1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Adam Lang. 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Music, theater, comedy, movies, books. They all feature creativity, courage 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: and a lot of hard work, and they play a. 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Role in any business. 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: There is good fortune in that mix too, as things 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: outside our control can often conspire a challenge to help 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: us and occasionally rock our world. I'm delighted to welcome 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: Australian superstar Tim Minchin to this Fear and Greed Interview. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: Tim is a creative force. He's a composer, author, performer, comedian, 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: musician and a very strong advocate for the arts. He 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: has partnered with support Act, the music industry's charity, to 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: promote OZ Music T shirt Day on twenty eight November. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Tim Minchin, Welcome to Fear and Greed. 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: Good a Adam, thank you for having me. 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: It's my sincere pleasure. Tim. 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Let's start with what draws you to this cause You've 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: worked incredibly hard, being courageous enough to have had to 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: go at many pursuits and from the outside looking in, 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: it seems like you are a superstar and have earned 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: great success. But I'm sure it's not always felt that 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: way to you. What does it mean to you to 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: support organizations like Support Act and how has their work 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: impacted the people that you know well. 24 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't feel the urge to support Support 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: Act because of my own experience. 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: In fact, it's kind of the opposite. 27 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: Although I've had my ups and downs and I've worked 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: pretty hard, I feel my overwhelming sense when I reflect 29 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: on my career is of how lucky I've been. But 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: because I've been lucky, I guess I have an insight 31 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: into what it looks like to not be and therefore 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 4: I want to leverage my luck into to the extent 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: that I can helping people who are less lucky. I mean, 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: my first proper interaction with Support Act was when my 35 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: tour manager, Greg died and I was able to use 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: the charity to parlay some charity stuff for his family 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: through that organization, which made it very It was a 38 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: really great structure through which we could make a contribution 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 4: to Greg's family because he died very suddenly and he 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: was a total legend in our industry. But also, yeah, 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: I have enough experience in the industry to know that 42 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: the arts brings particular challenges. It's not harder than other 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: businesses or anything, but it's very specific and there's a 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: few things that in our industry that make mental health 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 4: perhaps more challenging than average. And so I'm I'm just keen. 46 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 4: I just think it's great. It's great charity for. 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: Anyone who may not know what is I was music 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: t Shirt Day and how does it work? How can 49 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: people get involved on twenty eighth of November to show 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: their support. 51 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 4: Well, I think the campaign is really about buying T shirts. 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 4: So's a T shirt designed I think by Paul Kelly 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: and Julius Stone and a Stone and they're selling them 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: to raise awareness of their work. And so on that 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: day you can buy a T shirt, wear around, spark 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 4: conversations and encourage people to donate so that when artists 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 4: find themselves in trouble, well not just artists, but people 58 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 4: in our industry find themselves in trouble, there's some way 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: they can go to. There's a fund. 60 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: And you can go to gigs at any time. 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure Support Act provides crisis relief for musicians and 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: industry professionals. And as you said, Tim, sometimes we all 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 2: face mental health, physical health, or other crises. Can you 64 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: tell us more about the challenges the people in the 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: music industry and your industry experiencing and how you see 66 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: it and why support act's work is so important. 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: I think it's for the arts that music especially. It's 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: very hard to quantify the contribution it makes to society. 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 4: You know, you hear a lot of people banging on 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: about arts funding and stuff, and I'm really passionate about 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: it that as well. But I'm also hyper aware of 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: how it might seem to people outside of music industry 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: for us to put particular importance on things like supporting 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: musicians when there are so many people who struggle in 75 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: the world. But I do think we as a society 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: underestimate how important it is that we have a thriving culture. 77 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 4: So firstly, on one side, it's important that we have 78 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: thriving culture and that we support culture in our country 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 4: through lots of different ways. But on the other side, 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: people who work in our industry are particularly susceptible to 81 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 4: mental health issues, I think because there's very little security. 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 4: Like many people in the music industry, both on stage 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: and backstage, are working week to week, and when things 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 4: like COVID happen or whatever, there's just no there's no security. 