WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 14 July

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in Center. This is Paul Murray Live

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<v Speaker 1>today from Brisbane. Today has been one heck of a day,

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Our emotions have been all over the place, from shock

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<v Speaker 2>at what we were watching this morning, to fear about

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<v Speaker 2>what could have happened, relief that it didn't, and a

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<v Speaker 2>sense of fear that will this stuff happen again. The

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<v Speaker 2>reality of history and it's huge tectonic shifts and it's

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<v Speaker 2>huge swing moments. It's pretty incredible. In the hours and

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<v Speaker 2>hours and reams and breams of things that have been

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<v Speaker 2>said since the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, somebody was

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<v Speaker 2>explaining that, for those of you who know your history,

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<v Speaker 2>the event that started World War One was an assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>The assassination only took place because a car took the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong turn and Kennedy ended up dying because the driver

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<v Speaker 2>of his car slowed down when the first shot started

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<v Speaker 2>ringing in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>And today is we've all.

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<v Speaker 2>Been doing the sums and thinking, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about you, but starting.

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<v Speaker 1>To work it out physically.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference is less than a centimeter when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the story we talk about tonight versus the tragedy

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<v Speaker 2>that would have happened. Remember, of course, that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was speaking directly to the crowd, and then he turned

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<v Speaker 2>was only a couple of seconds after turning that the

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<v Speaker 2>shot is taken, and obviously it hits his ear, not

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<v Speaker 2>the back of his head. It's been a wild day now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of us who've been watching Trump for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the most maga amongst.

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<v Speaker 2>Us and never Trump in the center right of politics,

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<v Speaker 2>or somebody who has had Trumped arrangement syndrome since he

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<v Speaker 2>came down the escalator.

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<v Speaker 1>All those years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretly, not so secretly, quietly or not so quietly, have

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<v Speaker 2>of course.

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<v Speaker 1>All feared of a daylight today.

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<v Speaker 2>However, thankfully, because of that much of a difference and

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<v Speaker 2>the way that his head turned, the defining image of

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<v Speaker 2>today is the image that will ring out on front

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<v Speaker 2>pages around the world, and that will be remembered way

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the natural life of the forty fifth and potentially

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<v Speaker 2>forty seventh president. The idea that any of us would

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<v Speaker 2>have reacted as he reacted in that moment is of

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<v Speaker 2>course extraordinary. You've all seen the footage of what took place.

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<v Speaker 2>You've all heard the long, painful seconds in and around it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many questions about part of the security preparation,

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily the response. But let me try to give

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<v Speaker 2>you a couple of extra details that maybe you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>caught up with today that helped put all of this

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<v Speaker 2>into a bit of a better setting as we all

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<v Speaker 2>try to work out what the hell happened today. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>it happened in a Trump rally, like any other Trump rally,

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<v Speaker 2>this one in the deep red part of a state

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<v Speaker 2>called Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is one of the six states that

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<v Speaker 2>either Trump or Biden absolutely must win to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the presidency. I would suggest that Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>is right up there in the top two states that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to win to get to the presidency. Butler, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can see, is nowhere near Philadelphia, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the big Democrat city. Instead, this is the hardcore Maga district.

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<v Speaker 2>The map that you can see there is the Financial

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<v Speaker 2>Times in the United Kingdom. It also gives a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of the red area where the president was and thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>the site that will not be as infamous as a

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<v Speaker 2>book depository in Dallas, Texas, but could well have been

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<v Speaker 2>by millimeters was this raised area where the person who

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<v Speaker 2>took the shot took a couple of shots and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course was taken down by the people who return fire.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank goodness that that person is dead. It's nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock right now on the East coast of Australia. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>bringing you the show, of course, from the temporary man

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<v Speaker 2>cave here in Brisbane. My plan was for Holidays tonight

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<v Speaker 2>to be with the family, but for the most obvious

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<v Speaker 2>of reasons, a special edition of the program tonight will

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<v Speaker 2>be joined by the man who would have been here

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<v Speaker 2>in my absence, James Morrow, who's got plenty to say.

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<v Speaker 1>About all of this. Chris Kenny is here.

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<v Speaker 2>We will have Joe Hockey, who is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in New York on his way to the Republican Convention

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<v Speaker 2>where Donald Trump, of course we formally nominated, and Ironic

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<v Speaker 2>will be given even greater Secret Service protection. And Alis

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<v Speaker 2>Nielsen will join us as well, Christen Stewart from the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, and a whole lot more. Now, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>I state the time is that breakfast television is of

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<v Speaker 2>course starting in the United States and we are starting

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<v Speaker 2>to get a little bit more information. The most important

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<v Speaker 2>piece of information that I hope comes our way in

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<v Speaker 2>the next sixty minutes is that I can tell you who,

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<v Speaker 2>apart from the gunman, is the other person who is

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<v Speaker 2>dead in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to that in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, five things that we need to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>to bring you fully up to date to know what

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<v Speaker 2>is what and what is just the speculation in and

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<v Speaker 2>around this incredibly bizarre day in global history and specifically

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<v Speaker 2>the history of the life of Donald John Trump. Number one, Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 2>the President is okay. He was taken to hospital, he

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<v Speaker 2>came out of hospital. He then flew home on his

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<v Speaker 2>private plane. He ended up in New Jersey. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>he wakes up this morning. The expectation was that he

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<v Speaker 2>only got to bed about five hours ago. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>checked over for obvious signs of physical consequences as to

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<v Speaker 2>what's happened. No doubt the trauma and having to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with that is going to be something that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to play out, hopefully not before our eyes, but clearly

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<v Speaker 2>something he's going to have to deal with. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to read again from what he wrote, not a spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote via truth Social, his preferred social media. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a little lengthy because that's the way he likes to write.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, the thing that's amazing about Trump is just

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<v Speaker 2>like we saw with the blood running down his face

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<v Speaker 2>that he was We saw what emotion he was feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no confusion, He wasn't trying to hide anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He stood up and said fight fight. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>thank the United States Secret Service and all of law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement for their rapid response on the shooting that just

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<v Speaker 2>took place in Butler in Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to extend my condolences to the family of the person

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<v Speaker 2>at the rally who was killed. Of course, the bullet

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<v Speaker 2>that was supposedly for Trump ended up killing somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>and did so instantly. Again, I've got a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>on that in a moment or two for you. Nothing

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<v Speaker 2>is known at this time about the shoots who is

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<v Speaker 2>now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced

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<v Speaker 2>the upper.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of my right ear.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew immediately that something was wrong that I heard

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<v Speaker 2>a whizzing sound and a couple of shots. I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>felt the bullet ripping through my skin. Much bleeding took place,

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<v Speaker 2>so I realized what had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless America.

