Speaker 1: From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live
Speaker 1: today from Brisbane. Today has been one heck of a day,
Speaker 1: hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Our emotions have been all over the place, from shock
Speaker 2: at what we were watching this morning, to fear about
Speaker 2: what could have happened, relief that it didn't, and a
Speaker 2: sense of fear that will this stuff happen again. The
Speaker 2: reality of history and it's huge tectonic shifts and it's
Speaker 2: huge swing moments. It's pretty incredible. In the hours and
Speaker 2: hours and reams and breams of things that have been
Speaker 2: said since the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, somebody was
Speaker 2: explaining that, for those of you who know your history,
Speaker 2: the event that started World War One was an assassination.
Speaker 2: The assassination only took place because a car took the
Speaker 2: wrong turn and Kennedy ended up dying because the driver
Speaker 2: of his car slowed down when the first shot started
Speaker 2: ringing in Texas.
Speaker 1: And today is we've all.
Speaker 2: Been doing the sums and thinking, and I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but starting.
Speaker 1: To work it out physically.
Speaker 2: The difference is less than a centimeter when it comes
Speaker 2: to the story we talk about tonight versus the tragedy
Speaker 2: that would have happened. Remember, of course, that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: was speaking directly to the crowd, and then he turned
Speaker 2: was only a couple of seconds after turning that the
Speaker 2: shot is taken, and obviously it hits his ear, not
Speaker 2: the back of his head. It's been a wild day now,
Speaker 2: all of us who've been watching Trump for a while,
Speaker 2: regardless of whether.
Speaker 1: You are the most maga amongst.
Speaker 2: Us and never Trump in the center right of politics,
Speaker 2: or somebody who has had Trumped arrangement syndrome since he
Speaker 2: came down the escalator.
Speaker 1: All those years ago.
Speaker 2: Secretly, not so secretly, quietly or not so quietly, have
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: All feared of a daylight today.
Speaker 2: However, thankfully, because of that much of a difference and
Speaker 2: the way that his head turned, the defining image of
Speaker 2: today is the image that will ring out on front
Speaker 2: pages around the world, and that will be remembered way
Speaker 2: beyond the natural life of the forty fifth and potentially
Speaker 2: forty seventh president. The idea that any of us would
Speaker 2: have reacted as he reacted in that moment is of
Speaker 2: course extraordinary. You've all seen the footage of what took place.
Speaker 2: You've all heard the long, painful seconds in and around it.
Speaker 2: There are many questions about part of the security preparation,
Speaker 2: not necessarily the response. But let me try to give
Speaker 2: you a couple of extra details that maybe you haven't
Speaker 2: caught up with today that helped put all of this
Speaker 2: into a bit of a better setting as we all
Speaker 2: try to work out what the hell happened today. Of course,
Speaker 2: it happened in a Trump rally, like any other Trump rally,
Speaker 2: this one in the deep red part of a state
Speaker 2: called Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is one of the six states that
Speaker 2: either Trump or Biden absolutely must win to be able
Speaker 2: to get to the presidency. I would suggest that Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: is right up there in the top two states that
Speaker 2: you need to win to get to the presidency. Butler, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: as you can see, is nowhere near Philadelphia, which is
Speaker 2: the big Democrat city. Instead, this is the hardcore Maga district.
Speaker 2: The map that you can see there is the Financial
Speaker 2: Times in the United Kingdom. It also gives a sense
Speaker 2: of the red area where the president was and thankfully,
Speaker 2: the site that will not be as infamous as a
Speaker 2: book depository in Dallas, Texas, but could well have been
Speaker 2: by millimeters was this raised area where the person who
Speaker 2: took the shot took a couple of shots and then
Speaker 2: of course was taken down by the people who return fire.
Speaker 2: And thank goodness that that person is dead. It's nine
Speaker 2: o'clock right now on the East coast of Australia. I'm
Speaker 2: bringing you the show, of course, from the temporary man
Speaker 2: cave here in Brisbane. My plan was for Holidays tonight
Speaker 2: to be with the family, but for the most obvious
Speaker 2: of reasons, a special edition of the program tonight will
Speaker 2: be joined by the man who would have been here
Speaker 2: in my absence, James Morrow, who's got plenty to say.
Speaker 1: About all of this. Chris Kenny is here.
Speaker 2: We will have Joe Hockey, who is going to be
Speaker 2: in New York on his way to the Republican Convention
Speaker 2: where Donald Trump, of course we formally nominated, and Ironic
Speaker 2: will be given even greater Secret Service protection. And Alis
Speaker 2: Nielsen will join us as well, Christen Stewart from the
Speaker 2: United States, and a whole lot more. Now, the reason
Speaker 2: I state the time is that breakfast television is of
Speaker 2: course starting in the United States and we are starting
Speaker 2: to get a little bit more information. The most important
Speaker 2: piece of information that I hope comes our way in
Speaker 2: the next sixty minutes is that I can tell you who,
Speaker 2: apart from the gunman, is the other person who is
Speaker 2: dead in this situation.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 2: But first, five things that we need to tell you
Speaker 2: to bring you fully up to date to know what
Speaker 2: is what and what is just the speculation in and
Speaker 2: around this incredibly bizarre day in global history and specifically
Speaker 2: the history of the life of Donald John Trump. Number one, Thankfully,
Speaker 2: the President is okay. He was taken to hospital, he
Speaker 2: came out of hospital. He then flew home on his
Speaker 2: private plane. He ended up in New Jersey. That's where
Speaker 2: he wakes up this morning. The expectation was that he
Speaker 2: only got to bed about five hours ago. He's been
Speaker 2: checked over for obvious signs of physical consequences as to
Speaker 2: what's happened. No doubt the trauma and having to deal
Speaker 2: with that is going to be something that is going
Speaker 2: to play out, hopefully not before our eyes, but clearly
Speaker 2: something he's going to have to deal with. I want
Speaker 2: to read again from what he wrote, not a spokesperson.
Speaker 2: He wrote via truth Social, his preferred social media. It's
Speaker 2: a little lengthy because that's the way he likes to write.
Speaker 2: But still, the thing that's amazing about Trump is just
Speaker 2: like we saw with the blood running down his face
Speaker 2: that he was We saw what emotion he was feeling.
Speaker 2: There was no confusion, He wasn't trying to hide anything.