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: You very rarely can get a loan or anything. It's 86 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: a lot of passion goes into it, and so when 87 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 4: people fall on hard times, there's less of a safety 88 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 4: net than a lot of places that are more conventional 89 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: employment arrangements, I guess. But also our industry loves to 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: chew people up and spit them out. And there's this 91 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 4: thing where we are artists, and especially artists musicians themselves 92 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: are taught that their value is about like fame and 93 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: success and adoration. And it's not great for people's brains 94 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: to be pegging their sense of personal wellbeing to other 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: people's approval. And so there are a lot of people 96 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,559 Speaker 4: who find themselves in a really bad emotional space because 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: of the kind of fickleness of the game. Also, it's 98 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: just that most people who strive to make art and 99 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: contribute to culture don't make a great living, like the 100 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: majority of people right often on the edge, you know. 101 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: So I think I think if we want to thrive 102 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: in culture, we need to understand that we in the 103 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: industry we need to be collective, we need to help 104 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: each other out, and this is an opportunity to do that. 105 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: I think. 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: Another thing that's hard about our industry is although there's 107 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: a lot of collective, like we all a lot of 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 4: people know each other and we play together and we 109 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: it's quite a small world. There's also it's quite dislocated, 110 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: you know that. There's often you don't feel like you're 111 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: in an industry that has their arms around you because 112 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: everyone's like trying to do their own thing. 113 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 3: And it's also competitive, you know. So I think anything. 114 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: We can do and in the other industries I'm in too, 115 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: in theater and telly, because it's quite competitive and everyone's 116 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 4: trying to push out and do their own thing any opportunity. 117 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: We have to have a sense of our collective identity 118 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: to think of ourselves as a community. It's not always easy, 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 4: you know, and I really believe in it. I think 120 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: we do need to think of ourselves as a community 121 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: and find opportunities to get together or to support one another. 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: Stay with me, Tim, We'll be back in a minute. 123 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: My guest this morning is Tim mentioned Tim, I need 124 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: to gush about being a fan for a bit comedy, musicals, 125 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 2: television shows, films, books. I'm sure you've done lots more. 126 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: I loved the music you did for Matilda. We saw 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: it as a family. There's part in Miracle where the 128 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: lines are Mum says I'm an angel sent down from 129 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: the sky. My daddy says I'm a special little soldier. 130 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: And I can hear those melodies as I say those words. 131 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: You know, we all might aspire to be angels and soldiers, 132 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: but sometimes we need a hand, and we probably need 133 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: to role model that more as adults, that it's okay 134 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: to ask for a hand in work and in life. 135 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: How do you do it? How do you stay well 136 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: and supported? 137 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: Well, I'm very lucky, as I've said, one way I'm 138 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 4: lucky is but once I got to about thirty, even 139 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: though I'd been struggling, things started going well for me 140 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: and sort of didn't stop. 141 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: So a lot of the. 142 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: Pressures that face musicians I'm not under because because of 143 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: things like Matilda, I have financial security, and you can't 144 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 4: underestimate that. I think a lot of people get into 145 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: music thinking they're going to be rich and famous. You 146 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: don't want either of those things, but you do want stability. 147 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 4: You do want to know where your rent's coming from 148 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: and that you can, you know, get your kids through 149 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 4: school and stuff. So I have on one side that 150 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 4: very real security, and on the other side, I have 151 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,119 Speaker 4: this really really supportive family, including a partner who basically 152 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: gave up her own career to support mine, although I 153 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: think maybe she just really enjoyed like tootling around the world. 154 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 4: But I also have a very very strong, extended family. 155 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: You know, I'm a pretty conservative guy. 156 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm not. 157 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: You don't see me out in the middle of the 158 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: night at gigs very often. I live a pretty head 159 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: down lifestyle. So the things I do, I've always been 160 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: hyper hyper aware of the fragility of mental health when 161 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: you're an artist, because you get these huge high hires 162 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 4: and all this affirmation and love, and then suddenly it's 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 4: all pressure and you're alone and you feel the weight 164 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: of it all on your shoulders and you think I 165 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 4: can't possibly be enough for these people. And then you 166 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: get criticism, and people love to hate some forms of art, 167 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: and you know, people, I say in my book, you know, 168 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: people love defining themselves in opposition to stuff, and all 169 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: of that is difficult. So I take it really really 170 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 4: seriously by being very careful about the substances I put 171 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 4: in my body, and very careful with prioritizing my family 172 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: and the things that keep me stable. And I bang 173 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: on about that stuff a lot. So you know, you 174 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 4: don't need to hear another lecture from me. But I 175 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 4: do think we as artists need to not think of 176 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 4: ourselves as like special angels. I think we need to 177 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 4: treat ourselves like workers, and we need to treat each 178 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: other like workers. We need to build communities where we're like, 179 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: this is just a job. We work really hard, We've 180 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: got each other's backs. If someone's in trouble, we do 181 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 4: what we can to help them out, and we value 182 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: our work. But we don't you know, the highs and lows. 183 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: I try to flatten them out as much as I 184 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 4: possibly can, because it's very tempting to just go higher 185 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: and higher, and then you just go lower and lower. 