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<v Speaker 3>I unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Number two normally in these events.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't talk about the person who is responsible,

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<v Speaker 2>but because we don't know all of the details behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's important to tell you here. Yes, the person

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<v Speaker 2>has been identified. Matthew Crooks is the gunman. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>is some reporting online, but I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to it until we learn more about it, about what

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<v Speaker 2>the political affiliations were or weren't. Again, it's only the

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<v Speaker 2>sun up right now where all of this took place.

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<v Speaker 2>So when we know more, if we know more in

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<v Speaker 2>this hour, i'll tell you. But here's the FBI telling

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<v Speaker 2>us what we would otherwise be knowing as we go

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>FBI have issued a statement confirming that's the alleged Trump

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<v Speaker 4>rally gunman. It's a twenty year old man called Thomas

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<v Speaker 4>Matthew Crooks. At that out in the last few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>How was the FBI able to try to work out

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<v Speaker 1>whom he was.

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<v Speaker 5>We do not currently have an identified motive, although our

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<v Speaker 5>investigators are working tirelessly to attempt to identify what that

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<v Speaker 5>motive was.

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<v Speaker 2>Third thing worth telling you here is that, as I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned before, a person who was at the event, they

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<v Speaker 2>have lost their life.

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<v Speaker 1>What did they do wrong nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>They of course, were just on the stage cheering on

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<v Speaker 2>the man who they would like to become the president,

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<v Speaker 2>like tens of thousands were today, hundreds of thousands have

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<v Speaker 2>done before, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course when it comes to the voting, millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Of have supported in twenty twenty twenty sixteen, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>see how many more presumably.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the president has apparently spent his waking hours quite

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about who this person is, and we do not

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<v Speaker 2>have a name about who is actually the person who

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<v Speaker 2>has died here.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the people who was.

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<v Speaker 2>There tending to the wounds but knowing that the wounds

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<v Speaker 2>were fatal, said this.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody over there was screaming, he's been shot.

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<v Speaker 6>He's been shot.

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<v Speaker 3>So I made my way over.

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<v Speaker 6>I said, I'm an emergency department physician.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me help you.

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<v Speaker 6>The guy has spun around, was jammed between the benches.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a.

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<v Speaker 6>Headshot here, there's lots of blood and he had brand

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<v Speaker 6>matter there. So I got him. There's a holdtopic coming

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<v Speaker 6>in together, So I got people there really helpful. I got,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the CIPR of bit chest impressions as well

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<v Speaker 6>as a brief one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, number four not as important as what took

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<v Speaker 2>place today, but it will be come The biggest story

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<v Speaker 2>is the day's roll on, which is questions here about

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<v Speaker 2>who knew what and when there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, when presidents have spoken in the past, like

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<v Speaker 2>Barack Obama the night he became the president in November

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<v Speaker 2>or was elected in November of two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>had a bulletproof screen in front of him. When Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden speaks at times outside, bulletproof screen is in front

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<v Speaker 2>of him.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has had it too, but of course.

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<v Speaker 2>As president, not as former president and potential future president.

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<v Speaker 1>Why we will all.

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<v Speaker 2>Find out inevitably in the next couple of days, because

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<v Speaker 2>we are being told that Republicans who have the chance

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<v Speaker 2>to ask people these questions will be doing so as

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<v Speaker 2>early as after the convention. The convention, of course, is

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<v Speaker 2>the big political event that takes place this week. The

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<v Speaker 2>oversight will continue to happen afterwards. You see, because the

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<v Speaker 2>president is a former president, he doesn't have the same

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<v Speaker 2>prediction protection as the current president. And ironically, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>until you officially become the candidate that you start to

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<v Speaker 2>get equal amounts of security to a current president, not

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<v Speaker 2>a former president. Dan bon Gino is a man who

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<v Speaker 2>you may well know, used to be on Fox News,

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<v Speaker 2>has his own show that's particularly.

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<v Speaker 1>Popular on places like Rumble.

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<v Speaker 2>He was part of the Secret Service that actually protected,

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<v Speaker 2>among others, President Obama. He believes that there is something

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<v Speaker 2>very serious here because there were all sorts of claims

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<v Speaker 2>that people saw a government on the roof before he

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<v Speaker 2>took the shot. Now, this could have been seconds or minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course that if we were talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>different story, could have been the whole point actively communicating

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<v Speaker 2>with the number of former colleagues of the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>about the assassination attempt. This is obviously a catastrophic failure

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<v Speaker 2>and no excuses should be made or even attempted. The

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<v Speaker 2>failures are profound and questions must be answered about ground surveillance,

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<v Speaker 2>air surveillance, post standard support, counter sniper advance work, and response.

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<v Speaker 1>We have one job.

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<v Speaker 2>We came within inches of a deeply failure today, and

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<v Speaker 2>an uneventful failure is not a success. As I say,

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<v Speaker 2>there is about to be an investigation here. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>can we not talk about the temperature of the debate

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<v Speaker 2>in United States politics? Now, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who use military style language as euphemism, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are people who, also in euphemism, have died things right

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<v Speaker 2>up to as loud as they possibly could. A perfect

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<v Speaker 2>example of that, I want to play you here is

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<v Speaker 2>the people who have said that Trump is such a

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<v Speaker 2>threat that must be stopped that even the President of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States said that there needed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>bullseye placed on Donald Trump. Now, obviously Joe Biden was

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<v Speaker 2>speaking metaphorically some lunatic, and this is what is always

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<v Speaker 2>the case. A lunatic with a gun has interpreted that

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<v Speaker 2>very differently. But this is what the Democrats have said

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<v Speaker 2>of recent weeks about Donald Trump. Imagine how this goes

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<v Speaker 2>into a sick head.

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<v Speaker 3>He represents a serious threat to the rule of law

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<v Speaker 3>in this country, and anyone with as to see you

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<v Speaker 3>can see that this.