Speaker 2: He stood up and said fight fight. I want to
Speaker 2: thank the United States Secret Service and all of law
Speaker 2: enforcement for their rapid response on the shooting that just
Speaker 2: took place in Butler in Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want
Speaker 2: to extend my condolences to the family of the person
Speaker 2: at the rally who was killed. Of course, the bullet
Speaker 2: that was supposedly for Trump ended up killing somebody else
Speaker 2: and did so instantly. Again, I've got a bit more
Speaker 2: on that in a moment or two for you. Nothing
Speaker 2: is known at this time about the shoots who is
Speaker 2: now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced
Speaker 2: the upper.
Speaker 1: Part of my right ear.
Speaker 2: I knew immediately that something was wrong that I heard
Speaker 2: a whizzing sound and a couple of shots. I immediately
Speaker 2: felt the bullet ripping through my skin. Much bleeding took place,
Speaker 2: so I realized what had happened.
Speaker 1: God bless America.
Speaker 3: I unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Now Number two normally in these events.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't talk about the person who is responsible,
Speaker 2: but because we don't know all of the details behind it,
Speaker 2: and it's important to tell you here. Yes, the person
Speaker 2: has been identified. Matthew Crooks is the gunman. Now there
Speaker 2: is some reporting online, but I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: to it until we learn more about it, about what
Speaker 2: the political affiliations were or weren't. Again, it's only the
Speaker 2: sun up right now where all of this took place.
Speaker 2: So when we know more, if we know more in
Speaker 2: this hour, i'll tell you. But here's the FBI telling
Speaker 2: us what we would otherwise be knowing as we go
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Tonight.
Speaker 4: FBI have issued a statement confirming that's the alleged Trump
Speaker 4: rally gunman. It's a twenty year old man called Thomas
Speaker 4: Matthew Crooks. At that out in the last few minutes.
Speaker 1: How was the FBI able to try to work out
Speaker 1: whom he was.
Speaker 5: We do not currently have an identified motive, although our
Speaker 5: investigators are working tirelessly to attempt to identify what that
Speaker 5: motive was.
Speaker 2: Third thing worth telling you here is that, as I
Speaker 2: mentioned before, a person who was at the event, they
Speaker 2: have lost their life.
Speaker 1: What did they do wrong nothing.
Speaker 2: They of course, were just on the stage cheering on
Speaker 2: the man who they would like to become the president,
Speaker 2: like tens of thousands were today, hundreds of thousands have
Speaker 2: done before, and.
Speaker 1: Of course when it comes to the voting, millions.
Speaker 2: Of have supported in twenty twenty twenty sixteen, and we'll
Speaker 2: see how many more presumably.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Now the president has apparently spent his waking hours quite
Speaker 2: concerned about who this person is, and we do not
Speaker 2: have a name about who is actually the person who
Speaker 2: has died here.
Speaker 1: But one of the people who was.
Speaker 2: There tending to the wounds but knowing that the wounds
Speaker 2: were fatal, said this.
Speaker 1: Somebody over there was screaming, he's been shot.
Speaker 6: He's been shot.
Speaker 3: So I made my way over.
Speaker 6: I said, I'm an emergency department physician.
Speaker 3: Let me help you.
Speaker 6: The guy has spun around, was jammed between the benches.
Speaker 3: He had a.
Speaker 6: Headshot here, there's lots of blood and he had brand
Speaker 6: matter there. So I got him. There's a holdtopic coming
Speaker 6: in together, So I got people there really helpful. I got,
Speaker 6: you know, the CIPR of bit chest impressions as well
Speaker 6: as a brief one.
Speaker 2: All right, number four not as important as what took
Speaker 2: place today, but it will be come The biggest story
Speaker 2: is the day's roll on, which is questions here about
Speaker 2: who knew what and when there.
Speaker 1: Is has been.
Speaker 2: Of course, when presidents have spoken in the past, like
Speaker 2: Barack Obama the night he became the president in November
Speaker 2: or was elected in November of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: had a bulletproof screen in front of him. When Joe
Speaker 2: Biden speaks at times outside, bulletproof screen is in front
Speaker 2: of him.
Speaker 1: Trump has had it too, but of course.
Speaker 2: As president, not as former president and potential future president.
Speaker 1: Why we will all.
Speaker 2: Find out inevitably in the next couple of days, because
Speaker 2: we are being told that Republicans who have the chance
Speaker 2: to ask people these questions will be doing so as
Speaker 2: early as after the convention. The convention, of course, is
Speaker 2: the big political event that takes place this week. The
Speaker 2: oversight will continue to happen afterwards. You see, because the
Speaker 2: president is a former president, he doesn't have the same
Speaker 2: prediction protection as the current president. And ironically, it's not
Speaker 2: until you officially become the candidate that you start to
Speaker 2: get equal amounts of security to a current president, not
Speaker 2: a former president. Dan bon Gino is a man who
Speaker 2: you may well know, used to be on Fox News,
Speaker 2: has his own show that's particularly.
Speaker 1: Popular on places like Rumble.
Speaker 2: He was part of the Secret Service that actually protected,
Speaker 2: among others, President Obama. He believes that there is something
Speaker 2: very serious here because there were all sorts of claims
Speaker 2: that people saw a government on the roof before he
Speaker 2: took the shot. Now, this could have been seconds or minutes,
Speaker 2: but of course that if we were talking about a
Speaker 2: different story, could have been the whole point actively communicating
Speaker 2: with the number of former colleagues of the Secret Service
Speaker 2: about the assassination attempt. This is obviously a catastrophic failure
Speaker 2: and no excuses should be made or even attempted. The
Speaker 2: failures are profound and questions must be answered about ground surveillance,
Speaker 2: air surveillance, post standard support, counter sniper advance work, and response.
Speaker 1: We have one job.
Speaker 2: We came within inches of a deeply failure today, and
Speaker 2: an uneventful failure is not a success. As I say,
Speaker 2: there is about to be an investigation here. And finally,
Speaker 2: can we not talk about the temperature of the debate
Speaker 2: in United States politics? Now, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who use military style language as euphemism, but there
Speaker 2: are people who, also in euphemism, have died things right
Speaker 2: up to as loud as they possibly could. A perfect
Speaker 2: example of that, I want to play you here is
Speaker 2: the people who have said that Trump is such a
Speaker 2: threat that must be stopped that even the President of
Speaker 2: the United States said that there needed to be a
Speaker 2: bullseye placed on Donald Trump. Now, obviously Joe Biden was
Speaker 2: speaking metaphorically some lunatic, and this is what is always
Speaker 2: the case. A lunatic with a gun has interpreted that
Speaker 2: very differently. But this is what the Democrats have said
Speaker 2: of recent weeks about Donald Trump. Imagine how this goes
Speaker 2: into a sick head.