186 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 2: I just ordered your book. You don't have to have 187 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: a dream advice for the incrementally ambitious. I loved the 188 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: title alone. Then I read it. I loved the book 189 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: even more. But tell me why did you write it? 190 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: How did it come about? 191 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: Well, one of the things I do a bit of 192 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 4: is speaking, and a few you know, three universities have 193 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: given me honorary doctorates, you know, fake degrees, but they 194 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: are an honor. But the quid pro quo is they'll 195 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: give you a they'll give you a floppy hat and 196 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 4: a doctorate that you're allowed to call yourself doctor only 197 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: within confines of the university that give it to you. 198 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: And the quid pro quo as you make a speech 199 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: to graduates. And so I've made three of those speeches. 200 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: One of them particularly went very, very viral, and then 201 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: a publisher said, do you want to make your speeches 202 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 4: into a book? And I thought, well, sure, but I'm 203 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 4: going to write a bit more. 204 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 3: So. 205 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: It's a collection of speeches and essays that kind of 206 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 4: talk about my worldview and try to sort of give 207 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 4: a bit of wisdom, such as it is, especially to 208 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: young people, about the things I've learned since I left 209 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: university about life and art and respect and critical thinking. 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: You know, I bang on a lot about critical thinking 211 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 4: because that's my educational basis. So yeah, I just I 212 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 4: really believe in sharing your ideas and finding lots of 213 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 4: interesting ways to share your ideas. I obviously do it 214 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 4: through my work, but as I get older, I'm like, 215 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 4: I might as well just tell them what I think. 216 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: Let it out. 217 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: And you did that on tour too. You did a 218 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: speaking to her about the book. 219 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: Had to go. 220 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really interesting. 221 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you talk about the insecurities of 222 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 4: being an artist. I'd get on stage and just get 223 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: interviewed in front of, you know, a couple of thousand people, 224 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 4: and I had a real overwhelming sense of that not 225 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: really being enough. 226 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: Like, obviously, I've worked very. 227 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 4: Hard over a very long period of time to get 228 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 4: good at what I do, which is play piano and 229 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 4: talk fast about big ideas, and so just doing an 230 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 4: interview sort of felt like is this enough? But people 231 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 4: found it interesting, I think. I mean, I'm off social 232 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: media now, which is another thing I do for my 233 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 4: mental health, which means I don't get all the immediate feedback. 234 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 4: But I've heard secondhand that people really enjoyed it. I 235 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: like tackling big ideas, and I have a tendency to 236 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 4: be honest when people ask me questions, and I think 237 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: that's reasonably unusual in our industries. So I'm a freak 238 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 4: show of just saying what I think. 239 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Please carry on doing that. Tim. 240 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: Finally, before I let you go, what would you say 241 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: to anyone listening and considering donating or buying a shirt 242 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 2: and wearing it proudly? On OZ Music t Shirt Day 243 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: on twenty eight November. 244 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: I think we should be very, very proud of our 245 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 4: arts in Australia. I think we punch way above our 246 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: weight where it's a country full of brilliant creatives, and 247 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: I think we should be proud of our music industry, 248 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 4: proud of the creative diversity within it, and aware that 249 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: although it just looks like a whole lot of fun, 250 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: it is not an easy place to be and we 251 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: definitely lack some of the infrastructure that more conventional workplaces have. 252 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: So anything you can do to raise awareness and give 253 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 4: a bit of money, I think be great. I think 254 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: it's I think it's a good cause and something we 255 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: can all get behind because we all consume music and 256 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 4: that's a really big part of our national identity. 257 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: I think Tim, thank you so much for joining us 258 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: and sharing this message. 259 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: Huge pleasure, Adam, thanks for having me. 260 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: OZ Music t Shirt Day is happening on Thursday, twenty 261 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: eight November and you can learn more at Ozmusic Tshirt 262 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 2: Day dot org dot au about the vital work that 263 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: Support Act does for our music community. Please support the 264 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: arts as much as you can. This is the Fear 265 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: and Greed Business Interview. Join us every morning for the 266 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: full episode of fear and greed. Daily business news for 267 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: people who make their own decisions. 268 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm Adam Lang. Have a great day.