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<v Speaker 7>Is not a normal election. Donald Trump is already demonstrated

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<v Speaker 7>that he's not a normal candidate. He's a fundamental, persistent,

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<v Speaker 7>and growing threats to our democracy, and Joe Biden is

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<v Speaker 7>running to make sure that we in that threat once

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<v Speaker 7>and for all.

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<v Speaker 8>I want there to be checks and balances to prevent

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<v Speaker 8>dictatorships at autocracies. That's what the founders wanted mister Trump

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<v Speaker 8>and his minions that are working for him this time.

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<v Speaker 8>They do not want that.

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<v Speaker 9>Biden has been running on Donald Trump as a threat

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<v Speaker 9>to democracy. He's a threat to our values. I agree

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<v Speaker 9>with him on that Donald Trump is a threat to

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<v Speaker 9>American democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is a great threat to our democracy.

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<v Speaker 6>It's important to remind ourselves and everybody else at democracy

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<v Speaker 6>is at stake in this election, and Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 6>a threat to democracy.

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<v Speaker 8>Given how he has undermined the election results.

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<v Speaker 7>He incited people to come to DC, stirred them up

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<v Speaker 7>that morning, and failed to call him off.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that threatens our democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>This sort of garbage, in the end means that lunatics

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<v Speaker 2>like this person from the TV show that Orange is

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<v Speaker 2>the New Black, is able to go on t TV

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<v Speaker 2>and say things.

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<v Speaker 8>On this.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, you now have the right.

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<v Speaker 1>To take that Trump out.

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<v Speaker 3>Take him out, Joe.

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<v Speaker 9>If he was Hitler and this was nineteen forty, you'd

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<v Speaker 9>take him out.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he is Hitler and this is nineteen forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Take him the out. Seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are groups that have campaigned against Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>who claim to be former Republicans, they have added to

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<v Speaker 2>the overall garbage that this bloke is Hitler. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>hint at it, they say it. Have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>an ad that's been running recently from them online.

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<v Speaker 1>Germany veteran in nineteen thirty three, will we he says,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to be in to carry I said

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<v Speaker 1>not other than day one.

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<v Speaker 2>And the media that says this over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over every hour of every day. Imagine the psycho getting

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<v Speaker 2>ready to try to do what they failed to do today.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank goodness, there is a reason that we and other

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<v Speaker 10>news organizations have generally stopped giving an unfiltered live platform

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<v Speaker 10>to remarks by former President Trump. There is a cost

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<v Speaker 10>to us as a news organization of knowingly broadcasting untrue things.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not in the audience.

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<v Speaker 7>We're not carrying his remarks live because, frankly, he says

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of things that are not true and sometimes

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<v Speaker 7>potentially dangerous, explicit.

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<v Speaker 10>About running as an authoritarian?

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<v Speaker 9>Why is he even allowed to run?

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<v Speaker 2>Thankfully, because a man turned his head. Well, for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>that much was the difference between us talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>we are tonight versus what we thankfully are not talking.

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<v Speaker 1>About tonight tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the man who should have been hosting tonight show

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<v Speaker 2>if the news was not what it is. His plan

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<v Speaker 2>is to be here for the rest of the week

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<v Speaker 2>while all of this continues to be discussed. Chris Kenny,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, will do so on his program tomorrow. James,

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<v Speaker 2>you wrote very eloquently today in the Daily Telegraph that

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<v Speaker 2>the Constant refined about threats to democracy, where we now

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<v Speaker 2>know that somebody who takes a shot, regardless of how

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<v Speaker 2>they identify or what they wrote on the internet, well

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<v Speaker 2>that's the threat to democracy.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, that is completely the threat to democracy. And that's

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<v Speaker 11>where we are right now. We are now in a

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<v Speaker 11>position where the United States, and we haven't been in

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<v Speaker 11>the United States this position for a long long time,

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<v Speaker 11>is seeing political violence directed at a potential and likely

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<v Speaker 11>actually next president of the United States. And what you

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<v Speaker 11>said there before, Paul, is absolutely correct. I've spent the

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<v Speaker 11>day going through what these people say on the left

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<v Speaker 11>and they have literally since Donald Trump came down that

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<v Speaker 11>escalator in the Trump Tower, been seeing exactly this, that

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<v Speaker 11>he is, this potential dictator in the making, that he is,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, a threat to democracy. Nancy Pelosi the other

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<v Speaker 11>day said this election is unlike any other. Everybody else says,

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<v Speaker 11>if he wins, that's the end. Of the American democracy.

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<v Speaker 11>That's the end of the American experiment. I mean, these

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<v Speaker 11>are all completely unhinged, insane things, and as well as

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<v Speaker 11>all of the sort of the violent language, you know.

0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.959
<v Speaker 11>I mean Kathy Griffin with the beheaded Donald Trump. You know,

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<v Speaker 11>Anthony Boordine, who everybody loves, is the nice guy chef,

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<v Speaker 11>he wanted to poison Donald Trump. I was going through

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<v Speaker 11>old quotes of people earlier, just before I came on

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<v Speaker 11>the show. This just sort of general rhetoric around Trump

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<v Speaker 11>is so overheated. But the thing that's really hypocritical about this, Paul, is,

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<v Speaker 11>you know, these are all the American elite. These are

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<v Speaker 11>all the rich people in America. These are the people

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<v Speaker 11>with the money who were out there, sophisticated people pumping

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<v Speaker 11>this poison into the American body politic to try and

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<v Speaker 11>scare people off voting for the guy they don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they.

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<v Speaker 11>Believed any of this, Paul, if they actually believed that

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<v Speaker 11>democracy was under threat, you know, with Trump ahead of

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<v Speaker 11>the Pauls and so on, why aren't they, you know,

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<v Speaker 11>coming to Australia and Canada and elsewhere, buying houses and

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<v Speaker 11>moving their money out and trying to get out of

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<v Speaker 11>the United States, if they thought this was really going

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<v Speaker 11>to be a dictatorship, you know, if it was really

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<v Speaker 11>like nineteen thirty is Germany, people who beg their bills

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<v Speaker 11>and they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm with you now, both James and Chris are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be around for the full hour. Chris, again,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw your thoughts this morning. But like me and

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<v Speaker 2>James and everyone else watching that swirl of stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>been in our head all day, and again you can

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<v Speaker 2>see right now on the screen a whole range of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are you all in, always in on Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of in on Trump, to never Trump is,

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<v Speaker 2>to Trump, skeptics, all the rest of it, but all

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<v Speaker 2>of it are absolutely united tonight, Chris, your thoughts at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of a wild day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks, Paul.