Speaker 3: He represents a serious threat to the rule of law
Speaker 3: in this country, and anyone with as to see you
Speaker 3: can see that this.
Speaker 7: Is not a normal election. Donald Trump is already demonstrated
Speaker 7: that he's not a normal candidate. He's a fundamental, persistent,
Speaker 7: and growing threats to our democracy, and Joe Biden is
Speaker 7: running to make sure that we in that threat once
Speaker 7: and for all.
Speaker 8: I want there to be checks and balances to prevent
Speaker 8: dictatorships at autocracies. That's what the founders wanted mister Trump
Speaker 8: and his minions that are working for him this time.
Speaker 8: They do not want that.
Speaker 9: Biden has been running on Donald Trump as a threat
Speaker 9: to democracy. He's a threat to our values. I agree
Speaker 9: with him on that Donald Trump is a threat to
Speaker 9: American democracy.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a great threat to our democracy.
Speaker 6: It's important to remind ourselves and everybody else at democracy
Speaker 6: is at stake in this election, and Donald Trump is
Speaker 6: a threat to democracy.
Speaker 8: Given how he has undermined the election results.
Speaker 7: He incited people to come to DC, stirred them up
Speaker 7: that morning, and failed to call him off.
Speaker 1: To me, that threatens our democracy.
Speaker 2: This sort of garbage, in the end means that lunatics
Speaker 2: like this person from the TV show that Orange is
Speaker 2: the New Black, is able to go on t TV
Speaker 2: and say things.
Speaker 8: On this.
Speaker 3: Joe, you now have the right.
Speaker 1: To take that Trump out.
Speaker 3: Take him out, Joe.
Speaker 9: If he was Hitler and this was nineteen forty, you'd
Speaker 9: take him out.
Speaker 3: Well, he is Hitler and this is nineteen forty.
Speaker 1: Take him the out. Seriously.
Speaker 2: People who are groups that have campaigned against Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: who claim to be former Republicans, they have added to
Speaker 2: the overall garbage that this bloke is Hitler. They don't
Speaker 2: hint at it, they say it. Have a look at
Speaker 2: an ad that's been running recently from them online.
Speaker 1: Germany veteran in nineteen thirty three, will we he says,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be in to carry I said
Speaker 1: not other than day one.
Speaker 2: And the media that says this over and over and
Speaker 2: over every hour of every day. Imagine the psycho getting
Speaker 2: ready to try to do what they failed to do today.
Speaker 10: Thank goodness, there is a reason that we and other
Speaker 10: news organizations have generally stopped giving an unfiltered live platform
Speaker 10: to remarks by former President Trump. There is a cost
Speaker 10: to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.
Speaker 3: We're not in the audience.
Speaker 7: We're not carrying his remarks live because, frankly, he says
Speaker 7: a lot of things that are not true and sometimes
Speaker 7: potentially dangerous, explicit.
Speaker 10: About running as an authoritarian?
Speaker 9: Why is he even allowed to run?
Speaker 2: Thankfully, because a man turned his head. Well, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: that much was the difference between us talking about what
Speaker 2: we are tonight versus what we thankfully are not talking.
Speaker 1: About tonight tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Is the man who should have been hosting tonight show
Speaker 2: if the news was not what it is. His plan
Speaker 2: is to be here for the rest of the week
Speaker 2: while all of this continues to be discussed. Chris Kenny,
Speaker 2: of course, will do so on his program tomorrow. James,
Speaker 2: you wrote very eloquently today in the Daily Telegraph that
Speaker 2: the Constant refined about threats to democracy, where we now
Speaker 2: know that somebody who takes a shot, regardless of how
Speaker 2: they identify or what they wrote on the internet, well
Speaker 2: that's the threat to democracy.
Speaker 11: Well, that is completely the threat to democracy. And that's
Speaker 11: where we are right now. We are now in a
Speaker 11: position where the United States, and we haven't been in
Speaker 11: the United States this position for a long long time,
Speaker 11: is seeing political violence directed at a potential and likely
Speaker 11: actually next president of the United States. And what you
Speaker 11: said there before, Paul, is absolutely correct. I've spent the
Speaker 11: day going through what these people say on the left
Speaker 11: and they have literally since Donald Trump came down that
Speaker 11: escalator in the Trump Tower, been seeing exactly this, that
Speaker 11: he is, this potential dictator in the making, that he is,
Speaker 11: you know, a threat to democracy. Nancy Pelosi the other
Speaker 11: day said this election is unlike any other. Everybody else says,
Speaker 11: if he wins, that's the end. Of the American democracy.
Speaker 11: That's the end of the American experiment. I mean, these
Speaker 11: are all completely unhinged, insane things, and as well as
Speaker 11: all of the sort of the violent language, you know.
Speaker 11: I mean Kathy Griffin with the beheaded Donald Trump. You know,
Speaker 11: Anthony Boordine, who everybody loves, is the nice guy chef,
Speaker 11: he wanted to poison Donald Trump. I was going through
Speaker 11: old quotes of people earlier, just before I came on
Speaker 11: the show. This just sort of general rhetoric around Trump
Speaker 11: is so overheated. But the thing that's really hypocritical about this, Paul, is,
Speaker 11: you know, these are all the American elite. These are
Speaker 11: all the rich people in America. These are the people
Speaker 11: with the money who were out there, sophisticated people pumping
Speaker 11: this poison into the American body politic to try and
Speaker 11: scare people off voting for the guy they don't like.
Speaker 1: But if they.
Speaker 11: Believed any of this, Paul, if they actually believed that
Speaker 11: democracy was under threat, you know, with Trump ahead of
Speaker 11: the Pauls and so on, why aren't they, you know,
Speaker 11: coming to Australia and Canada and elsewhere, buying houses and
Speaker 11: moving their money out and trying to get out of
Speaker 11: the United States, if they thought this was really going
Speaker 11: to be a dictatorship, you know, if it was really
Speaker 11: like nineteen thirty is Germany, people who beg their bills
Speaker 11: and they're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you now, both James and Chris are
Speaker 2: going to be around for the full hour. Chris, again,
Speaker 2: I saw your thoughts this morning. But like me and
Speaker 2: James and everyone else watching that swirl of stuff that's
Speaker 2: been in our head all day, and again you can
Speaker 2: see right now on the screen a whole range of
Speaker 2: people who are you all in, always in on Trump,
Speaker 2: to kind of in on Trump, to never Trump is,
Speaker 2: to Trump, skeptics, all the rest of it, but all
Speaker 2: of it are absolutely united tonight, Chris, your thoughts at
Speaker 2: the end of a wild day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Paul.
