the stuff

516
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: I did for sample in the UAE or in Katar,

517
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: I did it officially, So it means that that's why

518
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: they're allowing more than hundred thousand people to come on

519
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: the spot, because it is regimented by like five hundred cups.

520
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: So I got also this kind of stuff in China.

521
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: In China having like seven hundred the militaries taking care

522
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: of me with a lot of cops and being sure

523
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: that they could manage all of the people. So those

524
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: are things that I have been living in Kazakhstan. I

525
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: have been living in Katar and many times in Dubai,

526
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: many times in a budha b in Brazil, in Caracas,

527
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: you know, in many countries, even in Moscow. In Moscow,

528
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: because that was during the Moscow Anniversary in twenty eleven,

529
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: they were doing the biggest video mapping and a burning.

530
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: I was climbing the Moscow University at night. There was

531
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: a twenty three minute films that cost fifteen million. There

532
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: was Vladimir Putin that was medve F and there was

533
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand people.

534
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Wow, that is phenomenal.

535
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: Seeing a crowd that huge.

536
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: I am still having pictures sometimes I am posting it

537
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: because it's just like I still need to scratch my head. Yeah,

538
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: pinch yourself now nowadays, Yeah, my career is more like backwards.

539
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: But however, I am still climbing. I am on the

540
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: project of a big film, a bit like the one

541
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: like a free solo, you know, something really with money

542
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: and you know, and also you know the new generation

543
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: of material because you know, now when I'm watching all

544
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: the difficult buildings, I did twenty five years ago. The

545
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: way the way they get film was ship because the

546
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: cameras were bad. The angles were wrong because they were

547
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: at the bottom. As the good angle they are from above.

548
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: So it has to be drawn or it has to

549
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: be good.

550
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the angles, the long lenses, everything exactly.

551
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like even in this department, the

552
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: level I shifted, like, you know, it looks like what

553
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: I was doing thirty years ago looks like well, like

554
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: Charlie chapin a movie. And what you are doing now,

555
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: it's a mission impossible.

556
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: It's completely different.

557
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: And and what I love about you and what you've

559
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: done for this community and what you've done for globally

560
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: is you've broken the mold when it's come when it

561
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: comes to climbing buildings, because at first it was highly illegal.

562
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: It had to be a secret operation. You know, you

563
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: had to go down at the bottom, said at first,

564
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: wait for the rain, wait for the security to go,

565
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: then climb. And you broke that mold where it became accessible.

566
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: People were granting you and you only permission to climb

567
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: this building, you know, an audience and an escort, a

568
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 2: police escort. You completely shattered the mold. When it came

569
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: to something being highly illegal, to something being celebrated and

570
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: put on the map and almost breaking down rules and

571
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: regulations because of what you achieved. How did that? How

572
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: does that make you feel? Now that you can you

573
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: can go wherever you want basically and go I want

574
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: to climb that structure. Anyone else they'll be like, no,

575
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: mister Allah, go ahead, you climb it. That's phenomenal, that's

576
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: really good.

577
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: It's interesting.

578
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: You know that I am in the English school books

579
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: for the primary school.

580
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: There is my story all over the world. People they are.

581
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: Learning because sometimes says, there is a lot of haters

582
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: and social medias and they are wishing me deaf. They

583
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 3: are you know, I got it again this morning. So

584
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: I am blocking people, but it's annoying. But sometimes I'm responding.

585
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: I am saying, well, you know that maybe because most likely,

586
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: if you're having kids, they are learning my story at

587
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: school because I am in their school books.

588
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: And whether you whether you like it or not.

589
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm there. Maybe you like you or not, your children

590
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: are going to be reading about it.

591
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: I am not such a bad example. I've been invited

592
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: to the Elize Palace. I have been invited by the

593
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: King and the Queen and Malaysia, the Sheek Mahammad in

594
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: Dubai and plenty of people. I gave talks in Oxford,

595
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: I gave talks in Cambridge. I am having a statue

596
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: in China. I am featured in the book among the

597
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: Andred Greaterst Sport People from Old Time.

598
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: I wrote many books.

599
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, but you push. You are the epitome

600
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: of pushing human capability and performance. You know, what is

601
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: there not to celebrate about that? It is? You know,

602
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: you talk about emotional intelligence, psychological resilience, physical robustness, capability.

603
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you push that out? Why there's such a

604
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: positive message in what you do? And listen to the

605
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: haters of the haters unfortunately that's a generational thing that

606
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: you get on social media.

607
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 4: Ignore them.

608
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: But when it comes to human capability and performance, you

609
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: are showing the world that we are a phenomenal, phenomenal

610
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: species and that if you put your mind to things

611
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: and you focus on things, you can achieve the impossible,

612
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: which is absolutely phenomenal. And what I love about you

613
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: as well is that you recently climbed with your son.

614
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we did it like pretty much two years

615
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: back and that now this coming October.

616
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: He wants to do another one with me.

617
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: And what did you climb with him?

618
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: Ah, there was an easy belding in a Barcelona We

619
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: climbed glorious tower. But you know, he has never climbed

620
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 3: before and more than forty four meters. But the problem

621
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: is that he didn't know how to manage his muscles

622
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: so othough he's built like Bruce Lee or small translegger,

623
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 3: he was completely wasted. I was telling him because we

624
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 3: were close to each other, and I was telling him, Look, Julian,

625
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: actually me, I am using maybe five percent of my

626
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: physical capacity and you you are using ninety five percent.

627
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 3: It took him, It took him ten days to recover.

628
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: Ten days.

629
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: And he's a guy.

630
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: He used to be a parashutist. He's good in any

631
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 3: kind of sports. But the thing is, you know, when

632
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: you are confronted with more than one of the meters

633
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: and you have never climbed before.

634
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Then I guess the way you are.

635
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: You are you are grabbing your hords, you are pulling

636
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: far too.

637
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: Much, you are exhausting yourself exactly, you're using your legs correctly, exactly.

638
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: You're so afraid that you may for then then you

639
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: want to be absolutely sure. So you're you're you are

640
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: giving like maybe one orndd kg, which at the end

641
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: of the day maybe two kg is enough.

642
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: But of course, and again you know, there's nothing like

643
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: he's obviously got the best, the best teacher, the best

644
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: mentor because when it comes to experience like that, it

645
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: is it's about knowing your body. It's about knowing how

646
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: to control your emotions and to use them to your advantage.

647
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Like you said, putting yourself up, that's going to exhaust you.

648
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: If you keep doing that, you've got to just you know,

649
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: know what you're doing, use all your bodies, you know,

650
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: try and try and conserve the energty to get up

651
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: to the top. And I've absolutely loved chatting with you.

652
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: It's been absolutely phenomenal. You are, like I said, the

653
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: epitome of human capability and performance. And what is next

654
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: for you? What's happening now?

655
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: Next for me? You know?

656
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: Now I am redoing my visa, so it's gonna take

657
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: like another two months. It's going to be a permanent

658
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: resident visa in Indonesia. Then I will be honest traveling

659
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: in October. There would be the release of my new book.

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Speaker 3: I'll be climbing as well in Europe. I'll be climbing

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Speaker 3: on rocks in Verdon and also we start working on

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Speaker 3: a big film.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I can't wait. It's been absolutely phenomenal talking to you,

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Speaker 2: my man. I love your energy. You're one of these

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Speaker 2: rare people that I can feel your energy through the screen.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's great, mate. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on head Game and listen. I look forward to

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Speaker 2: reading your new book and look forward especially to the

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Speaker 2: new film that's coming out.

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Speaker 4: Thank you mate, Thanks a lot. That was a great pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me on Headgame. If

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