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<v Speaker 12>And we all know we're talking about millimeters from an assassination,

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<v Speaker 12>millimeters from Donald Trump being killed, and lord knows what

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<v Speaker 12>would be facing now. But let's remember, as you pointed out, Paul,

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<v Speaker 12>that someone turned up at that rally today, presumably someone

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<v Speaker 12>just wanting to be there to hear the ideas of

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<v Speaker 12>a candidate they support, and they're now dead. There has

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<v Speaker 12>been a fatality today, an innocent person dead for being

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<v Speaker 12>involved in the contest of ideas in democracy, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That is tragic.

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<v Speaker 12>Now, the point about this that you've both touched on,

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<v Speaker 12>the point I wanted to make is, of course there's

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<v Speaker 12>extremists on both sides. We know that there are nuts

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<v Speaker 12>in the Trump camp who have said and done the

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<v Speaker 12>wrong thing over the past four or five years. But

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<v Speaker 12>the difference is they are denounced and highlighted and prosecuted

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<v Speaker 12>and exposed in the media and political debate every day

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<v Speaker 12>saturation coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we have on the other side is.

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<v Speaker 12>This absolutely, absolutely extreme hatred from the left that is

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<v Speaker 12>not chastised by the media, that is not chastised by

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<v Speaker 12>the democratic political leadership. It's actually amplified and spread by

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<v Speaker 12>the media and the Democrats, so that you've got the

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<v Speaker 12>president of the country, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Biden, telling people that.

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<v Speaker 12>His opponent is a threat to the very existence of

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<v Speaker 12>his own country. This stuff is inflammatory, is divisive, and

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<v Speaker 12>it has consequences, and the media has to own up

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<v Speaker 12>to its share of the problem here, the US media,

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<v Speaker 12>but of course the media right across the world, because

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.200
<v Speaker 12>our leftist media.

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<v Speaker 1>Does the same thing.

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<v Speaker 12>They're not interested in policies, they're not interested in ideas.

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<v Speaker 12>They're not interested in the democratic choices of the American people.

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<v Speaker 12>They are just interested in portraying Donald Trump as some

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<v Speaker 12>sort of evil man that must be stopped no matter what,

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<v Speaker 12>which is ridiculous when you think about it. The guy

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.960
<v Speaker 12>became president because he was elected, and of course they're

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<v Speaker 12>trying to stop people having the chance to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>For him again. This time they're the ones who are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to.

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<v Speaker 12>Prevent democracy being exercised. And one last point before anybody forgets,

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<v Speaker 12>when Hillary Clinton lost in twenty sixteen, she said that

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<v Speaker 12>Donald Trump was an illegitimate president because she won the

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<v Speaker 12>popular vote, not the electoral college, and she called on

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<v Speaker 12>people to resist and there were violent protests around the

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<v Speaker 12>United States. So this is a terrible exercise of anti

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<v Speaker 12>democratic rehtoric and hatred from the American left especially, And

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<v Speaker 12>will they wake up to it?

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<v Speaker 1>They should, of course, but I fear not.

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<v Speaker 2>Analys Nielsen is in Milwaukee because this week was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>well is going to be the official crowning of Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump as the presidential nominee. People were going to tune

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<v Speaker 2>in any way, but imagine now if this first utterances

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<v Speaker 2>post this event are going to be on that stage

0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>there'll be multiple days for him to do that, apart

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<v Speaker 2>from his official speech, which of course comes towards the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the week. Analse, I've already seen some of

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<v Speaker 2>the online reportings saying, well, this person was a registered Republican,

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<v Speaker 2>as if that matters, as if somehow that changes what

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 2>we all saw with our own eyes, as if this

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<v Speaker 2>was some sort of a inside job. No, a crazy

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:15.119
<v Speaker 2>person tried to kill Donald Trump. And if millimeters millimeters

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 2>was difference, we would have been talking about the death

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<v Speaker 2>of a former US president.

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<v Speaker 13>Oh and I want to put that in context for

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.679
<v Speaker 13>people as well, because the system in Australia is different

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:28.760
<v Speaker 13>to the United States, who are quite right in saying

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<v Speaker 13>before that Pennsylvania is one of the most important states

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<v Speaker 13>for either party to win to become president. And this

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:38.160
<v Speaker 13>is pretty common for people who have the opposing political

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<v Speaker 13>view to register with the other party because what that

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 13>allows them to do is then vote in primaries to

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.720
<v Speaker 13>pick the other party's candidates. So you often see these

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 13>small groups get together to do that to try to

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<v Speaker 13>sway the nomination. And the other thing with that is

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<v Speaker 13>they get to go on and sometimes do media interviews

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<v Speaker 13>or post online and then say I'm a registered Republican,

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<v Speaker 13>but I can't stand Donald Trump. You don't have to

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.160
<v Speaker 13>vote for him either, So that has to be put

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<v Speaker 13>in context. And we're going to be pouring over this

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.480
<v Speaker 13>guy's life in the next few days to figure out

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:11.000
<v Speaker 13>exactly what prompted this. And this is interesting too, because

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 13>there's all this discussion about how long it took some

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.480
<v Speaker 13>people to call it an assassination. I think once we

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<v Speaker 13>got to the point where we realized a shot had

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 13>been fired at the president former president, although they do

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 13>retain their title in the US after you leave office,

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:27.040
<v Speaker 13>his store referred to as President Trump at a political rally,

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<v Speaker 13>it was what other options were there beyond reasonable doubt,

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<v Speaker 13>And we have seen some media outlets be very slow

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.960
<v Speaker 13>on that uptake, leaning on the more technical legal definitions

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 13>to get to that point. But most Americans watched last

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 13>night the attempted assassination of the most influential politician that

0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 13>we've had in this country in the last few decades,

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<v Speaker 13>and this is going to undoubtedly completely upend this election campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>So Annaly's obviously the great reveal of the Republican Convention

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 2>was going to be whom was to be Donald Trump's

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.280
<v Speaker 2>vice president. He has previously said that it wasn't about

0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:08.479
<v Speaker 2>somebody who could inherit the presidency because he wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to continue on.