Speaker 12: And we all know we're talking about millimeters from an assassination,
Speaker 12: millimeters from Donald Trump being killed, and lord knows what
Speaker 12: would be facing now. But let's remember, as you pointed out, Paul,
Speaker 12: that someone turned up at that rally today, presumably someone
Speaker 12: just wanting to be there to hear the ideas of
Speaker 12: a candidate they support, and they're now dead. There has
Speaker 12: been a fatality today, an innocent person dead for being
Speaker 12: involved in the contest of ideas in democracy, and.
Speaker 1: That is tragic.
Speaker 12: Now, the point about this that you've both touched on,
Speaker 12: the point I wanted to make is, of course there's
Speaker 12: extremists on both sides. We know that there are nuts
Speaker 12: in the Trump camp who have said and done the
Speaker 12: wrong thing over the past four or five years. But
Speaker 12: the difference is they are denounced and highlighted and prosecuted
Speaker 12: and exposed in the media and political debate every day
Speaker 12: saturation coverage.
Speaker 1: But what we have on the other side is.
Speaker 12: This absolutely, absolutely extreme hatred from the left that is
Speaker 12: not chastised by the media, that is not chastised by
Speaker 12: the democratic political leadership. It's actually amplified and spread by
Speaker 12: the media and the Democrats, so that you've got the
Speaker 12: president of the country, Joe.
Speaker 1: Biden, telling people that.
Speaker 12: His opponent is a threat to the very existence of
Speaker 12: his own country. This stuff is inflammatory, is divisive, and
Speaker 12: it has consequences, and the media has to own up
Speaker 12: to its share of the problem here, the US media,
Speaker 12: but of course the media right across the world, because
Speaker 12: our leftist media.
Speaker 1: Does the same thing.
Speaker 12: They're not interested in policies, they're not interested in ideas.
Speaker 12: They're not interested in the democratic choices of the American people.
Speaker 12: They are just interested in portraying Donald Trump as some
Speaker 12: sort of evil man that must be stopped no matter what,
Speaker 12: which is ridiculous when you think about it. The guy
Speaker 12: became president because he was elected, and of course they're
Speaker 12: trying to stop people having the chance to vote.
Speaker 1: For him again. This time they're the ones who are
Speaker 1: trying to.
Speaker 12: Prevent democracy being exercised. And one last point before anybody forgets,
Speaker 12: when Hillary Clinton lost in twenty sixteen, she said that
Speaker 12: Donald Trump was an illegitimate president because she won the
Speaker 12: popular vote, not the electoral college, and she called on
Speaker 12: people to resist and there were violent protests around the
Speaker 12: United States. So this is a terrible exercise of anti
Speaker 12: democratic rehtoric and hatred from the American left especially, And
Speaker 12: will they wake up to it?
Speaker 1: They should, of course, but I fear not.
Speaker 2: Analys Nielsen is in Milwaukee because this week was supposed
Speaker 2: well is going to be the official crowning of Donald
Speaker 2: Trump as the presidential nominee. People were going to tune
Speaker 2: in any way, but imagine now if this first utterances
Speaker 2: post this event are going to be on that stage
Speaker 2: there'll be multiple days for him to do that, apart
Speaker 2: from his official speech, which of course comes towards the
Speaker 2: end of the week. Analse, I've already seen some of
Speaker 2: the online reportings saying, well, this person was a registered Republican,
Speaker 2: as if that matters, as if somehow that changes what
Speaker 2: we all saw with our own eyes, as if this
Speaker 2: was some sort of a inside job. No, a crazy
Speaker 2: person tried to kill Donald Trump. And if millimeters millimeters
Speaker 2: was difference, we would have been talking about the death
Speaker 2: of a former US president.
Speaker 13: Oh and I want to put that in context for
Speaker 13: people as well, because the system in Australia is different
Speaker 13: to the United States, who are quite right in saying
Speaker 13: before that Pennsylvania is one of the most important states
Speaker 13: for either party to win to become president. And this
Speaker 13: is pretty common for people who have the opposing political
Speaker 13: view to register with the other party because what that
Speaker 13: allows them to do is then vote in primaries to
Speaker 13: pick the other party's candidates. So you often see these
Speaker 13: small groups get together to do that to try to
Speaker 13: sway the nomination. And the other thing with that is
Speaker 13: they get to go on and sometimes do media interviews
Speaker 13: or post online and then say I'm a registered Republican,
Speaker 13: but I can't stand Donald Trump. You don't have to
Speaker 13: vote for him either, So that has to be put
Speaker 13: in context. And we're going to be pouring over this
Speaker 13: guy's life in the next few days to figure out
Speaker 13: exactly what prompted this. And this is interesting too, because
Speaker 13: there's all this discussion about how long it took some
Speaker 13: people to call it an assassination. I think once we
Speaker 13: got to the point where we realized a shot had
Speaker 13: been fired at the president former president, although they do
Speaker 13: retain their title in the US after you leave office,
Speaker 13: his store referred to as President Trump at a political rally,
Speaker 13: it was what other options were there beyond reasonable doubt,
Speaker 13: And we have seen some media outlets be very slow
Speaker 13: on that uptake, leaning on the more technical legal definitions
Speaker 13: to get to that point. But most Americans watched last
Speaker 13: night the attempted assassination of the most influential politician that
Speaker 13: we've had in this country in the last few decades,
Speaker 13: and this is going to undoubtedly completely upend this election campaign.
Speaker 2: So Annaly's obviously the great reveal of the Republican Convention
Speaker 2: was going to be whom was to be Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: vice president. He has previously said that it wasn't about
Speaker 2: somebody who could inherit the presidency because he wouldn't be
Speaker 2: able to continue on.
Speaker 1: But we got reminded today.
Speaker 2: That there have been presidents in the past who don't
Speaker 2: get to make that choice, and it's nothing to do
Speaker 2: with what they knew was going to happen on that day.
Speaker 2: It means that that decision is as consequential as ever,
Speaker 2: but we've been reminded of it. The expectations is that
Speaker 2: a bloke who's the governor of North Dakota, or Marco Rubio,
Speaker 2: who years ago was Little Marco but now is from
Speaker 2: the same state of Florida as Trump. But has there
Speaker 2: been any thing that you've heard about Trump changing whom
Speaker 2: he may be choosing as his vice presidential pick based
Speaker 2: off the events of the past twenty four hours or
Speaker 2: is it as silent as it was for the previous
Speaker 2: twenty four hours before that.