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<v Speaker 1>But we got reminded today.

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<v Speaker 2>That there have been presidents in the past who don't

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>get to make that choice, and it's nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with what they knew was going to happen on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>It means that that decision is as consequential as ever,

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.639
<v Speaker 2>but we've been reminded of it. The expectations is that

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a bloke who's the governor of North Dakota, or Marco Rubio,

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>who years ago was Little Marco but now is from

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 2>the same state of Florida as Trump. But has there

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 2>been any thing that you've heard about Trump changing whom

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he may be choosing as his vice presidential pick based

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.679
<v Speaker 2>off the events of the past twenty four hours or

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 2>is it as silent as it was for the previous

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours before that.

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<v Speaker 13>Look, the reporting is that Donald Trump still hasn't actually

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 13>made up his mind, and that's very likely. Donald Trump

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 13>makes his own decisions. He does what he wants, and

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.359
<v Speaker 13>that's why a lot of the reporting around Project twenty

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 13>twenty five is way off base because as many If

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 13>people haven't heard of it, it's a right wing think

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 13>tank in Washington, DC's put together it's ideal blueprint. It's

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:18.919
<v Speaker 13>wishless for a Trump administration, and it's been seized on

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 13>by the left as saying, look at this horror that's

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 13>coming for us in a Trump administration. Trump does what

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 13>Trump does. You can put as many blueprints in front

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 13>of him as you like. He's going to make the

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.960
<v Speaker 13>calls he wants. And that's very much the sense we're

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 13>getting his vice presidential candidate pick. And I think for

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 13>a lot of people, they're going to be looking at

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 13>this and it's put into that kind of sharp focus

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 13>for my generation that's never seen anything like this before

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 13>that vice presidents can be forced to step up. This

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 13>is why there is a succession. And they'd be looking

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.239
<v Speaker 13>at Joe Biden saying how would he have done in

0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 13>that situation. I don't think we would have seen a

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 13>fist bump from him. He would have most likely had

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 13>to be carried off stage if the same thing happened

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.479
<v Speaker 13>to him, And they'd be looking at Kamla as more

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.679
<v Speaker 13>of a realistic actually going to have to step up

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 13>if they weren't already thinking that way already when we're

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:03.800
<v Speaker 13>talking about the vice presidential candidates. I still think Marko

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 13>Rubio is a tricky choice for them because he's from

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.879
<v Speaker 13>the same state of Florida, and there is the risk

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 13>that they open themselves up to a legal challenge to

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 13>allow the Democrats to challenge the electoral College votes Florida.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 13>Because of the US Constitution, that's the rule that you

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 13>can't have the Electoral College votes counted from the same state,

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 13>and that's been amended since the last challenge. But this

0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:28.439
<v Speaker 13>is a real issue. Why would you open yourself up

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 13>for that just to appeal to the Hispanic vote that's

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 13>overwhelmingly leaning towards Trump anyway in the states where it matters.

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 13>So I still think it's probably more likely a JD

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 13>events with Doug Bergham and Tim Scott's kind of fallen

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 13>by the wayside because he's too pro life. But we

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 13>don't know. We're still waiting for Trump to make up

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 13>his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Analyst Neilson, my goodness, the things you have seen in

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 2>the time that you have been there for Sky News.

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I am so grateful that you were the person who's

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.800
<v Speaker 2>doing the reporting from the United States it's in Milwaukee

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 2>and then back to Chicago where all a bunch of

0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>other crazy things are going to happen.

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Let alone where the by and sticks around.

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And obviously Trump's response, You're the best mate, Thank you

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 2>very much for the chat tonight. Kristen Tate is somebody

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>you often see with Chris on his program. She's the

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.719
<v Speaker 2>sky and his contributor. I'll get Chris to ask her

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:11.439
<v Speaker 2>a question in a second, because I am borrowing a

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 2>guest from his.

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Lineup from later in the week.

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.280
<v Speaker 2>But Kristin, nice to see you under the worst possible

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>circumstances we meet. But I've got to say I was

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>there's no other way for this. I was pissed at.

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>The way that Biden responded.

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.959
<v Speaker 2>Biden responded in his usual all over the place fashion,

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>but he did not speak with the gravity of the moment,

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 2>the seriousness of the moment. And that's because, of course,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the many things that the Democrats have done

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>to this point is that they've hated on Trump to

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 2>such a level that they've dehumanized him. That you could

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>see in their reaction to his potential death, they still

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 2>had a stump speech about uniting the country.

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 9>That's right, and most Americans are reacting in horror to

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 9>this incident, but I can't say that many are shocked.

0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 9>Nobody should be shocked by this assassination attamp because left

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.760
<v Speaker 9>wing leaders, including the President, have regularly told their constituents

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 9>that Trump and his supporters, by the way, are xenophobic,

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 9>white nationalist Nazis. I mean, Biden, Kamala Harris, the Obamas

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 9>regularly imply or straight out say that Trump is a racist,

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 9>as though it's a given fact. I mean, just on Monday,

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 9>Biden was telling his donors it was time to put

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 9>Trump in the bull's eye. And this kind of rhetoric,

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 9>it's divisive, it's deranged, and it leads to deranged or

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 9>even violent behavior. And let's not forget this. Left wing

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 9>violence has been on the rise since the day Trump

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 9>was inaugurated in twenty sixteen. On Inauguration Day, police indicted

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 9>more than two hundred rioters. The riots injured six cops

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 9>and caused millions of dollars in damage. In twenty twenty,

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 9>leftists burned down this country with impunity. They have been

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 9>escalating the violence by bit, and here we are today.

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:05.280
<v Speaker 9>There is a permissive culture of violence that has exploded

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:09.479
<v Speaker 9>on today's in today's left wing, and it is a

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 9>miracle that Donald Trump is alive today.

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 3>God bless him.

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 9>He came within an inch of death. So pray for

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 9>America today.

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 12>Pray for Americans, Kristin, Chris Kenny here. First thing I

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 12>got to say is thanks for your text this morning.