Speaker 13: Look, the reporting is that Donald Trump still hasn't actually
Speaker 13: made up his mind, and that's very likely. Donald Trump
Speaker 13: makes his own decisions. He does what he wants, and
Speaker 13: that's why a lot of the reporting around Project twenty
Speaker 13: twenty five is way off base because as many If
Speaker 13: people haven't heard of it, it's a right wing think
Speaker 13: tank in Washington, DC's put together it's ideal blueprint. It's
Speaker 13: wishless for a Trump administration, and it's been seized on
Speaker 13: by the left as saying, look at this horror that's
Speaker 13: coming for us in a Trump administration. Trump does what
Speaker 13: Trump does. You can put as many blueprints in front
Speaker 13: of him as you like. He's going to make the
Speaker 13: calls he wants. And that's very much the sense we're
Speaker 13: getting his vice presidential candidate pick. And I think for
Speaker 13: a lot of people, they're going to be looking at
Speaker 13: this and it's put into that kind of sharp focus
Speaker 13: for my generation that's never seen anything like this before
Speaker 13: that vice presidents can be forced to step up. This
Speaker 13: is why there is a succession. And they'd be looking
Speaker 13: at Joe Biden saying how would he have done in
Speaker 13: that situation. I don't think we would have seen a
Speaker 13: fist bump from him. He would have most likely had
Speaker 13: to be carried off stage if the same thing happened
Speaker 13: to him, And they'd be looking at Kamla as more
Speaker 13: of a realistic actually going to have to step up
Speaker 13: if they weren't already thinking that way already when we're
Speaker 13: talking about the vice presidential candidates. I still think Marko
Speaker 13: Rubio is a tricky choice for them because he's from
Speaker 13: the same state of Florida, and there is the risk
Speaker 13: that they open themselves up to a legal challenge to
Speaker 13: allow the Democrats to challenge the electoral College votes Florida.
Speaker 13: Because of the US Constitution, that's the rule that you
Speaker 13: can't have the Electoral College votes counted from the same state,
Speaker 13: and that's been amended since the last challenge. But this
Speaker 13: is a real issue. Why would you open yourself up
Speaker 13: for that just to appeal to the Hispanic vote that's
Speaker 13: overwhelmingly leaning towards Trump anyway in the states where it matters.
Speaker 13: So I still think it's probably more likely a JD
Speaker 13: events with Doug Bergham and Tim Scott's kind of fallen
Speaker 13: by the wayside because he's too pro life. But we
Speaker 13: don't know. We're still waiting for Trump to make up
Speaker 13: his mind.
Speaker 2: Analyst Neilson, my goodness, the things you have seen in
Speaker 2: the time that you have been there for Sky News.
Speaker 2: I am so grateful that you were the person who's
Speaker 2: doing the reporting from the United States it's in Milwaukee
Speaker 2: and then back to Chicago where all a bunch of
Speaker 2: other crazy things are going to happen.
Speaker 1: Let alone where the by and sticks around.
Speaker 2: And obviously Trump's response, You're the best mate, Thank you
Speaker 2: very much for the chat tonight. Kristen Tate is somebody
Speaker 2: you often see with Chris on his program. She's the
Speaker 2: sky and his contributor. I'll get Chris to ask her
Speaker 2: a question in a second, because I am borrowing a
Speaker 2: guest from his.
Speaker 1: Lineup from later in the week.
Speaker 2: But Kristin, nice to see you under the worst possible
Speaker 2: circumstances we meet. But I've got to say I was
Speaker 2: there's no other way for this. I was pissed at.
Speaker 1: The way that Biden responded.
Speaker 2: Biden responded in his usual all over the place fashion,
Speaker 2: but he did not speak with the gravity of the moment,
Speaker 2: the seriousness of the moment. And that's because, of course,
Speaker 2: one of the many things that the Democrats have done
Speaker 2: to this point is that they've hated on Trump to
Speaker 2: such a level that they've dehumanized him. That you could
Speaker 2: see in their reaction to his potential death, they still
Speaker 2: had a stump speech about uniting the country.
Speaker 9: That's right, and most Americans are reacting in horror to
Speaker 9: this incident, but I can't say that many are shocked.
Speaker 9: Nobody should be shocked by this assassination attamp because left
Speaker 9: wing leaders, including the President, have regularly told their constituents
Speaker 9: that Trump and his supporters, by the way, are xenophobic,
Speaker 9: white nationalist Nazis. I mean, Biden, Kamala Harris, the Obamas
Speaker 9: regularly imply or straight out say that Trump is a racist,
Speaker 9: as though it's a given fact. I mean, just on Monday,
Speaker 9: Biden was telling his donors it was time to put
Speaker 9: Trump in the bull's eye. And this kind of rhetoric,
Speaker 9: it's divisive, it's deranged, and it leads to deranged or
Speaker 9: even violent behavior. And let's not forget this. Left wing
Speaker 9: violence has been on the rise since the day Trump
Speaker 9: was inaugurated in twenty sixteen. On Inauguration Day, police indicted
Speaker 9: more than two hundred rioters. The riots injured six cops
Speaker 9: and caused millions of dollars in damage. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 9: leftists burned down this country with impunity. They have been
Speaker 9: escalating the violence by bit, and here we are today.
Speaker 9: There is a permissive culture of violence that has exploded
Speaker 9: on today's in today's left wing, and it is a
Speaker 9: miracle that Donald Trump is alive today.
Speaker 3: God bless him.
Speaker 9: He came within an inch of death. So pray for
Speaker 9: America today.
Speaker 12: Pray for Americans, Kristin, Chris Kenny here. First thing I
Speaker 12: got to say is thanks for your text this morning.
Speaker 12: I wasn't watching TV, well, listening to the radio. You
Speaker 12: let me know what had happened. I switched on the
Speaker 12: sky and we're all over it here. It is shocking news.
Speaker 12: Just give us your brief assessment of what this tragic
Speaker 12: event does for the looming presidential race.
Speaker 9: Well, of course everyone's on edge. I mean, this has
Speaker 9: exposed so much, Chris, about our country, the hatred that
Speaker 9: has been festering on particularly the left, and it has
Speaker 9: made Americans terrified that this could happen again. So there's
Speaker 9: definitely height and fear right now. Just in terms of politics,
Speaker 9: of course, this helps Donald Trump's campaign tremendously. It will
Speaker 9: rally support around him, and it showed how strong Donald
Speaker 9: Trump is. That guy is such a fighter to get
Speaker 9: shot like that and then immediately put your fist up
Speaker 9: in a show of strength and tell your supporters fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 9: we saw a lion in that moment, and I think
Speaker 9: it made people so proud of Donald Trump. So God,
Speaker 9: I don't know what to expect in the next few months.