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 12>I wasn't watching TV, well, listening to the radio. You

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 12>let me know what had happened. I switched on the

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 12>sky and we're all over it here. It is shocking news.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 12>Just give us your brief assessment of what this tragic

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:38.680
<v Speaker 12>event does for the looming presidential race.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, of course everyone's on edge. I mean, this has

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 9>exposed so much, Chris, about our country, the hatred that

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 9>has been festering on particularly the left, and it has

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 9>made Americans terrified that this could happen again. So there's

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 9>definitely height and fear right now. Just in terms of politics,

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 9>of course, this helps Donald Trump's campaign tremendously. It will

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:12.120
<v Speaker 9>rally support around him, and it showed how strong Donald

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 9>Trump is. That guy is such a fighter to get

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 9>shot like that and then immediately put your fist up

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 9>in a show of strength and tell your supporters fight, fight, fight,

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 9>we saw a lion in that moment, and I think

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 9>it made people so proud of Donald Trump. So God,

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what to expect in the next few months.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 9>It will be an unprecedented few months in American politics.

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 9>People are very afraid, but Donald Trump showed he's not

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 9>just a showman. He is a fighter and he will

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 9>continue to fight for the American people. And by the way,

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 9>I just want to say, I find it disgusting that

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 9>President Biden and the Obamas are putting out these statements

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 9>saying we wish for a speedy recovery. Really, after years

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 9>of escalating this kind of violence, with the rhetoric about

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 9>Trump and his supporters being white supremacists and Nazis, those

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 9>people should be ashamed of themselves. But politically this certainly

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 9>does help Trump's campaign. As tragic as the events are

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 9>of the last twenty four hours.

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 1>No, it's well and truly part of the equation. We've

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>all thought.

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Again, it's been a day of such strange emotions. Thankfully

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>relief at the end of it, but of course the

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 2>political calculation is inevitably part of it. Kristin, thank you

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 2>for the quick chat tonight, but we'll see you of course,

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>with Chris again later in the week. I'm going to

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>take a quick break now, back with Chris and James

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>throughout the rest of the night, but Joe Hockey will

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>join us from New York City in a moment or

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>two time. Of course, he knows the.

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>President very well.

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I really want to get into what his reaction was

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>about that reaction from Trump where he just took to

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>his feet, fight, fight, fight. That is a set of

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>stones on a bloke at the worst moment of his life. Honessing,

0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Joe Hockey was the ambassador to the United States. He

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 2>was instrumental during the Trump administration. He obviously saw his

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>success because Australia was one of only a couple of

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 2>countries to receive a state visit. He was intimately involved

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>in all of that. He's had meetings in the Oval Office,

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 2>He's had private time on the golf course. He well

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and truly knows Donald Trump very well. He's part of

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 2>our coverage of the American election, specifically the conventions that

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>will start this week with the Republicans and then the

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Democrats a little later. And I'm pleased to say we

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>get the chance to talk for the first time this cycle.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Now but I'm sad it's on a day like this, Joe.

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>The reaction of Trump in the moment, I just can't.

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>It's an inelegant way to put it. But you know

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 2>me to be so at times. The balls this bloke

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 2>has that when he's been shot at, when he doesn't

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>know what's going on, but still stands up with blood

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>on his face and says, fight, fight, fight. This is

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a bloke who they've tried to bankrupt, jail and someone

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>tried to kill him, and that was his reaction. What

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>does that tell you about the bloke you know better

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>than all of us.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 14>It confirms what I know, Paul, that Donald Trump is

0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 14>a strong man. Look, I've spoken with him about this

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 14>sort of event possibly occurring.

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 3>When the first time I played golf.

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 14>With him, and you know, he pointed out all the

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 14>golf carts and all the security. He was amused by it,

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 14>and if you like all the security around him as president,

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 14>and you know, I think he thought that this was

0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 14>a very real risk for him. His reaction was, these

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 14>budders are not going to get me down, and they're

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 14>not going to get you down. And this is the

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 14>moment where we stand.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 3>Up, where we fight we fight for what we believe, so.

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 14>He, in a sense expected there would be an attempt.

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 14>I think every president and every presidential canidate does expect

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 14>it because the Secret Service come so all encompassing in

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 14>their lives.

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 3>It's just the reality.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 14>You hope that that one crazy person doesn't get a

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 14>fair shot, and in this instance that did.

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Does the system have the capacity to investigate what happened

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 2>today in a timely, methodical fashion that we will know

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 2>before the election. Obviously it's not a voting issue, but

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>clearly there are Republicans who want to find out if

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>it's true that people saw people and people weren't doing

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>enough the claims no doubt that you've heard too about

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the amount of protection that he had or was allowed

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 2>to have, etc.

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Etc.

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you think they're going to be able to investigate

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>this or the mere nature of frankly, the fire breathing

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Republicans that would be doing the investigating would mean that

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:59.320
<v Speaker 2>the normal resistance will come from those being investigated.

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 14>No, this will be thoroughly investigated. This goes to the

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 14>heart of the capability of the Secret Service and the

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 14>FBI and law enforcement agencies to protect a candidate for

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 14>the presidency. I mean, there will be people crawling all

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 14>over it. The question is what is the reaction. And

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 14>I think, you know, there will be transparency on this

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 14>because Donald Trump has a better than even chance of

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 14>being the next president of the United States, you know.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 14>I think what's most alarming is that it has been

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:42.759
<v Speaker 14>weaponized to some degree. I know from just observation that

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 14>the security detail around the President Trump as a candidate

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 14>is much less than around President Trump as the president,

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 14>but it's still he had a higher level of protection

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 14>than President Clinton. I mean President and Clinton has you know,

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:07.400
<v Speaker 14>three or four people at best around him with an

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 14>advanced party. So Donald Trump had, you know, a lot

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:15.919
<v Speaker 14>of security. This was obviously a major security breach and

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 14>I have no doubt that it'll be heavily scrutinized, and

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 14>I would expect that when we go to Milwaukee later

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 14>today for the Republican National Convention, security is going to

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 14>be overwhelming, overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 11>Joe Hockey, Joe Tomorrow here in Sydney. I just wanted

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 11>to ask about, you know, you know Donald Trump, and

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 11>you know his personality, and I think we all know

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 11>it by proxy through watching him on TV.

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:50.959
<v Speaker 1>This issue of security.