Speaker 9: It will be an unprecedented few months in American politics.
Speaker 9: People are very afraid, but Donald Trump showed he's not
Speaker 9: just a showman. He is a fighter and he will
Speaker 9: continue to fight for the American people. And by the way,
Speaker 9: I just want to say, I find it disgusting that
Speaker 9: President Biden and the Obamas are putting out these statements
Speaker 9: saying we wish for a speedy recovery. Really, after years
Speaker 9: of escalating this kind of violence, with the rhetoric about
Speaker 9: Trump and his supporters being white supremacists and Nazis, those
Speaker 9: people should be ashamed of themselves. But politically this certainly
Speaker 9: does help Trump's campaign. As tragic as the events are
Speaker 9: of the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: No, it's well and truly part of the equation. We've
Speaker 1: all thought.
Speaker 2: Again, it's been a day of such strange emotions. Thankfully
Speaker 2: relief at the end of it, but of course the
Speaker 2: political calculation is inevitably part of it. Kristin, thank you
Speaker 2: for the quick chat tonight, but we'll see you of course,
Speaker 2: with Chris again later in the week. I'm going to
Speaker 2: take a quick break now, back with Chris and James
Speaker 2: throughout the rest of the night, but Joe Hockey will
Speaker 2: join us from New York City in a moment or
Speaker 2: two time. Of course, he knows the.
Speaker 1: President very well.
Speaker 2: I really want to get into what his reaction was
Speaker 2: about that reaction from Trump where he just took to
Speaker 2: his feet, fight, fight, fight. That is a set of
Speaker 2: stones on a bloke at the worst moment of his life. Honessing,
Speaker 2: Joe Hockey was the ambassador to the United States. He
Speaker 2: was instrumental during the Trump administration. He obviously saw his
Speaker 2: success because Australia was one of only a couple of
Speaker 2: countries to receive a state visit. He was intimately involved
Speaker 2: in all of that. He's had meetings in the Oval Office,
Speaker 2: He's had private time on the golf course. He well
Speaker 2: and truly knows Donald Trump very well. He's part of
Speaker 2: our coverage of the American election, specifically the conventions that
Speaker 2: will start this week with the Republicans and then the
Speaker 2: Democrats a little later. And I'm pleased to say we
Speaker 2: get the chance to talk for the first time this cycle.
Speaker 2: Now but I'm sad it's on a day like this, Joe.
Speaker 2: The reaction of Trump in the moment, I just can't.
Speaker 2: It's an inelegant way to put it. But you know
Speaker 2: me to be so at times. The balls this bloke
Speaker 2: has that when he's been shot at, when he doesn't
Speaker 2: know what's going on, but still stands up with blood
Speaker 2: on his face and says, fight, fight, fight. This is
Speaker 2: a bloke who they've tried to bankrupt, jail and someone
Speaker 2: tried to kill him, and that was his reaction. What
Speaker 2: does that tell you about the bloke you know better
Speaker 2: than all of us.
Speaker 14: It confirms what I know, Paul, that Donald Trump is
Speaker 14: a strong man. Look, I've spoken with him about this
Speaker 14: sort of event possibly occurring.
Speaker 3: When the first time I played golf.
Speaker 14: With him, and you know, he pointed out all the
Speaker 14: golf carts and all the security. He was amused by it,
Speaker 14: and if you like all the security around him as president,
Speaker 14: and you know, I think he thought that this was
Speaker 14: a very real risk for him. His reaction was, these
Speaker 14: budders are not going to get me down, and they're
Speaker 14: not going to get you down. And this is the
Speaker 14: moment where we stand.
Speaker 3: Up, where we fight we fight for what we believe, so.
Speaker 14: He, in a sense expected there would be an attempt.
Speaker 14: I think every president and every presidential canidate does expect
Speaker 14: it because the Secret Service come so all encompassing in
Speaker 14: their lives.
Speaker 3: It's just the reality.
Speaker 14: You hope that that one crazy person doesn't get a
Speaker 14: fair shot, and in this instance that did.
Speaker 2: Does the system have the capacity to investigate what happened
Speaker 2: today in a timely, methodical fashion that we will know
Speaker 2: before the election. Obviously it's not a voting issue, but
Speaker 2: clearly there are Republicans who want to find out if
Speaker 2: it's true that people saw people and people weren't doing
Speaker 2: enough the claims no doubt that you've heard too about
Speaker 2: the amount of protection that he had or was allowed
Speaker 2: to have, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to be able to investigate
Speaker 2: this or the mere nature of frankly, the fire breathing
Speaker 2: Republicans that would be doing the investigating would mean that
Speaker 2: the normal resistance will come from those being investigated.
Speaker 14: No, this will be thoroughly investigated. This goes to the
Speaker 14: heart of the capability of the Secret Service and the
Speaker 14: FBI and law enforcement agencies to protect a candidate for
Speaker 14: the presidency. I mean, there will be people crawling all
Speaker 14: over it. The question is what is the reaction. And
Speaker 14: I think, you know, there will be transparency on this
Speaker 14: because Donald Trump has a better than even chance of
Speaker 14: being the next president of the United States, you know.
Speaker 14: I think what's most alarming is that it has been
Speaker 14: weaponized to some degree. I know from just observation that
Speaker 14: the security detail around the President Trump as a candidate
Speaker 14: is much less than around President Trump as the president,
Speaker 14: but it's still he had a higher level of protection
Speaker 14: than President Clinton. I mean President and Clinton has you know,
Speaker 14: three or four people at best around him with an
Speaker 14: advanced party. So Donald Trump had, you know, a lot
Speaker 14: of security. This was obviously a major security breach and
Speaker 14: I have no doubt that it'll be heavily scrutinized, and
Speaker 14: I would expect that when we go to Milwaukee later
Speaker 14: today for the Republican National Convention, security is going to
Speaker 14: be overwhelming, overwhelming.
Speaker 11: Joe Hockey, Joe Tomorrow here in Sydney. I just wanted
Speaker 11: to ask about, you know, you know Donald Trump, and
Speaker 11: you know his personality, and I think we all know
Speaker 11: it by proxy through watching him on TV.
Speaker 1: This issue of security.
Speaker 11: There's obviously going to be a big call for a
Speaker 11: lot more security around him, and yet at the same time,
Speaker 11: Trump really thrives on getting that contact with the crowd,
Speaker 11: getting energy off of the crowd. At all of these
Speaker 11: sorts of things, how do you think they're going to
Speaker 11: balance and where do you think Trump's instinct is going
Speaker 11: to take him, you know, in this try to strike
Speaker 11: this balance. I mean, I can't imagine he'd really want
Speaker 11: to be speaking in a plexiglass box for example.
Speaker 3: No, he won't.
Speaker 14: And his next appearance will be at the Republican National Convention,
Speaker 14: which is you know, a very a very controlled atmosphere.
Speaker 14: There'd be about five six thousand in the in the stadium.
Speaker 14: And this will have an impact on Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I mean, let's be real about it.
Speaker 14: He has come within one inch of dime, and you know,
Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty hundred and forty yards for a
Speaker 14: shot is very close. It was, you know, a significant
Speaker 14: security breach.
Speaker 3: There's no argument about it.
Speaker 14: And I think it's really important to recognize that.
Speaker 3: He's very human about these things.
Speaker 14: He's going to think of himself as being blessed, He'll
Speaker 14: think of himself as being lucky. But it will also
Speaker 14: give him cause to reflect carefully on who his running
Speaker 14: mate will be. To date, the focus of his attention
Speaker 14: has been on a running mate who is loyal. He
Speaker 14: doesn't see didn't see Mike Pencer's being loyal to him,
Speaker 14: and he's overwhelmingly focused on having in the first place,
Speaker 14: a deputy that's loyal to him and not going to
Speaker 14: undermine him. But now with this reality, there's going to
Speaker 14: be a greater focus on the running mates of both
Speaker 14: Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and there will be deep
Speaker 14: reflection by Donald Trump, because I'm sure he hasn't made
Speaker 14: the final decision on who is going to announce as
Speaker 14: his vice presidential candate later this week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not going to play a psychologist on television.
Speaker 2: But I think it's completely correct what you just said
Speaker 2: about an insight into him as a human being and
Speaker 2: all of us. I mean, when something is profound as
Speaker 2: something like this happens, you know, there are some people
Speaker 2: who sort of become completely tranquil. There are others that
Speaker 2: just maintain the rage or even find a new form
Speaker 2: of it. We saw what happened in the initial moment,
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens into the future. Has no doubt,
Speaker 2: his kids, you know, his kids, his wife, people start
Speaker 2: to tell him that, hey, that was close, and every
Speaker 2: day since he's crazy and it's going to be wild
Speaker 2: to see last one here, Joe. And I'm not going
Speaker 2: to ask you who's going to win, but I do
Speaker 2: want to ask you this question, which was so right
Speaker 2: now on the national polls, Trump's up by two. Doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter what the national poles say. It's all about
Speaker 2: the swing states. He's winning in all the swing states
Speaker 2: that he needs to, including Pennsylvania closest gets his place
Speaker 2: like Michigan. And even then it looks like, according to
Speaker 2: Real Clear Politics is up by one point. There that
Speaker 2: said five point thirty eight. They run these little little
Speaker 2: funny machines to work out the different cycles of what
Speaker 2: could happen, and they say it's fifty one scenarios where
Speaker 2: Biden wins in forty nine percent forty nine scenarios where
Speaker 2: Trump wins. We saw that after the meltdown of Biden
Speaker 2: at the debates, these numbers didn't fall by ten percent.
Speaker 2: And presumably the number of people who hate Donald Trump
Speaker 2: don't automatically love him as a result of this. What
Speaker 2: does it tell you about American politics, if a candidate
Speaker 2: is shot at and survives, yet nothing happens to their polls.
Speaker 1: About the wider politics.
Speaker 14: Well, division America is deeply entrenched, and it's based on
Speaker 14: overwhelmingly policy differences rather than personalities. I mean, the danger
Speaker 14: in Australia and elsewhere in the world is all you
Speaker 14: see is, you know, the stark differences and the personalities
Speaker 14: between the candidates, But what entrenches their support and the
Speaker 14: support of their parties are the policy differences. There are
Speaker 14: deep policy divisions between the Democrats and the Republicans on
Speaker 14: tax on tariffs, on immigration, on abortion, on gun ownership
Speaker 14: and gun law reform. There are deep divisions in international relations,
Speaker 14: in manufacturing, in regulation, in climate change, and that's what
Speaker 14: hardens the base. You know, what the base looks for
Speaker 14: is a strong, powerful advocate for the policies that they want.
Speaker 14: In various elections, it was hard, for example, in the
Speaker 14: UK to tell a difference at the end between the
Speaker 14: Tories and the Labor Party on you know, both wanted
Speaker 14: to nationalize the railways for example. Well, that doesn't occur
Speaker 14: in the US, and so when you look at the
Speaker 14: deep policies, it means that the people are not going
Speaker 14: to move in their votes.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 14: The next step up is to look at the swing voters,
Speaker 14: and unquestionably there is going to be movement from those
Speaker 14: swing voters, firstly over Joe Biden's cognitive health. And secondly,
Speaker 14: this will impact them because the defiance Trump showed will
Speaker 14: be reflected with defiance in the electorate. But the third
Speaker 14: key factor in American politics is whether people are fired
Speaker 14: up enough to go out to vote. And this is
Speaker 14: the key point to watch. You know, people the Democrats
Speaker 14: were really worried that their voters were not going to
Speaker 14: go out to vote for Joe Biden after that debate.
Speaker 14: If Joe Biden loses just one in twelve votes from
Speaker 14: twenty twenty, then not only does he lose the election
Speaker 14: to Donald Trump, but they'll lose forty seats in the House.
Speaker 14: If Donald Trump simply gets the same vote that he
Speaker 14: got in the last election, then he wins.
Speaker 3: The presidency under those circumstances. And this is the point.
Speaker 3: I don't believe Donald Trump Trump.
Speaker 14: I don't believe Donald Trump has lost a single vote
Speaker 14: from twenty twenty, and in fact, he will build it.
Speaker 14: He will build his vote from twenty twenty, which was
Speaker 14: the second highest ever vote for a US presidential candidate.
Speaker 14: I think now it's becoming clear that the same people
Speaker 14: that turned out to vote for Joe Biden in twenty
Speaker 14: twenty are motivated this time.
Speaker 2: Well, some of them are literally trying to get him
Speaker 2: off the ticket. This is why we love talking to you,
Speaker 2: not just your knowledge of inside baseball, but your capacity
Speaker 2: to explain it to simple folks like me.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your inside I'm always glad that you're part
Speaker 2: of the team. And we'll see you all week and
Speaker 2: all campaign long here on scot News.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe, Thanks very much, Bosh.