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<v Speaker 11>There's obviously going to be a big call for a

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 11>lot more security around him, and yet at the same time,

0:36:56.480 --> 0:37:01.720
<v Speaker 11>Trump really thrives on getting that contact with the crowd,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 11>getting energy off of the crowd. At all of these

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 11>sorts of things, how do you think they're going to

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 11>balance and where do you think Trump's instinct is going

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 11>to take him, you know, in this try to strike

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 11>this balance. I mean, I can't imagine he'd really want

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 11>to be speaking in a plexiglass box for example.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he won't.

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<v Speaker 14>And his next appearance will be at the Republican National Convention,

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:32.919
<v Speaker 14>which is you know, a very a very controlled atmosphere.

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 14>There'd be about five six thousand in the in the stadium.

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 14>And this will have an impact on Donald Trump.

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's be real about it.

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:52.160
<v Speaker 14>He has come within one inch of dime, and you know,

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 14>one hundred and thirty hundred and forty yards for a

0:37:54.840 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 14>shot is very close. It was, you know, a significant

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 14>security breach.

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 3>There's no argument about it.

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 14>And I think it's really important to recognize that.

0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>He's very human about these things.

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 14>He's going to think of himself as being blessed, He'll

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 14>think of himself as being lucky. But it will also

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 14>give him cause to reflect carefully on who his running

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 14>mate will be. To date, the focus of his attention

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 14>has been on a running mate who is loyal. He

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:38.560
<v Speaker 14>doesn't see didn't see Mike Pencer's being loyal to him,

0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 14>and he's overwhelmingly focused on having in the first place,

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 14>a deputy that's loyal to him and not going to

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 14>undermine him. But now with this reality, there's going to

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 14>be a greater focus on the running mates of both

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:59.319
<v Speaker 14>Joe Biden and Donald Trump, and there will be deep

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:03.359
<v Speaker 14>reflection by Donald Trump, because I'm sure he hasn't made

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 14>the final decision on who is going to announce as

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 14>his vice presidential candate later this week.

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm not going to play a psychologist on television.

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's completely correct what you just said

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 2>about an insight into him as a human being and

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>all of us. I mean, when something is profound as

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 2>something like this happens, you know, there are some people

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>who sort of become completely tranquil. There are others that

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>just maintain the rage or even find a new form

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 2>of it. We saw what happened in the initial moment,

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:32.919
<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens into the future. Has no doubt,

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 2>his kids, you know, his kids, his wife, people start

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 2>to tell him that, hey, that was close, and every

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.879
<v Speaker 2>day since he's crazy and it's going to be wild

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>to see last one here, Joe. And I'm not going

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to ask you who's going to win, but I do

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 2>want to ask you this question, which was so right

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>now on the national polls, Trump's up by two. Doesn't

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 2>really matter what the national poles say. It's all about

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>the swing states. He's winning in all the swing states

0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 2>that he needs to, including Pennsylvania closest gets his place

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 2>like Michigan. And even then it looks like, according to

0:40:02.400 --> 0:40:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Real Clear Politics is up by one point. There that

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.800
<v Speaker 2>said five point thirty eight. They run these little little

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>funny machines to work out the different cycles of what

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 2>could happen, and they say it's fifty one scenarios where

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Biden wins in forty nine percent forty nine scenarios where

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Trump wins. We saw that after the meltdown of Biden

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>at the debates, these numbers didn't fall by ten percent.

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.280
<v Speaker 2>And presumably the number of people who hate Donald Trump

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>don't automatically love him as a result of this. What

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>does it tell you about American politics, if a candidate

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:38.240
<v Speaker 2>is shot at and survives, yet nothing happens to their polls.

0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>About the wider politics.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, division America is deeply entrenched, and it's based on

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:50.760
<v Speaker 14>overwhelmingly policy differences rather than personalities. I mean, the danger

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 14>in Australia and elsewhere in the world is all you

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 14>see is, you know, the stark differences and the personalities

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 14>between the candidates, But what entrenches their support and the

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.239
<v Speaker 14>support of their parties are the policy differences. There are

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 14>deep policy divisions between the Democrats and the Republicans on

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 14>tax on tariffs, on immigration, on abortion, on gun ownership

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:23.880
<v Speaker 14>and gun law reform. There are deep divisions in international relations,

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 14>in manufacturing, in regulation, in climate change, and that's what

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 14>hardens the base. You know, what the base looks for

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 14>is a strong, powerful advocate for the policies that they want.

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 14>In various elections, it was hard, for example, in the

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 14>UK to tell a difference at the end between the

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 14>Tories and the Labor Party on you know, both wanted

0:41:49.719 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 14>to nationalize the railways for example. Well, that doesn't occur

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 14>in the US, and so when you look at the

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 14>deep policies, it means that the people are not going

0:41:59.920 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 14>to move in their votes.

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:02.959
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 14>The next step up is to look at the swing voters,

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 14>and unquestionably there is going to be movement from those

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:16.680
<v Speaker 14>swing voters, firstly over Joe Biden's cognitive health. And secondly,

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:21.839
<v Speaker 14>this will impact them because the defiance Trump showed will

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 14>be reflected with defiance in the electorate. But the third

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:30.720
<v Speaker 14>key factor in American politics is whether people are fired

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 14>up enough to go out to vote. And this is

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:38.879
<v Speaker 14>the key point to watch. You know, people the Democrats

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 14>were really worried that their voters were not going to

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.320
<v Speaker 14>go out to vote for Joe Biden after that debate.

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:50.959
<v Speaker 14>If Joe Biden loses just one in twelve votes from

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 14>twenty twenty, then not only does he lose the election

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 14>to Donald Trump, but they'll lose forty seats in the House.

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:02.399
<v Speaker 14>If Donald Trump simply gets the same vote that he

0:43:02.520 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 14>got in the last election, then he wins.

0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 3>The presidency under those circumstances. And this is the point.

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe Donald Trump Trump.

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 14>I don't believe Donald Trump has lost a single vote

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 14>from twenty twenty, and in fact, he will build it.

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.640
<v Speaker 14>He will build his vote from twenty twenty, which was

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 14>the second highest ever vote for a US presidential candidate.

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 14>I think now it's becoming clear that the same people

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 14>that turned out to vote for Joe Biden in twenty

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.320
<v Speaker 14>twenty are motivated this time.