Speaker 2: Joe Hockey, of course, the former ambassad to the United States,
Speaker 2: former Treasurer and a very good man. Of course, Bondo
Speaker 2: Partners is what he does now with his relationships between
Speaker 2: Australia and the United States.
Speaker 1: All right, quick breakback with more.
Speaker 2: We're hearing that there is about to be some communication
Speaker 2: from Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: If we haven't, we will do so straight after the break.
Speaker 1: But we continue with plenty to talk about, including.
Speaker 2: Perhaps the most amazing photo of the day. And you
Speaker 2: think you've seen it all until you've seen this folk.
Speaker 2: All right, Donald Trump has just taken to truth social
Speaker 2: He has posted another message, this one after waking up
Speaker 2: in New Jersey after spending a part of his time
Speaker 2: in hospital post the shooting. Thank you to everyone for
Speaker 2: your thoughts and prayers yesterday. It was God alone who
Speaker 2: prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will fear not but
Speaker 2: remain resilient in our faith and defiance in the face
Speaker 2: of wickedness.
Speaker 1: Our love goes out to the other.
Speaker 2: Victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of
Speaker 2: those that have been wounded, and hold in our hearts
Speaker 2: the memory of a citizen who was horribly killed. In
Speaker 2: this moment, it is more important than ever that we
Speaker 2: stand united and show our true character as Americans, remaining
Speaker 2: strong and determined and not allowing evil to win. I
Speaker 2: truly love our country, and I love you all, and
Speaker 2: I look forward to speaking to our great nation this
Speaker 2: week in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump.
Speaker 2: All right, Chris Kenny and James Morrow. I'm so glad
Speaker 2: you are the two guys that we've been sharing this
Speaker 2: hour with to try to get a head around what's
Speaker 2: been happening.
Speaker 1: Have I missed anything so far? Chris? What's left to say?
Speaker 12: Now I don't think you have Paul as, but there's
Speaker 12: plenty left to say. Of course, you talked a bit
Speaker 12: about the massive security failure. The one point I would
Speaker 12: make is that those secret Service agents, of course, are
Speaker 12: desperate to protect Donald Trump. They put themselves in harm's way,
Speaker 12: putting themselves around the former president in case there was
Speaker 12: any more gunfire. So I hope we don't get too
Speaker 12: many conspiracy theories. We're getting them from the right and
Speaker 12: the left out the moment. This was obviously a failure
Speaker 12: not to have police on that rooftop that had direct
Speaker 12: line of sight of the stage, and we'll wait for
Speaker 12: all those repercussions to play out. The other point is
Speaker 12: what Donald Trump reacted. You've spoken eloquently about that, so
Speaker 12: did Joe Hockey.
Speaker 1: But to me, that was all about leadership.
Speaker 12: Here was a bloke who realized in the moment that
Speaker 12: he had to first show his enemies and his critics
Speaker 12: that he wasn't going to bow down, that he wasn't
Speaker 12: going to be defeated, and he also had to show
Speaker 12: his supporters and especially those people at the rally, that
Speaker 12: he was okay and he was going to fight on.
Speaker 12: So I thought that was very very important as well.
Speaker 2: What wasn't that amazing too, James, When you actually look
Speaker 2: back at the footage as everyone has today, the people
Speaker 2: in the front row don't move. I was hearing Innyviews
Speaker 2: with those people saying no, no, until we knew he was okay,
Speaker 2: we weren't going to move. They almost had the mentality
Speaker 2: of the Secret Service. That is a man who is
Speaker 2: loved by his supporters, who has a movement, and we
Speaker 2: all know how that works. In the next little while, again,
Speaker 2: anything you want to add before we finish up and
Speaker 2: hand over to the rest of the news tonight.
Speaker 11: I just added a couple of things just on the
Speaker 11: politics of this. You know, a couple of things have happened.
Speaker 11: I think that because in America it's not compulsory voting.
Speaker 11: I think this has galvanized every single Republican and Trump
Speaker 11: voter to go out and vote, and go out and
Speaker 11: vote for Donald Trump. I think that that is a
Speaker 11: huge advantage of the Republicans have. I think Joe Biden,
Speaker 11: I think any talk of him stepping down for Kamala
Speaker 11: Harris isn't going to happen now because there the Kamala
Speaker 11: Harris wants to be the nominee and go into this
Speaker 11: election that you will almost surely lose. Now the Democrats,
Speaker 11: I think are toast and I think that, you know,
Speaker 11: just in terms of the broader politics here too, I
Speaker 11: think that this incident has now taken away any sort
Speaker 11: of social stigma around saying in the United States. I've
Speaker 11: spoken to several people about this that you're a Trump supporter.
Speaker 11: I think that this is a huge boost of morale
Speaker 11: for Trump people, and it's a huge blow to the
Speaker 11: Trump hating commercial media networks in the US, the CNN,
Speaker 11: the NBCs, all the others you know, who have just
Speaker 11: covered themselves in the opposite of glory today.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been amazing to watch them again, you know,
Speaker 2: the adjectives they choose not to use, the pause with
Speaker 2: which they got to the absurdity of Senn referring to
Speaker 2: it as a fall, and even even on some of
Speaker 2: these sites still it's Donald Trump says his view was
Speaker 2: come on now. This photo, by the way, which is
Speaker 2: up right now front page of the New York Times,
Speaker 2: it challenges the photo that I said at the start
Speaker 2: was going to be the image. But have a look
Speaker 2: at that. You can actually see the image of the
Speaker 2: bullet that has passed his year. That along with the
Speaker 2: image that we started the program with, if we can
Speaker 2: show that again, they become the defining ones of an
Speaker 2: incredible day.
Speaker 1: Thank you, lads, I appreciate it. One last week poll
Speaker 1: of you in your glory.
Speaker 12: Yeah, happy birthday, big fellow.
Speaker 11: Great to have you back for your happy birthday.
Speaker 1: To night. Thank you your beautiful boys. I appreciate it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I look forward to being with the family for the
Speaker 2: rest of the week. But if the news dictates will
Speaker 2: be of course we'll be back. James will be in
Speaker 2: the chair between now and then. Thank you lads, of course,
Speaker 2: Chris tomorrow at five pm. What a day, what a
Speaker 2: crazy day, and I'm so pleased we've been able to
Speaker 2: talk about it here tonight. The latest news is next
Speaker 2: here on Sky News.