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, some of them are literally trying to get him

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.879
<v Speaker 2>off the ticket. This is why we love talking to you,

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>not just your knowledge of inside baseball, but your capacity

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:47.759
<v Speaker 2>to explain it to simple folks like me.

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it.

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.799
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your inside I'm always glad that you're part

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>of the team. And we'll see you all week and

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 2>all campaign long here on scot News.

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Joe, Thanks very much, Bosh.

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Joe Hockey, of course, the former ambassad to the United States,

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.919
<v Speaker 2>former Treasurer and a very good man. Of course, Bondo

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Partners is what he does now with his relationships between

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Australia and the United States.

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, quick breakback with more.

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>We're hearing that there is about to be some communication

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 2>from Donald Trump.

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 1>If we haven't, we will do so straight after the break.

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:17.399
<v Speaker 1>But we continue with plenty to talk about, including.

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps the most amazing photo of the day. And you

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 2>think you've seen it all until you've seen this folk.

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, Donald Trump has just taken to truth social

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.919
<v Speaker 2>He has posted another message, this one after waking up

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey after spending a part of his time

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 2>in hospital post the shooting. Thank you to everyone for

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts and prayers yesterday. It was God alone who

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 2>prevented the unthinkable from happening. We will fear not but

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 2>remain resilient in our faith and defiance in the face

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 2>of wickedness.

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Our love goes out to the other.

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Victims and their families. We pray for the recovery of

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 2>those that have been wounded, and hold in our hearts

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the memory of a citizen who was horribly killed. In

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>this moment, it is more important than ever that we

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 2>stand united and show our true character as Americans, remaining

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>strong and determined and not allowing evil to win. I

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 2>truly love our country, and I love you all, and

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I look forward to speaking to our great nation this

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>week in Wisconsin.

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Donald J. Trump.

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, Chris Kenny and James Morrow. I'm so glad

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 2>you are the two guys that we've been sharing this

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.439
<v Speaker 2>hour with to try to get a head around what's

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>been happening.

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Have I missed anything so far? Chris? What's left to say?

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 12>Now I don't think you have Paul as, but there's

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 12>plenty left to say. Of course, you talked a bit

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 12>about the massive security failure. The one point I would

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 12>make is that those secret Service agents, of course, are

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.399
<v Speaker 12>desperate to protect Donald Trump. They put themselves in harm's way,

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 12>putting themselves around the former president in case there was

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 12>any more gunfire. So I hope we don't get too

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 12>many conspiracy theories. We're getting them from the right and

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.360
<v Speaker 12>the left out the moment. This was obviously a failure

0:45:58.719 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 12>not to have police on that rooftop that had direct

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 12>line of sight of the stage, and we'll wait for

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 12>all those repercussions to play out. The other point is

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 12>what Donald Trump reacted. You've spoken eloquently about that, so

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:12.320
<v Speaker 12>did Joe Hockey.

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.440
<v Speaker 1>But to me, that was all about leadership.

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 12>Here was a bloke who realized in the moment that

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.360
<v Speaker 12>he had to first show his enemies and his critics

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:22.919
<v Speaker 12>that he wasn't going to bow down, that he wasn't

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 12>going to be defeated, and he also had to show

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 12>his supporters and especially those people at the rally, that

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 12>he was okay and he was going to fight on.

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 12>So I thought that was very very important as well.

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 2>What wasn't that amazing too, James, When you actually look

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.400
<v Speaker 2>back at the footage as everyone has today, the people

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>in the front row don't move. I was hearing Innyviews

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 2>with those people saying no, no, until we knew he was okay,

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 2>we weren't going to move. They almost had the mentality

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Secret Service. That is a man who is

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 2>loved by his supporters, who has a movement, and we

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.760
<v Speaker 2>all know how that works. In the next little while, again,

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 2>anything you want to add before we finish up and

0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 2>hand over to the rest of the news tonight.

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 11>I just added a couple of things just on the

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.240
<v Speaker 11>politics of this. You know, a couple of things have happened.

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 11>I think that because in America it's not compulsory voting.

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 11>I think this has galvanized every single Republican and Trump

0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 11>voter to go out and vote, and go out and

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 11>vote for Donald Trump. I think that that is a

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 11>huge advantage of the Republicans have. I think Joe Biden,

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 11>I think any talk of him stepping down for Kamala

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 11>Harris isn't going to happen now because there the Kamala

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 11>Harris wants to be the nominee and go into this

0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 11>election that you will almost surely lose. Now the Democrats,

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 11>I think are toast and I think that, you know,

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 11>just in terms of the broader politics here too, I

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 11>think that this incident has now taken away any sort

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 11>of social stigma around saying in the United States. I've

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 11>spoken to several people about this that you're a Trump supporter.

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:48.920
<v Speaker 11>I think that this is a huge boost of morale

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 11>for Trump people, and it's a huge blow to the

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:55.240
<v Speaker 11>Trump hating commercial media networks in the US, the CNN,

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 11>the NBCs, all the others you know, who have just

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.520
<v Speaker 11>covered themselves in the opposite of glory today.

0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's been amazing to watch them again, you know,

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the adjectives they choose not to use, the pause with

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 2>which they got to the absurdity of Senn referring to

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it as a fall, and even even on some of

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:17.360
<v Speaker 2>these sites still it's Donald Trump says his view was

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 2>come on now. This photo, by the way, which is

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>up right now front page of the New York Times,

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it challenges the photo that I said at the start

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>was going to be the image. But have a look

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.360
<v Speaker 2>at that. You can actually see the image of the

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 2>bullet that has passed his year. That along with the

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 2>image that we started the program with, if we can

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.040
<v Speaker 2>show that again, they become the defining ones of an

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:36.719
<v Speaker 2>incredible day.

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, lads, I appreciate it. One last week poll

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of you in your glory.

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, happy birthday, big fellow.

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 11>Great to have you back for your happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>To night. Thank you your beautiful boys. I appreciate it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to being with the family for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the week. But if the news dictates will

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<v Speaker 2>be of course we'll be back. James will be in

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<v Speaker 2>the chair between now and then. Thank you lads, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris tomorrow at five pm. What a day, what a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy day, and I'm so pleased we've been able to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it here tonight. The latest news is next

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sky News.